FAO David Mancuso: How many members were in the original New York Record Pool? [Archive]

mdpm99

07-02-2003, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Hippie:
Funny thing Dave I remember my partner looked into us joining and I believe we were told that you weren't accepting any more mobile jocks and we ended up joining NJADD. The first New Jersey Record Pool. Greetings Hippie:

Mobile Jocks were the most discriminated against by the industry. My heart went out to them. At the same time they were "driven" to do what they believed in and loved. Having to set up sound systems every place they went and then have to take them down the same day and move on was to me, awesome. They were a band on the run, so to speak.

So I made every effort imaginable to get them into the pool and at the same time I would have to establish that they were legit and working at least one event per month, which is what the record companies fairly demanded.

I would show a Mobile DJ how to obtain a DBA and from there they could establish a written entertainment contract between themselves and their employer.

I never turned a DJ away because we were full. Our list peaked out at about 300....and there was still room for more.

Please tell me where and when this happened regarding your friend trying to join the New York Record Pool.

Thank you

d

Ps....working on your request - just found out it will take about a week. I will bookmark this thread. smile.gif

pps check your pm

[ July 20, 2003, 07:39 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

mdpm99

07-02-2003, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Albert D.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hippie:
Funny thing Dave I remember my partner looked into us joining and I believe we were told that you weren't accepting any more mobile jocks and we ended up joining NJADD. The first New Jersey Record Pool. Hippie, how 'bout droppin' some knowledge on us about the first New Jersey Record Pool too. I'm curious to know a little bit more. [/QUOTE]Good question Albert!

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d

Hippie

07-02-2003, 07:30 AM

Hey fellas I wish I remembered more of NJADD but it was such a weird situation that the memory is not good. I slightly remember it being located in Asbury Park I believe. I forgot the directors name but I do remember that Gerald T Roney the first DJ at Abes Disco ( Later to become Zanzibar) either brought it or inherit it from that person. I believe I still have a membership card somewhere if I can find it maybe I'll post it. We payed I believe it was like between $35 and 50 bucks a month. If someone can get in touch with Gerald we could learn alot more. Sorry!

mdpm99

07-16-2003, 04:00 PM

Update:

today July 17th:

Just got the list today. It is quite extensive and will take me time to type it. I should have it for you fairly sooooon.

d

This list is from the orginal NY Record Pool Inc.
papers and documents.

Ronnie Ron

07-16-2003, 04:05 PM

This is a great Thread!!!

R-R

Hippie

07-16-2003, 05:13 PM

Thank You David for sharing with us such important history and for being such a great record keeper. graemlins/respekt.gif graemlins/respekt.gif graemlins/respekt.gif graemlins/respekt.gif graemlins/respekt.gif

[ July 16, 2003, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

07-16-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Update:

today July 17th:

Just got the list today. It is quite extensive and will take me time to type it. I should have it for you fairly sooooon.

d

This list is from the orginal NY Record Pool Inc.
papers and documents. Thanks, D. You is da man. ;)

rob gregory

07-16-2003, 07:42 PM

Peace.

Dave,

Depending on how the list is formatted, maybe someone would be nice enough to scan the list for you.

mdpm99

07-16-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by PhoreAyem:
Peace.

Dave,

Depending on how the list is formatted, maybe someone would be nice enough to scan the list for you. Greetings PhoreAyem:

Good suggestion....I will l@@k into that. There is also some additional documentation that I might want to add....so your suggestion is very helpful.

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d

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 03:43 PM

This is one of the first rosters of the Record Pool. This list was in the very beginning stages of forming the pool. The list got a lot longer and eventually everyone was on it.

Please kept in mind that at the time, some DJ's (who became well known thru the years) were on "special record co lists," and were already receiving product ....but the DJ's realized that there was strength in numbers. So....the pool was formed so that ALL DJ's would receive product i.e. a revolution if you will smile.gif

****

The second part is a letter sent to the Record Co.'s.

