Do you DJ's spin for free.. Do you ask promoters...

[richierich]

to put you on the ticket,do they mostly ask you.. or do you just organize your own events that you spin at????

[Sensei Melei]

all of the above, except for the promoters mostly asking me. I say they sometimes ask me...

[imported_Chr_stopher]

I basically throw my own. I would do it for free depending on the situation.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
I basically throw my own. I would do it for free depending on the situation. DHP event???

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

I WOULD DO IT FOR FREE TO GET THE PROMOTION. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT IT'S CALLED PAYIN MY DUES TO GET THE STATUS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. smile.gif

[Martin Red]

Spin for free at Birthday parties etc for frinds. Apart from that I am asking:- how many do you expect ?, how much you charging in ? and work out any other over heads and whether it is 100% legal before agreeing anything. If it's new night you can bend the $ ammount perhaps, but don't feel bad about the promoter/owner losing $ - their misfortune and night, ask yourself, if the night was jammed would they sort you any extra ?. In the UK you can get a DJ for a pack of chips and a saveloy, 10 a penny. Also look at whether your needed and how badly. Look at the market. You get what you pay for in the end (if your wise)

Do it yourself, the best way to have some control of a night, gonna start one shortly called "Mass Construction". Of course, it can be a distraction from the music , but a good distraction.

[ June 10, 2003, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[DJ George Bates]

all the above.....paying dues !

[The Donger]

I say **** spinning for free if someone is making a buck off of your hard work.

It's an art but you gotta respect yourself and stop the shady mofos from ripping off the aspiring idiots.

[Nege]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
I say **** spinning for free if someone is making a buck off of your hard work.

It's an art but you gotta respect yourself and stop the shady mofos from ripping off the aspiring idiots. yes,agreed.
but i wouldn't call the aspiring DJS idiots.
I would only play for free at a charity event.

[ June 10, 2003, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Eneg ]

[SENSE MGMT]

Usually promoter's ask me. No I've never DJ'd at one of my own events...how self serving is that?

Usually promoter's ask me cus they know me as a promoter and think I'll promote my own show so they ALWAYS pay me.

Play for free? Hell no unless there is a reason. Why? Because I'd rather see someone who actually is passionate about DJing fill the spot and play for free rather than I. While I'm DJing I'm passionate about being in the moment, but in general I don't strive to be some well known DJ unless it's monetarily rewarding. I don't want to be known as that guy who's asked in an interview "Why did you get into DJing?" and my response would be "The feeling of being able to control the enrgy of a room...blah..blah..melodrama..blah"

Don't get mne wrong. I'm a great DJ and can work a room with more harder style of house and Techno. But my role, as I feel, is to push and market the old school artists which tend to be forgotten. There are too many aspiring DJs out there and if you wanna be respected as an artist you gotta do the whole climbing the ladder thing and it's just too late in the game right now. The only way you'll get a name is if you start producing great tracks and that has nothing to do with DJing. Then what I see happen is so many old schoolers become bitter because they've been around yet have nothing to market. DJing skills don't really determine what you get in $$$, It just determines if ya come back to play.

[Cleo Khary]

Originally posted by Sense Productions:
Usually promoter's ask me. No I've never DJ'd at one of my own events...how self serving is that?

Usually promoter's ask me cus they know me as a promoter and think I'll promote my own show so they ALWAYS pay me.

Play for free? Hell no unless there is a reason. Why? Because I'd rather see someone who actually is passionate about DJing fill the spot and play for free rather than I. While I'm DJing I'm passionate about being in the moment, but in general I don't strive to be some well known DJ unless it's monetarily rewarding. I don't want to be known as that guy who's asked in an interview "Why did you get into DJing?" and my response would be "The feeling of being able to control the enrgy of a room...blah..blah..melodrama..blah"

Don't get mne wrong. I'm a great DJ and can work a room with more harder style of house and Techno. But my role, as I feel, is to push and market the old school artists which tend to be forgotten. There are too many aspiring DJs out there and if you wanna be respected as an artist you gotta do the whole climbing the ladder thing and it's just too late in the game right now. The only way you'll get a name is if you start producing great tracks and that has nothing to do with DJing. Then what I see happen is so many old schoolers become bitter because they've been around yet have nothing to market. DJing skills don't really determine what you get in $$$, It just determines if ya come back to play. Interesting points... Do you really feel that it is too late to build a recognizable name for yourself if you are just starting out? Out of curiosity, how long does it take to build a "household" name for yourself and what are the steps?

