Larry Levan & David Mancuso did not influence me!

[Drrtynewyork]

with all respect to the above mentioned djs.

During a lunch break with donger over some bland tuna sandwiches, DOnger menitoned how he was shocked at how a certain well known DJ discredited Levan & David as being his influence.

i was surprised at Dongers reaction. Do we all need to be influenced by these djs that no doubt were and still are great?

I for one never experienced the garage or the loft. SO i would be lying to say i was influenced by them. I do love the music they played. i instead grew up with David Morales, Louie vega, Disciple, etc.

So my questions are:

If you grew in the loft(70s/80's) and garage era
is it a crime to say you werent influenced by these 2 great djs? Should we be shocked at a great dj from that era not influenced by these djs?

If i love the music from that era, does that mean larry & david indirectly influence me even though i never heard them play?


discuss..

[richierich]

The guys you are listening to now were maybe in some form influenced by these guys so indirectly you are still being influenced by Larry and David

[MCarnet]

Think about how many DJs that they did influence, and then those DJs that influenced others and so on...down to you.

Just an idea...

[Leslie]

The question is who influenced the guys you looked to as influences - did Larry or David influence them? Then it would be indirect. But for you not to claim them as your influences is not wrong because techincally as you said you never heard them spin or attended one of their parties.

Sometimes I am still amazed at how male dominated this industry began and remains.

[MCarnet]

damn richie, ya beat me to it... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Drrtynewyork]

but is it a crime for a dj who grew up in that era and his huge now to say he WASNT influenced by them ?

[kayotv]

I never attended any club until about 1990. Still, I believe I was influenced by Larry & David in some way. All I ever did was listen to the radio. And, durning the 80's NY Black Radio Kiss,WBLS & WKTU played songs that came from one or both of these parties. It is my understanding that Frankie Crocker hung out at the garage and he was inspired by the music played there. Those songs made it into his playlist played on WBLS.

As for one jam that I absoluty loved as a kid was "Soul Makossa," that was a little kid dancer record well at least in Tuckahoe, NY. That was the record that even the little kids would jam out to during cook outs and what not.

I loved that song and I believe that it was broken at "the loft,"

thats just a couple, but I'm sure there are many more. And, if Larry was around I truly believe that he would be playing techy stuff and so on and so on...

peace
k!

[El Mayimbe]

Doug in one way or another you we were ALL influenced by the legends that came before. Because whether u noticed or not the ones who you would name were your influences went to these places and were in turned learning from Mancuso, Levan etc etc.

FOr example, i never went to the SOund Factory when Junior was playing there in the early 90's (steep friggin prices for entry) however i adore many songs that he dropped that time that has influenced the big name prog/tribal DJs/Producers of today.
We're all connected in one way or another even from the different genres of dance music such as Drum n Bass or when it was a craze, speed garage. ;)

[Leslie]

Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
but is it a crime for a dj who grew up in that era and his huge now to say he WASNT influenced by them ? A crime no, but perhaps a half-truth as you can't deny the effect they had on the scene and getting it noticed. But then again just because you grew up while those two were doing their thing doesn't mean you were old enough to experience what they were doing.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by Leslie:
The question is who influenced the guys you looked to as influences - did Larry or David influence them? Then it would be indirect. But for you not to claim them as your influences is not wrong because techincally as you said you never heard them spin or attended one of their parties.

Sometimes I am still amazed at how male dominated this industry began and remains. On point as always Leslie. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Gojay]

Originally posted by richierich:
The guys you are listening to now were maybe in some form influenced by these guys so indirectly you are still being influenced by Larry and David Ditto!

It was not until I logged to these(house music) message boards that I realised that a lot of the music that influenced me growing up was because of them-in some indirect way.


peace,
gojay

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Leslie:
The question is who influenced the guys you looked to as influences - did Larry or David influence them? Then it would be indirect. But for you not to claim them as your influences is not wrong because techincally as you said you never heard them spin or attended one of their parties.

Sometimes I am still amazed at how male dominated this industry began and remains. true leslie so me being influenced by morales and LLV would make me indirectly influenced.

but what about my other question! big djs now, grew up in that era yet they are not influenced by them, are they wrong?

NEVERMIND I READ YOUR ANSWER

[ September 24, 2003, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: DJ DOUG GOMEZ ]

[simon b]

If you were influenced by Morales, then you are definitely influenced by Mancuso and Levan cause he was influenced by them.

I heard Danny Tenaglia play a 20hr set this weekend at Stereo, he kept going on about how "this is my Paradise Garage." Morales says the same thing when he's at that club too.

In some form or another anybody doing this kind of music is influenced by them.

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by kayo:
I never attended any club until about 1990. Still, I believe I was influenced by Larry & David in some way. All I ever did was listen to the radio. And, durning the 80's NY Black Radio Kiss,WBLS & WKTU played songs that came from one or both of these parties. It is my understanding that Frankie Crocker hung out at the garage and he was inspired by the music played there. Those songs made it into his playlist played on WBLS.

As for one jam that I absoluty loved as a kid was "Soul Makossa," that was a little kid dancer record well at least in Tuckahoe, NY. That was the record that even the little kids would jam out to during cook outs and what not.

I loved that song and I believe that it was broken at "the loft,"

thats just a couple, but I'm sure there are many more. And, if Larry was around I truly believe that he would be playing techy stuff and so on and so on...

peace
k! true..i grew up listening to JOhn robinson on the radio and he was a major influence BIG TIME.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
The question is who influenced the guys you looked to as influences - did Larry or David influence them? Then it would be indirect. But for you not to claim them as your influences is not wrong because techincally as you said you never heard them spin or attended one of their parties.