I will be back later to add the minutes of our first meeting and also our "Declaration of Intent"

-------

Don Allen -- Castaways
Kay Beckett -- Le Club
David E. Brockington 111 - MCC -- Jersey City
Michael Cappello - Le Jardin
J. R. (Doug) Carver - Monastary-Sound Machine
Paul Casella - Stardust Ballroom
John Cellimi - The Outside Inn
Peter Chiavaro - Widow's Watch -- NJ
Tony Cintorino -- Sound Machine
David Chrysostomas -- Le Cocu
Steve D'Acquisto -- Broadway
Walter Gibbons - Limelite-Galaxy 21
Tony Gio'e -- Hollywood
Ralph Guida - Dimples/NJ
Robert Gordon - Casablanca
Larry Jeter - Disco Sounds/Conn.
Phillip Kranzke - Danny's/Bklyn Heights
Bob Koprowski - Kenny's/Yonkers
Frankie Knuckles - Continental Baths
Anthony Kevin Jones - Cesars
David D Lake - Inner City
Larry Levan - SoHo/Richard Long
Stan Mandelbraum - The Sound Symposia
Joey Madonia - Disco 1
Tom Masone - Dimples/Md.
David Mancuso - The Loft
Bacho Manoval - Talk of the Town-Revelation
Jerry Morgano - Playhouse
Larry Patterson - Le Jock
Vincente F. Palau - Phase V/Pa.
Michael Pace - Haddar
Eddie Rivera -- Cork & Bottle
Ronnie Robles - Christopers
Hector Reyes - Club Rochelle
David Rodriquez - Make-Believe Ballroom
Samuel E Smalls - Little East
Carl A Scott - Charles Gallery
Billy Slicea - Hob Nob Room
Toraino "Tee" Scott - Better Days
Joe Sal - Revelation
Tom A Savarese - 12 West
Daniel Tabowitz - Dimples/NJ
Joseph (Firehouse) Turner - Executive Suite
Desmond Veeraswmy ( Desi) - Uno's Cafe

Mobile DJ's of Music Hut Brooklyn

Linda (Lady J.) Conway
Flowers
Al Green
Maloya
Ash the Hyper freek
Euphoria
Shango
Kango
Princess Lee

Independent Mobile DJ's

Paul Russo
Joe O'Brien
Bert Lockett

---------------

This is the letter which was sent with the above roster to the record co.'s 6/2/75:

To Whom It May Concern:

This is an invitation to a gathering given by the Record Pool of Discotheque' Disc-Jockeys to be held at the above address on Monday, June 30, 1975, at 2 PM. The Record Pool, our Declaration of Intent and Minutes of our last meeting are enclosed for your perusal.

We Look forward to an opportunity to informally discuss our project with you in an open forum among members of The Record Pool. Please RSVP 212 - 431 8187 or by mail.

Also in attendance will be representatives of Record World, Billboard and other members of the news media

Respectfully,

The Record Pool

I will return with more info....soooooon smile.gif d

[ July 19, 2003, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

imported_Gman

07-19-2003, 04:23 PM

Thanks David for digging that list up smile.gif

JMNYC

07-19-2003, 04:31 PM

what a great thread! Very interesting....

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
Thanks David for digging that list up smile.gif G-

Kept in mind the list grew to about 300 DJ's. What we were able to accomplish was the due respect for all DJ's from the industry.

By having all product distributed from one central place (the pool) we enable everyone to receive a copy all at the same time. Therefore on any given night....and if a lot of the DJ's were onto a particular tune, then we would in fact "break a record." We were the equivalent, if you will, of a small but powerful radio station. This eliminated a lot of BS re radio and getting air play. Also we were dealing directly with the dance floor....i.e. the "real world."

One more thing....this pool was governed soley by the DJ, for the DJ, and of the DJ. There was no Pool Directors....which actually is an extension of the record company(s). This pool was pure and musical in every sense of the word. We also did not take any kind of sponsorship or advertising from record co's. We were neutral and a faithful calm center for the music and the DJ. A lot of the classics until this day, are during the era of the first pool. I attribute that to the DJ's more so than the record companies.

d

Ps. I am hand typing the info....so it will be slow coming re the rest of the info.

[ July 20, 2003, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 04:52 PM

Ps.

