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YUJI-SAN

08-11-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=654445&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

Laugh all you want.I've had it since May..Gotta love the Net..Anyway ...shouldnt you be somewhere practicing my man. Check out the link in my sig for what you are in store for on Thursday. Oh I checked out your mix awhile ago dude, its hot yo. Can't front. Is that what you're going to play on Thursday?

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-11-2003, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by YUJI-SAN:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=654445&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

Laugh all you want.I've had it since May..Gotta love the Net..Anyway ...shouldnt you be somewhere practicing my man. Check out the link in my sig for what you are in store for on Thursday. Oh I checked out your mix awhile ago dude, its hot yo. Can't front. Is that what you're going to play on Thursday? [/QUOTE]HAHA dont know yet...Tell Doug Im bringing only 6 records
:D

houseaddict

08-11-2003, 10:06 PM

Forgive me, but i don't speak japanese and I'm tryin gto figure out what the phuck is goin on with this site. How much is shipping, etc. All i see is occasional English a couple of arrows and some pictures. HELP! I gotta have this now!! Can you order it on vinyl from Tower Japan?

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-11-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by houseaddict:
Forgive me, but i don't speak japanese and I'm tryin gto figure out what the phuck is goin on with this site. How much is shipping, etc. All i see is occasional English a couple of arrows and some pictures. HELP! I gotta have this now!! Can you order it on vinyl from Tower Japan? No vinyl..The thing is you want the cd because it is continuous from Track 1 to Track 13...There is an English version of the site .I think the main page gives you the choice.

[ August 11, 2003, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: DJ Timmy Richardson ]

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-11-2003, 10:52 PM

Ok i just checked again..When you go to checkout, either it is half in English or you can put your mouse over the various text and English will appear..Assuming you are using Explorer..You may have to register on their site as well. If memory serves me, it will cost with shipping about 37 bucks.

Tony Cano

08-11-2003, 10:58 PM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008ILMI/qid=1060664249/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-4954734-0279065

blackwax

08-12-2003, 05:47 AM

vinyl junkies u.k have a few copies too

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 06:22 AM

So does this mean it's not going to be released domestically? If so, what's their reasoning?

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
So does this mean it's not going to be released domestically? If so, what's their reasoning? I was told it would be released sometime around August / Sept... so "yes" it's being released domestically...

And reasoning for what? Most things come out in Japan before here, that's pretty normal... Japan and Europe drive the trends in music and the sales in $$$, not the states...

Things like Justin Timberlake and all kinds of other stuff is available over there up to 1 year ahead of us getting it here... it's just the breaks.

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
So does this mean it's not going to be released domestically? If so, what's their reasoning? I was told it would be released sometime around August / Sept... so "yes" it's being released domestically...

And reasoning for what? Most things come out in Japan before here, that's pretty normal... Japan and Europe drive the trends in music and the sales in $$$, not the states...

Things like Justin Timberlake and all kinds of other stuff is available over there up to 1 year ahead of us getting it here... it's just the breaks. [/QUOTE]SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese?

TAC

08-12-2003, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by blackwax:
vinyl junkies u.k have a few copies too Sold out. They already went through their second batch.

HMV japan has it also.

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-12-2003, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
So does this mean it's not going to be released domestically? If so, what's their reasoning? I was told it would be released sometime around August / Sept... so "yes" it's being released domestically...

And reasoning for what? Most things come out in Japan before here, that's pretty normal... Japan and Europe drive the trends in music and the sales in $$$, not the states...

Things like Justin Timberlake and all kinds of other stuff is available over there up to 1 year ahead of us getting it here... it's just the breaks. [/QUOTE]SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese? [/QUOTE]The domestic supposedly will have new cuts..hopefully "Let the children play"...Also...when it came out in Japan...it was one of the hottest new cds...Unfortunateley that wont be the case here in Tower and HMV

däp

08-12-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008ILMI/qid=1060664249/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-4954734-0279065 the virgin megastore at amazon.com appears to have them.

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
So does this mean it's not going to be released domestically? If so, what's their reasoning? I was told it would be released sometime around August / Sept... so "yes" it's being released domestically...

And reasoning for what? Most things come out in Japan before here, that's pretty normal... Japan and Europe drive the trends in music and the sales in $$$, not the states...

