Power Amp

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Any recommendations on power amps? I'm looking to pick up a new amp and I'm shopping in the 2500 - 4000 watt power range. QSC, Crown, Carver, Pyle? I found a good deal on the pyle pt series amps...anyone ever use these?

[Jamie 3:26]

Stay away from Pyle.Pyle is short for Pile of Shit!!!

Your best bet is to stick with either Crown or QSC.

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Thanks Jamie. I noticed that Crown seems to be cheaper than QSC, but is the quality any cheaper. I've compared the two, spec for spec and they seem to be about the same, but I don't understand why Crown is usually about $100 cheaper than QSC if they're pretty much the same. Why is that? graemlins/conf44.gif

[richierich]

It doen't get any better than Crown!!!

[JMJ]

You really can't go wrong with Crown. QSC and Crest are good too.....JMJ

[CG63]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Stay away from Pyle.Pyle is short for Pile of Shit!!!

Your best bet is to stick with either Crown or QSC. graemlins/rofl.gif That is sooooo true about Pyle.

The top on my list is the Crest, Crown and QSC. I never had any problem with any of them besides blowing my speakers. LOL

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Thank you guys, for the responses. I think I'll go with the Crown.

[Mike Sarkus]

I agree Crest, Crown, and QSC all good poweramps.

[The Real Dragonfly Jones]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
I'm shopping in the 2500 - 4000 watt power range. If you're shopping for something that powerfull you'd better go with the Crown or QSC. They are quality and come with great warranties. The QSC RMX series is pretty affordable. Crown has it's own line of budget amps too. Check online stores like PSSL.com

Mackie makes a decent amp too. I've only seen an Crest install once so I can't speak on those.

[mdpm99]

What's a Watt?

The quality of a real Watt is far more important than the quantity.

Also look for something with a 5 year guarantee.

d

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Thanks for the info, Excel. ;)

David,

How do I determine what's a good watt from a bad watt? What are your recommendations? graemlins/conf44.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
Thanks for the info, Excel. ;)

David,

How do I determine what's a good watt from a bad watt? What are your recommendations? graemlins/conf44.gif Greetings Albert D.:

By it's classifcation. A - B - etc. That is a start.

25 (real) Class A watts (I believe) is the equilivent to 450 Class B watts.

Amplifier should also be as modular as possible, therefore having the ability to "update" when necessary.

An amplifier is like a fork. They have tried 5 prongs, and 3 prongs and settled for 4 prongs which works. There is no mystery in what one does obtain the best results.

Don't be fooled. IMHO most audio people should be jailed for fraud.

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[Dj Pat]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
Any recommendations on power amps? I'm looking to pick up a new amp and I'm shopping in the 2500 - 4000 watt power range. QSC, Crown, Carver, Pyle? I found a good deal on the pyle pt series amps...anyone ever use these? Well, for one, is this for a club or your personal studio?
If it's for a club, you mite want to invest in crown and qsc's power amp's.
Crown's can take a punsihment on base and mid's out-put's.
They have good sound quality with base because low end speaker's pull's a lot of wattage from amp's and crown's are known for the hotter the amp's get, the harder they pound!
Qsc's is used mostley for mid-high's and high's.
They can take a beating on base, but there known to clip.
Carver's are made for Home, surround sound system's.
There cute, but when it get's hot or over heated you hear ton's of white noise and sometime's you hear the fan motor going in your sound.
People do use them in club's, but for monitor amp's for the dj.
Pyle, well...there old line was the best!!!!
That's all i can say about that, lol".
Respect.
Dj Pat

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Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Thanks for the info, Excel. ;)

David,

How do I determine what's a good watt from a bad watt? What are your recommendations? graemlins/conf44.gif Greetings Albert D.:

By it's classifcation. A - B - etc. That is a start.

25 (real) Class A watts (I believe) is the equilivent to 450 Class B watts.

Amplifier should also be as modular as possible, therefore having the ability to "update" when necessary.

An amplifier is like a fork. They have tried 5 prongs, and 3 prongs and settled for 4 prongs which works. There is no mystery in what one does obtain the best results.

Don't be fooled. IMHO most audio people should be jailed for fraud.

