In your own words, what do you think is missing in today's music?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I don't want to hear personal preferences on what "YOU" want to hear, but an overall common thread that you think contributes to the degradation of modern music, music theory, musicians, song writing, composition, and creativity.


Peace

[richierich]

Lack of real music skills.

[JMJ]

The rawness that put house music on the map is missing.......JMJ

[der geile hund]

Playfulness.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

[ September 25, 2003, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[Hk]

Boldness, breath, depth, boundary pushing type of stuff.

[Digiman]

Originality.
Songwriting.

[TAC]

Nothing. Seek, and yea shall find.

Peace
TAC

[ September 25, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[Monny JcIntosh]

Cultivation of personality over conformity.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by TAC:
Nothing. Seek, and yea shal find.

Peace
TAC I was kinda looking for this answer because there is alot of stuff out there that we have yet to hear. IMO this is due in part to the Record Industry's Priority structure.

Sunday night I was watching Dateline on NBC and they had a story on Gloria Estefan and her new album and how she has to "compete" with the likes of Shakira and Ricci Martin.

Another catalyst IMO is our educational system and their decreasing support for Arts, Culture, and music being taught in schools.

Peace

[Shalewa]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I don't want to hear personal preferences on what "YOU" want to hear, but an overall common thread that you think contributes to the degradation of modern music, music theory, musicians, song writing, composition, and creativity.


Peace I think that more than any particular absence there exist a tremendous overabundance of navel gazing. The truth is that instead of experiencing, creating, communicating or contributing to musicdanceculture too many folks so leach the soul force from this thing by critiquing and analyzing that they leave it a pitiable and desiccated crust of what it might be. There is in truth a broader range of sounds, styles and approaches available now if only because there are people who are variously excavating, recreating, deconstructing and fusing all that has happened before, while there is a whole other camp thinking they got THE ONE NEW THING under the sun and they all think that they are some part of the solution to this imaginary problem. I actually must ammend my initial response, there is one thing missing- joy. Y'all need to learn to have some fun.

[lyot]

Originally posted by JMJ:
The rawness that put house music on the map is missing.......JMJ right ! I call that Grittyness, but i do not even know if it's a world in English.. Too lazy to look it up in the dictionary

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I don't want to hear personal preferences on what "YOU" want to hear, but an overall common thread that you think contributes to the degradation of modern music, music theory, musicians, song writing, composition, and creativity.


Peace Consumers who are willing to pay for music and enjoy it for its beauty instead of stealing it or only listening for what's wrong with it instead of the other way around.

Peace

[Fred Naked]

I was listening to the Don Cunningham Quartet - Something for everyone LP (re-issue) last night, and thinking, "wow! what great music!". I think nowadays songs are just too damn simple - just endless loops of the same stuff. The tracks off the LP were breathtaking in their complexity, it seemed as though the pianist was off on his own at some points, playing completely out of key, and time from the group, but then it comes back in and all makes sense. How does that work, i wondered... these guys were quite young, were they just very talented musicians, or was it something about the music itself, either it's complexity or it's uniform chaos. I still don't know. What makes a great song - I'd be rich if I knew! smile.gif

[DLow]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I don't want to hear personal preferences on what "YOU" want to hear, but an overall common thread that you think contributes to the degradation of modern music, music theory, musicians, song writing, composition, and creativity.


Peace IMO, I don't think the problem is the music. It's what's being marketed. There's a lot of garbage being shoved down the throats of listeners/consumers.

[simon b]

Good radio stations with real disk jokeys who aren't afraid to push a song they believe in.

Also, music videos are far too influential.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Fred Naked:
I was listening to the Don Cunningham Quartet - Something for everyone LP (re-issue) last night, and thinking, "wow! what great music!". I think nowadays songs are just too damn simple - just endless loops of the same stuff. The tracks off the LP were breathtaking in their complexity, it seemed as though the pianist was off on his own at some points, playing completely out of key, and time from the group, but then it comes back in and all makes sense. How does that work, i wondered... these guys were quite young, were they just very talented musicians, or was it something about the music itself, either it's complexity or it's uniform chaos. I still don't know. What makes a great song - I'd be rich if I knew! smile.gif Coming from the experience of being in the 7th grade mimicking Chick Corea solos and having my Music Teacher's jaw literally drop to the floor, I can understand your questioning of the artists' talent at such a young age. There are alot of youngsters out there that have the appreciation for Jazz and Classical music passed along from mentors or older relatives and that's such a blessing to these children because they are able to broaden their horizons when it comes to problem solving and creativity. The problem is that I don't see or hear about many Music Teachers on a grade school and high school level who have really "Studied" the history of Jazz and Classical Music.

A few days ago I was setting up some computers in a lab where this music teacher had the students write a report on certain decades in history. Two students talked about the 1940s. There was the mentioning of Bee Bop, but I did not hear the names Charlie Parker or Dizzy Gillepsie in their report. The teacher asked the students to name some of the musians from the Bee Bop era and again these names were not mentioned. So I had to get up and interject and told the two students that you cannot talk about Be Bop without mentioning Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillepsie, then I had to sort of give a history lesson on how these two artists changed the sound of Jazz with their compositions and their style of play. The Music teacher appreciated what I said and was surprised that I knew about these two musicians.

Peace

[ September 25, 2003, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

[Querck]

Yeah, NOTHING!

Seriously, there is so much amazing music out there. It's all up to you to find it, but that makes it kinda special in a way. Even if we're talking about house music, just this week there have been some HOT releases that have not gotten any spotlight even on the DHP, like the new John Arnold/Amp Fiddler, which just tells me that it is all up to every individual to find out, and that's fine, cause the real music lovers out there will find out.