Things like Justin Timberlake and all kinds of other stuff is available over there up to 1 year ahead of us getting it here... it's just the breaks. [/QUOTE]SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese? [/QUOTE]The domestic supposedly will have new cuts..hopefully "Let the children play"...Also...when it came out in Japan...it was one of the hottest new cds...Unfortunateley that wont be the case here in Tower and HMV [/QUOTE]Reminds me of those expensive Herbie Hancock imports I've been trying to get my hands on for a while.

Was this the case with the Blaze album?

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese? So I assume you're waiting till it comes over? Or are you buying from hmv Japan...

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese? So I assume you're waiting till it comes over? Or are you buying from hmv Japan... [/QUOTE]Is this the best thing since sliced bread? If not, I'll wait.

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
SO you're saying us Black folk aren't trend setters when it comes to music and marketing? It's the Japanese? So I assume you're waiting till it comes over? Or are you buying from hmv Japan... [/QUOTE]Is this the best thing since sliced bread? If not, I'll wait. [/QUOTE]Considering your criticism of most music being put out these days, I'll reserve comment...

MYOR

08-12-2003, 09:53 AM

I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif MYOR explain that one a bit further?

The vinyl singles are just now being promo'd... although granted things like circa de mi have been out for a while... It's basically in time with the CD being released...

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif Good point!!

As if there's gonna be a buzz of this album here in the states to begin with. After all the negativity that came about with "Our Time is coming" you would think that they would change their strategy, but then again, this is only the United States, the world matters more to them than us alone.

Just another collectors item.

MYOR

08-12-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif MYOR explain that one a bit further?

The vinyl singles are just now being promo'd... although granted things like circa de mi have been out for a while... It's basically in time with the CD being released... [/QUOTE]Well I seem to read A LOT on this board how a song is being played and is being released(and sometimes never comes out). Its seems to me that most of you are waiting for a very long time for it to officially come out.. Now if you guys can't get your hands on them that are DJs, How are we suppose to get it??

Supply and Demand...

You seem to have the Demand but not the Supply..

ohh yeah and by the time it does officially come out.. it seems most people already have a boot legg of the song....

[ August 12, 2003, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

falko

08-12-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif MYOR explain that one a bit further?

The vinyl singles are just now being promo'd... although granted things like circa de mi have been out for a while... It's basically in time with the CD being released... [/QUOTE]timmy regisford played tracks off the album as far back as 1 year ago. francois k has been playing tracks every week for at least 3 months now. of course louie vega has been playing it out. so people have been hearing quite a bit of it.

the band performed practically the whole CD at the miami conference in march, and CERCA DE MI has been out since march. in the mainstream record business, it is common practice for the lead single to be released to radio 90 days before the album hits the streets... march, april, may, june, july... it's been over 5 months already since the single was for sale, and much longer since the single has been getting "air"play (in this case club play instead of radio).

personally it doesn't bother me and i will buy the CD whenever it comes out and be happy to have it, but this certainly isn't the way it's "supposed" to be done...

MYOR

08-12-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif MYOR explain that one a bit further?

The vinyl singles are just now being promo'd... although granted things like circa de mi have been out for a while... It's basically in time with the CD being released... [/QUOTE]timmy regisford played tracks off the album as far back as 1 year ago. francois k has been playing tracks every week for at least 3 months now. of course louie vega has been playing it out. so people have been hearing quite a bit of it.

the band performed practically the whole CD at the miami conference in march, and CERCA DE MI has been out since march. in the mainstream record business, it is common practice for the lead single to be released to radio 90 days before the album hits the streets... march, april, may, june, july... it's been over 5 months already since the single was for sale, and much longer since the single has been getting "air"play (in this case club play instead of radio).

personally it doesn't bother me and i will buy the CD whenever it comes out and be happy to have it, but this certainly isn't the way it's "supposed" to be done... [/QUOTE]Well I'm not a Marketing expert..

1)Generate a Buzz
2)Set a release date while the record or item is hot..
3)Actually release it on that date.. Don't wait months later, might no longer be a priority on many people list..
4)Make it easy for US common people to get it.. NOT just DJs

GROOVE VICTIM

08-12-2003, 10:24 AM

Generating a buzz, now that's concept thats long gone. Radio DJs would push one or two records for 6 months and by the time it was released, it still had the same amount of momentum.

