no smoke

[mdpm99]

Greetings Folks:

I have been asked to re-post this several times......so "hear" we go:


The very best way to get stoned on pot is to eat it...no smoke...1/2-2/3 cup, cleaned (basically, a cleaned ounce) in plain Betty Crocker brownie mix. Eat 1/12 on empty tum with coffee, wine, etc. Very crunchy and fibrous...like chocolate hay. It lasts a long time, gives you a no-sh*t high of the best kind, but it costs more. If you've never been, here's about what it feels like:

1. Head: ...will start to swell, feel lighter (helium balloon). Start to get a 'drunk' feeling of sorts but no clumsiness...this gets stronger...thinking is "odd" and different although intact...senses altered - sour more sour, sweet too sweet...light 'alters and changes' slightly and so does sound. Mouth getting 'dry.' All senses become more sensitive (to an observer, you would look normal).
2. Gut: ...closing your eyes will usually send a wave of 'intense pleasure' building up in your gut and spreading...kind of physical orgasm...ends when you open eyes....lasts 10-15 secs...may be multiple. Heart rate will go up...that's normal.
3. Around you: ...music sounds especially nice...movies harder to follow...conversations seem to "change" to you, become more interesting, and so does your speech (but it's actually normal)...your senses can pick out individual sound sources in the room clearly...you're relaxed with a heightened sense of well-being and having fun...(you'll get flashes of suspicion that you aren't being 'normal' but that's all they are).
4. Groin: ...a definite "warm and tingley" feeling in the groin. A definite awareness it's there. And yeah, sex is usually better.
5. Eaties: ...exaggerated. Finger food and sips of whatever to moisten your mouth is enough but some chow down.
6. You: ...you know you're ripped unlike anything you've felt before but everything is still in your control - speech, walking, etc. This is "the Buzz" that you've been looking for. Stays around. You're sure everybody knows you're stoned...but they often don't even notice. Funny stuff is much funnier...you'll laugh to tears often at little or nothing...people/life/card games/Jacouzzi and a beer - are all more interesting. Can't explain it. You don't do anything you normally wouldn't do. Life is good.
7. Like: ...closest comparable experience would be that point in a group of friends when you've had enough booze to get nicely "high"...double that...then add a few new twists that (I think) make it better.
8. Bad Trip: ...rare, less than 1 in 100, nearly always some form of panic from an on-the-edge or kinda borderline-stable personality. Quite safe. Don't sweat it.
9. Hangs around 3 hours and then gradually dissipates (quite 'sober' now - can drive).
Go home and you'll always sleep well, wake up with no hangover whatever.

So you make a batch...invite five couples or equivalent over for the Super Bowl (or any other excuse), B-B-Q, a swim, playing poker, wine sipping, a keg, ...like that...except everyone gets stoned instead of drunk. Like...it's harmless and quite a blast. Ought to try it some time.

smile.gif

d.

Ps.

I gave a first-hand account of what 100s of millions already know and has been written in countless books and magazines.

[Raven Fox]

thank you Sir, may I have another icon_rofl.gif

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/images/1261shows-snb1.jpg

<a href="http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1261.ram" target="_blank">watch Shake 'N' Baked!
with Cici the Tap Dancing Chef (video)</a>

;)

R

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
thank you Sir, may I have another icon_rofl.gif

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/images/1261shows-snb1.jpg

<a href="http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1261.ram" target="_blank">watch Shake 'N' Baked!
with Cici the Tap Dancing Chef (video)</a>

;)

R :D

d

[Brian]

gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Hello Brian:

True....but also the state of mind when ingested.
Ex. You don't want to participate when feeling tired and/or depressed. Or something terrible just happened in your life. Also "set and setting" (environment) can contribute or take away from the experience. If you do it at a zoo you might have an animal experience or in a church might lead to a religious experience, etc.,etc.

It is only a tool/key to open doors of perception(s).

graemlins/beerchug.gif

d

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Very true. I had two female friends who wanted to try the "sacrement," but didn't like the idea of smoking it. They found a recipe for "bhang," a kind of dope milkshake popular among Indian ascetics. They came home with a good half-ounce of compressed imported sensi that they bought off a guy at work, and commenced chopping it up.

