Can the chicago muzic scene be united like the past.. [Archive]

05-01-2003, 05:30 PM

I aint no fish but I am biting on this 1 (as the author, if they considered 'Hk!'s' thought process [and action process], knew I would.

HELL YEAH!

Should and could be better than that...we need Fingers back....but there are tons of brotha and sistas who enjoy the music.....(this has too many angles to attack and I feel like a f*cking carp right at this moment but no shame cuz this aint no game).

Man, if these dudes came together and believed in the large collective--WHICH--gets everybody paid.....and each supported each in some way, shape or fashion---they'd be paid and doing what they enjoy most. Their own boss. And again, as Malcolm said, we now have to put aside our petty differences and come to see and treat each other under a new light.

Actions speak louder than words, FYI, I got energy by the tons and deem it worthy of trying for....(but of what of you?)

Don't matter, when the time is right, I'll ask any of you cats to come to the table for something larger.....but, ya cant be a snitch, TOM, Fed, ex-G-boy, or Central.....(some things cant be set aside).....

Is that what you wanted to see.....

graemlins/acclaim.gif

(ps, the real Big pieces have to believe first, not the grunts like me....)

Peace!

däp

05-01-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
I just wanted to know, if you think that the
chicago scene, can macth up to the past.
because back in the days, the house scene was
pretty tight.
chicago had unity and respect for others.
please tell me what you think.... graemlins/acclaim.gif When exactly was this??.....JMJ [/QUOTE]ditto

05-02-2003, 05:17 AM

A couple other side comments....

To JMJ and torin: (considering your response)..

If it never happened and isnt now, doesnt that mean U aint doing shit? (i.e., taking/making steps for it to happen)....no offense and I aint trying to be brash, just looking at it for what it is....(maybe)

Does anybody think big around here? What about the whole scene and changing it....If music is tool, then why do you cats feel so unempowered...?

FYI, the moment I stop believing.....Im out!

I get the feeling their agents in the camp sowing dissension or, flat-out, U egotistical muthasumthins dont want nothing but confusion......cuz when you want something, The Creator typcially gives it to you---

DJJM3.COM

05-02-2003, 06:19 AM

Unfortunatly until African Americans embrace House as a "Black Thang". It will stay pretty much as it is now........

JMJ

05-02-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Hk:
A couple other side comments....

To JMJ and torin: (considering your response)..

If it never happened and isnt now, doesnt that mean U aint doing shit? (i.e., taking/making steps for it to happen)....no offense and I aint trying to be brash, just looking at it for what it is....(maybe)

Does anybody think big around here? What about the whole scene and changing it....If music is tool, then why do you cats feel so unempowered...?

FYI, the moment I stop believing.....Im out!

I get the feeling their agents in the camp sowing dissension or, flat-out, U egotistical muthasumthins dont want nothing but confusion......cuz when you want something, The Creator typcially gives it to you--- Hk - For those of us around for the "first wave" of Chicago house (the beginning), PLUR never existed, sad to say, which properly explains the reactions to the earlier post by Torin and I. I'm not going to dwell on the negatives, because that was almost 20 years ago and it's pointless, but it never existed. I walked away from the Chciago scene in 1987 and never looked back before re-emerging last year. While I stayed active as a DJ, I avoided the Chicago scene altogether, continuing to build on what I started in the south suburbs and NW Indiana. The idea of unity is a good one, especially now when you've got more DJ's than venues, and everybody is fighting for a sliver of what's left of the pie, and a collective of ideas and resources may be the only thing that can save the scene in Chicago. I'm willing to listen and work with virtually anybody with the same vision of what could be, and I know who my friends are. Will PLUR happen here amongst the movers and shakers in Chicago?? Only time will tell, but don't hold your breath.....JMJ

Koffy Brown

05-02-2003, 08:28 AM

I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it...

Jamie 3:26

05-02-2003, 08:34 AM

Music and Whine-Blue 6.