Nowadays, peeps go goo goo gaa gaa over some shit that ain't worth a damn, gets released 2 months later and nobody buys it because everyone body has the damn track on CD already. Then come the online mixes of the same ole top 15 songs.

Too many sheep

gee willikers

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 10:25 AM

I can't speak for their strategy, but... generally speaking, when you hear Timmy or somebody rocking something brand new, it usually is on CDR and right off the producers machine, being used to test it out on the crowd...

Now can happen before it's even signed, or if it is signed, you have to deal with release schedules...

Releasing a record in itself is a lengthy process which can take months and months... look at GU for example who has albums just waiting to be released.

Supply and demand is perfectly understandable, but not everything is as easy as it might seem on the surface...

But again I can't speak for their strategy with the EOL album.

MYOR

08-12-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I can't speak for their strategy, but... generally speaking, when you hear Timmy or somebody rocking something brand new, it usually is on CDR and right off the producers machine, being used to test it out on the crowd...

Now can happen before it's even signed, or if it is signed, you have to deal with release schedules...

Releasing a record in itself is a lengthy process which can take months and months... look at GU for example who has albums just waiting to be released.

Supply and demand is perfectly understandable, but not everything is as easy as it might seem on the surface...

But again I can't speak for their strategy with the EOL album. From a business stand point there are so many things wrong with this.. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

But hey... What do I know... graemlins/bolt.gif

Keith Blackstone

08-12-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I can't speak for their strategy, but... generally speaking, when you hear Timmy or somebody rocking something brand new, it usually is on CDR and right off the producers machine, being used to test it out on the crowd...

Now can happen before it's even signed, or if it is signed, you have to deal with release schedules...

Releasing a record in itself is a lengthy process which can take months and months... look at GU for example who has albums just waiting to be released.

Supply and demand is perfectly understandable, but not everything is as easy as it might seem on the surface...

But again I can't speak for their strategy with the EOL album. From a business stand point there are so many things wrong with this.. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

But hey... What do I know... graemlins/bolt.gif [/QUOTE]That's the music biz for ya... and not just house either. Only diff is other genre's are working with larger budgets...

email me graemlins/cool_shades.gif

falko

08-12-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm starting to see why house music doesn't take off in the here..

Could it be cuz you NEVER get your hands on anything that is out being played??? graemlins/conf44.gif

ok I'll be graemlins/bolt.gif MYOR explain that one a bit further?

The vinyl singles are just now being promo'd... although granted things like circa de mi have been out for a while... It's basically in time with the CD being released... [/QUOTE]timmy regisford played tracks off the album as far back as 1 year ago. francois k has been playing tracks every week for at least 3 months now. of course louie vega has been playing it out. so people have been hearing quite a bit of it.

the band performed practically the whole CD at the miami conference in march, and CERCA DE MI has been out since march. in the mainstream record business, it is common practice for the lead single to be released to radio 90 days before the album hits the streets... march, april, may, june, july... it's been over 5 months already since the single was for sale, and much longer since the single has been getting "air"play (in this case club play instead of radio).

personally it doesn't bother me and i will buy the CD whenever it comes out and be happy to have it, but this certainly isn't the way it's "supposed" to be done... [/QUOTE]Well I'm not a Marketing expert..

1)Generate a Buzz
2)Set a release date while the record or item is hot..
3)Actually release it on that date.. Don't wait months later, might no longer be a priority on many people list..
4)Make it easy for US common people to get it.. NOT just DJs [/QUOTE]maybe i wasn't clear but my point was that one would expect the album to be out already, since it seems to have been done for a while and the promos and lead single have been out for so long. in hip hop and other genres they time the releases of promos and singles with the album...

i was agreeing with you.

Prince HiFi

08-15-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by falko:
maybe i wasn't clear but my point was that one would expect the album to be out already, since it seems to have been done for a while and the promos and lead single have been out for so long. in hip hop and other genres they time the releases of promos and singles with the album...

i was agreeing with you. I think their strategy is right on the 'money' - the most intense buying season is from September through December, so of course they will release their most important products in the fall, hoping to move plenty of copies all the way to Christmas.

