Why are black folk always so worried about what others think?

[The Buddy Love Show]

Why all the hangups?

why worry what whites or others think of you?

Are the negative or positive perceptions of others actually impeding your progress?

Do blacks have to conform to different standards of behavior and codes of conduct so that others will "respect" us?

Why do we assimilate negative imagery as our own ( pimps/hoes - which are ethnic neutral jobs) yet run from positive imagery ( black intelligence, education, proper speech, middle class values or in ghettospeak "ackin white")?

Can't blacks **** up or succeed just like others and not have their plight be a cause of concern about how we are viewed?

Why are Asians (who are also easily spotted) seem to be thriving despite what others "think" of them?

The most significant cultural force of the past 25 years is the hiphop movement yet many peeps decry its relevance/importance and impact - even though its participants have turned American society on its head (more later). Why is this?


It seems to me that most of us spend to much time worrying about the "Man" and not enough time working a plan.

[ September 24, 2003, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

[DJJM3.COM]

slave mentality

[Ken1015]

You best ta take that back! Take that back! Massa gon' beat you now! I's powerful sorry for what Magus said Massa! He think too much sometimes!

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I think that for many of us we've been programmed to think that we have to work harder to get to the same step that all other ethnicities are striving for.

I couldn't understand Bold Soul's comments about not needing to "Work Harder" until now.

Why is it when I talk to sistas, they always have to remind me that "I'm an Intelligent Black Sista". Yeah and............

I never hear anyone from another race describing themselves that way.


Something that I learned through life is that you have to be true to yourself and not to put on a costume to accomodate others.


Peace

[JMJ]

Excellent topic....JMJ

[liL Ray]

MAGUS, as usual, with the words of wisdom....

Here's another, even I'm guilty of this....

Why do we feel we have to, and I mean obligated to, tip better than most, and, watch our actions at upscale restaurants?

It seems like we are always carrying the load for our people all the time....like we are saying "see, not all of us are that way"...whatever 'that way' means.

I agree with the statement, can't we be allowed to **** up like other segments of the population. This goes to my argument of society's appetite to crucify the Black superstar when they make a mistake, but seems to give 2nd and 3rd chances to "others" who **** up(Polansky, Downey, jr., Woody).

I remember when Spike Lee was opening his store in Fort Greene and one of the interviwers in the press mob ask him (paraphrasing) "What will you give back to the community" and he answered "why do I have to give back...do you ask that question to White business owners like DeNiero(sp?) and others who open their businesses?"....I respected him from that day!

I wish for the day when we can be allowed to make our own mistakes and be judged on a level playing field with everyone else....I also wish for the day when we, as Black folk, will allow us that right. I think it is a programmed mentality....don't know if it is 'slave mentality', but Malcolm X put his finger on it...we have been programmed.

I don't know if my ramblings make sense(it's hard to explain in the virtual forum), but that's my 2cents...thanks for listening.

....liL Ray

[ September 24, 2003, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

btw...i'm guilty of this syndrome myself t times

funny aside...didja ever feel guilty ordering a rack of ribs at an all white establishment...or buying watermelon slices on the upper east side?...bwahahahahahahaha

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
btw...i'm guilty of this syndrome myself t times

funny aside...didja ever feel guilty ordering a rack of ribs at an all white establishment...or buying watermelon slices on the upper east side?...bwahahahahahahaha or whipping out your bucket of KFC at Jones Beach....how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....sh8 needs to change....

[Jolyon]

if there was only one black guy in america ****ing up, you can bet Cops would be showing it on a loop.

actually that reminds me of the michael moore film...he goes into that.

[dj c-los]

Magus you like talking about these topics...black vs whites and "people rising up." I notice that you always have something to say. It's all good...just a friendly question.

[fred da warrior]

Great topic, Magus...(and Bold Soul by extension).
I notice that on most heated topics on this board that undoubtedly someone will start off by saying, "see this is why other people don't respect us", and I'm like, "so the phuck what, who give a shit about what other people think".

I call it black people's "collective cringe".

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by fred:


I call it black people's "collective cringe". very good term....

[fred da warrior]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
btw...i'm guilty of this syndrome myself t times

funny aside...didja ever feel guilty ordering a rack of ribs at an all white establishment...or buying watermelon slices on the upper east side?...bwahahahahahahaha or whipping out your bucket of KFC at Jones Beach....how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....sh8 needs to change.... </font>[/QUOTE]I know black folk right now that are ashamed to bring their leftover soul food to eat the next day at work 'cause they are ashamed that the black eyed peas and fatback are going to pop and blow the door off the microwave. :D

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by clos7:
Magus you like talking about these topics...black vs whites and "people rising up." I notice that you always have something to say. It's all good...just a friendly question. Race is still the number one issue in America

we need to find ways to make this shit work because the divisiveness is a tool of collective control - meanwhile the real villians erode liberties, cut their taxes and wage war in the name of "freedom"

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Funny, yesterday I was eating some fried chicken for lunch and I had to use my "Conservative" way of eatin a chicken leg.

Had my bahine been at home, everything from the rooter to the tooter would've been gone!!

Peace

[Bold Soul]

What I love the most is when multi-racial people in the public eye (Tiger Woods, Vin Diesel, Rae Dawn Chong, etc.) are derided:

"When is so and so going to ADMIT they're black?" Admit it - as if they've committed a crime or something. As if "being black" is something that should be conceded to.

[Leslie]

I am mostly bothered by black folks who thinks its a ****ing crime to eat pork. Leslie loves oink, she loves bacon, the stuffing her Mom makes on Thanksgiving with sausage in it, fatback in a pot of greens, a neckbone in a pot of pinto beans, ribs, pork chops, VA ham on a Sunday morning with some cheese and eggs, etc....

Additionaly, to not eat pork to me would be a slap in the face of my grandfather (RIP) who owned a farm as well as a store and raised among other things pigs, that kept food on his family's table. My Mother and her siblings certainly have not suffered from growing up eating pork.

Religous issues aside. Leave the pig ALONE! Many black folks eat pork, SO WHAT!

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Funny, yesterday I was eating some fried chicken for lunch and I had to use my "Conservative" way of eatin a chicken leg.
Peace the knife and fork method, I suppose, with the constant napkin wiping of the mouth.... :D

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Leslie:
I am mostly bothered by black folks who thinks its a ****ing crime to eat pork. Leslie loves oink, she loves bacon, the stuffing her Mom makes on Thanksgiving with sausage in it, fatback in a pot of greens, a neckbone in a pot of pinto beans, ribs, pork chops, VA ham on a Sunday morning with some cheese and eggs, etc....