Honestly my opinion on this...hell naw.I have seen and experienced the shit that goes down.Folks can be downright funky when it comes to this dj shit.Folks will be cool with ya until you start doing some shit that is knockin at their ass or better than what they are on.I know now from experience who is cool and who is real.I know who the fakes and phonies are.That's one reason why I do not go to a lot of events here.If you see me out ,it's usually at the same spots I hit up when I do venture out.

I have had folks say ill shit about me,lie on me,smile in my face and spit in my drink,if ya get my drift.Experiencing this had turned me into a totally different person.I do not know how famous people do it.Not saying I am famous and shit,no ego trippin' here.Now I understand why some of them have drug and alcohol problems....

JMJ

05-02-2003, 08:42 AM

I didn't think you noticed the spit in your beer. Good eyes. It was mostly phlegm....JMJ biggrinangel.gif

Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge

05-02-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it... Very perceptive, Miss Ashaki. I totally agree with moving the scene and exposing virgin ears to it. It would be to the benefit of the music and help in it's survival.

We're beating a dead horse here in Chicago.

05-02-2003, 02:17 PM

Hmmmm.....I hear ya.

Thanks for taking it the way I meant it, not abrasive like I always come off (my apologies).

Well 3:26 we both got 9's, and me a host of other shit, how bout we wear Klan helmuts and liquidate these haters!...(teasing, but I feel this way often)....

Working togehter can only create new energy, new blood, new vibes....new times, new connections and networks, new ideas, more resources and perhaps success! What the hell gives?

I guess I should ask does anyone want cohesion and a better tomorrow? (F-that Mass PLUR notion)

Cinci area; its good to broaden the distance and depth of House listeners. If people are as intelligent as they purport, they'd come up with ways of doing what they wanna do(but sheeez, that maybe what they're doing now----hating and causing dissension among our people). Every city or town is important, but we have to first make sure the culture of House music is redefined!....(sorry, I dont buy, for one nano-second, that the music is homosexual music. Yeah sure some where, many werent!...Some are, I aint, so once the stigma of it being Gay music is detached, I'd imagine, DJ JM3, that more African Americans would support it!(I do agree with you tho)....

Worry not, as I develop, you'll be hearing from me on this indispensable crisis.

däp

05-02-2003, 03:46 PM

däp

05-02-2003, 03:52 PM

[ May 02, 2003, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: torin ]

fred da warrior

05-02-2003, 03:53 PM

I think some of us confuse unity with uniformity.....

SMOOTH87

05-02-2003, 06:53 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
[QB] Music and Whine-Blue 6.

Folks will be cool with ya until you start doing some shit that is knockin at their ass or better than what they are on.I know now from experience who is cool and who is real.I know who the fakes and phonies are.

Ditto... The funny thing is that when you look closely at the negatives and haters you notice they have not put their work in to get somewhere but they are the first to pass judgement. If you work hard it will pay off... You are dead in the game when you stop striving to do better and to improve yourself. Never get comfortable...

It would be nice if their could be unity.....

Boo Williams

05-03-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by fred:
I think some of us confuse unity with uniformity..... I'm not confuse with the word unity,
let me just tell you what I mean.
back in the day their was a such thing as unity
in the chi.
because it was so many parties going on, and
people always were their supporting each other
event.
you see, their was not that many dj's out playing
like their is now.
because they were either at the Ron or frankie
lil louis party.
chicago had a lot of things going on with the
party scene.
so it had to be some type of unity their,
everybody I was kickin it with was trying to
go to every Damn party they could.
just think about all the party and events
you went to.
their had to be some type of unity. and to
see the same people at every party you went to.
come on man be for real... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ May 03, 2003, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: I'm a Friend ]

05-03-2003, 07:06 AM

That's good advice Smooth87....

(personally, I tend to be very judgemental, but I honestly mean it---I believe with love (the type of criticism that you mean constructively) with slight tinges of personal bias, I cant lie!