The buying year for house is funny... not much out before March (WMC), then a post-Miami lull in April, things get underway for real in May, June was a letdown this year, July and August - vacation time - are slow except for Ibiza oriented tunes (i.e. crap), September comes and nobody wants to jump too quickly, October and finally the records-of-the-year start coming out, November is usually pretty innovative and by December some greatest hits type packages are on the shelves HO HO HO!

Face it, half the reason why we're all classics-crazy is that there is so little "run to the store" type new music being released in recent years. Yes, both demand and supply is down. :( Personally, I've used the opportunity to buy equipment. Let's hope fall kicks it hard, because I'm ready to buy some music!

Perhaps the peak buying season is different in Japan?

Prince HiFi

simon b

08-15-2003, 06:45 PM

They should have released it here already, it's a summer time record.

houseaddict

08-15-2003, 08:07 PM

I'm sure we can all hypothesize about why this has been released in Japan and not here so, I figure I mine as well join in.

It probably has to do with licensing and/or a ditribution deal.

It's quite obvious the entire album has been complete for some time now. I remember people talking about this in the early winter of 02/03. I thought it was scheduled to drop right around the time of WMC '03 and then WHAMO! Nothin.

Maybe there's some drama that people are keepin on the D.L.

I think that Master Kev is the only one that I am familiar with on the board who may or may not be able to shed some add'l light from the source.

Kev????

The Real Dragonfly Jones

08-16-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by simon b:
They should have released it here already, it's a summer time record. graemlins/grinyes.gif

mattymatt

08-16-2003, 10:06 AM

just seems to me that the great house albums are way too slow in being released. there's no other genre that i know thats like this. we all are exposed to the album but no one can buy it. remember blaze and the prepackaged zip file on audiogalaxy?

just release the damn thing so i can buy it, and tell all my friends to buy it too.

what was the release like of the nuyorican soul album? I remember having no trouble at all finding all of the singles (all double packs) and buying the album easy.

theres a point where your excitement and lust for a new album becomes anger at release dates.
I buy lots of hip hop bootlegs because you just cant get the good shit without being on a promo mailing list.

blah blah blah i'm done.
graemlins/acclaim.gif

[ August 16, 2003, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: mattymatt ]

martino

08-16-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by XL:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by simon b:
They should have released it here already, it's a summer time record. graemlins/grinyes.gif [/QUOTE]totally agree. i've been listening to the cd almost everyday in the car, and it is the perfect summer time cd.

Keith Blackstone

08-16-2003, 08:03 PM

The best part about all of this, is that people who have zero clue about how the business runs, are spouting off what "should" and "shouldn't" be happening... or saying how MAW is wrong or right.

Do some research, or work for a label... then we'll see how your statements change...

Things like release dates don't happen by "chance" or "coincidence"... they are planned like almost every other aspect of a records life and death.

Come on... pfft. graemlins/sleep2.gif

JMNYC

08-16-2003, 08:23 PM

There ARE things that labels can do to try to time their releases better, if you look at it from a marketing perspective (ewwww). In this market, we need to concentrate on those things in order to redesign a business model that clearly has not been working (especially for indie labels).

The Blaze album is one good example. I can think of others, including our Ananda Project album which just came out, which IMHO would have gotten much more attention in the spring/early summer (which it did in Japan) ...

HOWEVER just as Keith stated, there are many things that impact that release date, not all of which are in the hands of the label: artwork, mixes & remixes, credits, test pressings, distribution (usually distributors need promos months in advance, and end up determining street dates based on their promotional strategies as well).

Sometimes it's easier to recognize when the timing is off than it is to recognize the amount of work that went into the project in the first place. The Elements of Life album (as well as the other two aforementioned albums) represents a great deal of strategy, planning & execution, and commitment. If it took them another three years to release the damn thing, it would still be worth it, IMHO as a lover of good music.

That's the great thing about exceptional music - it's timeless. If it hurts sales or not is more of a marketing issue - while we all get caught up in SELLING RECORDS let's remember to be "thankful for what we've got". Considering the lack of commercial success of either the Nuyorican Soul album or the Our Time is Coming album, it's a miracle that a project of this scope, magnitude and quality was pulled together at all, let alone in such a short period of time.

Prince HiFi

08-16-2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
The best part about all of this, is that people who have zero clue about how the business runs, are spouting off what "should" and "shouldn't" be happening... or saying how MAW is wrong or right.

