Fasting?

[Friday]

Does anyone know of a good website that talks about fasting and self detoxification? Also, if anyone has any suggestions that they have tried, would you mind sharing.

Looking for a safe route. Thanks smile.gif

[ May 13, 2003, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: girlfriday ]

[D J 1 3 8]

suggestion: stop eating. :D

[Friday]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
suggestion: stop eating. :D hence my edit ;)

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

When I did my detox, I drank 100% cranberry juice, chlorophyl & water(sp), Water of course, twice a day I drank lemon,cayenne pepper, maple syrup in water (like a tea). While doing all of this I replenished my body with raw fruits, veggies, multi-vitamins w/B12 & Ferrous Sulfate (Low Blood).

I started with the lemon-cayenne mixture for three days along with water and continued with the juices, fruits and veggies for another 4 days. That was the hardest thing to do in my life, But you would be surprised how much your skin clears up.

[djdeepc]

I fasted for 3 days right before the WMC and vitamin water and juice. There is a site, I think it is fasting.com but I am not sure. It cleans you up and you can feel the good effects that it has. I have been practicing yoga for 2 years and did it during my fast and it was great. It was very hard on the concentration at times but if you are doing it for spiritual reasons, I recommend it.

[(Im)poster]

Hey, gf! Fasting can be very dangerous if not done correctly. If you do a complete water fast (no food or juice) for several days, you also have to be careful once you break the fast and start eating again. There's a lot of conflicting information out there, so be careful. Some people also say you need to take enemas or colonics when you fast to prevent toxins in your intestines from entering your blood stream. Some people also have what is called a "cleansing crisis" which can cause things to get worse before they get better. The crisis can include skin breakouts, feel depressed or anxious, having headaches, fainting and other physical distress while toxins are being eliminated, and sometimes reabsorbed by the body. That effects of fasting will vary from person to person, of course.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
Does anyone know of a good website that talks about fasting and self detoxification? Also, if anyone has any suggestions that they have tried, would you mind sharing.

Looking for a safe route. Thanks smile.gif I only smoke weed on Sunday now.....JMJ graemlins/bolt.gif

[SPG]

Originally posted by (Im)poster:
Hey, gf! Fasting can be very dangerous if not done correctly. If you do a complete water fast (no food or juice) for several days, you also have to be careful once you break the fast and start eating again. There's a lot of conflicting information out there, so be careful. Some people also say you need to take enemas or colonics when you fast to prevent toxins in your intestines from entering your blood stream. Some people also have what is called a "cleansing crisis" which can cause things to get worse before they get better. The crisis can include skin breakouts, feel depressed or anxious, having headaches, fainting and other physical distress while toxins are being eliminated, and sometimes reabsorbed by the body. That effects of fasting will vary from person to person, of course. oops

[ May 13, 2003, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]

[SPG]

Originally posted by (Im)poster:
[qb] Hey, gf! Fasting can be very dangerous if not done correctly. If you do a complete water fast (no food or juice) for several days, you also have to be careful once you break the fast and start eating again. There's a lot of conflicting information out there, so be careful. Some people also say you need to take enemas or colonics when you fast to prevent toxins in your intestines from entering your blood stream. Some people also have what is called a "cleansing crisis" which can cause things to get worse before they get better. The crisis can include skin breakouts, feel depressed or anxious, having headaches, fainting and other physical distress while toxins are being eliminated, and sometimes reabsorbed by the body. That effects of fasting will vary from person to person, of course. Never tried fasting myself but have also heard it can have some bad side effects if not done correctly (as Imposter mentioned).

Why not ask a nutritionist or doctor.

Be careful and good luck!

SPG

[ultra]

Get this book girl..."Sacred Woman" by Queen Afua. That's all you need.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Good Luck. Come to think of it, My detox was ordered by an Herbalist- Doctor. So you should seek pro help first

[Hk]

Fasting and detox are two different things, please dont confuse the 2(well they are in my book)

For detox, 1 gallon or more a day will clean anyone out faster than you can imagine. Think! the body is roughly 85% water? M-jane is fat soluble so if you're a big girl (no offense), take the traditional stuff like golden seal tea, if not water will do fine (and save ya some cash).

Fasting, well, I wont go into this but I will say considering that Americans are the fatest on the planet, eating twice daily wont kill you, its a mental thing. Ask a Muslim, many know about fasting and we dont have to go to websites, its in our practice yearly, MANDATORY.