Once they'd amassed a considerable pile, they came to me (resident weedhead) and asked, "Is this enough?" It was quite a pile, and they were newbies, so I said "Hmmm, probably." They then gave me the rest of the sensi (several generous grams worth). Well, I felt like I was taking advantage of them, and said "Here, take a bit more...just in case."

I went out that night, came home about 2:30 a.m. to two young women in two very different states: one was semi-comatose, sitting in a chair in the middle of the basement, alone, with a trail of vomit leading from the chair to the bathroom. The other, wild-eyed, grabbed me by the collar as soon as I came in the door and demanded that I "make her normal again." Two days later, she was still tripping (or so she thought) and was convinced she had done some permanent damage to herself.

Cannibis emptor...

[John Hall]

With all due respect,
Marijuana has to be COOKED to make you high.

Cooking heats the THC to a high enough temperature
to activate the psychoactive component, just as
when it is smoked.

Ingesting cooked marijuana (brownies etc)
is definitely much healthier than smoking
marijuana.

Here's one reference that describes the
chemistry of cooking versus raw:


http://snurl.com/2lyn

Here's some more interesting reading:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-304743.html

It's a testament to the amazing power of the
PLACEBO EFFECT
that folks "get high" from ingesting un-cooked
marijuana.

I myself have tried it repeatedly since 1967,
no luck whatsover.

On the other hand, I had some amazing brownies
2 weeks ago...

MMMMMMMM good!

But since I don't have a kitchen right now, it's
time to....

[ October 08, 2003, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: John Hall ]

[Brian]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Hello Brian:

True....but also the state of mind when ingested.
Ex. You don't want to participate when feeling tired and/or depressed. Or something terrible just happened in your life. Also "set and setting" (environment) can contribute or take away from the experience. If you do it at a zoo you might have an animal experience or in a church might lead to a religious experience, etc.,etc.

It is only a tool/key to open doors of perception(s).

graemlins/beerchug.gif

d </font>[/QUOTE]yes, as with any drug.

i just think it needs to be stated that it is very possible to eat yourself into a bad trip regardless of your mental state. err on the side of too little is my advice.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Very true. I had two female friends who wanted to try the "sacrement," but didn't like the idea of smoking it. They found a recipe for "bhang," a kind of dope milkshake popular among Indian ascetics. They came home with a good half-ounce of compressed imported sensi that they bought off a guy at work, and commenced chopping it up.

Once they'd amassed a considerable pile, they came to me (resident weedhead) and asked, "Is this enough?" It was quite a pile, and they were newbies, so I said "Hmmm, probably." They then gave me the rest of the sensi (several generous grams worth). Well, I felt like I was taking advantage of them, and said "Here, take a bit more...just in case."

I went out that night, came home about 2:30 a.m. to two young women in two very different states: one was semi-comatose, sitting in a chair in the middle of the basement, alone, with a trail of vomit leading from the chair to the bathroom. The other, wild-eyed, grabbed me by the collar as soon as I came in the door and demanded that I "make her normal again." Two days later, she was still tripping (or so she thought) and was convinced she had done some permanent damage to herself.

Cannibis emptor... </font>[/QUOTE]Rare. But I would first question the main ingredient as being kosher so to speak. Some stuff out there should carefully obtained like you would with food. I have known of some "off the wall" merchants that would add cat piss to get that "skunk smell" in some cases.

Make sure it is 100%....like anything else.

In the in the meantime I visualized the whole scene that you described in my mind. :eek: Was it like their first time??

d

[ October 08, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Rare. But I would first question the main ingrident as being kosher so to speak. Some stuff out there should carefully obtained like you would with food. I have known of some "off the wall" merchants that would add cat piss to get that "skunk smell" in some cases.
You are probably right, David. This was the sweet, earthy compressed stuff; in a country like Canada, you can count on this stuff being imported from warmer climes. I am sure the use of paraquat and other pesticides is still common among tropical outdoor growers.


Originally posted by david mancuso:

Was it like their first time??
Yes it was. The funny thing is, though, I have heard that THC is water-soluble, and is stored in the body's fat cells. There is this phenomenon that first-time users apparently have where they don't feel anything, because their cells don't contain enough THC yet. I'm not sure how true that is, though: the first time I tried it I was definitely zooted!