I thought the best part is that people are actually interested to know when this record is coming out.

Pfft = jaded

HiFi

suenomartino

08-16-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by JMNYC:
The Blaze album is one good example. ..and just like the Blaze album, the entire Elements of Life CD has been available for download on SoulSeek for quite some time now.

Labels really need to start rethinking their business/distribution strategies, because the market (and the way people get their music) is changing rapidly.

JMNYC

08-16-2003, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by suenomartino:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
The Blaze album is one good example. ..and just like the Blaze album, the entire Elements of Life CD has been available for download on SoulSeek for quite some time now.

Labels really need to start rethinking their business/distribution strategies, because the market (and the way people get their music) is changing rapidly. [/QUOTE]Labels need to do more than rethink! They have to develop new strategies NOW if they haven't already. You're right that the market is changing rapidly. HOWEVER, I don't necessarily see the relevance of your first paragraph. The fact that something is available for download does not necessarily mean it's losing sales (and on this, I have done my research). It may, in fact, help sell commercials when they hit the shelves.

The argument that "revenue is lost because of illegal filesharing & downloads" has yet to be proven as far as independent dance music is concerned.

Keith Blackstone

08-16-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Prince HiFi:
I thought the best part is that people are actually interested to know when this record is coming out.

Pfft = jaded

HiFi Interest is one thing, accusation and claims of "bad marketing" are another.

Futhermore you know jack about me, so keep your assumptions about me to yourself... I'm far from jaded... but keep tryin.

btw.. pfft = get a clue (in this case). Just like alot of people in this thread, you are speaking without the benefit of knowledge... get a clue, then come for me. Until then... zip it.

[ August 16, 2003, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

illiciumverum

08-17-2003, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Prince HiFi:

...there is so little "run to the store" type new music being released in recent years. Yes, both demand and supply is down. :( sorry to part-quote, but i wholeheartedly agree with this. perhaps more the supply than demand aspect i think.

[ August 17, 2003, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: staranise ]

blackwax

08-17-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
vinyl junkies u.k have a few copies too Sold out. They already went through their second batch.

HMV japan has it also. [/QUOTE]nah they still got em picked one up on saturday!
double cd with interactive extras videos etc nice liner notes too

DJ Rated M

08-18-2003, 06:15 AM

GROOVE VICTIM

08-18-2003, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
The best part about all of this, is that people who have zero clue about how the business runs, are spouting off what "should" and "shouldn't" be happening... or saying how MAW is wrong or right.

Do some research, or work for a label... then we'll see how your statements change...

Things like release dates don't happen by "chance" or "coincidence"... they are planned like almost every other aspect of a records life and death.

Come on... pfft. graemlins/sleep2.gif Keith the bottom line is, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck!!!!!!!!

Putting out a box set that costs 50 bucks only to find out later on that it's marketed for "Collectors", give me a friggin break. Someone in the camp must've been reading up on some Microsft Business Strategies that day.

And another thing, we "THE BUYING PUBLIC" really don't need to know all of the ins and outs of a record label, you're selling us a product, if you screw up the product, WE AIN'T BUYING IT.

[ August 18, 2003, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

mhd

08-18-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
The best part about all of this, is that people who have zero clue about how the business runs, are spouting off what "should" and "shouldn't" be happening... or saying how MAW is wrong or right.

Do some research, or work for a label... then we'll see how your statements change...

Things like release dates don't happen by "chance" or "coincidence"... they are planned like almost every other aspect of a records life and death.

Come on... pfft. graemlins/sleep2.gif Keith the bottom line is, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck!!!!!!!!

Putting out a box set that costs 50 bucks only to find out later on that it's marketed for "Collectors", give me a friggin break. Someone in the camp must've been reading up on so Microsft Business Strategies that day.

And another thing, we "THE BUYING PUBLIC" really don't need to know all of the ins and outs of a record label, you're selling us a product, if you screw up the product, WE AIN'T BUYING IT. [/QUOTE]word, damn, keith, all we want to do is buy the product, sorry

Keith Blackstone

08-18-2003, 08:42 AM

Groove and MHD, nobody is doubting the interest of buying the product or customer interest in general. My only issue is with people who have no clue how things work "telling somebody else how it works"

That's got nothing to do with the product or the desire for it... it's the same thing that goes on here with about 100 other topics... people speaking without the benefit of knowledge. And instead of asking and trying to gain that knowledge, instead assumptions and accusations are made.