Hey! I was just trying to be helpful for once!.... graemlins/conf44.gif

[martin]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by girlfriday:
Does anyone know of a good website that talks about fasting and self detoxification? Also, if anyone has any suggestions that they have tried, would you mind sharing.

Looking for a safe route. Thanks smile.gif I only smoke weed on Sunday now.....JMJ graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Surely that can't be good for you. Everything in moderation, including moderation.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by girlfriday:
Does anyone know of a good website that talks about fasting and self detoxification? Also, if anyone has any suggestions that they have tried, would you mind sharing.

Looking for a safe route. Thanks smile.gif I only smoke weed on Sunday now.....JMJ graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Surely that can't be good for you. Everything in moderation, including moderation. </font>[/QUOTE]You may be right. I was limiting my weed consumption to Sunday, and only while I was golfing (One doob per nine). I shall seek a more healthy alternative. In moderation, of course.....JMJ biggrinangel.gif

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by ultra:
Get this book girl..."Sacred Woman" by Queen Afua. That's all you need. That's the book I was going to recommend, also visit her website you can order a fasting tea from her...

peace

[Friday]

Hi guys, I missed my own thread! :rolleyes:

Thank you for all the advice, I do think I will consult someone about this. I want to get healthy and not make myself more sick.

Just another question, since I seem to have the two intertwined, am I correct in saying that detoxifiying is the process of removing unwanted toxins in the body and can fasting do the same thing for you? Or are they two seperate things. Just went to fasting .com and it speaks of also detoxifiying the body.

thank you, thank you, thank you. smile.gif

[Friday]

Originally posted by ultra:
Get this book girl..."Sacred Woman" by Queen Afua. That's all you need. I have gone to her website, I will definitely investigate more into what she says. Thank you smile.gif

[Hk]

Here's your answer:

Yes it does the same thing but PERHAPS, you are looking at this solely on the surface.

Fasting is used to break the oral fetish, or at least provide some type of resistance to it.

[Koffy Brown]

Types of Detoxification Therapy

There are several types of therapies available for detoxification, and some are more intrusive or less natural than others. It is highly recommended that professional advice from qualified and experienced practitioners be obtained when selecting a particular program.

The major detoxification therapy categories are: fasting, specific diets, vitamin therapy, colon therapy, chelation therapy, and hyperthermia.

Detoxification therapies run the gamut from self-directed fasting to intravenously-administered synthetic drugs, and none should be undertaken without medical supervision.

Although there is limited research data available to prove that detoxification therapies work, proponents report lower blood pressure, reduction in blood fat levels, and better vitamin and mineral absorption as benefits.

While there is no doubt that processed food contains additives and preservatives, that drinking water is far from pure, and that air is contaminated, more scientific studies need to be performed to prove that a particular therapy can purify the body of these toxins.

Fasting

This is certainly the least expensive and easiest therapy to attempt, but it should always be preceded by a visit to a qualified health professional or nutritionist. Fasting is generally done for a limited, specific number of days.

All fasting regimens permit water to be consumed, for it is essential to prevent dehydration. Others allow juice as well, although purists consider this to be food.

The main rationale for fasting is that since far fewer toxins are taken in, the body is able to rid itself of those already present.

Diets

Proponents say that a strong immune system founded on a plant-based diet is the best defense against environmental toxins. As opposed to fasting, detoxification or detox diets as they are more commonly known, can be undertaken for extended periods of time.

Although there are many different types of detox diets, most are based on eating organic rather than processed foods, minimizing meats and maximizing fruits and vegetables, and drinking filtered water.

Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners also hold that certain foods, like radishes, turnips, soybeans, swiss chard, and vinegar, can actually counteract or neutralize toxins.

Vitamin Therapy

The use of antioxidants is generally recommended as an ongoing, daily regimen in people's lives, especially if they are in a compromised, or particularly unhealthy environment.

Some feel that certain vitamins, such as C and E, are antioxidant nutrients capable of neutralizing certain toxins called free radicals.

A free radica is a particular type of atom or group of atoms that can damage cells and impair a person's immunity system. While our bodies contain natural enzymes that work against these free radicals, some argue that vitamins C and E as well as the beta-carotene in vitamin A function as free-radical scavengers, thus neutralizing the toxins that harm our immune systems.

Colon Therapy

Colonics or cleansing the large intestine with purified water, herbs, or other cleansing agents, is sometimes combined with fasting to flush out toxins from the body.

