Turkish Airplane hijacked.......

[mdpm99]

MSNBC NEWS SERVICES

ANKARA, Turkey, March 28 Å\ A Turkish Airlines flight carrying 203 people from Istanbul to Ankara was hijacked Friday and flown to Athens, Greece, TurkeyÅfs transportation minister said. The plane was hijacked after takeoff from Istanbul, private NTV television reported.

[dVine]

Turkey is right above Iraq and, by allowing US military units to be stationed there, is essentially selling out Iraq and their allies. I predict Turkey will not allow the US access after this.

[daniel]

hahaha @ a NATO country "selling out" Iraq.

you don't know what you're talking about wegro.

i know the plane has landed, but has anything else happened?

[dVine]

Originally posted by daniel:
hahaha @ a NATO country "selling out" Iraq.

you don't know what you're talking about wegro.

i know the plane has landed, but has anything else happened? D, this isn't the kuo and i'm not the wegro.

Despite being part of NATO, the majority of Turkish citizens possess anti-American sentiment. The country has profitted a great deal via debt programs and foreign investment from their involvement with the US.

Iraq and Turkey are tied in many ways through religion and culture. The ties that bind muslims are much stronger than any contract their leaders may have entered into with the West.

But I guess you knew that, right?

[daniel]

everyone knows that.

if they have such a problem with allowing fellow NATO members to utilize their country in fear of backlash from the muslim world, they shouldn't have joined.

[dVine]

Originally posted by daniel:
everyone knows that.

if they have such a problem with allowing fellow NATO members to utilize their country in fear of backlash from the muslim world, they shouldn't have joined. "allowing fellow NATO members to utilize their country" should not necessarily equal participation in an illegal 'pre-emptive' strike against a neighbouring country that refuses to privatise thier chief industry of export.

[djklas]

Originally posted by dVine:
Turkey is right above Iraq and, by allowing US military units to be stationed there, is essentially selling out Iraq and their allies. I predict Turkey will not allow the US access after this. I thought that they denied us to be stationed in Turkey only to use thy're airspace.

[dVine]

Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dVine:
Turkey is right above Iraq and, by allowing US military units to be stationed there, is essentially selling out Iraq and their allies. I predict Turkey will not allow the US access after this. I thought that they denied us to be stationed in Turkey only to use thy're airspace. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not up to date with what they're trying to pass through parliament, but you could be right. Last I heard, they were worried about being excluded on the $8.5 billion dollar loan package approved by US congress.

[dVine]

As an aside, Turkey is a very interesting country, being at the crossroads between Europe and Asia. The working class culturally trend more towards the middle-east, while the ruling class lean more towards the west.

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by dVine:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:
hahaha @ a NATO country "selling out" Iraq.

you don't know what you're talking about wegro.

i know the plane has landed, but has anything else happened? D, this isn't the kuo and i'm not the wegro.

Despite being part of NATO, the majority of Turkish citizens possess anti-American sentiment. The country has profitted a great deal via debt programs and foreign investment from their involvement with the US.

Iraq and Turkey are tied in many ways through religion and culture. The ties that bind muslims are much stronger than any contract their leaders may have entered into with the West.

But I guess you knew that, right? </font>[/QUOTE]Repression in Turkey exposes NATO "humanitarianism"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/apr1999/koso-a11.shtml

U$ and Turkey
http://www.state.gov/p/9619.htm
On 18 February 1952 Turkey became a member of NATO. Turkey was not only compelled by her anxieties emanating from Soviet claims concerning her territorial integrity and sovereignty, but also by her strong belief in the common values of the Alliance. By deciding to join NATO, the Turkish nation anchored its destiny in the West. This was not a choice without hardships and sacrifices. In fact, Turkey has always been ready to exert uncompromising efforts to shoulder her responsibilities. Furthermore, Turkey's membership of NATO also constituted a reconfirmation of Turkey's Western orientation. Turkey, with the second largest armed forces in the Alliance, has played a crucial role in the defence of the West even in the most delicate moments. Her will and determination for a brighter future and her courage to stand for our jointly cherished values always constituted a solid example for people aspiring to be free. Ever since its foundation in 1923, the Republic of Turkey pursued a foreign policy based on Atatürk’s simple, yet powerful, principle of "Peace at home, peace in the world."
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/grupa/percept/IV-1/demirel.htm

[daniel]

so, dvine, in your selective knowledge of current events, do you still think turkey is selling out iraq?