I've said about all I'm gonna say...

Keith Blackstone

08-18-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
word, damn, keith, all we want to do is buy the product, sorry Mark you act like I didn't have to do the same thing everyone else does... order it from Japan (or Europe). I'm on the same boat as everyone else... the difference is that I go get what I want... and so I did.

falko

08-18-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
The best part about all of this, is that people who have zero clue about how the business runs, are spouting off what "should" and "shouldn't" be happening... or saying how MAW is wrong or right.

Do some research, or work for a label... then we'll see how your statements change...

Things like release dates don't happen by "chance" or "coincidence"... they are planned like almost every other aspect of a records life and death.

Come on... pfft. graemlins/sleep2.gif Keith the bottom line is, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck!!!!!!!!

Putting out a box set that costs 50 bucks only to find out later on that it's marketed for "Collectors", give me a friggin break. Someone in the camp must've been reading up on so Microsft Business Strategies that day.

And another thing, we "THE BUYING PUBLIC" really don't need to know all of the ins and outs of a record label, you're selling us a product, if you screw up the product, WE AIN'T BUYING IT. [/QUOTE]word, damn, keith, all we want to do is buy the product, sorry [/QUOTE]furthermore he assumes that we don't know anything about record labels and have "zero clue" about how the business runs??

i laid out clearly in an earlier post how, based on my experience, the mainstream business usually runs and how the handling of this album, and others, deviates from that.

if i am wrong then correct me because i am no expert. but all you (keith) are doing is making excuses. i'm sure there are lots of reasons the album is not out, that still doesn't make it good business practices . . .

GROOVE VICTIM

08-18-2003, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mhd:
[qb]). the difference is that I go get what I want... and so I did. No one is arguing your ability to get access to the album, but my point is, how is this going to keep House Music as a Genre and Scene alive.

Throughout the years I've noticed how this Genre has become more exclusive to DJs and Producers, rather than the buying public. Regardless of where the album is distributed, you're digging your own grave (VERY SLOWLY might I add) when it comes to making a profit or getting the word out on a new song or album.

We wonder why the youth haven't grasped our music, or middle america doesn't have a clue as to what kind of music we love and listen to, well here's one of your clues.

When was the last time you heard your friend down the street getting a promo of the latest Lenny Kravitz album?

Peace

Keith Blackstone

08-18-2003, 09:27 AM

Good points by all...

Was gonna say more but I figure better left alone.

One thing for sure... this industry has alot of cleaning up to do, business practice wise.

One thing for sure tho, if people have issues with how Diaspora is doing things, feel free to let me know... my email addy is easy to find or ask me for it.

mhd

08-18-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Good points by all...

Was gonna say more but I figure better left alone.

One thing for sure... this industry has alot of cleaning up to do, business practice wise.

One thing for sure tho, if people have issues with how Diaspora is doing things, feel free to let me know... my email addy is easy to find or ask me for it. good luck, keep doing your thing

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-18-2003, 09:37 AM

What is the difference between this and say Spinna's album not being available domestically. No difference except where they are being imported from. Im sure that Dance Tracks, Satellite, etc..know they would have to charge and arm and a leg to carry EOL. And how many would buy it for that import price. Not many I would guess. You probably would wait for the doemstic to come out just like with the first Nuyorican Soul album.

GROOVE VICTIM

08-18-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
What is the difference between this and say Spinna's album not being available domestically. No difference except where they are being imported from. Im sure that Dance Tracks, Satellite, etc..know they would have to charge and arm and a leg to carry EOL. And how many would buy it for that import price. Not many I would guess. You probably would wait for the doemstic to come out just like with the first Nuyorican Soul album. Good point but will this album be available domestically in Tower Records, The Virgin Mega Store, and Sam Goody like the First Nu Yorical Soul Album? And I'm not talking about just the CD.