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d </font>[/QUOTE]David,

All I can say is thank you. Thanks for helping me out with that, it makes more sense to me now. I definitely agree with you about the audio people being jailed.

take care,

AD ;)

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Originally posted by Blue:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Any recommendations on power amps? I'm looking to pick up a new amp and I'm shopping in the 2500 - 4000 watt power range. QSC, Crown, Carver, Pyle? I found a good deal on the pyle pt series amps...anyone ever use these? Well, for one, is this for a club or your personal studio?
If it's for a club, you mite want to invest in crown and qsc's power amp's.
Crown's can take a punsihment on base and mid's out-put's.
They have good sound quality with base because low end speaker's pull's a lot of wattage from amp's and crown's are known for the hotter the amp's get, the harder they pound!
Qsc's is used mostley for mid-high's and high's.
They can take a beating on base, but there known to clip.
Carver's are made for Home, surround sound system's.
There cute, but when it get's hot or over heated you hear ton's of white noise and sometime's you hear the fan motor going in your sound.
People do use them in club's, but for monitor amp's for the dj.
Pyle, well...there old line was the best!!!!
That's all i can say about that, lol".
Respect.
Dj Pat </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, Blue. I've always leaned more towards the Crown amps since I noticed that "Does Your Mama Know?" uses them and I think they're sound system is excellent. It's actually for a group of friends, including myself. We plan to all pitch in for it, so it's an investment that we want to be very careful with. Once again, thanks for the info.

[mdpm99]

The only difference between any system is its efficiency nor lack of efficiency.

To this day I do not understand why we continue to go down the same path to hell by believing that there should be a difference (basics) between a system at home or in a club other than one is a larger system.

The color Blue is still Blue no matter how big or small of a space it covers.

Think about what I am saying.

d

[Jolyon]

David - are you using Linn for the London party next week?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
David - are you using Linn for the London party next week? Greetings Jolyon:

Good question and thank you for asking.

Linn is of very high quality and I do like their product.

Having said that I would like to add that from a practical point of view it is extremely difficult to navigate the TTables (in normal mode of course) as they are not direct drive. This is important when using moving coil. Also the tone arm has to be handled totally manually. You cannot even use the "tone arm lift." We are talking about 1.8 grams here.

Also the suspension is such that even breathing near the TTable can be a problem. (slight exaggeration but u get what I am saying).

So I have had to drift away from using their equipment -- because of the TTable physical sensitivity via total manual control.

We are trying to come up with another formula so that at the end of the day we will use my Koetsu's with my ML-1 pre-amp.....giving us a "class A front end."

If it gets down to using just the Linn MAGNETIC cartridge only and a class b front end....then I promise u that the sound will be a least honest, clean, and therefore musical.

d

[ May 29, 2003, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

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David,

Go to sleep!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleeping10.gif You've been up all night for Pete's sake! ;)

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
David,

Go to sleep!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleeping10.gif You've been up all night for Pete's sake! ;) FYI:

I went to sleep since the last time I posted. However I do sleep usually in 3 to 4 hour shifts.
Sleeping is not one of my best abilities. Besides life is to short and there is much to do.

graemlins/sleep2.gif

OPPS! Forgot to mention that because there is a time difference with our friends on the "other side" .....and I will be visiting there soon. So I also receive a lot of calls anyway around this time.

Between you and Joloyn we are talking about a 9 hour spread......

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d

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I know what you mean about having bad sleeping habits. I usually sleep in 3-5 hour spurts and I try to get a nap whenever I can. Are you coming out here to the LA area?

[Dj Pat]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
David - are you using Linn for the London party next week? Greetings Jolyon:

Good question and thank you for asking.

Linn is of very high quality and I do like their product.

Having said that I would like to add that from a practical point of view it is extremely difficult to navigate the TTables (in normal mode of course) as they are not direct drive. This is important when using moving coil. Also the tone arm has to be handled totally manually. You cannot even use the "tone arm lift." We are talking about 1.8 grams here.

Also the suspension is such that even breathing near the TTable can be a problem. (slight exaggeration but u get what I am saying).

So I have had to drift away from using their equipment -- because of the TTable physical sensitivity via total manual control.

We are trying to come up with another formula so that at the end of the day we will use my Koetsu's with my ML-1 pre-amp.....giving us a "class A front end."

If it gets down to using just the Linn MAGNETIC cartridge only and a class b front end....then I promise u that the sound will be a least honest, clean, and therefore musical.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Tech Question:
Hey David, I have a carver amp here at home, but for some reason you hear the fan noise via your speaker's when it's on.
Im wondering, is there any type of filter that can cut this out or is there's something wronge with the amp itself?
Thank's Dave.
Dj Pat. graemlins/conf44.gif

[mdpm99]

Greetings DJ Pat:

It has always been a rule never to use a fan on an amplifier. Again we are tricked and deceived by the audio industry (for the most part).

Not sure of a remedy but try using a "blower" rather than a fan.

If an amplifier is worth its salt it usually has sufficient "heat sinks" on it.

If you have ac in the room....try to a least have the amp(s) fairly near the unit and by pass the fan(s). Be careful tho' as u must kept the "hot stove" (very bad for the spks in the first place)cool.