Overall, the same thing would imply in Life too, hunh.

On point though, Torin I dont believe black people ever had unity, but the concept alone scares people off. It's worthy of work for.

3:26, I agree sometimes with a comment you made in another thread--about not sharing ALL your ideas on this thing, but this aint the tip of the iceberg for me..... smile.gif ....so, its no thing.

I aint trying to change no body save myself, and hopefully muthaF*ckas will get the same picture, and start approaching some model of good and productivity, where, WE CAN FEED OUR FAMLIES, in the future.

"We have to begin to see ourselves in a new light, with respect as brotha and sistas"....then everything will change around us!

(this battle is worth fighting for) mad1.gif

däp

05-03-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
I'm not confuse with the word unity,
let me just tell you what I mean.
back in the day their was a such thing as unity
in the chi.
because it was so many parties going on, and
people always were their supporting each other
event.
you see, their was not that many dj's out playing
like their is now.
because they were either at the Ron or frankie
lil louis party.
chicago had a lot of things going on with the
party scene.
so it had to be some type of unity their,
everybody I was kickin it with was trying to
go to every Damn party they could.
just think about all the party and events
you went to.
their had to be some type of unity. and to
see the same people at every party you went to.
come on man be for real... graemlins/thumbsup.gif ok. peace. i misunderstood. but my statement is even more truthful and speaks directly to your question. the music is what unifies us. you're right, there are so many dj's. i think the untiy appears watered down because everyone has their favorites (jocks, clubs etc...) and there are so many from which to choose. back in the day, there were only a few clubs with virtually no variation in the music (except the frankie, ron, louis thing).

not sure it'll ever go back because of the saturation in the market.

i do believe it has evloved. for better or worse, i don't know. thoughts?

DJJM3.COM

05-04-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it... This aligns closely with the statement: "Sometimes you have to go away from home to be appreciated at home....."

To the "unitformity" comment.....

One thing that "Uniformity" and "Unity" contain one key phrase "UNIT" which means simply "one" or the same..........

Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own

05-04-2003, 03:07 PM

Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. graemlins/respekt.gif

Boo Williams

05-04-2003, 06:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GU aka CVO:
Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. graemlins/respekt.gif [/QUOTE

Like Roy Ayers said:
Love will Bring us back together forever... graemlins/clap.gif

steve

05-04-2003, 09:36 PM

What were the different camps and who were a part of them?
I scene some animosity amongst certain artist from reading this message
board but maybe I shouldn't mention any names.
I also notice some Chicago artist who enjoy international success but are not
acknowledged here.

Originally posted by torin:
[/QUOTE]to answer your first question, no. to answer the question of the thread, i've never known this unity that IaF claims to have existed back in the day. maybe i was too young or too sheltered but, there have always been camps. those camps break up (for various resaons) and folks go their seperate ways. you rarely see camps anymore (GU recently introduced one with the urban heirs).
[/QB][/QUOTE]

Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own

05-04-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GU aka CVO:
Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. graemlins/respekt.gif [/QUOTE

Like Roy Ayers said:
Love will Bring us back together forever... graemlins/clap.gif And you know this man!

richierich

05-05-2003, 08:53 AM

I don't think that things are supposed to be like they were before.. it's called evolution. I say treat today like it's the first day of something that is starting anew. Just because it's not the same does not mean that it can't be just as good or better. If I didn't think that it could continue on.... I wouldn't be wasting my time.

LEONARD REMIX RROY

05-05-2003, 12:03 PM

Back in the day there were only a hand full of DJ's...unlike today.

Back in the day we (DJ's) did not stand around talking junk about who was on the wheels at that time, we were busy trying to hook up with somebody to take home after the party was done.

Back in the day we were too busy trying to get the newest latest greatest from Improts ETC insted of finding that obsucre & said to rare B-Side record that nobody ever herd before.