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-18-2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
What is the difference between this and say Spinna's album not being available domestically. No difference except where they are being imported from. Im sure that Dance Tracks, Satellite, etc..know they would have to charge and arm and a leg to carry EOL. And how many would buy it for that import price. Not many I would guess. You probably would wait for the doemstic to come out just like with the first Nuyorican Soul album. Good point but will this album be available domestically in Tower Records, The Virgin Mega Store, and Sam Goody like the First Nu Yorical Soul Album? And I'm not talking about just the CD. [/QUOTE]You'd be surprised the vinyl those stores carry in NYC..But anyway I'm not sure there will be vinyl on this album as it would take away from the feel of it.

beaniboy67

08-19-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:

Originally posted by mhd:
[qb]). the difference is that I go get what I want... and so I did. No one is arguing your ability to get access to the album, but my point is, how is this going to keep House Music as a Genre and Scene alive.

Throughout the years I've noticed how this Genre has become more exclusive to DJs and Producers, rather than the buying public. Regardless of where the album is distributed, you're digging your own grave (VERY SLOWLY might I add) when it comes to making a profit or getting the word out on a new song or album.

We wonder why the youth haven't grasped our music, or middle america doesn't have a clue as to what kind of music we love and listen to, well here's one of your clues.

When was the last time you heard your friend down the street getting a promo of the latest Lenny Kravitz album?

Peace graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Thats stinks of the truth!!!Nice one i had to post cos that was funny!! graemlins/respekt.gif

beaniboy67

08-19-2003, 10:42 PM

Whose got the tracklisting infact i wanna go get it and see if its all its cracked up to be!!

beaniboy67

08-19-2003, 10:46 PM

1. Jungle Fever
2. Brand New Day Feat Blaze
3. Derca De Mi Feat Raul Midon
4. Africa / Brasil
5. Nos Inda Feat Adade
6. A Better Day Feat Raul Midon
7. Ma Mi Mama
8. Tu Y Yo Summer Night In Spanish Harlem
9. Quimbombo Feat Domnigo Quinones
10. Canto Para Chango
11. Sunshine
12. Elements Of Life Feat Blaze
13. Mon Amour Feat Adade
14. Mozalounge

Thats it i got it!!Just waitin on it downloading now!!

JuanMa

08-21-2003, 12:51 PM

As I read this post, I didn't realize it was out already in Japan. Ordered it from cdquest.com (34.99) and had it two days later...

The album is pure bliss! Highly recommended.

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Peace,
Juan

Moksha

08-21-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by beaniboy67:

Thats it i got it!!Just waitin on it downloading now!! mad1.gif AR15firing.gif AR15firing.gif graemlins/cussing.gif

beaniboy67

08-21-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaniboy67:

Thats it i got it!!Just waitin on it downloading now!! mad1.gif AR15firing.gif AR15firing.gif graemlins/cussing.gif [/QUOTE]Hey i aint buying shiet all till i hear it and i aint going to fuikin japan to listen to it and then find out i dont want it!!Do you buy records cos someone else says there good??

Hell i bet you dont and i probably give more to record sales by listening to it first before i buy it than i would if i didnt listen to it first!!

Peace

Keith Blackstone

08-21-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by beaniboy67:
Hey i aint buying shiet all till i hear it and i aint going to fuikin japan to listen to it and then find out i dont want it!!Do you buy records cos someone else says there good??

Hell i bet you dont and i probably give more to record sales by listening to it first before i buy it than i would if i didnt listen to it first!!

Peace So if you like it... are you then going to purchase it?

beaniboy67

08-21-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaniboy67:
Hey i aint buying shiet all till i hear it and i aint going to fuikin japan to listen to it and then find out i dont want it!!Do you buy records cos someone else says there good??

Hell i bet you dont and i probably give more to record sales by listening to it first before i buy it than i would if i didnt listen to it first!!

Peace So if you like it... are you then going to purchase it? [/QUOTE]Ive not had much of a chance to go througth it all keith but i already like a few of the tracks that i have on vinyl!If i feel its worth buying it for the other tracks then i will purchase it!I was actually having a conversation about this the other day with someone about tracks someone had recomended to me!I went and dowloaded them and im gonna get them on vinyl in the next week!I think a lot of people are quick to diss someone who does this but at the end of the day it makes more sense as i probably wouldnt buy something if i hadnt heard it firstly.If 50% of people(DJS i mean)actualy done this instead of not buying because they werent beblieving the hype then there would probably be more records sold!

Peace