Additionaly, to not eat pork to me would be a slap in the face of my grandfather (RIP) who owned a farm as well as a store and raised among other things pigs, that kept food on his family's table. My Mother and her siblings certainly have not suffered from growing up eating pork.

Religous issues aside. Leave the pig ALONE! Many black folks eat pork, SO WHAT! hail.gif

[Bill Blake]

An interesting consideration on how African Americans think of themselves:

Walter Mosley was on Bill Moyers' program last week discussing the role that African Americans play (actually don’t play), with group interest, in the international political scene.

The thing that struck me was how he referred to (given reason why its even more a shock that there are less black international political organizations and interest than should be) African Americans as the wealthiest population of blacks in the world, which when you think about it……..IS TRUE.

I wonder how many black folks see them selves as just that…..the most wealthiest of black populations overall, on the planet?

And what could be the impact of having such a view

[ September 24, 2003, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Leslie, I think that it's a regional and cultural phenomena when it comes to eating pork.

Because there's such a large Muslim population up north, Islam has more influence on the people in that region, as opposed to the people here down south.

Out west there is a large Muslim following in the Bay Area of California, plus there's this "Health Conscious" feeling that is force fed to many people out west.

I don't eat alot of pork because it gives me headaches. I cut down on Ham and bacon for health reasons.


Peace

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by Leslie:
I am mostly bothered by black folks who thinks its a ****ing crime to eat pork. Leslie loves oink, she loves bacon, the stuffing her Mom makes on Thanksgiving with sausage in it, fatback in a pot of greens, a neckbone in a pot of pinto beans, ribs, pork chops, VA ham on a Sunday morning with some cheese and eggs, etc....

Additionaly, to not eat pork to me would be a slap in the face of my grandfather (RIP) who owned a farm as well as a store and raised among other things pigs, that kept food on his family's table. My Mother and her siblings certainly have not suffered from growing up eating pork.

Religous issues aside. Leave the pig ALONE! Many black folks eat pork, SO WHAT! Just curious on why you think blacks like pork. Or when people associate food...they might think of blacks and pork. I am really not trying to be funny or sarcastic...i want a real answer (and a short one), from someone that can give a respectable insightful reason. No dissin. All love.

[Mack-Williams]

My father always use to tell me. You can't please everybody so please yourself. That's why I am a big fan of Iverson.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Funny, yesterday I was eating some fried chicken for lunch and I had to use my "Conservative" way of eatin a chicken leg.
Peace the knife and fork method, I suppose, with the constant napkin wiping of the mouth.... :D </font>[/QUOTE]hahahah, you got it, plus having to hold back on the chomping of the grissle.

[Leslie]

Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good.

[ September 24, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Leslie ]

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. You got me thinking about some smothered pork chops and gravey and some white rice.

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. leslie, is this answer to my question?

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
An interesting consideration on how African Americans think of themselves:

Walter Mosley was on Bill Moyers program last week discussion the role that African Americans play (actually don’t play), with group interest, in the international political scene.

The thing that struck me was how he referred to (given reason why its even more a shock that there are less black international political organizations and interest than should be) African Americans as the wealthiest population of blacks in the world, which when you think about it……..IS TRUE.

I wonder how many black folks see them selves as just that…..the most wealthiest of black populations overall, on the planet?

And what could be the impact of having such a view I saw that and thought the exact same thing. I had never heard American black folks described as the wealthiest on the planet. It's a profound title for sure.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. You got me thinking about some smothered pork chops and gravey and some white rice. </font>[/QUOTE]You got me thinkin about Fred Sanford clinching his chest.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. leslie, is this answer to my question? </font>[/QUOTE]It may be a partial answer.

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
An interesting consideration on how African Americans think of themselves:

Walter Mosley was on Bill Moyers program last week discussion the role that African Americans play (actually don’t play), with group interest, in the international political scene.

The thing that struck me was how he referred to (given reason why its even more a shock that there are less black international political organizations and interest than should be) African Americans as the wealthiest population of blacks in the world, which when you think about it……..IS TRUE.

I wonder how many black folks see them selves as just that…..the most wealthiest of black populations overall, on the planet?

And what could be the impact of having such a view I saw that and thought the exact same thing. I had never heard American black folks described as the wealthiest on the planet. It's a profound title for sure. </font>[/QUOTE]The title is old.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Funny, yesterday I was eating some fried chicken for lunch and I had to use my "Conservative" way of eatin a chicken leg.
Peace the knife and fork method, I suppose, with the constant napkin wiping of the mouth.... :D </font>[/QUOTE]I eat my chicken with my hands, the way it was intended to be eaten :D Don't care who's watching. What you see is what you get. We have been conditioned to look at ourselves so much that we don't watch other people. Have you seen some people when out dining, with poor table ettiquette? I have and it ain't pretty graemlins/rofl.gif I am doing what everyone else is doing.......Eating and enjoying the meal.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by DiscoLady:
[QUOTE] We have been conditioned to look at ourselves so much that we don't watch other people. so true...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Yeah but at the same time I don't need to hear slurpin and sloppin while I'm eating in a restaraunt.


And the next (*&(*&(*&(*)(^%%%%^$%^ I see wearing a baseball cap while eating in a restaruant, I'm lauching forks!!!!


Peace

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. leslie, is this answer to my question? </font>[/QUOTE]It may be a partial answer. </font>[/QUOTE]Well it wasn't 'post-slavery.' It was during slavery that that everyone (slaves and masters) used to eat pork. Pork was actually more expensive than beef because beef couldn't be refrigerated. Beef was considered poor man's food because it would rot easily. People would bury the pork underground to keep cool and would last longer than beef. So everyone ate pork. It was never the scraps that slaves ate, everyone loved pork including the master. So why should it be embarrasing to eat pork in front of whites...whites chow down on it themselves.
I'll never understand that kind of mentality.
Thanks Leslie.

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. graemlins/rofl.gif Thank you! I will not apologize for my love of Bacon, Ham, Sausage or what have you! Ohhhh and the pseudo-religious-goulash types with their "pig is a filthy animal" jive...have you ever been to a chicken house graemlins/puke.gif ? Now THERE is a filthy bottom-feeding ass animal! But I love me some fried/jerk/stew/roasted/BBQ chicken too.

Anyway, for people following serious religious dietary laws, then more power to em. God/Allah bless em biggrinangel.gif . I mean that...no sarcasm. For people concerned about heart/colon health, go for it! But for those who do it just cause so-n-so down the block says so, shut up and have a rib! :D

peace

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
[/qb]how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....[/QB][/QUOTE]


How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure.
This reminds me of Dave Chapelle and the chicken bit down in Mississippi.

