And as we talk about bullsh*t, the music moves ever forward....

[TAC]

This is some crap I copped this past weekend.

Soul Mix (http://www.vinyl-junkies.co.uk/samples/VJ8314_1.ram)

Yoruba Mix (http://www.vinyl-junkies.co.uk/samples/VJ8314_2.ram)

Peace
TAC

[ September 29, 2003, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[Brian]

any artist info on that one?

[TAC]

Originally posted by Brian:
any artist info on that one? Roland Brival - Sakitayo (Osunlade mixes)

[Dolemite73]

The Osunlade mix is in 5/4....weird....

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
The Osunlade mix is in 5/4....weird.... graemlins/conf44.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[TAC]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
The Osunlade mix is in 5/4....weird.... Either keep up, or get left back.

[Dolemite73]

I am all about musical progress....its just kind of difficult to dance to a song in an odd meter...thats all.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I am all about musical progress....its just kind of difficult to dance to a song in an odd meter...thats all. HUH?

[jimmymack-2000]

Did you find "6/8 Drumz" weird, Dolomite?

[Dolemite73]

ahhh...but 6/8 is stil a derivative of 2/4....

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Did you find "6/8 Drumz" weird, Dolomite? 6/8 drumz is hot but yes weird...

most people in the states dance in a 4/4 pattern... as soon as you change that up, you lose most of the floor... I've seen it happen time and time again.

Dolemites statement made perfect sense.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I am all about musical progress....its just kind of difficult to dance to a song in an odd meter...thats all. HUH? </font>[/QUOTE]For me, it would be hard...not saying that about everyone....you get used to that 4 on the floor beat.....

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
ahhh...but 6/8 is stil a derivative of 2/4.... Isn't it 3/4, like a sped-up waltz?

[Dolemite73]

nope.....that would be 9/8...and 12/8 would be the equivalent of 4/4....just with a triplet feel.....

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Did you find "6/8 Drumz" weird, Dolomite? 6/8 drumz is hot but yes weird...

most people in the states dance in a 4/4 pattern... as soon as you change that up, you lose most of the floor... I've seen it happen time and time again.

Dolemites statement made perfect sense. </font>[/QUOTE]again HUH?


Did we just pass over the early 80s when Luther Vandross came out with "Bad Boy" and Cheri's "Murphy's Law"?

There's really no difference in dancing to an uptempo 6/8 pattern and an uptempo 4/4 rhythm pattern.

Other than the "swing" feel of the 6/8 pattern, there's no adjustment to the time signature as far as the down beat goes.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Did you find "6/8 Drumz" weird, Dolomite? 6/8 drumz is hot but yes weird...

most people in the states dance in a 4/4 pattern... as soon as you change that up, you lose most of the floor... I've seen it happen time and time again.

Dolemites statement made perfect sense. </font>[/QUOTE]again HUH?


Did we just pass over the early 80s when Luther Vandross came out with "Bad Boy" and Cheri's "Murphy's Law"?

There's really no difference in dancing to an uptempo 6/8 pattern and an uptempo 4/4 rhythm pattern.

Other than the "swing" feel of the 6/8 pattern, there's no adjustment to the time signature as far as the down beat goes. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with you on dancing to a song that is 6/8 or 12/8. But try that with a song in 3/4, 9/8, 5/4 or any other odd meter. It's tough.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

"You must unlearn what you have learned."

Yoda: Empire Strikes Back


Mathematics

[Fletch]

Star Suite!!!!

Oh, yeah, Bad Boy is a 4/4 swing.

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Did you find "6/8 Drumz" weird, Dolomite? 6/8 drumz is hot but yes weird...

most people in the states dance in a 4/4 pattern... as soon as you change that up, you lose most of the floor... I've seen it happen time and time again.

Dolemites statement made perfect sense. </font>[/QUOTE]again HUH?


Did we just pass over the early 80s when Luther Vandross came out with "Bad Boy" and Cheri's "Murphy's Law"?

There's really no difference in dancing to an uptempo 6/8 pattern and an uptempo 4/4 rhythm pattern.

Other than the "swing" feel of the 6/8 pattern, there's no adjustment to the time signature as far as the down beat goes. </font>[/QUOTE]Today is not yesterday. And today's crowd doesn't even remember, let alone pay any attention to what may have come before.

You know this...