[gabriel]

turkey didn't really allow the usa to have the prescense they wanted. that's why the united states tried to buy them out...but failed.

the longer the war goes, the more the usa is going to try and pin it on turkey for not letting them also attack from the north.

95% of turkish public is against war in iraq.

[dVine]

Its not selective knowledge. I would rather focus on the greater picture, like the US aid package given, literally, in exchange for land and/or air rights. Whether they are indeed air and/or land rights is trivial in context of the greater issue at hand. Further, the U.S. has been using Turkey for several decades in this respect.

Turkey is just your average 2nd world nation being used as a pawn by the US. If the US didn't see its geopolitical advantage, you wouldn't even have heard of its existence. It's not an 'ally' of anyone except the US, and therefore I view its role in NATO as non-committal.

[mdpm99]

to: Divine and Daniel

Will this help?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2709659.stm

d

[dVine]

When I said Turkey was selling out Iraq Daniel, I was viewing it from the people's perspective.

If you looked at it from an administrative perspective, then yes, it is laughable.

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by dVine:
Turkey is just your average 2nd world nation being used as a pawn by the US.i was looking for the words to say this. Turkey is a key whore nation/govt in a lot of ways going by just the intro page for the link below.

"98% of the Turkish population is Moslem. However, everyone in Turkey has freedom of religion and belief. No one can be forced to participate in religious ceremonies or rites against their will and no blame can be attached to anyone because of their beliefs."

looks like they need Jesus

Turkey in the spotlight
http://www.turkey.org/intro.html

you can only serve one massah?
http://www.turkishembassy.org/governmentpolitics/index.htm

[dVine]

f0reverneverm0re:

Being of Greek descent, I could easily have added a lot more to this thread in that vein, however am willing to put aside my own personal feelings and let bygones be bygones.

That's pretty hard, especially considering my entire family was living in Istanbul when this http://w4u.eexi.gr/~ippotis/septemen.html happened.

[daniel]

"Turkey is a key whore nation"

hahahahahaha, i know that's prolly a typo, but it reads really funny.

[dVine]

that is definitely not a typo.

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by dVine:
f0reverneverm0re:

Being of Greek descent, I could easily have added a lot more to this thread in that vein, however am willing to put aside my own personal feelings and let bygones be bygones.

That's pretty hard, especially considering my entire family was living in Istanbul when this http://w4u.eexi.gr/~ippotis/septemen.html happened. i hate the "light and fluffy" baklava; i like my baklava dense and stuff.

as for a whore nation, with friends like the US, who needs enemies

[ March 28, 2003, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: f0reverneverm0re ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dVine:
f0reverneverm0re:

Being of Greek descent, I could easily have added a lot more to this thread in that vein, however am willing to put aside my own personal feelings and let bygones be bygones.

That's pretty hard, especially considering my entire family was living in Istanbul when this http://w4u.eexi.gr/~ippotis/septemen.html happened. i hate the "light and fluffy" baklava; i like my baklava dense and stuff.

as for a whore nation, with friends like the US, who needs enemies </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings f0reverneverm0re:


"with friends like the US, who needs enemies"

-f0reverneverm0re:

graemlins/rofl.gif

d

Ps.

Bu$h's "Operation, Piss off the Planet"

[ March 29, 2003, 06:12 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

http://www.fr4g.co.uk/fun/build_a_plane.jpg

[mblack]

Its a funny thread, everyone assume they know whats happening and so do I. Im sure that the US is using Turkey under the surface but as far as media is concerned Turkey is not helping the coalition .
Good politics is making sure that a lie seems real and i guess turkey progressed and is playing the game very well(not pissing off the muslim world while doing exactly what we want them to do.)