"It is no secret around here that blacks and chickens are quite fond of one another."

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. [/QB][/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too....

[ September 24, 2003, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Silhouette:
The title is old. Not as old as a lot of things that are true yet not considered.

Meaning, the question still is do black folks, in general, see themselves in this light?....

What is the impact as magus has described earlier of positive self perception (like maybe being a very powerful center for international affairs) or negative?

[imported_Gman]

All you pork eaters don't you you remember that Richard Pryor routine about heart attacks and eating pork ? Funny as hell.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
The title is old. Not as old as a lot of things that are true yet not considered.

Meaning, the question still is do black folks, in general, see themselves in this light?.... </font>[/QUOTE]very good question, to which I have to say the answer is "NO"....it would be a great step forward if we were to "program' ourselves that way.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Gman:
All you pork eaters don't you you remember that Richard Pryor routine about heart attacks and eating pork ? Funny as hell. From The album "Wanted":


Don't Breathe!!

I said huh,

I said don't breathe MU(*&(* you heard me.

OKay I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry.

Say Ni))a didn't I tell you not to breathe.

You told me you told me you told me.

Then what are you lookin at, stand still mo&(&(*&

Okay I'm standin still I'm standin still

You thinking about diein aren't ya

yeah yeah yea

You weren't thinkin about that when you were eatin all that PORK moth(*&(*&(*&(

Drinkin all that whiskey and snortin that COCAINE

yeah I was thikin about it thinkin about

SHUT THE F_CK UP

I'll shut up I'll shut up

YOU AIN'T SHUT UP YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
The title is old. Not as old as a lot of things that are true yet not considered.

Meaning, the question still is do black folks, in general, see themselves in this light?....

What is the impact as magus has described earlier of positive self perception (like maybe being a very powerful center for international affairs) or negative? </font>[/QUOTE]When I first heard that was in 1980-something. Some gentlemen(who were into money)told myself and others(teens)how and why "African Americans are the wealthiest". We were shocked as hell then to see their point of view. I can't assume every African American knows this, but those who try to gather the collective for protests and marches do know this.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

And thing about Black people having some self conscious feeling come over them when they're eating a Ham Sammich, plueaseeeee!!!!!!!

Man you should see some of the White people chow down at some of these "Soul Food" Buffets.


Live your life.

Peace

[Leslie]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Post-Slavery in the South when those blacks who were able to obtain land to farm, pigs are easy to tend to. The meat can be eaten immediately and or stored for long periods of time (in the event of a long winter). Pigs provide by-products that are used in many products. They keep food on the table in various ways.

It tastes good. leslie, is this answer to my question? </font>[/QUOTE]It may be a partial answer. </font>[/QUOTE]Well it wasn't 'post-slavery.' It was during slavery that that everyone (slaves and masters) used to eat pork. Pork was actually more expensive than beef because beef couldn't be refrigerated. Beef was considered poor man's food because it would rot easily. People would bury the pork underground to keep cool and would last longer than beef. So everyone ate pork. It was never the scraps that slaves ate, everyone loved pork including the master. So why should it be embarrasing to eat pork in front of whites...whites chow down on it themselves.
I'll never understand that kind of mentality.
Thanks Leslie. </font>[/QUOTE]He asked for quick and dirty, plus I was on the phone. Thanks for all further clarification.

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... [/QB][/QUOTE]

Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by Leslie:
I am mostly bothered by black folks who thinks its a ****ing crime to eat pork. Leslie loves oink, she loves bacon, the stuffing her Mom makes on Thanksgiving with sausage in it, fatback in a pot of greens, a neckbone in a pot of pinto beans, ribs, pork chops, VA ham on a Sunday morning with some cheese and eggs, etc....

Additionaly, to not eat pork to me would be a slap in the face of my grandfather (RIP) who owned a farm as well as a store and raised among other things pigs, that kept food on his family's table. My Mother and her siblings certainly have not suffered from growing up eating pork.

Religous issues aside. Leave the pig ALONE! Many black folks eat pork, SO WHAT! I think the answer to that one is two fold. First both the bible and quran both speak against the consumption of pork. Can't leave the religious issue asside because it is such a huge part of a lot of peoples day to day existance. Also there is a stigma attached to it because during slavery blacks were given pork throw away parts (chitterlings(SP?) etc.) to eat. I don't eat pork because it is nasty and when I was a practicing muslim the quran forbids its consumption.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Why all the hangups?

why worry what whites or others think of you?

Are the negative or positive perceptions of others actually impeding your progress?

Do blacks have to conform to different standards of behavior and codes of conduct so that others will "respect" us?

Can't blacks **** up or succeed just like others and not have their plight be a cause of concern about how we are viewed?

It seems to me that most of us spend to much time worrying about the "Man" and not enough time working a plan. We get caught up in these attitudes a lot of times because, like it or not, blacks and minorities in general are still viewed as a monolith. We are making strides in overcoming this problem however, years of conditioning by blacks and viewing of negative images by others are very hard to delete from the subconscious.

It further does not help that we refuse to live amongst each other. The best way to learn about someone is to live with them. There may even be segregation in an integrated neighborhood. My neighborhood is a perfect example. Virtually all of the white kids go to the Catholic school while virtually all of the black kids go to the public school. This public school is one of the tops in the city. A neighbor told my wife that she doesn't think her daughter would be comfortable at that school. Her daughter's 4 now. She doesn't know anything. We know who really wouldn't be comfortable, her parents. This conditioning is extremely difficult to beat.

And yes, like you, I too have to struggle with the conditioning. I've actually entertained thoughts of sending my kid to the Catholic school and that's messed up.


Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

Why are Asians (who are also easily spotted) seem to be thriving despite what others "think" of them? "Asians" have a support system and a connection to their roots that most American blacks will never have but the smart, overacheiving Asian is an Asian stereotype. It's a positive one but a stereotype nonetheless. Studies have shown that a strong work ethic and will to succed is prevalent among almost all immigrants. However, once you get down to the 3rd and 4th generations these kids are just as American (screwed up) as the rest of us. I offer Kai as an example. graemlins/rofl.gif


Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

Why do we assimilate negative imagery as our own ( pimps/hoes - which are ethnic neutral jobs) yet run from positive imagery ( black intelligence, education, proper speech, middle class values or in ghettospeak "ackin white")?
Perfect example of the conditioning wrought through slavery where blacks were strongly discouraged against learning anything except what was approved by management.