To further my point... how many people in a club can "really" dance? And we're talkin about all types of clubs, from hard house to deep... some maybe, but most grew up on club culture and similar music (4/4 based), not the 80s references you made. (think wide scale exposure and today's club culture/youth)

So again, the floor/dancers of THIS time are used to a 4/4 patter, and again if you change that pattern you just lost alot of your floor.

Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed.

[ September 30, 2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

[Monny JcIntosh]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0387940944.01.MZZZZZZZ

Mathematics

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by einnod23:
Star Suite!!!!

Oh, yeah, Bad Boy is a 4/4 swing. Slow down "Bad Boy" and compare it to Alicia Key's "Falling", or do the opposite by speeding up "Falling".

Peace

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
The Osunlade mix is in 5/4....weird.... I would like to hear that.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
Star Suite!!!!

Oh, yeah, Bad Boy is a 4/4 swing. Slow down "Bad Boy" and compare it to Alicia Key's "Falling", or do the opposite by speeding up "Falling".

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Falling is in 12/8....a derivative of 4/4....I know mathmatics and I know my time signatures...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:


Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed. End Result

http://www.bouncefm.com/modules/Gallery/Albums/MTS-TobonFields/aag.jpg


Danced us into boredum

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
Star Suite!!!!

Oh, yeah, Bad Boy is a 4/4 swing. Slow down "Bad Boy" and compare it to Alicia Key's "Falling", or do the opposite by speeding up "Falling".

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Falling is in 12/8....a derivative of 4/4....I know mathmatics and I know my time signatures... </font>[/QUOTE]Gee willikers what happened to MUSIC THEORY in this world.

[Dolemite73]

There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work.

[kev]

hahaha. that was funny

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
Star Suite!!!!

Oh, yeah, Bad Boy is a 4/4 swing. Slow down "Bad Boy" and compare it to Alicia Key's "Falling", or do the opposite by speeding up "Falling".

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Falling is in 12/8....a derivative of 4/4....I know mathmatics and I know my time signatures... </font>[/QUOTE]Gee willikers what happened to MUSIC THEORY in this world. </font>[/QUOTE]I am giving you Music theory. 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 all have a triplet or "swing" feel to them. I am a musician. I know exactly what I am talking about. 6/8 is eqivalent to 2/4, 9/8 to 3/4 and 12/8 to 4/4.....just with a triplet feel.....ask any other musician.

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:


Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed. End Result

Danced us into boredum </font>[/QUOTE]I think you have a serious dilusion that "Groove's Way" is the right way.

I'm explaining the reality of how things are today, and all you wanna talk about is "80s references"

That's the same backward logic that people try to use today in business practices (labels, etc) and then they wonder why things don't work.

If you're gonna communicate with people of today you have to do it in their language or at least find a medium.

I'm not about "early 80s" but I sure as hell don't get the results anywhere near that stupid ass picture you posted.

Your sarcasm is noted, but not appreciated.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work. Any Ballet Dancers in this forum?

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work. Any Ballet Dancers in this forum? </font>[/QUOTE]Now can you really compare ballet dancing to club dancing?

[larry rauson]

I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I'm a musician too, why are you "OVER COUNTING"?

Where did you devive the 12/8 pattern, when you can simply devide the pattern in half and get a six 8 pattern.


Note: Now you mathematicians, discard your calculators for this equation because it won't work.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work. Any Ballet Dancers in this forum? </font>[/QUOTE]Now can you really compare ballet dancing to club dancing? </font>[/QUOTE]Think about it for a moment. How many time signatures can a ballet dancer dance to compared to us Ordinary Joes? Who's really in the know?

[ September 30, 2003, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

[TAC]

Ya'll are buggin' AGAIN.

The bottom number in the tiem signature indicate the number of beats to a bar. There are four beats to the bar in this song. Thus, you can dance to it. Follow the kick. WTF?

FWIW, I listened at work, and it does not come across to well; cheesy speakers. However, at home, this thing was thumping, either mix.

Peace
TAC

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I'm a musician too, why are you "OVER COUNTING"?

Where did you devive the 12/8 pattern, when you can simply devide the pattern in half and get a six 8 pattern.


Note: Now you mathematicians, discard your calculators for this equation because it won't work. but 12/8 is not 6/8.....phrasing is different. Try conducting a 12/8 song in 6/8 and it may work, but it will be off due to phrasing....that is like saying 4/4 is really 2/4...and it aint

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry graemlins/rofl.gif

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by TAC:
Follow the kick. WTF?
Peace
TAC You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...