[Brian]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Very true. I had two female friends who wanted to try the "sacrement," but didn't like the idea of smoking it. They found a recipe for "bhang," a kind of dope milkshake popular among Indian ascetics. They came home with a good half-ounce of compressed imported sensi that they bought off a guy at work, and commenced chopping it up.

Once they'd amassed a considerable pile, they came to me (resident weedhead) and asked, "Is this enough?" It was quite a pile, and they were newbies, so I said "Hmmm, probably." They then gave me the rest of the sensi (several generous grams worth). Well, I felt like I was taking advantage of them, and said "Here, take a bit more...just in case."

I went out that night, came home about 2:30 a.m. to two young women in two very different states: one was semi-comatose, sitting in a chair in the middle of the basement, alone, with a trail of vomit leading from the chair to the bathroom. The other, wild-eyed, grabbed me by the collar as soon as I came in the door and demanded that I "make her normal again." Two days later, she was still tripping (or so she thought) and was convinced she had done some permanent damage to herself.

Cannibis emptor... </font>[/QUOTE]Rare. But I would first question the main ingredient as being kosher so to speak. Some stuff out there should carefully obtained like you would with food. I have known of some "off the wall" merchants that would add cat piss to get that "skunk smell" in some cases.

Make sure it is 100%....like anything else.

In the in the meantime I visualized the whole scene that you described in my mind. :eek: Was it like their first time??

d </font>[/QUOTE]I've heard of people puking from brownies before.

I ate too much once and felt like I was going to puke. Not pleasant.

[mdpm99]

thc will remain in one's system for about 30 days

d

[jimmymack-2000]

I should add that my own experiences with eating it have been quite pleasant...none of the paranoid, mind-has-been-completely-wiped-clean jitters you can get from smoking

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Brian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested Very true. I had two female friends who wanted to try the "sacrement," but didn't like the idea of smoking it. They found a recipe for "bhang," a kind of dope milkshake popular among Indian ascetics. They came home with a good half-ounce of compressed imported sensi that they bought off a guy at work, and commenced chopping it up.

Once they'd amassed a considerable pile, they came to me (resident weedhead) and asked, "Is this enough?" It was quite a pile, and they were newbies, so I said "Hmmm, probably." They then gave me the rest of the sensi (several generous grams worth). Well, I felt like I was taking advantage of them, and said "Here, take a bit more...just in case."

I went out that night, came home about 2:30 a.m. to two young women in two very different states: one was semi-comatose, sitting in a chair in the middle of the basement, alone, with a trail of vomit leading from the chair to the bathroom. The other, wild-eyed, grabbed me by the collar as soon as I came in the door and demanded that I "make her normal again." Two days later, she was still tripping (or so she thought) and was convinced she had done some permanent damage to herself.

Cannibis emptor... </font>[/QUOTE]Rare. But I would first question the main ingredient as being kosher so to speak. Some stuff out there should carefully obtained like you would with food. I have known of some "off the wall" merchants that would add cat piss to get that "skunk smell" in some cases.

Make sure it is 100%....like anything else.

In the in the meantime I visualized the whole scene that you described in my mind. :eek: Was it like their first time??

d </font>[/QUOTE]I've heard of people puking from brownies before.

I ate too much once and felt like I was going to puke. Not pleasant. </font>[/QUOTE]Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d

[Brian]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d i've never had the .. umm .. pleasure? .. of trying peyote, though it's always been intriguing to me .. all that talk of "buttons" smile.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by John Hall:
With all due respect,
Marijuana has to be COOKED to make you high.

Cooking heats the THC to a high enough temperature
to activate the psychoactive component, just as
when it is smoked.

Ingesting cooked marijuana (brownies etc)
is definitely much healthier than smoking
marijuana.

Here's one reference that describes the
chemistry of cooking versus raw:


http://snurl.com/2lyn

Here's some more interesting reading:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-304743.html

It's a testament to the amazing power of the
PLACEBO EFFECT
that folks "get high" from ingesting un-cooked
marijuana.

I myself have tried it repeatedly since 1967,
no luck whatsover.

On the other hand, I had some amazing brownies
2 weeks ago...

MMMMMMMM good!