Peace

[Cordell]

I've gone from spinnin for free for spinnin for cheap, I'm movin up.

[darrow]

I've played for free knowing upfront that the arrangement was that way (and simply wanting to get a gig early on) and I've also not taken payment a couple of times for various reasons (mainly to not break a promoter or resident who threw something and had a really bad turnout).

I've also had guest djs at my own gig and simply paid them and not taken payment for myself.

I figure at some point it will work itself out.

[ June 10, 2003, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: darrow ]

[AD]

I do everything. If it's for the right event or person then I will gladly do it for free.

[Elbert Phillips]

To each their own, no right or wrong way to approach this however, I feel it's insulting to ask someone to work for free (unless it's a friend). Why give away something that you can sell? Do you believe in what you do enough to expect payment for your services? Why not get something (monetary) in return for all the time and $$$ you spend at record stores? Think, you pay the record stores, the venue and the promoter (get paid off your talents-no dj no party right?) but you play yourself on some "love of the music/scene"- bullshit. If they like what you do, they should pay for it-nothing in this world is free.

[ June 10, 2003, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: EL ]

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

Originally posted by EL:
To each their own, no right or wrong way to approach this however, I feel it's insulting to ask someone to work for free (unless it's a friend). Why give away something that you can sell? Do you believe in what you do enough to expect payment for your services? Why not get something (monetary) in return for all the time and $$$ you spend at record stores? Think, you pay the record stores, the venue and the promoter (get paid off your talents-no dj no party right?) but you play yourself on some "love of the music/scene"- bullshit. If they like what you do, they should pay for it-nothing in this world is free. WHILE THIS STATEMENT IS TRUE TO SOME DEGREE, I MUST DISAGREE ON A FEW THINGS; 1. THERE IS NO ONE HERE THAT BELIEVES THAT HE OR SHE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAID FOR THEIR SERVICES. 2. ONE MUST (INCLUDING YOU) WORK, NETWORK AND GIVE OF HIM/HERSELF AT SOME POINT IN THE BEGINNING , HENCE THE TERM "SELF PROMOTION OF ONE'S SPINNING, PRODUCTION , OR OF PUBLIC PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET IN RETURN, COMPENPENSATION FOR ONE'S TALENTS, WHEN FIRST STARTING OUT. (REMEMBER, NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE). 3.WE AS DJ'S SPEND MONEY ON RECORDS AND EQUIPMENT TO HELP PERFECT ONE'S "CRAFT" WHICH IS BY CHOICE. THIS IS PART OF THE EQUATION OF HOW ONE OBTAINS STATUS TO BE RECOMMENDED, OR ASKED TO SPIN AT A VENUE THAT MAY INCLUDE PAYMENT FOR ONE'S SERVICES. (REMEMBER, IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO CHOOSE WHETHER TO DO IT FOR FREE OR NOT.) 4. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WILL ALWAYS OFFER COMPENSATION FOR SERVICES THAT I REQUEST, ESPECIALLY FROM FRIENDS. NOW IF THEY DECLINE MY PAYMENT TO THEM, "REMEMBER, IT'S THEIR CHOICE. THAT WAY, IN THEIR MINDS, "YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAID FOR THEIR SERVICES".

[Elbert Phillips]

Originally posted by DJ QUAD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL:
To each their own, no right or wrong way to approach this however, I feel it's insulting to ask someone to work for free (unless it's a friend). Why give away something that you can sell? Do you believe in what you do enough to expect payment for your services? Why not get something (monetary) in return for all the time and $$$ you spend at record stores? Think, you pay the record stores, the venue and the promoter (get paid off your talents-no dj no party right?) but you play yourself on some "love of the music/scene"- bullshit. If they like what you do, they should pay for it-nothing in this world is free. 2. ONE MUST (INCLUDING YOU) WORK, NETWORK AND GIVE OF HIM/HERSELF AT SOME POINT IN THE BEGINNING , HENCE THE TERM "SELF PROMOTION OF ONE'S SPINNING, PRODUCTION , OR OF PUBLIC PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET IN RETURN, COMPENPENSATION FOR ONE'S TALENTS, WHEN FIRST STARTING OUT. </font>[/QUOTE]Concerning my humble beginnings (which have probably just begun):
Do I network? yeah! Do I give a demo/cd away? hell yeah! Do I play for free for friends? maybe. Have I ever played free for unfamiliar acquaintences, i.e. promoters and or club owners (with or without a budget) NO. I guess it's all about what someone is willing to do for exposure whether starting out or whatever. Once again, to each their own method however, setting a limit to what I am willing to give of myself has been important to me-starting out and now.