[Mocambo]

Radio PD thinking outside the box. Willing to take a chance.
Labels alloting money for promotion/marketing to these artists.
The average Joe openning up to these artists. Many people here named many artists. My father and I thank you for that. It changes are purchasing habits.

There is a multitude of artist with incredible vision, some on major labels, but you will never hear them. Why? Cause they are not the IN thing.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by TAC:
Nothing. Seek, and yea shall find.

Peace
TAC graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Damn I'm late again... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I could'nt agree more...

[jsd540]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
Yeah, NOTHING!

Seriously, there is so much amazing music out there. It's all up to you to find it, but that makes it kinda special in a way. Some of my favorite memories happened in a record store where someone came to me and said " yoooo check this out "... Magic

[kev]

Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
Yeah, NOTHING!

Seriously, there is so much amazing music out there. It's all up to you to find it, but that makes it kinda special in a way. Some of my favorite memories happened in a record store where someone came to me and said " yoooo check this out "... Magic </font>[/QUOTE]Man, I miss Dub Spot.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Class.

[Bold Soul]

Intent

[ September 25, 2003, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[GrantB]

Interesting harmonic movement

[upliftdisco365]

Content. With very few exceptions, today's popular music lacks any actual content of which to speak. R&B has dwindled down to sparce drum tracks with laughable musicial accompaniment and 3rd rate singers. Pop and progressive rock have also taken nosedives in writing content.

Furthermore, there's added pressure on real writers who want to sell their music, to conform to the shitty standard.

Let's not forget some of these A&R cats, who wouldn't point a goddamn toenail off of the beaten path if their lives depended on it. Spotting a hit takes vision. Many guys/gals in charge of signing new material are so busy gnawing on the most current trend that they probaly let tomorrow's hit slide right through their fingers and onto the unopened pile.

[Jamie 3:26]

Naked women.Not enough.

['Magic' Juan]

Someone who can actually sing without much, if any, help from technology.

magic_juan

[kev]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Content. With very few exceptions, today's popular music lacks any actual content of which to speak. R&B has dwindled down to sparce drum tracks with laughable musicial accompaniment and 3rd rate singers.Lyrics are pretty trite, too.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
Yeah, NOTHING!

Seriously, there is so much amazing music out there. It's all up to you to find it, but that makes it kinda special in a way. Some of my favorite memories happened in a record store where someone came to me and said " yoooo check this out "... Magic </font>[/QUOTE]Man, I miss Dub Spot. </font>[/QUOTE]I miss Downtown (on worth st. in Manhattan ) :(

[ September 25, 2003, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: jsd540 ]

[GrantB]

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
Someone who can actually sing without much, if any, help from technology.

magic_juan It's not just a matter of technique either. The singers of today just do not have the juice. When I listen to Chaka singing Clouds or Aretha singing Get it Right, I get the chills every time because they are so bad ass. That just does not happen with todays singers.

This has been brought up before, but todays singers are young and inexperienced. The formula of youth = sex = sales is killing it. Older musicians are forced by the record companies to "target an older market", which means making ez listening music.

[DLow]

Originally posted by GrantB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magic Juan:
Someone who can actually sing without much, if any, help from technology.

magic_juan It's not just a matter of technique either. The singers of today just do not have the juice. When I listen to Chaka singing Clouds or Aretha singing Get it Right, I get the chills every time because they are so bad ass. That just does not happen with todays singers.

This has been brought up before, but todays singers are young and inexperienced. The formula of youth = sex = sales is killing it. Older musicians are forced by the record companies to "target an older market", which means making ez listening music. </font>[/QUOTE]There is only one known singer in the younger generation that actually gives me chills; Jil Scott does it every time. Most other artists sound like they're singing through their nose. But like I said before, they (meaing major labels, radio, and tv) are shoving what they 'think' the consumer wants down their throats. I'm sure there are other singers out there that SANG...but we're not hearing them (as much).

[GROOVE VICTIM]

To me it seems that the notion of "Singing in your church Choir" automatically excuses you from getting singing lessons in the first place, which is a load of crap if you ask me. But there are alot of male and female singers that sing Gospel that would run circles around many of the pop acts of today.

There are tons of singers out there that can't hold one single note to save their life. Ashanti needs to be put in "Grooming School" to keep her ass from grabbing her hair all the time.

The fact that you can do lil solos and trills with your voice, doesn't mean that you qualify to
get a record deal.


There's too much "product pushing" instead of Artist Developement going on in the industry, and the end result is usually the typical One Hit Wonder we see day in and day out.

Peace

[the crackhouse]

Originally posted by JMJ:
The rawness that put house music on the map is missing.......JMJ That's it, my missing word to describe what I miss in the vocal deep soulfoul cool peace and love house of today...
Stop the love thang, give us the experimental producers who didn't know they were creating a new music style.
Don't you remember the first time when you have been in a house party ? The first totally electronic parties ?
I thought I would never feel the same than my first techno gig in 91 when I've been hypnotised by a mad Dj who was no one at the time, and was playing raw music in his raw style.
And that feeling came back when I searched for "house music history" on google 3 years ago and fell of my chair when I listenned to Frankie at the warehouse in 1977 !

Where are the innocents who made this music come to life ? Who will be able to escape conformism and get into something new again ?
The last electronical music genius I've heard was Felix Kubin live.(German young artist www.felixkubin.de (http://www.felixkubin.de) but the live is better than the records)
It was making you dancing even if you didn't want, and the ambiance was like soulfoul kraftwerk, with a teenage riot as the structure of the tracks. No effects, just live and direct.

I can't imagine what some of you might have experienced in some underground parties in the 80's !