[martino]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. </font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Speaking as an italian, its actually a matter of pride to pull out the italian food. So its the exact opposite. Ray is pretty much right. Nothing to be insecure about, youre happy to pull out the salami. (um...that didn't sound right-get your mind out of the gutter now thanx haha)

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. </font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella. [/QB][/QUOTE]

HUH!!!???

You must not live in Nyc/Brooklyn or understand what the mindset of Italians(or I should say Italian-Americans)is here.....for a New Yorker the statement "most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway" is baffling seeing that most of them think of themselves as "Caucasian" and most of the racist crap that I have experienced here in this city have come from them(name callings, not getting served in thier establishment, "come on over with a check, the apartment is in Move in condition....oh, sorry, we _________(fill in with any excuse you can think of).

I think most minorities who live here in the Nyc will agree with this....or maybe I'm not educated enough to this.....but, I think I am, seeing that the first community I lived in when arriving here was a predominately Italian community(Canarsie) at the time...they have since moved and sold thriving businesses because of the change of demographics in the neighborhood....I guess they couldn't co-exist....I have also worked in jobs with them.....they needed me.

So, yes, I think I can reference Italians on topics like this....

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Some very interesting points from Ray and Martino when it comes to food and culture.

It's a given that Food is a huge part of the "African American" and "Italian" culture or should I say experience.

When you watch "Good Fellas", there's food throughout the entire film. "The Joy Luck Club", "Soul Food" are other examples of how food can bring families and people in general together to share their thoughts.

But when I think back to what Chris Rock said about "Soul Food", not the movie, I really wonder if the celebration of eating "scraps" is ideal way of celebrating life.

[Keith Blackstone]

I'm still waiting for somoene to comment on Magus' comments on ghetto talk vs proper/clear/whatever english...

Seems like talking like a**hole is cool these days. I'll be perfectly content to be uncool and easy to understand... :rolleyes:

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by martino:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. </font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Speaking as an italian, its actually a matter of pride to pull out the italian food. So its the exact opposite. Ray is pretty much right. Nothing to be insecure about, youre happy to pull out the salami. (um...that didn't sound right-get your mind out of the gutter now thanx haha) [/QB][/QUOTE]


Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Ken1015:


It further does not help that we refuse to live amongst each other. The best way to learn about someone is to live with them. There may even be segregation in an integrated neighborhood. My neighborhood is a perfect example. Virtually all of the white kids go to the Catholic school while virtually all of the black kids go to the public school. This public school is one of the tops in the city. A neighbor told my wife that she doesn't think her daughter would be comfortable at that school. Her daughter's 4 now. She doesn't know anything. We know who really wouldn't be comfortable, her parents. This conditioning is extremely difficult to beat.

Asians" have a support system and a connection to their roots that most American blacks will never have but the smart, overacheiving Asian is an Asian stereotype. It's a positive one but a stereotype nonetheless. Studies have shown that a strong work ethic and will to succed is prevalent among almost all immigrants. However, once you get down to the 3rd and 4th generations these kids are just as American (screwed up) as the rest of us. I offer Kai as an example. graemlins/rofl.gif

An interesting point was made last night on PBS Race is and Race aint…

Like all other ethnic groups outside those that got grouped into ‘white’, the Black Folks like the Chinese due to the incentives for social segregation…..there was the claim that there really was no desire for the Chinese, Blacks or Hispanics to live in their own communities.

However over time the communities became self reinforcing for good or bad. And then ironically become seen by the white majority and even the minorities as a desired outcome that overtime justify the initial ethnic and racial segregation tactics. Chinatowns were the main examples used.

Now it is assumed that a Chinatown is a symbol of some desired Chinese community, perhaps even something for the Chinese themselves to even be ‘proud’ of but in fact it was a necessity of exclusion and not really some desire for the Chinese to exclude themselves for cultural purity at all.

Interesting.

However some stereotypes play out, it was the tongs and secrete societies that for sometime prevailed and had a huge incentive for organized crime as a means for survival in Chinatowns which instead of being scene as a product of exclusion in America, became seen as an import of desired Chinese structure.

And we shouldn’t forget how although the Asians have the stereotype of being smart (once again Kai ****s that one up), they are also seen as secret untrustworthy closed societies.

[ September 24, 2003, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
[QUOTE] Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself'

[ September 24, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. </font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]HUH!!!???

You must not live in Nyc/Brooklyn or understand what the mindset of Italians(or I should say Italian-Americans)is here.....for a New Yorker the statement "most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway" is baffling seeing that most of them think of themselves as "Caucasian" and most of the racist crap that I have experienced here in this city have come from them(name callings, not getting served in thier establishment, "come on over with a check, the apartment is in Move in condition....oh, sorry, we _________(fill in with any excuse you can think of).

I think most minorities who live here in the Nyc will agree with this....or maybe I'm not educated enough to this.....but, I think I am, seeing that the first community I lived in when arriving here was a predominately Italian community(Canarsie) at the time...they have since moved and sold thriving businesses because of the change of demographics in the neighborhood....I guess they couldn't co-exist....I have also worked in jobs with them.....they needed me.

So, yes, I think I can reference Italians on topics like this.... [/QB][/QUOTE]


ok. Do the right thing.

[Leslie]

This just got even more interesting....Maria where are you???

[JMJ]

[ September 24, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I'm still waiting for somoene to comment on Magus' comments on ghetto talk vs proper/clear/whatever english...

Seems like talking like a**hole is cool these days. I'll be perfectly content to be uncool and easy to understand... :rolleyes: There's ghetto talk and there's just shit I can't understand, especially here in the south.

Talk about a deep "twang" in the dialect down here, I have to ask myself, how in the hell do you expect to get a job with a "Drawl" like that.


That shit you hear when you listen to "Get Low" by the Yin Yang Twins, well that's not a marketing ploy like "Das EFX" with there "Bum stiggity" rhymes. That's how alot of people talk down here period.

And you wonder why Bill Cosby gets uptight about the comedians we see today.

What kills me is that I've witnessed many teachers, no matter what race, use improper English while teaching students.

"Where it's at"....you know damn well this is an improper way to ask a question.

My mother drilled my two brothers and I to the ground when we spoke improper english. Her black friends while living in New Jersey used to get on her case for how clearly she spoke, then again, she had the "Like I give a rat's ass..." way of thinking that I use now.

Thanks Mom!!

Peace

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
[QUOTE]


ok. Do the right thing. this was not about right or wrong thing.....this was pointing out where my reference came from...it is not my fault you can't handle it....I never said it was right or wrong, it is for you to show me that....

...waiting....

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:


But when I think back to what Chris Rock said about "Soul Food", not the movie, I really wonder if the celebration of eating "scraps" is ideal way of celebrating life. They wouldnt be the first.