[ June 11, 2003, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: EL ]

[Big Paul Y'all!!]

I organized my own events until I got hooked up with this upscale group of beautiful lesbian women I'm with now!! I'd never try to hook up with any of the "promoters" on the house-disco scene in chicago.They pretty much suck!! When it dies it's dead I'm not trying to be a star!! I know what I do and so do my supporters!!

[DJ CHRIS PURTELL]

oh paying dues..........yea i might have played a few places for free ......hahaha

[The Donger]

Check this thread for the real deal:

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=031050

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

Originally posted by EL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ QUAD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL:
To each their own, no right or wrong way to approach this however, I feel it's insulting to ask someone to work for free (unless it's a friend). Why give away something that you can sell? Do you believe in what you do enough to expect payment for your services? Why not get something (monetary) in return for all the time and $$$ you spend at record stores? Think, you pay the record stores, the venue and the promoter (get paid off your talents-no dj no party right?) but you play yourself on some "love of the music/scene"- bullshit. If they like what you do, they should pay for it-nothing in this world is free. 2. ONE MUST (INCLUDING YOU) WORK, NETWORK AND GIVE OF HIM/HERSELF AT SOME POINT IN THE BEGINNING , HENCE THE TERM "SELF PROMOTION OF ONE'S SPINNING, PRODUCTION , OR OF PUBLIC PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET IN RETURN, COMPENPENSATION FOR ONE'S TALENTS, WHEN FIRST STARTING OUT. </font>[/QUOTE]Concerning my humble beginnings (which have probably just begun):
Do I network? yeah! Do I give a demo/cd away? hell yeah! Do I play for free for friends? maybe. Have I ever played free for unfamiliar acquaintences, i.e. promoters and or club owners (with or without a budget) NO. I guess it's all about what someone is willing to do for exposure whether starting out or whatever. Once again, to each their own method however, setting a limit to what I am willing to give of myself has been important to me-starting out and now. </font>[/QUOTE]NOOWW YA' COOKIN' WITH GAS!!!! :D


"quite"

[Elbert Phillips]

Originally posted by DJ QUAD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ QUAD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL:
To each their own, no right or wrong way to approach this however, I feel it's insulting to ask someone to work for free (unless it's a friend). Why give away something that you can sell? Do you believe in what you do enough to expect payment for your services? Why not get something (monetary) in return for all the time and $$$ you spend at record stores? Think, you pay the record stores, the venue and the promoter (get paid off your talents-no dj no party right?) but you play yourself on some "love of the music/scene"- bullshit. If they like what you do, they should pay for it-nothing in this world is free. 2. ONE MUST (INCLUDING YOU) WORK, NETWORK AND GIVE OF HIM/HERSELF AT SOME POINT IN THE BEGINNING , HENCE THE TERM "SELF PROMOTION OF ONE'S SPINNING, PRODUCTION , OR OF PUBLIC PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET IN RETURN, COMPENPENSATION FOR ONE'S TALENTS, WHEN FIRST STARTING OUT. </font>[/QUOTE]Concerning my humble beginnings (which have probably just begun):
Do I network? yeah! Do I give a demo/cd away? hell yeah! Do I play for free for friends? maybe. Have I ever played free for unfamiliar acquaintences, i.e. promoters and or club owners (with or without a budget) NO. I guess it's all about what someone is willing to do for exposure whether starting out or whatever. Once again, to each their own method however, setting a limit to what I am willing to give of myself has been important to me-starting out and now. </font>[/QUOTE]NOOWW YA' COOKIN' WITH GAS!!!! :D


"quite" </font>[/QUOTE]My position has not changed from my first contribution.