Just went over me typo's......me thinks I got them all this time.

d

07-19-2003, 05:30 PM

Wow! That's some history right there. Thanks, D. ;)

DJ Skillz

07-19-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Hippie:
Hey fellas I wish I remembered more of NJADD but it was such a weird situation that the memory is not good. I slightly remember it being located in Asbury Park I believe. I forgot the directors name but I do remember that Gerald T Roney the first DJ at Abes Disco ( Later to become Zanzibar) either brought it or inherit it from that person. I believe I still have a membership card somewhere if I can find it maybe I'll post it. We payed I believe it was like between $35 and 50 bucks a month. If someone can get in touch with Gerald we could learn alot more. Sorry! Yeah Gerald brought it and was running it from his home in Plainfield. Scary thing, Gerald would come dig in our promo crates at the record store I made tapes for and would write joints down that he was not up on. He got my boy a to do a mix show for NJR (LOL). His pool was better than Ricketts though, not as much garbage (LOL).

DJ Skillz

07-19-2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
This is one of the first rosters of the Record Pool. This list was in the very beginning stages of forming the pool. The list got a lot longer and eventually everyone was on it.

Please kept in mind that at the time, some DJ's (who became well known thru the years) were on "special record co lists," and were already receiving product ....but the DJ's realized that there was strength in numbers. So....the pool was formed so that ALL DJ's would receive product i.e. a revolution if you will smile.gif

****

The second part is a letter sent to the Record Co.'s.

I will be back later to add the minutes of our first meeting and also our "Declaration of Intent"

-------

Don Allen -- Castaways
Kay Beckett -- Le Club
David E. Brockington 111 - MCC -- Jersey City
Michael Cappello - Le Jardin
J. R. (Doug) Carver - Monastary-Sound Machine
Paul Casella - Stardust Ballroom
John Cellimi - The Outside Inn
Peter Chiavaro - Widow's Watch -- NJ
Tony Cintorino -- Sound Machine
David Chrysostomas -- Le Cocu
Steve D'Acquisto -- Broadway
Walter Gibbons - Limelite-Galaxy 21
Tony Gio'e -- Hollywood
Ralph Guida - Dimples/NJ
Robert Gordon - Casablanca
Larry Jeter - Disco Sounds/Conn.
Phillip Kranzke - Danny's/Bklyn Heights
Bob Koprowski - Kenny's/Yonkers
Frankie Knuckles - Continental Baths
Anthony Kevin Jones - Cesars
David D Lake - Inner City
Larry Levan - SoHo/Richard Long
Stan Mandelbraum - The Sound Symposia
Joey Madonia - Disco 1
Tom Masone - Dimples/Md.
David Mancuso - The Loft
Bacho Manoval - Talk of the Town-Revelation
Jerry Morgano - Playhouse
Larry Patterson - Le Jock
Vincente F. Palau - Phase V/Pa.
Michael Pace - Haddar
Eddie Rivera -- Cork & Bottle
Ronnie Robles - Christopers
Hector Reyes - Club Rochelle
David Rodriquez - Make-Believe Ballroom
Samuel E Smalls - Little East
Carl A Scott - Charles Gallery
Billy Slicea - Hob Nob Room
Toraino "Tee" Scott - Better Days
Joe Sal - Revelation
Tom A Savarese - 12 West
Daniel Tabowitz - Dimples/NJ
Joseph (Firehouse) Turner - Executive Suite
Desmond Veeraswmy ( Desi) - Uno's Cafe

Mobile DJ's of Music Hut Brooklyn

Linda (Lady J.) Conway
Flowers
Al Green
Maloya
Ash the Hyper freek
Euphoria
Shango
Kango
Princess Lee

Independent Mobile DJ's

Paul Russo
Joe O'Brien
Bert Lockett

---------------

This is the letter which was sent with the above roster to the record co.'s 6/2/75:

To Whom It May Concern:

This is an invitation to a gathering given by the Record Pool of Discotheque' Disc-Jockeys to be held at the above address on Monday, June 30, 1975, at 2 PM. The Record Pool, our Declaration of Intent and Minutes of our last meeting are enclosed for your perusal.

We Look forward to an opportunity to informally discuss our project with you in an open forum among members of The Record Pool. Please RSVP 212 - 431 8187 or by mail.

Also in attendance will be representatives of Record World, Billboard and other members of the news media

Respectfully,

The Record Pool

I will return with more info....soooooon smile.gif d Dave B told me about this pool a couple of years ago. Flowers was the first mobile jock I saw in a park with a Bozack mixer. Talk about names from the past. Maboya was another powerful mobile cat.