Poor assumption.

[Bill Blake]

There is no such thing as an un-dance-able time signature, just un-dance-able music.

How many tunes are in 4/4 that would even wiggle my dick to when Im finishing taking a piss?

The question is….Is the song TAC posted danceable…as a song?

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry Well school me then....I have only been playing for 16 years now, taught by the Armed Forces School of Music and have played in the Marine Corps band for my first 6 years in the Marines....maybe they taught me wrong....

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
Follow the kick. WTF?
Peace
TAC You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...

Poor assumption. </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed...

[Fletch]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work. Put on Led Zep's "The Ocean".

[Fletch]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry Teach us!

[TAC]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
Follow the kick. WTF?
Peace
TAC You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...

Poor assumption. </font>[/QUOTE]Valid point. But get off it. You telling me that people are following other portions. Belive me, i know its done, but this ain't drum and bass we're talking about here.

I ain't up for no science debate on this, so you can have this one.

Peace
TAC

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry Bwa hahahahahaha

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by einnod23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
There are a lot of rock songs in 7/8...but you dont see any one dancing to them...their is a reason for that...it just doesnt work. Put on Led Zep's "The Ocean". </font>[/QUOTE]You read my mind!!!! graemlins/beerchug.gif

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
Follow the kick. WTF?
Peace
TAC You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...

Poor assumption. </font>[/QUOTE]Valid point. But get off it. You telling me that people are following other portions. Belive me, i know its done, but this ain't drum and bass we're talking about here.

I ain't up for no science debate on this, so you can have this one.

Peace
TAC </font>[/QUOTE]Get off what TAC, the truth? And no I'm not talkin about DnB either, I'm talkin about house. 4/4 stuff...

Nothing for me to "have"... just accept the fact that you're wrong and thinking with tunnel vision about how people dance.

[TAC]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
Follow the kick. WTF?
Peace
TAC You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...

Poor assumption. </font>[/QUOTE]Valid point. But get off it. You telling me that people are following other portions. Belive me, i know its done, but this ain't drum and bass we're talking about here.

I ain't up for no science debate on this, so you can have this one.

Peace
TAC </font>[/QUOTE]Get off what TAC, the truth? And no I'm not talkin about DnB either, I'm talkin about house. 4/4 stuff...

Nothing for me to "have"... just accept the fact that you're wrong and thinking with tunnel vision about how people dance. </font>[/QUOTE]Awwww, come on man, I accepted that I was wrong by saying that you could have this one.

I noticed that somethign was off about it, but it is exactly that, IMO, that makes this song so wide open.

Peace
TAC

[Leslie]

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:


Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed. End Result

http://www.bouncefm.com/modules/Gallery/Albums/MTS-TobonFields/aag.jpg


Danced us into boredum </font>[/QUOTE]On the contrary Groove, another point of view would be the more abstract, the deeper, the more knowledgable you have to be to get into this music, the further you alienate yourself from any semblence of a normal, good sized crowd willing to dance because they like what's being played, and in the end, you're left with 15 people sitting in a room watching you "perform" because you've gotten so deep that they don't know what else to do.

I caught myself this past weekend comparing notes with another DJ, chatting while playing @ the club, and we're talking about how ill "the piano hook is" and how nasty "this conga pattern is" etc... and I felt odd because for a moment I felt like I was losing touch with the crowd on the floor, and people in general by concerning myself so much with all these little nuances and details that 95% of the rest of the world doesn't even notice, and those details were what drove me to play the record (granted, it worked because its still a good song in general, but not really because of any of the specific details I was focusing on).

I listened to this excerpt last night and didn't particularly like it as a dance/club record for basically the same reasons mentioned above. The chord progressions, etc didn't sound "right" enough to move a floor of anyone besides the deepest of the deep, some of which still wouldn't move.

Granted, it might be a really nice song in general, as a stand-alone song, but there a whole lot of songs I like that I don't think are going to move a dance floor.

Just my opinion, and I'll readily admit, in this song specifically, my opinion might change if heard out loud and not in a real audio sample.

On a side note... I own 6/8 drumz, I never play it out, and I've only heard it out a handful of times where it moved a decent portion of the crowd, and it was a very very specific portion of the crowd that it did move. The rest left the dance floor and went and sat down ala that picture.