But since I don't have a kitchen right now, it's
time to.... Cooking/baking is another path. With regard to eating rawly, I have eaten Hashish many a time (roll amount in between your finger and thumb for about an hour or so...this allows you to bond chemically with it b-4 eating..digest under tongue slowly). If that doesn't work for you John then I will eat my hat next time.

There are some coinsures that will not put any flame whatsoever to the plant.

This is considered a sin.

d

[ October 08, 2003, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[John Hall]

Originally posted by Brian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d i've never had the .. umm .. pleasure? .. of trying peyote, though it's always been intriguing to me .. all that talk of "buttons" smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I did it once...utterly amazing.
I read up on it first, and blended the absolutely
foul-tasting stuff with Haagen Dasz ice-cream and
milk and STILL FELT NAUSEOUS, but didn't puke.

The high was spiritual and intense, lasting about
6 hours for me, and I was able to sleep with no
problem.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d ahhhh.. PEYOTE BUTTONS.

"i get high with a little help from my friends..."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/104-Peyotebuttoncity.jpg

[Brian]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d ahhhh.. PEYOTE BUTTONS.

"i get high with a little help from my friends..."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/104-Peyotebuttoncity.jpg </font>[/QUOTE]woah cool pic .. are they really that blue?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
Normal with peyote.....when you puke graemlins/puke.gif is when the "rush" comes on.

d ahhhh.. PEYOTE BUTTONS.

"i get high with a little help from my friends..."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/104-Peyotebuttoncity.jpg </font>[/QUOTE]You are on a roll tonight, Raven! smile.gif Pun intended.

d

Teachings of Don Juan

[Raven Fox]

cheers graemlins/beerchug.gif David & DHPers

still smoking. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/joint.gif

[U]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
thc will remain in one's system for about 30 days

d If you eat it, it doesn't stay in your system as long...plus, THC is stored in your body's fat cells, so the fatter you are the longer it stays.

[Jolyon]

Never come across peyote but I once had a bite out of a red and white spotted mushroom that took me onto a different plane of existance for a few hours. I played chess with a friend who had also taken a bite (it had been cooked before hand) and we 'got into the game' ie. both thought we were part of the chess set!!!

[Jolyon]

P.S.
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=036956

[AD]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
thank you Sir, may I have another icon_rofl.gif

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/images/1261shows-snb1.jpg

<a href="http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1261.ram" target="_blank">watch Shake 'N' Baked!
with Cici the Tap Dancing Chef (video)</a>

;)

R (in my best Homer voice)mmmmmmmmm....brownies. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

[muel]

Teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda, love that book.

[%seRge%]

Originally posted by muel:
Teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda, love that book. You beat me to it. I read about 3 of Carlos' books from the Don Juan series.......changed my life. :D

[ivanjb]

Support Lobster Man!

Send Brownies!

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[lyot]

eating marijuana is far more dangerous then smoking it . I've never seen someone go really bad after smoking marijuana (except in combinatio with alcohol) but it's happened so often already that people who ate went totally berserk and started tripping..When I eat it, I sometime have real hallucinations, a thing that never happens while smoking..I think it can, in a sense, be compared with taking LSD or Mushrooms..And also that you better progress from smoking to eating, in order not to be too 'surprised'as a newbie..

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by ivanjb:
Support Lobster Man!

Send Brownies!

Lobster Man is in hot water (http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/lobsterman9.htm) smile.gif

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by lyot:
eating marijuana is far more dangerous then smoking it . I've never seen someone go really bad after smoking marijuana (except in combinatio with alcohol) but it's happened so often already that people who ate went totally berserk and started tripping..When I eat it, I sometime have real hallucinations, a thing that never happens while smoking..I think it can, in a sense, be compared with taking LSD or Mushrooms..And also that you better progress from smoking to eating, in order not to be too 'surprised'as a newbie.. Greetings lyot:

The Psychedelic Experience (based on the Tibetian Book of the Dead/Timothy Leary & Richard Albert)

d

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
The Psychedelic Experience (based on the Tibetian Book of the Dead/Timothy Leary & Richard Albert)

d http://www.deanchamberlain.com/pioneers/images/leary_big.jpg

Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD ~ a great man!