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 10:09 PM

A "DECLARATION OF INTENT"

We the undersigned have agreed to become associated in the "RECORD POOL" which has been established for the mutual benefit of Discotheque' DJ's and Record Companies. The Record Pool will be a self-service, self-regulated, independent calm center which will act as a point of exchange between Record companies and Discotheque' DJ's.

The Pool will take responsibility for establishing the absolute legitimacy of the DJ's involved. The Pool will be a place to receive and distribute recordings and information pertaining to recordings.

The Record Pool will enhance rapport among the participants. The benefits to the record companies would be a direct and efficient means of distribution of their product to the Discotheque' DJ's. In turn, we as a group and individually will inform the record companies about the progress of their products. This will result in our being able to devote more time and energy to the creative aspects of listening and presenting music.

Signed by:

David Mancuso
Steve D'Aquisto
Paul Casella

(Copy - original signed by all members present)

List enclosed.

[ July 19, 2003, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 10:33 PM

The Record Pool
99 Prince St.
NY NY 10012

MINUTES OF OUR MEETING OF JUNE 2. 1975

1. Sixty-five Disc Jockeys came together and formed a record pool.

2. The attached Declaration of Intent was read and distributed to the assembled Discotheque Disc Jockeys of the New York and outlying areas.

3. We have agreed that henceforth we would prefer to receive our promotional material at one central location that being:

The Record Pool
99 Prince Street
NY NY 10012

4. This organization has been certified by the County Clerk's Office, City of New York doing business under: THE RECORD POOL

The Record Pool is nonprofit.

5. We agreed to take immediate steps to confirm the legitimacy of all Disc Jockeys who are members.

We also agreed that all record company representatives should be invited to attend out next meeting which will be held at 2 PM Monday, June 30th at "The Record Pool," 99 Prince Street. This is an open invitation for all record company personnel who are interested in discotheque promotion.

6. We agreed that "The Record Pool" will serve as a central point to exchange information about upcoming releases, present releases, and who's playing what and where. The "Pool" will also serve as a place where discotheque disc jockeys can hear upcoming releases in a proper environment.

7. We agreed that any one of us who receives a record or information pertaining to a record will immediately inform the "Record Pool" of its existence, and to begin the process of making the record available to all members of the "Pool."

8. We agreed that the record companies that send us products enclose with each copy of a record a corresponding postcard which can be filled out and mailed to their representatives. Also, on the postcard, if the record company wishes, they could include the name of the representative and his or her phone number so that if we wish to reply by phone we may.

9. It was agreed that membership in "The Record Pool" be open to all legitimate Disc Jockeys.

After the previous discussion, all Disc Jockeys who agreed to the proposals were asked to sign the Declaration of Intent.

Agreement was unanimous.

After motion duly made and seconded the meeting was.........

ADJOURNED.

[ July 19, 2003, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

07-19-2003, 10:40 PM

this is what i log on to dhp for...

thanks, mr. mancuso...

e.

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mdpm99

07-19-2003, 11:09 PM

Footnote:

There was a "get together" hosted by a few record companies at the "Hollywood" in midtown for only some of the DJ's.

What happened was a lot of DJ's turned up from near and far and this kind of upset the Record Companies. Many of us who were not on the "special-favorites list" were all demanding product from the record companies. The meeting was a fiasco.

I asked Steve D'Aquistio to make an announcement to all the DJ's present that we should have a DJ
only meeting and try to get our act together.

We then had our first meeting which was about 27 DJ's at 99 Prince St (the Loft)

From there we planned our next meeting and as you can see by our "official" first meeting the membership jump to about 65. By the time that we had another meeting (a month later) we were at
125....etc., etc.

It took a long time to get all the companies to go along....perhaps a year. Columbia was the last to get on board. We had hope they would be one of the first....cause whatever Col did the rest followed.

I hope that this thread will be of some use for some of you if not many.

It is amazing what DJ's can do "together" as a team........they literally moved mountains.

d

DJ Skillz

07-19-2003, 11:17 PM

Hey David, Dave B (Brockington) told me that all the DJ's were listed on Disco Gold Volumes 1 & 2 that was released on Scepter Records in 1974 & 1975. Never found those records though. Thanks for the info.

mdpm99

07-19-2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by DJ Skillz:
Hey David, Dave B (Brockington) told me that all the DJ's were listed on Disco Gold Volumes 1 & 2 that was released on Scepter Records in 1974 & 1975. Never found those records though. Thanks for the info. Greetings DJ Skillz:

I would say that the Pool had full momentum by mid 75. I do have lists of all the names thru the years in my archives. What I posted was "only the beginning."