Do you think the Irish should really love making every creative thing one could think of with a potato and cabbage and then have be known world wide as good ol Irish food?

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I'm still waiting for somoene to comment on Magus' comments on ghetto talk vs proper/clear/whatever english...

Seems like talking like a**hole is cool these days. I'll be perfectly content to be uncool and easy to understand... :rolleyes: Well, I speak mainstream english to everyone, (I do it more so now because I have children that need to know how to speak clearly). My mother (RIP) will rollover in her grave if she knew I was using in-correct english. It's more of being articulate (sp) speaking like this in front of white people is the way to speak because we are trying to impress them or not look like buffoons. graemlins/stupid.gif I was baffled at how many white people spoke in-correct english when I started working in the corporate world and going to college with them :eek: As a matter of fact alot of Europeans believe that we (Americans) massacre the English language as a whole. I guess I was raised to observe others rather than always looking at myself (yet I disliked myself, go figure). I have never been intimidated by other whites but I was intimidated by other Blacks because of their color. So I really can't relate to trying to fit in with White People because growing up I just tried to fit in with the people like me graemlins/conf44.gif

[ September 24, 2003, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: DiscoLady ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:


But when I think back to what Chris Rock said about "Soul Food", not the movie, I really wonder if the celebration of eating "scraps" is ideal way of celebrating life. They wouldnt be the first.

Do you think the Irish should really love making every creative thing one could think of with a potato and cabbage and then have be known world wide as good ol Irish food? </font>[/QUOTE]Good call Jamie. I guess we don't need to celebrate "Pain" but celebrate "Life" with whatever we have in front of us on the dinner table.

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
QUOTE]Good call Jamie. I guess we don't need to celebrate "Pain" but celebrate "Life" with whatever we have in front of us on the dinner table. Being Poor=Equals always getting the scraps.

Being opressed=End up loving and being proud of the scraps.

And for gman....the reason blacks have heart attacks aint cause they eat pork....its cause they dont drink wine when they do...*tee hee*

[Mocambo]

Nice Thread. Myself and others had this same discussion yesterday afternoon. Might have to print this out and pass it along.

[TAC]

For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC

[martino]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
how come Italians don't have this feeling when they whip out there salami and provolone sandwich or order the spaghetti and clam sauce....It may seem funny, but it's true.....</font>[/QUOTE]How do you know what they feel? Maybe they are just as insecure. </font>[/QUOTE]

oh, I knew someone would be coming with this answer....didn't think it would have taken this long.....and if you believe what you wrote I got a bridge for sale...real cheap too.... </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ray but that wasn't an answer to anything.
If you read my post you'd see a question followed by a 'maybe'. The bridge for sale looks like a vague coverup to avoid a premature statement that could have been labelled 'racial'. No one's doubting your experiences but when using an example leave Italians out.
FYI most Italians don't respect white caucasians anyway, speaking as a Sicilian. Ciao Bella. </font>[/QUOTE]Speaking as an italian, its actually a matter of pride to pull out the italian food. So its the exact opposite. Ray is pretty much right. Nothing to be insecure about, youre happy to pull out the salami. (um...that didn't sound right-get your mind out of the gutter now thanx haha) [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. [/QB][/QUOTE]


i'm not speaking on behalf of all "I"talians, just like magus isn't speaking on behalf of all African Americans. I'm pretty sure there's nothing to get offended about homewrecker. This interests me because i've never thought about anyone being embarrassed about stereotype cuisine, because knowing your cultures cuisine is very important (ie a matter of pride) to "most" Italians (in north america and Italy).
LOL = your capital letter statement. I think I'm more embarassed about movies like mambo italiano and the misuse of the Italian language, than lazy internet typing.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
[And for gman....the reason blacks have heart attacks aint cause they eat pork....its cause they dont drink wine when they do...*tee hee* Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on....

[TAC]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
[And for gman....the reason blacks have heart attacks aint cause they eat pork....its cause they dont drink wine when they do...*tee hee* Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on.... </font>[/QUOTE]Give up the titles. My mouth has started forthing!!!

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Being opressed=End up loving and being proud of the scraps.

Interesting.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by TAC:
For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC According to books of ettiquete this is the incorrect form in which to eat fried chicken. It is perfectly fine for one to eat fried chicken with ones hands.
Thank God I went to Hampton! Special shouts to the local Churches the sold dinners at the gate on occassion. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Leslie:
QUOTE]Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on.... There's a nice Winery near Forked River, N.J. that's pretty good.

Peace

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]There is some here who will disagree with you and I will let them take that up with you...actually there was a topic here on DHP that debated this same topic...I, however, think that by capitalising the 'b' in 'Blacks' goes a long way for some of us to have some pride in ourselves....also, when most other segement of society sees us Black folks, they don't stop to say "'Black' is not a country, so we shouldn't call them Blacks, we should find out where they/he/she is from"...I think you get my drift....so yes, the term 'Black' should be capitalise when referring to us or ours, as you did('black foods'...how come you didn't say 'Nigerian food' or any other "Black" countries?)

....however, instead of trying to take my head off, try and at least debate it first or at least see some of the points here.

....liL Ray

[TAC]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC According to books of ettiquete this is the incorrect form in which to eat fried chicken. It is perfectly fine for one to eat fried chicken with ones hands.
Thank God I went to Hampton! Special shouts to the local Churches the sold dinners at the gate on occassion. graemlins/thumbsup.gif </font>[/QUOTE]You added a word. RIF!

[Leslie]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
QUOTE]Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on.... There's a nice Winery near Forked River, N.J. that's pretty good.

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, I've heard. I need to go check it out. BTW those who vaca on The Vineyard there is winery up there that produces a wine called Summer Red that is really good. I believe the winery is called Chicama.
For shame to interject this in such an import thread graemlins/nono.gif - my apologies...carry on...

[Leslie]

Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC According to books of ettiquete this is the incorrect form in which to eat fried chicken. It is perfectly fine for one to eat fried chicken with ones hands.
Thank God I went to Hampton! Special shouts to the local Churches the sold dinners at the gate on occassion. graemlins/thumbsup.gif </font>[/QUOTE]You added a word. RIF! </font>[/QUOTE]Duly noted Big Brotha - :D

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]There is some here who will disagree with you and I will let them take that up with you...actually there was a topic here on DHP that debated this same topic...I, however, think that by capitalising the 'b' in 'Blacks' goes a long way for some of us to have some pride in ourselves....also, when most other segement of society sees us Black folks, they don't stop to say "'Black' is not a country, so we shouldn't call them Blacks, we should find out where they/he/she is from"...I think you get my drift....so yes, the term 'Black' should be capitalise when referring to us or ours, as you did('black foods'...how come you didn't say 'Nigerian food' or any other "Black" countries?)