Quotes from The Psychedelic Experience:
(long, but interesting read BEFORE the trip ;) )

First Bardo Instructions
O (name of voyager = YOU)
The time has come for you to seek new levels of reality.
Your ego and the (name) game are about to cease.
Your are about to be set face to face with the Clear Light
Your are about to experience it in its reality.
In the ego-free state, wherein all things are like the void and cloudless sky,
And the naked spotless intellect is like a transparent vacuum;
At this moment, know yourself and abide in that state.
O (name of voyager),
That which is called ego-death is coming to you.
Remember:
This is now the hour of death and rebirth;
Take advantage of this temporary death to obtain the perfect state -
Enlightenment.
Concentrate on the unity of all living beings.
Hold onto the Clear Light.
Use it to attain understanding and love.

If you cannot maintain the bliss of illumination and if you are slipping back into contact with the external world,
Remember:
The hallucinations which you may now experience,
The visions and insights,
Will teach you much about yourself and the world.
The veil of routine perception will be torn from you eyes.
Remember the unity of all living things.
Remember the bliss of the Clear Light.
Let it guide you through the visions of this experience.
Let it guide you through your new life to come.
If you feel confused; call upon the memory of your friends and the power of the person whom you most admire.

O (name),
Try to reach and keep the experience of the Clear Light.
Remember:
The light is the life energy.
The endless flame of life.
An ever-changing surging turmoil of color may engulf your vision.
This is the ceaseless transformation of energy.
The life process.
Do not fear it.
Surrender to it.
Join it.
It is part of you.
You are part of it.
Remember also:
Beyond the restless flowing electricity of life is the ultimate reality -
The Void.
Your own awareness, not formed into anything possessing form or color, is naturally void.
The Final Reality.
The All Good.
The All Peaceful.
The Light.
The Radiance.
The movement is the fire of life from which we all come.
Join it.
It is part of you.
Beyond the light of life is the peaceful silence of the void.
The quiet bliss beyond all transformations.
The Buddha smile.
The Void is not nothingness.
The Void is beginning and end itself.
Unobstructed; shining, thrilling, blissful.
Diamond consciousness.
The All-Good Buddha.
Your own consciousness, not formed into anything,
No thought, no vision, no color, is void.
The intellect shining and blissful and silent -
This is the state of perfect enlightenment.
Your own consciousness, shining, void and inseparable from the great body of radiance, has no birth, nor death.
It is the immutable light which the Tibetans call Buddha Amitabha,
The awareness of the formless beginning.
Knowing this is enough.
Recognize the voidness of your own consciousness to be Buddhahood.
Keep this recognition and you will maintain the state of the divine mind of the Buddha.

===========================

it goes on... HERE (http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psychedelic_experience/tib4.html)

better yet - READ THIS BOOK!!!

another good read,
THE POLITICS of ECSTASY
Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD

R graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Hello Kitty]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
thank you Sir, may I have another icon_rofl.gif

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/images/1261shows-snb1.jpg

<a href="http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1261.ram" target="_blank">watch Shake 'N' Baked!
with Cici the Tap Dancing Chef (video)</a>

;)

R Very nice spread Mr. Fox.

graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ October 09, 2003, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: Hello Kitty ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
thank you Sir, may I have another icon_rofl.gif

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/images/1261shows-snb1.jpg

<a href="http://www.pot-tv.net/ram/pottvshowse1261.ram" target="_blank">watch Shake 'N' Baked!
with Cici the Tap Dancing Chef (video)</a>

;)

R Very nice spread Mr. Fox.

graemlins/thumbsup.gif </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/grinyes.gif thanks!

please enjoy the little video clip too! ;)

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:

http://www.deanchamberlain.com/pioneers/images/leary_big.jpg

Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD ~ a great man!
With not so great taste in interior design.

[Jolyon]

Proof that taking two purple ohms and a microdot before going to Habitat is not a good idea.

[Jolyon]

Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream
It is not dying, It is not dying.
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void
It is shining, oh it is shining.
That you may see the meaning of within
It is beginning, oh it is beginning.

That love is all and love is ev'ryone
It is knowing, oh it is knowing.
And ignorance and hate may mourn the dead
It is believing, oh it is believing.
So play the game, existence to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning.

Of the beginning, of the beginning...