DJ's wanna call Chicago late etc...saying the crowd is not resopnsive to new material. That is yall fault for playing all the B-Side BullS**t in an attempt to be unique.

If a song is good - people will dance, but when the music is said to only reach the deep heads - then you have exclusion - and nobody wanna feel like they are on the outside looking in.

Timmy played the Super Lounge Friday, he played Promise Land and all I saw were Ooh Aw from DJ's like it was a lost Ron Hardy track or something "You hear that cut, yelling Beat That S**t Timmy!"

Now mind you, these are the same Chicago DJ's that call Badluck, The Real Thing & I Want You For Myself sing-a-longs but, they go ga-ga over Promise Land & French Kiss? I am still trying to determine the logic in that...especially since Timmy played "I Want You For Myself" and not one DJ said a single bad thing about it.

Back in the day a crowd of 300 was a bad night for us.

Back in the day our only thought was to keep the floor packed.

We were not trying to educate a crowd on music, we played what they wanted to hear and added our personal twist to it.

Back in the day 10 different DJ's could play the same 20 songs and the people at the event could tell which DJ was on by the way we mixed - and not what we played. We were defined by our mix.

Until DJ's here stop talking S**t about eachother and playing the B-Side of the B-Side of a Album they found in the basement of a Pawn Shop - while on summer vacation someplace like asshole Arkansas or Missed-out Missouri
in an attempt to be unique, people in large # are not gonna come out.

05-05-2003, 12:20 PM

as a consumer (and not a dj), i see nothing wrong with chi's scene other than daley's mayoral presence...true house will not survive without the shorties being exposed to it, and how will they get that exposure if all of the juice bars are gone? i mean, no more high school jammy-jams, no more power house or la mirage...no more hotel intercontinental or bismark soirees...

why are y'all beating each other up thinking that the fault resides within your counterparts? take a trip up to the "d" and see if y'all won't be crawling back to the chi within a few hours begging to have things like they were just yesterday...

like ms. ashaki said - quit crying so damn much - and teach your seeds how to play a fukkin' record...

LEONARD REMIX RROY

05-05-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
like ms. ashaki said - quit crying so damn much - and teach your seeds how to play a fukkin' record...Oh forbid I say something to a DJ :D
I am Mr. been playing the same 20 songs for the last 20 years - let sone say it.

I just sit back and laugh as the same 20 DJ's are fighting for the same 20 slices of one Chicago pie. icon_rofl.gif

DJJM3.COM

05-05-2003, 12:57 PM

I kinda agree with what LRR- said. The difference of back then and now. Also, you have a difference in music now.
Back then music was all "four on the floor" now we are up against Raggae, Hip-Hop/ Rap, Steppin' Music. The beat/groove is slower from 70 to 99 BPM. Most of the music was about 115 to 125 BPM back then........

Playing good music is not enough....It has to be marketed.....Marketing means promotion(not to the same house heads who are overly critical) to the masses who dont hear House regularly......

There are DJs who dont want House to comeback. Because they are mere music players. They CANT mix. They can get away with slamming songs which requires NO talent. Stepping DJs and Hip Hop/Rap do this all the time.........

Leaving Chicago is NOT the answer.......We need to have our own...........

LEONARD REMIX RROY

05-05-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
There are DJs who dont want House to comeback. Because they are mere music players. They CANT mix. They can get away with slamming songs which requires NO talent.That is so true....they cant mix water with kool-aid and have a drink.

DJJM3.COM

05-05-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ JM3:
There are DJs who dont want House to comeback. Because they are mere music players. They CANT mix. They can get away with slamming songs which requires NO talent.That is so true....they cant mix water with kool-aid and have a drink. [/QUOTE]They show up to the gig with a laptop with 1000 dusties on it and 5 of Boolu master's mix CDs and think they are hot s**t......

Thats another reason why I am gonna get final scratch.....and shut 'em down...........