....however, instead of trying to take my head off, try and at least debate it first or at least see some of the points here.

....liL Ray </font>[/QUOTE]... or at least get the spelling right, while you are at it, when did Africa become a "country", paisan?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
[QUOTE]
of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper ouch!!....I guess we gonna start history class now?

hahaha

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]ps...while i have a lower case in my title...i am only now experimenting with punctuation and grammar in this persona...i usually write in all lower case

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
while you are at it, when did Africa become a "country", paisan? Ha ha ha Snap!

[Fletch]

Originally posted by TAC:
For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC eating chicken with a knife and fork...

That would have definitely got you into the wrath of the imfamous "Black Tables" at SU--Sadler, Brockway, Kimmel, Haven (if the chicks saw that!!!!). Please elaborate, bro!

[mhd]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
[And for gman....the reason blacks have heart attacks aint cause they eat pork....its cause they dont drink wine when they do...*tee hee* Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on.... </font>[/QUOTE]which ports did you taste, can you describe them?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
[And for gman....the reason blacks have heart attacks aint cause they eat pork....its cause they dont drink wine when they do...*tee hee* Speaking of which the wine tasting I went to last night was off the chain - approx 34 different wines from Spain and 2 ports that literally brought tears to my eyes.

Carry on.... </font>[/QUOTE]which ports did you taste, can you describe them? </font>[/QUOTE]HULK SAY STOP IT!!...START OWN WINE TASTING TOPIC!!! HULK SMASH PUNY GRAPES!!!

...continue..

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by einnod23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
For the record, I do do not eat Chicken with my hands!

I got sh*t on for years in the dining halls at college. But the fact remains I came there eating chicken with a knife and fork, and left there eating chicken with a knife and fork.

If you need more, I'll explain.

Peace
TAC eating chicken with a knife and fork...

That would have definitely got you into the wrath of the imfamous "Black Tables" at SU--Sadler, Brockway, Kimmel, Haven (if the chicks saw that!!!!). Please elaborate, bro! </font>[/QUOTE]My brother pointed this out to me a few years ago. I only eat Legs and Wangs with my hands, but the rest with a knife and a fork. I can't recall doing this as a child, but I still do it to this day.

Peace

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]There is some here who will disagree with you and I will let them take that up with you...actually there was a topic here on DHP that debated this same topic...I, however, think that by capitalising the 'b' in 'Blacks' goes a long way for some of us to have some pride in ourselves....also, when most other segement of society sees us Black folks, they don't stop to say "'Black' is not a country, so we shouldn't call them Blacks, we should find out where they/he/she is from"...I think you get my drift....so yes, the term 'Black' should be capitalise when referring to us or ours, as you did('black foods'...how come you didn't say 'Nigerian food' or any other "Black" countries?)

....however, instead of trying to take my head off, try and at least debate it first or at least see some of the points here.

....liL Ray </font>[/QUOTE]Ray your last point was spot on. Never thought of it that way. Thanks. Maybe I'm used to knowing Carib/African/SA people who associate themselves with country of origin from start.
Also your experience with Italians in Brooklyn may just be down to the mentality of Italians in Brooklyn. I can't comment on that.

My experience being raised around Jamaicans since a baby, they always brought me in fed me, took care of me when I wandered off and generally always made me feel accepted. Most Black people along the way have treated me with respect and I've returned it every time. I've been called a ball washer for this so whatever.
I'll keep listening and respecting but I'll always be a hothead.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Leslie:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
[qb] which ports did you taste, can you describe them? Please dont......Im hella broke right now.

Out of respect PM's please....yall are gonna kill me.

Kill me I say!

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]There is some here who will disagree with you and I will let them take that up with you...actually there was a topic here on DHP that debated this same topic...I, however, think that by capitalising the 'b' in 'Blacks' goes a long way for some of us to have some pride in ourselves....also, when most other segement of society sees us Black folks, they don't stop to say "'Black' is not a country, so we shouldn't call them Blacks, we should find out where they/he/she is from"...I think you get my drift....so yes, the term 'Black' should be capitalise when referring to us or ours, as you did('black foods'...how come you didn't say 'Nigerian food' or any other "Black" countries?)

....however, instead of trying to take my head off, try and at least debate it first or at least see some of the points here.

....liL Ray </font>[/QUOTE]Ray your last point was spot on. Never thought of it that way. Thanks. Maybe I'm used to knowing Carib/African/SA people who associate themselves with country of origin from start.
Also your experience with Italians in Brooklyn may just be down to the mentality of Italians in Brooklyn. I can't comment on that.

My experience being raised around Jamaicans since a baby, they always brought me in fed me, took care of me when I wandered off and generally always made me feel accepted. Most Black people along the way have treated me with respect and I've returned it every time. I've been called a ball washer for this so whatever.
I'll keep listening and respecting but I'll always be a hothead. </font>[/QUOTE]Respect....this is what debating is about...we all learn from it when done properly...

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]TRUE ROMANCE- Great f----- movie. But did Christopher Walken really look Sicilian? I had a hard time with that.

[mhd]

don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow...

[mhd]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]TRUE ROMANCE- Great f----- movie. But did Christopher Walken really look Sicilian? I had a hard time with that. </font>[/QUOTE]he was from northern Sicily

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]TRUE ROMANCE- Great f----- movie. But did Christopher Walken really look Sicilian? I had a hard time with that. </font>[/QUOTE]as sicilian as an eskimo....but he was funny

..just jokes, yo

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... Oh thats cold.

[TAD]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
ok. Do the right thing. i am so happy you wrote this. i was about to reference the movie & bam i read your quote. brilliant!!!

Do the Right Thing (1989) Produced by Spike Lee

Synopsis: On a sweltering hot day in a Brooklyn neighborhood, everyone has their own issues to deal with and tensions between Blacks and Italians rise. Issues of pride and prejudice, justice and inequity come to the surface as hate and bigotry smoulder--finally building into a crescendo as it explodes into violence.

http://www.erikdellumsrules.net/right1.jpg
All around Buggin' Out, peering down from the WALL OF FAME,
are signed, framed, eight by ten glossies of famous Italian
Americans. WE SEE Joe DiMaggio, Rocky Marciano, Perry Como,
Frank Sinatra, Luciano Pavarotti, Liza Minnelli, Governor
Mario Cuomo, Al Pacino and, of course, how can we forget
Sylvester Stallone as Rocky Balboa: THE ITALIAN STALLION,
also RAMBO.