By the way, I spoke with David about a year ago.

d

[ July 20, 2003, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

Hippie

07-20-2003, 01:12 AM

Thank You David truly! To think our history which mostly goes without any kind of record is kept intact by your records is truly amazing. I look back and think about how many jazz greats never got recognition and how there is no visual record of alot of them and I feel the same way about the Dj history. Today you have enligthen some kid around the world to the possibilities of exploring our way of life. Thank You!!!! hail.gif hail.gif hail.gif hail.gif hail.gif

Jolyon

07-20-2003, 04:08 AM

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mdpm99

07-20-2003, 07:15 AM

Ps.

So you see there was "a lot going on" prior to 72. What happened in the years 69-72 is extremely important....I believe, more so (in many ways) than what followed. The DJ's then, who did not have it so good, are the one's who opened the door for other Disk Jockeys. Some, like Francis.....worked up to 12 hours per night 5-7 days a week and maybe took home $25-50 per evening....and even that was rare. Most DJ's did it with no pay or benefits to speak of. One good thing tho' -- was that most sound systems then ..were a hell of lot better in clubs and bars than they are now......That should tell you something.

In the last 9 years or so, I have pleaded and yes, even begged writers, and journalists, to "dig deep" in their research. Some have......but for the most part, they have only begun to scratch the surface. This, I believe, will change soon. (hint hint) smile.gif

d

[ July 20, 2003, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

liL Ray

07-20-2003, 08:35 AM

I told y'all that the blueprint was there, no need to re-invent the wheel.... :D .

This is the history...the true history....this is why our music and scene strive and flourished in the good ole days....the secret is out...can we get back to this??

Respect to you david mancuso(always)....BigUps to Albert Diaz(can't believe it.. graemlins/scared.gif ) for the question and topic!!

liL Ray

07-20-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
this is what i log on to dhp for...

thanks, mr. mancuso...

e.

smile.gif agreed... smile.gif

mdpm99

07-20-2003, 11:14 AM

liL Ray's quote:

"This is the history...the true history....this is why our music and scene strive and flourished in the good ole days....the secret is out...can we get back to this??"

__________

Amen to that liL Ray!

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d

Ps. The DJ's hold the key......

[ July 20, 2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

simon b

07-20-2003, 12:21 PM

Great thread. The only record pools I was ever in were awful. I'd spend an hour or two every week listening to bunch of crap reacord companies try and pass of as dance music.

However this thread has got me thinking. I've seen the benefits of working together ad DJs. There is real strength in numbers......

Thanks David!

Wild i

07-20-2003, 01:17 PM

David M. All this is, of course, over a poor old layperson's head, but if you would like to email or pm me about scanning those original documents in order to preserve the, I will do everything I can.

You might, instead, want to talk to someone with whom you have regular contact or even buy the equipment yourself (scanners are very inexpensive these days). At any rate, my point is, these documents are precious and should be scanned and duplicated for reference so that the originals can be preserved. It's great that you kept all that. It showed great forsight. Who knew back then amongst all that quianna that history was being created?

[ July 20, 2003, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Wild i ]

mdpm99

07-20-2003, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by simon b:
Great thread. The only record pools I was ever in were awful. I'd spend an hour or two every week listening to bunch of crap reacord companies try and pass of as dance music.

However this thread has got me thinking. I've seen the benefits of working together ad DJs. There is real strength in numbers......

Thanks David! Greetings simon b:

Again, if the situation is run solely by DJ's then we have half a chance to make things happen accordingly.

When we finally incorporated it was nonprofit.
The by-laws were incredible as they reflected us and how we would do things.

When we published our magazine there were no advertisements or top ten lists.

We would list the records in alphabetically. (spel)

Also we would ask the companies to send us everything they came out with regardless of what they thought was dance music or whatever.

If you have the organization completely run by DJ's and support the organization independently.....then one would start see many changes in the right direction.

d

[ July 20, 2003, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

Jolyon

07-21-2003, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by simon b:
Great thread. The only record pools I was ever in were awful. I'd spend an hour or two every week listening to bunch of crap reacord companies try and pass of as dance music.