Or something...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:

http://www.deanchamberlain.com/pioneers/images/leary_big.jpg

Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD ~ a great man!
With not so great taste in interior design. </font>[/QUOTE]......it's all in the mind.

;)

d

[mdpm99]

hail.gif thank you Raven for posting re the Psycheldelic Experience book!

graemlins/grinyes.gif

d

[ October 09, 2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[lola desire]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
P.S.
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=036956 wow... i'm sorry i missed that the first time around. thanks for re-posting

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
hail.gif thank you Raven for posting re the Psycheldelic Experience book!

graemlins/grinyes.gif

d no, thank YOU! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/praise2.gif

tis you that you got me started sir... ;)

...pass the peace pipe, pass the peace pipe

[muel]

Originally posted by %seRge%:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by muel:
Teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda, love that book. You beat me to it. I read about 3 of Carlos' books from the Don Juan series.......changed my life. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Hey seRge, me too but Ive only read the 1st but this has reminded me to read the others too. smile.gif

P.s. with the other books mentioned by Raven and David (Tim Leary R.I.P.) I believe one can avoid bad trips altogether.
Its certainly help me learn a lot more and put more meaning to my trips into inner space.

[muel]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Never come across peyote but I once had a bite out of a red and white spotted mushroom that took me onto a different plane of existance for a few hours. I played chess with a friend who had also taken a bite (it had been cooked before hand) and we 'got into the game' ie. both thought we were part of the chess set!!! Hey Jolyon, could you remember much after? as Ive read that with these types you get a bit of amnesea.
Ive tried the small gold top variety on a number of occasions as they grow wild in my area. smile.gif

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by muel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
Never come across peyote but I once had a bite out of a red and white spotted mushroom that took me onto a different plane of existance for a few hours. I played chess with a friend who had also taken a bite (it had been cooked before hand) and we 'got into the game' ie. both thought we were part of the chess set!!! Hey Jolyon, could you remember much after? as Ive read that with these types you get a bit of amnesea.
Ive tried the small gold top variety on a number of occasions as they grow wild in my area. smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not really no...just a vague feeling that I was a chess piece...haha. I'm sure we both sat there and talked bollocks for 4 hours and then passed out.

[JMNYC]

great post David! Welcome back smile.gif

I have a great recipe for chocolate cake, too (as anyone who's attended my birthday bashes can attest to) - I'll post it from home...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by muel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by %seRge%:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by muel:
Teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda, love that book. You beat me to it. I read about 3 of Carlos' books from the Don Juan series.......changed my life. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Hey seRge, me too but Ive only read the 1st but this has reminded me to read the others too. smile.gif

P.s. with the other books mentioned by Raven and David (Tim Leary R.I.P.) I believe one can avoid bad trips altogether.
Its certainly help me learn a lot more and put more meaning to my trips into inner space. </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Muel:

You bring forth a very good point.

These are all just tools. One has to used their minds and not just expect that if one "drops" a substance whether it be just a joint all the way up to a tab that one automatically will get high or will have a trip. We must go out of our minds to come to our senses and that takes a lot of work, dedication and preperation....nothing is just handed to us.

Also there are other paths to enlightement without the use of drugs.....again they are tools and short cuts for the most part.

d

[ October 10, 2003, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[the crackhouse]

Originally posted by Brian:
gotta disagree on #8

bad trips are probably more dependant on the quality/type of weed used, and how much is ingested It's not the weed quality, it's the trip quality, if you sit in your basement with no lights on and start to sing Bjork songs, then it will end bad.

If there is something to give to the weed its full power, then the trip will be good.

It's mental, don't forget that drugs don't work on our brain (except LSD), they are just modifying some of our organs ways of working.
Cocain speeds up the blood pressure and slow down some of our stomach activities, but it does not affect our brain activities. It's our excitation when feeling our body activities changing that provides the effects.

So the bad trip is YOURS, not the weed making you her slave.

[the crackhouse]

Originally posted by muel:
Teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda, love that book. Muel : did you know that it was all lies ?
Castaneda wrote these books and disapeared to make his readers believe that he was under Don Juan's magical teaching in the mexico mountains. It was all false and in 96 or 97 (don't remember), he was spotted by some journalists, writers and shamans who proved that he was lying.
It is just some commercial writer who took the good market : spiritual drug exeperiment(ers).
Like "The andes prophecy", which is absolutly dumb book, but maked the writer a milionaire.