A step beyond a simple enema, this procedure is performed by a trained therapist who introduces from 5-25 gal (19-941 l) of water, or other cleansing agents, directly into the rectum using a tube and nozzle.

This technique is supposed to remove toxic stool that remains in the folds of the intestine. If performed improperly or too frequently, it can be dangerous.

Chelation Therapy

The most common type of chelation therapy involves the use of a chemical agent that is recognized as being able to effectively treat heavy-metal poisoning (like lead or mercury).

The synthetic drug ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) is administered intravenously or orally and binds to heavy metals in the blood. The toxic metals are then flushed out naturally through the kidneys. Doctors also use natural chelating agents like zinc, garlic, vitamin C, and amino acids like cysteine.

Oral chelation, while less expensive and more convenient, has been reported to work considerably slower than the intravenous method. Chelation therapy has also been used to treat artherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries. It has been theorized that chelation removes calcium which is part of the plaque that coats arteries.

While some patients have reported remarkable results with this treatment, no reliable scientific data exists to support their statements. Research is also needed to confirm reports of success with treating heart and cancer patients with chelation therapy.

Hyperthermia

Also known as heat stress detoxification, this technique essentially uses a sauna or a steam bath to sweat out toxic chemicals from fat cells.

The various detoxification therapies all claim to be able to eliminate chemicals and pollutants from the body's systems, to alleviate the symptoms of this toxicity, and to help the patient return to good health.

[KragShot]

Well, I've done a cleanse through the "Cleanse Thyself" system by Arise and Shine. It's pretty decent, though grueling for true carnivore like myself. 10 weeks with only raw vegatables. Actually, it was for 8 weeks, steadily reducing the amount I ate until I fasted for two weeks, only taking in water, herbal supplements and psyllium husk/bentonite clay shakes.

It's amazing what comes out of your own body...okay, it's actually damn frightening. You'll lose weight (not a whole lot, but a substantial amount) and you'll feel lighter on the inside. However, there are some drawbacks. You will notice a substantial decrease in bodily energy (especially if you normally consume a lot of protein via meat...that was my biggest problem), and your endurance will drop for a time. As a martial artist, that worried me quite a bit. I was also preparing for a tournament at that time. Kittens don't hit hard, but my kitten could hit harder than me for awhile.
However, afterwards your body will process what it gets more efficiently. What helped me with the energy loss was practicing Qi Gung. I was able to take the energy I had and make it work to my advantage.

The hardest part of this for me was just being able to stay on the diet. Organically grown food is damn expensive. Our grocery bill nearly doubled during that time. Selling healthy food must be a racket....
Eating out is a pain as well. While you can get a salad at a restaurant if you hang out with your friends, don't trust their "organic" dressing. You'd best make your own and bring it with you.
And speaking of friends, make sure that during this, you find out which ones will be supportive of your decision and the ones who will tend to (though with no true malice) tease or roast you about this diet...once you do, I think that I don't have to tell you which group to limit your exposure to during the fast.

You can go to their website (www.cleansethyself.com) and get Dr. Richard Anderson's book (by the same name as the site) and it will break down exactly what you need to do.
However, if you decide to go their route, do not get their products from the site itself as there are many distributors/companies that sell their exact products at a discount.

Well, that's my two cents. I'm no expert on the subject, but I've related my experiences to you.
Good luck and be healthy.

BTW, after some deliberation, I chose not to become a vegetarian. While I could adopt the lifestyle, I decided that I didn't want to.
God made the vegatables in the garden as well as the meat in the pen (as in the pen where you hold the animals). I feel that the key is moderation and discipline. I no longer eat 6 meat pizzas and other similar abominations.

But, I'm not telling you what to do. Your body is your temple and you can and should worship as you choose. Whatever you decide, just be happy with it and damn the rest of the world.

KragShot

[ May 14, 2003, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: KragShot ]

[Friday]

Thanks guys for all of the advice and experiences. I will most definitely look further into this.

smile.gif

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
Thanks guys for all of the advice and experiences. I will most definitely look further into this.

smile.gif Don't want to get too personal but are your reasoning for fasting health or religious related or neither...know this may help you to choose an effective option...

good luck

[Friday]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by girlfriday:
Thanks guys for all of the advice and experiences. I will most definitely look further into this.

smile.gif Don't want to get too personal but are your reasoning for fasting health or religious related or neither...know this may help you to choose an effective option...

good luck </font>[/QUOTE]It is for health reasons, been sick too much of late. Need to learn how to take care of this body better ;) Thank you for all the information it will come in handy.