However this thread has got me thinking. I've seen the benefits of working together ad DJs. There is real strength in numbers......

Thanks David! Greetings simon b:

Also we would ask the companies to send us everything they came out with regardless of what they thought was dance music or whatever.

d [/QUOTE]This is a really interesting point and something I feel strongly about. This could be one of the reasons why so many "non-dance" records crossed over on to the dancefloor during the 1970s...something that is really not happening so much at all these days. Dance records are crossing over into the pop charts but rock and pop is not crossing over to the dancefloor so much.

Record companies are shooting themselves in the foot in my opinion - there are lots of records that could still 'cross over' today but don't because DJs are not getting to hear them/the record companies do not involve DJs enough/the format is usually CD only which excludes many DJs from buying the product. Non-dance departments of record companies don't seem to realise that DJs could still break "non-dance" records on the dance floor.

music

07-21-2003, 03:26 AM

hey david, hope all is fine. where were jonathan fearing,rafael chavez and john jellybean at the time in there careers? just a question.

thanks

music

07-21-2003, 03:27 AM

hey david, hope all is fine. where were jonathan fearing,rafael chavez and john jellybean at the time in there careers? just a question.

thanks

blackwax

07-21-2003, 03:27 AM

well said Jo

David Thankd you for sharing this knowledge maybe we can all learn from this

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mdpm99

07-21-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by music:
hey david, hope all is fine. where were jonathan fearing,rafael chavez and john jellybean at the time in there careers? just a question.

thanks Greetings music:

Good to hear from you. re: Jellybean....Funhouse.

The others I would have to check.

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d

mdpm99

07-21-2003, 08:33 AM

Jolyon,

True -- re xover - music......Anabra (spel) Ozo is a classic ex. -- that orginally was a RP record.

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d

Moksha

07-21-2003, 09:16 AM

hail.gif hail.gif

jsd540

07-21-2003, 09:24 AM

Hi David.

Thanks for the history.

Just out of curiosity,once you got the pool established, were you also a consultant to any of the other pools nationwide ?

Did you know any of the directors, or share idea's with them ?

mdpm99

07-21-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by jsd540:
Hi David.

Thanks for the history.

Just out of curiosity,once you got the pool established, were you also a consultant to any of the other pools nationwide ?

Did you know any of the directors, or share idea's with them ? Great question and I thank you for bringing this up......

I have to make a dash graemlins/bolt.gif and I will come back to you on this .....in a few

smile.gif

d

jsd540

07-21-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
Hi David.

Thanks for the history.

Just out of curiosity,once you got the pool established, were you also a consultant to any of the other pools nationwide ?

Did you know any of the directors, or share idea's with them ? Great question and I thank you for bringing this up......

I have to make a dash graemlins/bolt.gif and I will come back to you on this .....in a few

smile.gif

d [/QUOTE]Cool graemlins/thumbsup.gif

MarkK

07-21-2003, 09:51 AM

David:

Thanks for such a facisnating history lesson. You truly are a giant for making yourself available for such questions! Good job.

Mark

john

07-21-2003, 10:39 AM

David! [/qb][/QUOTE]Greetings simon b:

Also we would ask the companies to send us everything they came out with regardless of what they thought was dance music or whatever.

d [/qb][/QUOTE]This is a really interesting point and something I feel strongly about. This could be one of the reasons why so many "non-dance" records crossed over on to the dancefloor during the 1970s...something that is really not happening so much at all these days. Dance records are crossing over into the pop charts but rock and pop is not crossing over to the dancefloor so much.

Record companies are shooting themselves in the foot in my opinion - there are lots of records that could still 'cross over' today but don't because DJs are not getting to hear them/the record companies do not involve DJs enough/the format is usually CD only which excludes many DJs from buying the product. Non-dance departments of record companies don't seem to realise that DJs could still break "non-dance" records on the dance floor. [/QB][/QUOTE]

TRUE!

mdpm99

07-21-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by jsd540:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
Hi David.

Thanks for the history.

Just out of curiosity,once you got the pool established, were you also a consultant to any of the other pools nationwide ?

Did you know any of the directors, or share idea's with them ? Great question and I thank you for bringing this up......