Peace

[GROOVE VICTIM]

The bottom line is people want to dance and feel good. Put aside their worries for a couple of hours.

FEEL GOOD, if we're so programmed to only mix in a certain way, then IMO we're cheating our customers.

It maybe a differnt time, but when I hear Marvin Gaye's "Pride and Joy", you should see me.


Side note:

Shelly Nicole "Being Me" Imani Records, SLEPT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nicholas]

Hey guys whats going on in this retarded thread?

MATHEMATIKS THATS WUT!

[darrow]

All I know is...

I like it
I'd buy it
I'd dance to it and did have to close my door for a sec just to give it a try.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
I love it when these theory discussions come up, and no one knows what the hell they're typing about.

Dr. Larry future classic DHP post graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Brian]

isn't that new Outkast "Hey Ya" tune in something other than 4/4? .. is it 11/4 maybe?

that has to be one of the most immediately danceable tunes i have heard in a looong time

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
[QUOTE] Today is not yesterday. And today's crowd doesn't even remember, let alone pay any attention to what may have come before.

So again, the floor/dancers of THIS time are used to a 4/4 patter, and again if you change that pattern you just lost alot of your floor.

Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed. I would love to hear mancuso's take on the above statement....and maybe even Francois'....can't quite put my finger on it (let's say I don't want to), but there is something not right with the above statement....I hope you remember to make this point again when there is a discussion on the Loft parties....

...eh, maybe I'm not seeing the point...

[TAC]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Today is not yesterday. And today's crowd doesn't even remember, let alone pay any attention to what may have come before.

So again, the floor/dancers of THIS time are used to a 4/4 patter, and again if you change that pattern you just lost alot of your floor.

Think outside your own circle of experiences/knowledge to a more general point of view. I think you'd be surpriseed. I would love to hear mancuso's take on the above statement....and maybe even Francois'....can't quite put my finger on it (let's say I don't want to), but there is something not right with the above statement....I hope you remember to make this point again when there is a discussion on the Loft parties....

...eh, maybe I'm not seeing the point... </font>[/QUOTE]And for that matter, how do you reconcile your above statement with the following statement:


Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
You're making the assumption that everyone follows the kick...
Poor assumption. And this statement:


Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I'm talkin about house. 4/4 stuff...


[ September 30, 2003, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[larry rauson]

Peace [/qb][/QUOTE]Falling is in 12/8....a derivative of 4/4....I know mathmatics and I know my time signatures... [/qb][/QUOTE]Gee willikers what happened to MUSIC THEORY in this world. [/QB][/QUOTE]


2 POINTS, IN WHAT WORLD IS 12/8, EQUAL, OR SIMILAR TO 4/4, MATHEMATICALLY, WHEN THE HELL IS 1.5 EQUAL TO 1.0, (CONVERTING THE FRACTIONS INTO INTEGERS)...THEORY POINT, THE BOTTOM NUMBER IN A TIME SIG EQUALS THE UNDIVIDED UNIT (BEAT OR PULSE), THE TOP NUMBER EQUALS THE NUMBER OF PULSES IN A MEASURE. EG. 4/4, THE FOUR ON THE BOTTOM REPRESENTS A QUARTER NOTE RECEIVING ONE UNDIVIDED BEAT OR PULSE. THE TOP FOUR REPRESENTS HOW MANY PULSES IN ONE MEASURE. THERE CAN BE NO 3/5, OR 7/9 TIME SIGS, AS THERE ARE NO FIFTH NOTES OR NINTH NOTES IN MUSIC.

LET'S EXPLORE THE 6/8 TIME SIG...EIGHTH NOTE REECEIVES ONE BEAT, WITH SIX BEATS PER MEASURE, WILL USUALLY BE CONDUCTED AS 2/4. BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE TIME SIG IS 6/8, THE QUARTER NOTE GETS ONE PULSE, THE PULSE CAN BE DIVIDED INTO THREE EQUAL PARTS AS A TRIPLET. THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE MAKE THE MISTAKE OF MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT */8 TIME SIGS ARE BASED ON TRIPLETS, THEY ARE BASED ON EIGHTH NOTES. 6/8 CAN ALSO BE CONDUCTED AS 3/4, ALSO KNOWN AS WALTZ TIME, CAN ALSO BE EXPRESSES AS 6/8(2), THIS IS WHERE 6/8 IS CONDUCTED AS 2/4, BUT THE FOUR IS DIVIDED AS A DUPLET INSTEAD OF A TRIPLET. THERE IS SO MUCH THEORY AND SCIENCE TO MUSIC AND IT IS RIGHT THERE IN YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY AND MUSIC SHOP. CHECK IT OUT.