Sometimes I am still amazed at how male dominated this industry began and remains. true leslie so me being influenced by morales and LLV would make me indirectly influenced.

but what about my other question! big djs now, grew up in that era yet they are not influenced by them, are they wrong?

NEVERMIND I READ YOUR ANSWER </font>[/QUOTE]Technically they might be wrong Doug - in the sense that both the two you mentioned pushed the business of playing records and throwing parties on considerably...maybe things would have been v. different without David and The Loft. LL is a legend who had a huge influence on a generation of DJs. Subconciously maybe we are all influenced by these two and a whole host of other people from the 70s and 80s (Frankie Knuckles, Tee Scott, Ron Hardy etc. etc.)

You all have to read Tim Lawrence's book Love Saves The Day when it comes out. It answers a lot of questions.

[ September 24, 2003, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Jolyon ]

[jimmymack-2000]

Following this logic, one would infer that we all speak fluent Aramaic and Koinic Greek, even though we've never heard them, because they influenced the language we today know as English...

Eventually, the source becomes so co-opted and mutated that it's no longer recognizable--it's now something else.

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Following this logic, one would infer that we all speak fluent Aramaic and Koinic Greek, even though we've never heard them, because they influenced the language we today know as English...

Eventually, the source becomes so co-opted and mutated that it's no longer recognizable--it's now something else. good point

[simon b]

Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Following this logic, one would infer that we all speak fluent Aramaic and Koinic Greek, even though we've never heard them, because they influenced the language we today know as English...

Eventually, the source becomes so co-opted and mutated that it's no longer recognizable--it's now something else. good point </font>[/QUOTE]Really? Musical influences and acquired language skils are comparable?

As for the source becoming unrecognizable, maybe after thousands of years, not 20.

[DeesKo]

When specifically discussing a group of people who without question helped nurture what we call house music today....


Not going out of your way to mention someone as an influence is one thing, making it a point to repeatedly refuse the possibility is something else.

Peace

[Bill Blake]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to all this....

Im just glad Stigz was able to find this gif again

http://www.creativelyyoursvideo.com/SomethingAwful/laughing.gif

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to all this....

Im just glad Stigz was able to find this gif again

http://www.creativelyyoursvideo.com/SomethingAwful/laughing.gif why am i not surprised

[Hippie]

One thing we have to remember about influence is that it's much easier now than it was back then. Reason being there are alot of unemployed jocks that have more time to go listen someone else. Back when I DJ'ed I went to the Loft once in my life. And the Garage maybe a dozen total. The reason was most jocks were working at the same time these clubs were open so you usually didn't have time to go to someone else's club unless it was on an off night or you worked in a bar that closed early. Most clubs back then closed no earlier than 5 or 6. And after playing for 8 hours I wasn't in the mood to get in my car to go anywhere but home. So if you mean direct influence I would say no and if you say by the music they mixed I also say no because David Mancuso never did a club mix that I can remember. So yes some people are influenced by other jocks but back in the day every Dj that worked, worked. I think the influence was more in floor control than anything else. And I'd say the same thing now. 10 years from now when people say that Timmy influenced every Dj that would not be true because alot of jocks that work full time don't have time to go and hang every weekend and listen to him.

[mdpm99]

OM

[saadir7]

Slick Leo and Trent Delaune
influenced me.

[Mark Herring]

I agree with hippie. but I have to say that I was influenced by david mancuso and tee scott. I at the time was very young and was more into dancing than spinning. but that does not matter today. doug the influence does not matter because at the end of the day it is all about the people you play for are they having a good time or not. because trust me the audience does not give a hoot who you were influenced by. they just want to party and have a good time. when people start talking about the good old days they need to let it rest. because there are slamming parties today. For example 667 on wednesday's reminds me of better days back in the day. lot of the same vibe but thankfully its another party and another time.

[Tee Cee 13]

Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
with all respect to the above mentioned djs.

During a lunch break with donger over some bland tuna sandwiches, DOnger menitoned how he was shocked at how a certain well known DJ discredited Levan & David as being his influence.

i was surprised at Dongers reaction. Do we all need to be influenced by these djs that no doubt were and still are great?

I for one never experienced the garage or the loft. SO i would be lying to say i was influenced by them. I do love the music they played. i instead grew up with David Morales, Louie vega, Disciple, etc.

So my questions are:

If you grew in the loft(70s/80's) and garage era
is it a crime to say you werent influenced by these 2 great djs? Should we be shocked at a great dj from that era not influenced by these djs?

If i love the music from that era, does that mean larry & david indirectly influence me even though i never heard them play?


discuss.. Greetings Doug,

One of the few dj's u mention on your list of dj's and at the top of that list u have David Morales, if you own any of the Loft comp. by DM I believe it's the first one I'll quote word for word ,
David Morales" The Loft just openned my brains" if the loft did it to him ,look what it did to you. Yes indirectly you were by David Mancuso.

enough said..........

[BigPoppa]

Don't forget the grand-daddy that influenced them all...Francis Grasso, R.I.P. I just made a pilgrimage to New York and to stand in front of that building and think of all who came after was overwhelming.

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by Mark Herring:
I agree with hippie. but I have to say that I was influenced by david mancuso and tee scott. I at the time was very young and was more into dancing than spinning. but that does not matter today. doug the influence does not matter because at the end of the day it is all about the people you play for are they having a good time or not. because trust me the audience does not give a hoot who you were influenced by. they just want to party and have a good time. when people start talking about the good old days they need to let it rest. because there are slamming parties today. For example 667 on wednesday's reminds me of better days back in the day. lot of the same vibe but thankfully its another party and another time. yeah yeah. Also believe it or
not a lot of dj's were jealous of Larry and David
Mancuso back then. Just like today a lot of dj's
(for whatever reason ) are jealous of who ever is on top of his or her game. graemlins/acclaim.gif