I have to make a dash graemlins/bolt.gif and I will come back to you on this .....in a few

smile.gif

d [/QUOTE]Cool graemlins/thumbsup.gif [/QUOTE]Greetings jsd540:

There was a group of DJ's from Long Island who found it too expensive and difficult to commute to Manhattan from LI for RP meetings and to pick up product.

Jackie McCloy asked me if I wouldn't mind it if they started their own pool out there and/or as a subsidiary of the NYRP.

My response was of course I wouldn't mind and that it should be independent of the NYRP. We gave him our full support and guidance in anyway possible. Thus was the first "other pool." However his pool developed into "other" directions.

Then there was a group out in LA and we also supported them and helped in any way we could. In fact we "shared" info re music so that record co's could see a "national picture" of what was happening.

We saw a lot of possibilities re expansion and other projects. But we were not (NYRP) on a power trip nor were we into this for profit. It was all about the music and the DJ's. Last but not least....to have a meaningful exchange with the record co.'s -- feedback in exchange for product.

d

Ps. The dues was $12.00 per month for each member. This went to only the telephone expense and also for -- 4 or 5 salaries. There was no rent as I donated the Loft space to the RP.

[ July 21, 2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

kev

07-21-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
[QUOTE]But we were not (NYRP) on a power trip nor were we into this for profit. It was all about the music and the DJ's. Last but not least....to have a meaningful exchange with the record co.'s -- feedback in exchange for product.

d

Ps. The dues was $12.00 per month for each member. This went to only the telephone expense and also for -- 4 or 5 salaries. There was no rent as I donated the Loft space to the RP. That's love.

jsd540

07-21-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
Hi David.

Thanks for the history.

Just out of curiosity,once you got the pool established, were you also a consultant to any of the other pools nationwide ?

Did you know any of the directors, or share idea's with them ? Great question and I thank you for bringing this up......

I have to make a dash graemlins/bolt.gif and I will come back to you on this .....in a few

smile.gif

d [/QUOTE]Cool graemlins/thumbsup.gif [/QUOTE]Greetings jsd540:

In fact we "shared" info re music so that record co's could see a "national picture" of what was happening.

We saw a lot of possibilities re expansion and other projects. But we were not (NYRP) on a power trip nor were we into this for profit.
d [/QUOTE]So in the end greed killed the goose... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

BigPoppa

08-22-2003, 03:30 AM

Just came across this thread and found it very enlightening. It's fun to patch together the history, ie, where record pools started which lead to me joining my first pool here in Seattle in 1977 (don't laugh, it was called the Electric Canary Record Pool!) of which I am now its' director, although with a much better name.

I wonder how everyone, especially Mr Mancuso, feels about what Billboard magazine did by creating Billboard Dance Reporters? It seems to me that this system worked against the community feeling that originally had been established by the record pool system.

samsfromkiribati

08-22-2003, 09:22 AM

Thanks Mr Mancuso ,this document is a real archive for disco history.
Just a few question.
I don't see the name of Francis Grasso,didn't I?
Just 2 other stupid questions:
_did you receive promo from all the small
independent labels ,even if they weren't based
on N-y?
_does this record pool still exist?
_Important question ,How did you do to chose record you have been going to play?At this ti me ,it should be difficult to pick up the best
records,because many track were nice.

mdpm99

08-22-2003, 11:25 AM

Thanks Mr Mancuso ,this document is a real archive for disco history.
Just a few question.
I don't see the name of Francis Grasso,didn't I?

~~~~~~The list is an early list (first 6 months).
Kept in mind that the pool was formed for DJ's who could not get service because they were not on a special "record co dj list"

FG particpated later but only from time to time.

_did you receive promo from all the small
independent labels ,even if they weren't based
on N-y?

~~~~~~~From everywhere

_does this record pool still exist?

~~~~~Only in my heart.

In the beginning my function was to change the diapers which I glady did..... as the child grew up, and finally became financialy independent from me.....I felt it should be fully on it's own + it was a 7/24 and then some ---- I needed to get back to my mission in life which was the LOFT.

_Important question ,How did you do to chose record you have been going to play?At this ti me ,it should be difficult to pick up the best
records,because many track were nice.