BUGGIN' OUT

He looks at the pictures hovering above him.

BUGGIN' OUT
Mookie.


MOOKIE
What?


BUGGIN' OUT
How come you ain't got no brothers
up?


MOOKIE
Ask Sal.


BUGGIN' OUT
Sal, how come you ain't got no
brothers up on the wall here?

SAL
You want brothers up on the Wall of
Fame, you open up your own business,
then you can do what you wanna do.
My pizzeria, Italian Americans up
on the wall.

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]TRUE ROMANCE- Great f----- movie. But did Christopher Walken really look Sicilian? I had a hard time with that. </font>[/QUOTE]he was from northern Sicily </font>[/QUOTE]Northern Italians have light hair, light eyes.
From Calab on down it's Dark hair, dark eyes dark features.
Northern Sicilian? HAAAAA.

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart...

[mhd]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by homewrecker:

Do you speak for all Italians?
A proud one who can't even put a capital 'I' on Italian.
I'd be just as proud to pull out West Indian food(cuz it tastes better anyway), or countless other black foods. Martino you misssed my point anyway so go back and read it, don't let it wash over you. I guess it's being 'proud' to put a capital 'I' for Italians but the same proudness can't be afforded for the 'B' in Black.....hmmmmm.

MAGUS is so right on point.....

'Look Inside Yourself' </font>Grammar 101 for Lil Ray:
Black is not a country. Africa, Nambia, Jamacia are. They all get capital letters. So do Africans, Nambians, and Jamacians.
Where is the country black? It's not in my atlas.
Please don't try making profound open ended statements. </font>[/QUOTE]Mama Corleone

Grammar 301

Black and White are capitalized when you are speaking of a people...something I was taught and that i looked to just now at Ralph Wiley for added guidance

of course being sicilian you might wanna see a lil less b in your Black

"am i lying" - Dennis Hopper </font>[/QUOTE]TRUE ROMANCE- Great f----- movie. But did Christopher Walken really look Sicilian? I had a hard time with that. </font>[/QUOTE]he was from northern Sicily </font>[/QUOTE]Northern Italians have light hair, light eyes.
From Calab on down it's Dark hair, dark eyes dark features.
Northern Sicilian? HAAAAA. </font>[/QUOTE]i see we had the same geography teacher, just jokes, yo

[TAD]

i guess i'm a little late. didn't see all the responses. nice to see people can be flexible in their opinions

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]awright, ****it, pour me a glass, beeeotch....
graemlins/spanka.gif

[Leslie]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you.

[julian_kelly]

"Main Entry: Standard English
Function: noun
Date: 1836
: the English that with respect to spelling, grammar, pronunciation, and vocabulary is substantially uniform though not devoid of regional differences, that is well established by usage in the formal and informal speech and writing of the educated, and that is widely recognized as acceptable wherever English is spoken and understood."


For the record, 'correct' or 'proper english' can be any form or language, slang, speak, etc., when used in the correct situation. Slang is proper and correct in the appropriate situation. Standard English is proper and correct in the appropraite situation.

The key is to be able to spout Standard English and any other form of speak in the appropriate situation in order to be an effective communicator.

[ September 24, 2003, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: julian_kelly ]

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by julian_kelly:
"Main Entry: Standard English
Function: noun
Date: 1836
: the English that with respect to spelling, grammar, pronunciation, and vocabulary is substantially uniform though not devoid of regional differences, that is well established by usage in the formal and informal speech and writing of the educated, and that is widely recognized as acceptable wherever English is spoken and understood."


For the record, 'correct' or 'proper english' can be any form or language, slang, speak, etc., when used in the correct situation. Slang is appropriate and proper and correct in the appropriate situation. Standard English is proper and correct in the appropraite situation.

The key is to be able to spout Standard English and any other form of speak in the appropriate situation in order to be an effective communicator. Exactly, a time and a place for everything. When I am at work proper english. When I am with my friends slang.

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by homewrecker:
[qb]ok. Do the right thing. i am so happy you wrote this. i was about to reference the movie & bam i read your quote. brilliant!!!


I saw this movie as a kid and at the time it made me real mad. Seeing it now Spike handelled it
with skill. He ripped everyone in that movie (cept the Jews for some reason).
Then all this shit went down cuz of Danny Aiello's dumb daygo son(can't remember his name in it).
Probably still his best movie.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you. </font>[/QUOTE]thank you, you are more than a goddess, it is a shame that others cannot partake of the literal pleasures you have bestowed on this mere mortal, i beseech thee to ignore their ramblings and force them to vicariousy experience this ecstacy

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you. </font>[/QUOTE]Les - any chance you could share the list this way? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you. </font>[/QUOTE]Les - any chance you could share the list this way? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks. </font>[/QUOTE]]
Sure. Let me figure out a way to transfer it and I'll post it under its own topic.

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]awright, ****it, pour me a glass, beeeotch....
graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]the first sip, then a puff, glass in one hand, perhaps a cigar in the other, you can only be silent as your mind and body react to the sensations, slowly you recover and the smile spreads across your face and you can't help but share the good feeling with anyone lucky enough to be near you

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you. </font>[/QUOTE]Les - any chance you could share the list this way? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks. </font>[/QUOTE]]
Sure. Let me figure out a way to transfer it and I'll post it under its own topic. </font>[/QUOTE]Wonderful. Thank you!

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
[QUOTE] the first sip, then a puff, glass in one hand, perhaps a cigar in the other, you can only be silent as your mind and body react to the sensations, slowly you recover and the smile spreads across your face and you can't help but share the good feeling with anyone lucky enough to be near you ...this sounds like what happens when you eat a plate of collard greens cooked with some smoke pigtails and a plate of smothered pork chops, while washing it down with a big glass of lemonade, all while out with your co-workers at the company's general meeting in Connecticut.....

...can we get back to the topic at hand.....thanks.

[ September 24, 2003, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

as shakepeare and others have noted...the fool can go where wise men fear to tread...just jokes can easy the tension AND send the message

as an aside it seems many great comedians become tragedians in later years

[TAC]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
don't ignore me les, ignore them, you know you want to describe the color, smell, initial impact on your palete, texture going down and the afterglow... HULK WILL JUMP TO DC AND SMASH PUNY HUMAN mhd.... graemlins/spanka.gif </font>[/QUOTE]and as you are lulling in the afterglow, you are staring into the depths of the glass, sniffing the aroma as you contemplate the next taste, if you are lucky you are puffing on a cuban, and those two exquisite sensations intermingle in in your tastebuds on their way to your stomach and to your head and finishing in your heart... </font>[/QUOTE]I PM'd you. Lennox I'll make a copy of the listing for you. </font>[/QUOTE]What the F is this. I asked first. The whole room over is here is foaming. What a brother gotta do to get some love.