"Don't believe this shit, just experiment and stop dreaming.
Castaneda's books are some puzzle of shamanism, buddhism, and some esoteric movements that this genius writer melted in some 10 books over 20 years. Easy money but total Bullshit.
You don't have to read behind the lines to see clearly that Carlos has lost his ingenious saga structure in some paradoxs and bad writting organisation, and the problem beggins at the third book." Alejandro Jodorowski, 1991, about Castaneda's books.

[muel]

Hi idancetoomuch,
I did read that and no doubt theres some truth in it but I still like book(the 1st one that is), it sparked my interest to learn more.
Have you actually read the book?
At the end of the day its still a good story, even if its part fact part fiction.

[ October 11, 2003, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: muel ]

[muel]

[/QUOTE]Greetings Muel:

You bring forth a very good point.

These are all just tools. One has to used their minds and not just expect that if one "drops" a substance whether it be just a joint all the way up to a tab that one automatically will get high or will have a trip. We must go out of our minds to come to our senses and that takes a lot of work, dedication and preperation....nothing is just handed to us.

Also there are other paths to enlightement without the use of drugs.....again they are tools and short cuts for the most part.

d [/QB][/QUOTE]

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Greetings David,

I couldnt agree more. smile.gif

[ October 11, 2003, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: muel ]

[Javier Drada]

The Ultimate book...

http://www.yogalifestyle.com/BeHereNowMD.jpg

[Javier Drada]

The Ultimate book...

http://www.yogalifestyle.com/BeHereNowMD.jpg

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by idancetoomuch:

It's mental, don't forget that drugs don't work on our brain (except LSD), they are just modifying some of our organs ways of working.
Cocain speeds up the blood pressure and slow down some of our stomach activities, but it does not affect our brain activities. It's our excitation when feeling our body activities changing that provides the effects.
Cocaine's psychological effects are produced by its stopping the normal mopping up of free dopamine in the pleasure centres of the brain. Unless you mean by "brain" some kind of Cartesian mind and are talking idancetoomuch metaphysics, cocaine, along with most recreational drugs, does affect the brain. Are you on that pipe again? ;)

[Reggie]

David

You are definetely Teacher

.....and Grasshopper thanks you for the latest lesson graemlins/respekt.gif

[the crackhouse]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by idancetoomuch:

It's mental, don't forget that drugs don't work on our brain (except LSD), they are just modifying some of our organs ways of working.
Cocain speeds up the blood pressure and slow down some of our stomach activities, but it does not affect our brain activities. It's our excitation when feeling our body activities changing that provides the effects.
Cocaine's psychological effects are produced by its stopping the normal mopping up of free dopamine in the pleasure centres of the brain. Unless you mean by "brain" some kind of Cartesian mind and are talking idancetoomuch metaphysics, cocaine, along with most recreational drugs, does affect the brain. Are you on that pipe again? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not the speaking of the good of the english, that's all...
What I meant is that the drug molecules are not modifying the brain cells, they just make some organs work differently but they don't modify the cells.
So in the cocain example, it's not the brain which is working differently, it's the "long multiboned thing you have all along your back containing the nerves and that goes from the brain to the butt" (dunno the word)that is modified in it's behavior and also the stomach and the eyes.
But the brain is not working differently, it recepts new infos from some body organs and so have different reactions to this new and strange informations.

LSD is the only drug (from what I know) which open some connections in the brain in the electrical connections (can't find the translation of course...), that's why LSD is so hallucinative drug.

But drugs don't affect your brains, it affect your organs, which later will affect your brain.

And the fact that people know that they took a drug amplifies their reaction to the drug.

And remember Jonny that the piepe iz allll goood and god fhor your braains heee heee heeeeeee

[the crackhouse]

Originally posted by Javier Drada:
The Ultimate book...

http://www.yogalifestyle.com/BeHereNowMD.jpg What does this book talk about ? I don't know it...

[mdpm99]

Dear Folks:

just want to take a second to thank all for your responses and making this a productive and interesting thread.......

having puter probs so I am off to repair at the moment


graemlins/respekt.gif to all,

d