Also contact the co. as they "just might" have an answer.

The sound of fans also "cut out" hearing the musical info on the high end, providing that your system reaches that far in the first place.

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d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
I know what you mean about having bad sleeping habits. I usually sleep in 3-5 hour spurts and I try to get a nap whenever I can. Are you coming out here to the LA area? Albert D.:

I would like to......purrrrhaps one day soon.

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d

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
David - are you using Linn for the London party next week? Greetings Jolyon:

Good question and thank you for asking.

Linn is of very high quality and I do like their product.

Having said that I would like to add that from a practical point of view it is extremely difficult to navigate the TTables (in normal mode of course) as they are not direct drive. This is important when using moving coil. Also the tone arm has to be handled totally manually. You cannot even use the "tone arm lift." We are talking about 1.8 grams here.

Also the suspension is such that even breathing near the TTable can be a problem. (slight exaggeration but u get what I am saying).

So I have had to drift away from using their equipment -- because of the TTable physical sensitivity via total manual control.

We are trying to come up with another formula so that at the end of the day we will use my Koetsu's with my ML-1 pre-amp.....giving us a "class A front end."

If it gets down to using just the Linn MAGNETIC cartridge only and a class b front end....then I promise u that the sound will be a least honest, clean, and therefore musical.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Thank you.

I think you used the Linns at the last London party - a great sound.

[mdpm99]

http://www.stefanopasini.it/

d

Ps

Jolyon.....The room was also acoustically very good. This is always a main factor re the sound.
It is rule # one


PPs.

Albert...I slept twice since this am....now I am ready to graemlins/bolt.gif

[JuanMa]

I couldn't agree more with David about the need for efficiency in the sound system. Albert, you'll need less watts in your amps if your speakers are of high efficiency. That being said, look closely at the diff between the Class A rated watts and the Class B rating. Many of the top amps (McIntosh, Krell, etc) have low power ratings, yet blow other amps out of the water. Quality over quantity is imperative on this one.

Albert, you may want to check out Parasound amps. Very clean sound and you'll get a high performance/price ratio.

As David said, no difference should be made between a home setup vs. a club setup. The audio planning should be the same.

Peace,
Juan

You in LA?

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
http://www.stefanopasini.it/

Jolyon.....The room was also acoustically very good. This is always a main factor re the sound.
It is rule # one

You will like the Light I think...it's a very nice space.

[Prince HiFi]

Originally posted by JuanMa:

As David said, no difference should be made between a home setup vs. a club setup. The audio planning should be the same.

Peace,
Juan

Question... what would be the basics of the approach to assembling a hifi setup for party room play. Can a hifi system provide convincing disco bass thump for a modest room full of dancers? Do you use separate bass cabinets in addition to full range speakers?

I am presently doing a weekly party in a space with a very small P.A. system, about 200 watts into full range speakers - it has a bit of thump but lacks clarity. This week I am bringing my expensive (in 1984) Yamaha NS-1000M hifi speakers (80lbs each, 12" bass driver, berylium dome mid and tweets -nice) and Sansui 9090db amplifier (135 watts/ch top-of-the-line from Sansui 1977-79). I know it will be as loud as the small PA and much clearer, but what about that disco bass thump? Are subwoofers the answer?

Any insight or experience into using home hifi gear in party situations would be appreciated. Are there any websites out there on this approach? I may not have a hifi sytem like David's Loft system, but I am interested in working the same approach.

Prince HiFi

[Prince HiFi]

This week I am bringing my expensive (in 1984) Yamaha NS-1000M hifi speakers (80lbs each, 12" bass driver, berylium dome mid and tweets -nice) and Sansui 9090db amplifier (135 watts/ch top-of-the-line from Sansui 1977-79). I know it will be as loud as the small PA and much clearer, but what about that disco bass thump? [/QB]A followup... Hifi gear rocks! I brought my Yamaha NS-1000M speakers and classic Sansui 9090db amp to my 'Rhythm Method' Sunday niter (space rated for 150 people) and the sound was clear, powerful and downright amazing. All fequencies easily and smoothly represented with solid muscular bass from the 12" woofers (mad sub bass on Kerri's 'Trionisphere' LP) and stereo imaging of percussion and cymbals that you just don't get from most small PA setups. This will be my permanent small venue system.

I put this system together for not alot of money from second-hand classic hifi equipment that was top-of-the-line in it's era (1977 to 84). The benefits of the hifi approach to small venue sound are remarkable. Thanks to David Mancuso for the inspiration, I may yet add additional hifi speakers as illustrated in David's 'Loft Audio Papers' on his Loft web site www.theloftnyc.com (http://www.theloftnyc.com) . hail.gif