Also, put a star on the list next to your recomendations/favorites. PM me MEOW!!!

[Bold Soul]

FCUK PROPRIETY! You are all duty-bound to be NIGGERS!

You must all show the establishment that you can be EQUALLY as SUCCESSFUL, CONTENT and POWERFUL by VIOLATING every unspoken tenant and standard of American society.

It is this propriety that has kept minorities securely in "their place" since you all built this country - whether you tilled their fields, mined their gold and coal, laid their railroad tracks, sewed their garments or killed their enemies.

To covet the rewards of your adversary is to have a fetish for difficulty. You must give power to your base inclinations. You must set the "standard" on its ear. You must show those who use the power structure for their own gain that they do not hold ALL THE KEYS to advancement - only the GILDED ONES.

(Once again, St. Magus visits and inspires. My gratitude.)

[ September 24, 2003, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[TAC]

Originally posted by homewrecker:
Probably still his best movie. I beg to differ, "She's Gotta Have it" was better.

The Artistic expression, IMHO.

Peace
TAC

[ September 24, 2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
as shakepeare and others have noted...the fool can go where wise men fear to tread...just jokes can easy the tension AND send the message

as an aside it seems many great comedians become tragedians in later years Not to mention for the side note Grammar discussions, it was Shakespeare who is in large part responsible for the establishment of the English language through what was at the time a very creative stretch of what it was prior to him.

[TAD]

Originally posted by TAC:
What the F is this. I asked first. The whole room over is here is foaming. What a brother gotta do to get some love.yes but you're "forthing", not as messy :D

[ September 24, 2003, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Cosmic_Twin ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
as shakepeare and others have noted...the fool can go where wise men fear to tread...just jokes can easy the tension AND send the message

as an aside it seems many great comedians become tragedians in later years Not to mention for the side note Grammar discussions, it was Shakespeare who is in large part responsible for the establishment of the English language through what was at the time a very creative stretch of what it was prior to him. </font>[/QUOTE]something tells me i would enjoy what you said if i could understand it

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
FCUK PROPRIETY! You are all duty-bound to be NIGGERS!

You must all show the establishment that you can be EQUALLY as SUCCESSFUL, CONTENT and POWERFUL by VIOLATING every unspoken tenant and standard of American society.

It is this propriety that has kept minorities securely in "their place" since you all built this country - whether you tilled their fields, mined their gold and coal, laid their railroad tracks, sewed their garments or killed their enemies.

To covet the rewards of your adversary is to have a fetish for difficulty. You must give power to your base inclinations. You must set the "standard" on its ear. You must show those who use the power structure for their own gain that they do not hold ALL THE KEYS to advancement - only the GILDED ONES.

(Once again, St. Magus visits and inspires. My gratitude.) Remember, one of the three temptations the Buddha was faced to overcome was the temptation of social duty. Something like ‘Have you not read the daily papers? Do you not know there is much to do today?’

The Buddha was not moved.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
something tells me i would enjoy what you said if i could understand it Sorry:

Two most important contributions to developement of modern English are Shakespeare and the King James Bible.

[Despite this, Shakespeare is credited by the Oxford English Dictionary with the introduction of nearly 3,000 words into the language. His vocabulary, as culled from his works, numbers upward of 17,000 words (quadruple that of an average, well-educated conversationalist in the language). In the words of Louis Marder, "Shakespeare was so facile in employing words that he was able to use over 7,000 of them—more than occur in the whole King James version of the Bible—only once and never again."]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
FCUK PROPRIETY! You are all duty-bound to be NIGGERS!

You must all show the establishment that you can be EQUALLY as SUCCESSFUL, CONTENT and POWERFUL by VIOLATING every unspoken tenant and standard of American society.

It is this propriety that has kept minorities securely in "their place" since you all built this country - whether you tilled their fields, mined their gold and coal, laid their railroad tracks, sewed their garments or killed their enemies.

To covet the rewards of your adversary is to have a fetish for difficulty. You must give power to your base inclinations. You must set the "standard" on its ear. You must show those who use the power structure for their own gain that they do not hold ALL THE KEYS to advancement - only the GILDED ONES.

(Once again, St. Magus visits and inspires. My gratitude.) Remember, one of the three temptations the Buddha was faced to overcome was the temptation of social duty. Something like ‘Have you not read the daily papers? Do you not know there is much to do today?’

The Buddha was not moved. </font>[/QUOTE]Wonderful connection! Absolutely!

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Why all the hangups?

why worry what whites or others think of you?

Are the negative or positive perceptions of others actually impeding your progress?

Do blacks have to conform to different standards of behavior and codes of conduct so that others will "respect" us?

Why do we assimilate negative imagery as our own ( pimps/hoes - which are ethnic neutral jobs) yet run from positive imagery ( black intelligence, education, proper speech, middle class values or in ghettospeak "ackin white")?

Can't blacks **** up or succeed just like others and not have their plight be a cause of concern about how we are viewed?

Why are Asians (who are also easily spotted) seem to be thriving despite what others "think" of them?

The most significant cultural force of the past 25 years is the hiphop movement yet many peeps decry its relevance/importance and impact - even though its participants have turned American society on its head (more later). Why is this?


It seems to me that most of us spend to much time worrying about the "Man" and not enough time working a plan. Good topic, I was just thinking about this and talking about it with a Black friend of mine that is in U Penn (Ivy). He is called a "sellout" and "trying to act White" when he speaks proper English around Blacks.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

Why do we assimilate negative imagery as our own ( pimps/hoes - which are ethnic neutral jobs) yet run from positive imagery ( black intelligence, education, proper speech, middle class values or in ghettospeak "ackin white")?
That attitude is prevalent among but not limited to blacks.
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/nq/2003/nq030924.gif

[Mocambo]

Nice Cartoon

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
My father always use to tell me. You can't please everybody so please yourself. That's why I am a big fan of Iverson. That's my DAWG WHAT! NO DOUBT!!!!

[Rodney Ransom]

I haven't read the rest of the post besides the
opening question. My answer would be low self
esteem. A lot of black people suffer from it
weather they know it or not. It seems as though
this society we live in, has put so much emphasis
on how blackpeople, are supposed to act, walk,dress and speak. We as blackpeople are also at fault for this way of thinking.

[ September 30, 2003, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: RodneyRansom ]