~~~~~~It depends on the life energy of the musical event.

smile.gif

d

Ps. The pool grew to about 300 DJ's in the Metropolitan area of NYC, NY. This covered about 150 clubs or dance spaces.

PPs. Also the Pool was formed before DISCO - so I would not narrow it down to just Disco - the music was always varied, bottom line "dance music" ...for the most part.

[ August 22, 2003, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

samsfromkiribati

08-22-2003, 11:37 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by david mancuso:
[QB] Thanks Mr Mancuso ,this document is a real archive for disco history.
Just a few question.
I don't see the name of Francis Grasso,didn't I?

~~~~~~The list is an early list (first 6 months).
Kept in mind that the pool was formed for DJ's who could not get service because they were not on a special "record co dj list"

Thanks for your answers Mr Mancuso .I'm not Dj
and I don't know diference beetwen a record pool
and a "record co dj list".Could you explain me this please?
Thanx and peace.

mdpm99

08-22-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by BigPoppa:
Just came across this thread and found it very enlightening. It's fun to patch together the history, ie, where record pools started which lead to me joining my first pool here in Seattle in 1977 (don't laugh, it was called the Electric Canary Record Pool!) of which I am now its' director, although with a much better name.

I wonder how everyone, especially Mr Mancuso, feels about what Billboard magazine did by creating Billboard Dance Reporters? It seems to me that this system worked against the community feeling that originally had been established by the record pool system. The simple feedback sheet from the pool -- personal reaction and floor reaction told volumes of info to the record co. (based on a scale of 1-10) This infor was private only between the RP DJ
and the Record Co. - Floor reaction was the bottom line.

d

mdpm99

08-22-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by samsfromkiribati:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by david mancuso:
[QB] Thanks Mr Mancuso ,this document is a real archive for disco history.
Just a few question.
I don't see the name of Francis Grasso,didn't I?

~~~~~~The list is an early list (first 6 months).
Kept in mind that the pool was formed for DJ's who could not get service because they were not on a special "record co dj list"

Thanks for your answers Mr Mancuso .I'm not Dj
and I don't know diference beetwen a record pool
and a "record co dj list".Could you explain me this please?
Thanx and peace. DJ's would visit a record co to pick up product. In order to receive it, they would have to be on the "list." Otherwise you were turned away.

d

Maria

08-22-2003, 05:44 PM

Wonderful stuff!!

BigPoppa

08-22-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BigPoppa:
Just came across this thread and found it very enlightening. It's fun to patch together the history, ie, where record pools started which lead to me joining my first pool here in Seattle in 1977 (don't laugh, it was called the Electric Canary Record Pool!) of which I am now its' director, although with a much better name.

I wonder how everyone, especially Mr Mancuso, feels about what Billboard magazine did by creating Billboard Dance Reporters? It seems to me that this system worked against the community feeling that originally had been established by the record pool system. The simple feedback sheet from the pool -- personal reaction and floor reaction told volumes of info to the record co. (based on a scale of 1-10) This infor was private only between the RP DJ
and the Record Co. - Floor reaction was the bottom line.

d [/QUOTE]And that's why we still use that method today!

Raven Fox

08-22-2003, 09:40 PM

Simply Classic!

Question: Do you have a sort of list of the records/DJs that New York Record Pool DJs Broke and went big?

True Story: I hated the record pool guys because they had all the good stuff smile.gif but I went to listen to alot of them and immediately bought alot of the records after hearing them play out. I remember seeing feedback sheets in the DJ booth's back in the day.

It's great to read their names and documents in this Testament to the legendary New York Record Pool.

Bravo for doing the groundwork David.

With much respect,

Raven Fox

BigPoppa

08-25-2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Simply Classic!

Question: Do you have a sort of list of the records/DJs that New York Record Pool DJs Broke and went big?

True Story: I hated the record pool guys because they had all the good stuff smile.gif but I went to listen to alot of them and immediately bought alot of the records after hearing them play out. I remember seeing feedback sheets in the DJ booth's back in the day.

It's great to read their names and documents in this Testament to the legendary New York Record Pool.

Bravo for doing the groundwork David.

With much respect,

Raven Fox That's what I did when I went to the Disco exhibit here at EMP in Seattle. A few of the old rosters were included; Jackie McCloy's Long Island RP, the IDRC (I think thats what it was called), etc.