[gabriel]

yeah so what happened with the plane?

[mblack]

we are trying to find reasons for why it happend but your right , what did happen to the plane? graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Kenrick _]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
yeah so what happened with the plane? yeah????

[mdpm99]

All is well re plane....hijacker surrendered and everyone is safe. This is what I last heard.


http://www.fr4g.co.uk/fun/build_a_plane.jpg

d

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by mblack:
Its a funny thread, everyone assume they know whats happening and so do I. Im sure that the US is using Turkey under the surface but as far as media is concerned Turkey is not helping the coalition .
Good politics is making sure that a lie seems real and i guess turkey progressed and is playing the game very well(not pissing off the muslim world while doing exactly what we want them to do.) good points, and consider if you want to gabrielloveshouse's comments:

turkey didn't really allow the usa to have the prescense they wanted. that's why the united states tried to buy them out...but failed.

the longer the war goes, the more the usa is going to try and pin it on turkey for not letting them also attack from the north.on the 1st part, i should start saying "the leaders/controllers of" whatever nation/society rather than the nation (just like when i say white (person), sometimes i mean "white"(social, cultural, whatever)..) cuz it seems like "the people" are always the last to know shit. how many Turkish citizens or ex-pats know what members of govt are *truly* up to?

as for the 2nd part, i don't know why Turkish parliament would do what they did but they did it--now, since the "US controllers" are acting irresponsibly and undiplomatically, "Turkish controllers" seem to be saying fvck it too, and as a nation they have that right/freedom.

that money the U$ has been trying to offer "Turkish controllers"--any info on that? is Turkey to become another "Israel"?...i don't know

[mblack]

Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mblack:
Its a funny thread, everyone assume they know whats happening and so do I. Im sure that the US is using Turkey under the surface but as far as media is concerned Turkey is not helping the coalition .
Good politics is making sure that a lie seems real and i guess turkey progressed and is playing the game very well(not pissing off the muslim world while doing exactly what we want them to do.) good points, and consider if you want to gabrielloveshouse's comments:

turkey didn't really allow the usa to have the prescense they wanted. that's why the united states tried to buy them out...but failed.

the longer the war goes, the more the usa is going to try and pin it on turkey for not letting them also attack from the north.on the 1st part, i should start saying "the leaders/controllers of" whatever nation/society rather than the nation (just like when i say white (person), sometimes i mean "white"(social, cultural, whatever)..) cuz it seems like "the people" are always the last to know shit. how many Turkish citizens or ex-pats know what members of govt are *truly* up to?

as for the 2nd part, i don't know why Turkish parliament would do what they did but they did it--now, since the "US controllers" are acting irresponsibly and undiplomatically, "Turkish controllers" seem to be saying fvck it too, and as a nation they have that right/freedom.

that money the U$ has been trying to offer "Turkish controllers"--any info on that? is Turkey to become another "Israel"?...i don't know </font>[/QUOTE]Hmm, I don’t think that turkey would be another "Israel"; they're not under threat.

The us money G is talking about is 8.5Billion in loans and I don’t think Turkeys position would change that (although propaganda lovers would dispute that... graemlins/cool_shades.gif )

[ March 30, 2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: mblack ]

[mblack]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
All is well re plane....hijacker surrendered and everyone is safe. This is what I last heard.


http://www.fr4g.co.uk/fun/build_a_plane.jpg

d Do we know what he wanted?

like the plane idea....bzzzz

[ March 30, 2003, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: mblack ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by mblack:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
All is well re plane....hijacker surrendered and everyone is safe. This is what I last heard.


http://www.fr4g.co.uk/fun/build_a_plane.jpg

d Do we know what he wanted?

like the plane idea....bzzzz </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings mblack:

It's "fly," ain't it?

:D

d

Ps. hijacker said he had family probs, according to the media.

[ March 30, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]