LARRY

[GROOVE VICTIM]

a 6/8 time signature

123456
123456
123456
123456

counting 8th notes for four measures

now where in D hail does

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 come into place?

Peace

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by larry rauson:


2 POINTS, IN WHAT WORLD IS 12/8, EQUAL, OR SIMILAR TO 4/4, MATHEMATICALLY, WHEN THE HELL IS 1.5 EQUAL TO 1.0, (CONVERTING THE FRACTIONS INTO INTEGERS)...THEORY POINT, THE BOTTOM NUMBER IN A TIME SIG EQUALS THE UNDIVIDED UNIT (BEAT OR PULSE), THE TOP NUMBER EQUALS THE NUMBER OF PULSES IN A MEASURE. EG. 4/4, THE FOUR ON THE BOTTOM REPRESENTS A QUARTER NOTE RECEIVING ONE UNDIVIDED BEAT OR PULSE. THE TOP FOUR REPRESENTS HOW MANY PULSES IN ONE MEASURE. THERE CAN BE NO 3/5, OR 7/9 TIME SIGS, AS THERE ARE NO FIFTH NOTES OR NINTH NOTES IN MUSIC.

LET'S EXPLORE THE 6/8 TIME SIG...EIGHTH NOTE REECEIVES ONE BEAT, WITH SIX BEATS PER MEASURE, WILL USUALLY BE CONDUCTED AS 2/4. BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE TIME SIG IS 6/8, THE QUARTER NOTE GETS ONE PULSE, THE PULSE CAN BE DIVIDED INTO THREE EQUAL PARTS AS A TRIPLET. THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE MAKE THE MISTAKE OF MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT */8 TIME SIGS ARE BASED ON TRIPLETS, THEY ARE BASED ON EIGHTH NOTES. 6/8 CAN ALSO BE CONDUCTED AS 3/4, ALSO KNOWN AS WALTZ TIME, CAN ALSO BE EXPRESSES AS 6/8(2), THIS IS WHERE 6/8 IS CONDUCTED AS 2/4, BUT THE FOUR IS DIVIDED AS A DUPLET INSTEAD OF A TRIPLET. THERE IS SO MUCH THEORY AND SCIENCE TO MUSIC AND IT IS RIGHT THERE IN YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY AND MUSIC SHOP. CHECK IT OUT.

LARRY Class, there will be a pop quiz on this on friday.

...TEACH LARRY!!!!

...I remember when you said (paraphrasing, of course) the problem in our scene/music is that there are very little musician....I think your point has been proven!

[ October 01, 2003, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[larry rauson]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
a 6/8 time signature

123456
123456
123456
123456

counting 8th notes for four measures

now where in D hail does

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 come into place?

Peace Groove, I don't have much work to do today so class may be in session all day...the error in your above statement, based on the time sig. is that the time sig refers to only ONE MEASURE...if you look at a piece of music you'll see incomplete measures, and pickups...where that other stuff is coming from, and I'm only making a asssumption here is that people count the phrase length to determine time sig. In reality thats as bad as looking at the last note of a song to determine key.

Larry

[ October 01, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: larry rauson ]

[Matt U]

Sons of Robin Stone "Got to get you back" (ATCO, 1975) - chorus in 5/4. Danceable tune.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
a 6/8 time signature

123456
123456
123456
123456

counting 8th notes for four measures

now where in D hail does

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 come into place?

Peace Groove, I don't have much work to do today so class may be in session all day...the error in your above statement, based on the time sig. is that the time sig refers to only ONE MEASURE...if you look at a piece of music you'll see incomplete measures, and pickups...where that other stuff is coming form, and I'm only making a asssumption here is that people count the phrase length to determine time sig. In reality thats as bad as looking at the last note of a song do determine key.

Larry </font>[/QUOTE]That is definately an error on my part. I had to look for the music sheet for "Semper Fidelis". This song was my introduction to the 6/8 time signature. Prior to reading the music, I always thought that this was a song in 4/4 time so my music teacher had to sit me down and explain to me how the beats per measure were written.