is there a secret in BEATING records ?

[lyot]

just wondering after reading J326's post in another thread...

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[The Donger]

you're born with it.

[Jamie 3:26]

Not really a secret bro.There are folks who can be a dj and play whatever and still hold a crowd.Then there are some who do not even read a crowd,they are selfish and get frustrated if folks ain't feeling something they think is hot.It's all about presentation and timing.

You sometimes have to adjust and give a show.You are an entertainer.You have to make folks want to pay you.Any fool with 2 cd players can call himself a dj.You have to raise the bar,so to speak.

You want 300 bucks for playing a few hours in a lounge??Yo ass better do a 500 dollar job then.

[AD]

I don't know about beating a record, but I'm the master when it comes to beating my...uhhhh...oops!! graemlins/bolt.gif

[DJJM3.COM]

A rubber mallet and a long downstroke......

[JMJ]

I use a sledgehammer. Very effective....JMJ

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
you're born with it. Some people are born with "IT" and some people achieve "IT". What the hell are we talking about anyway ? Please define 'It"

[Jolyon]

Gman, I'd say 'it' is that thing you can't teach someone - the instinct of which record to play and when. That's the key to being a great DJ. **** mixing, that's not so important...anyone who can learn to count to 16 can learn how to beat mix. The key's in selection and that is something that only comes with experience IMHO.

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by Gman:
Some people are born with "IT" and some people achieve "IT". What the hell are we talking about anyway ? Please define 'It" The talent.... to play a record to euphoric proportions. To play in the zone.......

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Gman, I'd say 'it' is that thing you can't teach someone - the instinct of which record to play and when. That's the key to being a great DJ. **** mixing, that's not so important...anyone who can learn to count to 16 can learn how to beat mix. The key's in selection and that is something that only comes with experience IMHO. I agree with this in part.....but, not everyone can beat mix.....music selection and what part of the record you play is key too.......

[Jamie 3:26]

"It"ain't all what it's made up to be."It" ain't shit to me.Yo ass can either play or you cant...plain and simple.Anyone can make a dope mix,the test is live baby.Plain and simple.

I have played sets where other jocks have been on before me and I make that phuckin' room mine.That's what a jock is suppossed to do.This ain't about competiton either.If you can not play around another jock,you need to take yo ass home and don't get mad because the jck before you played Days like this or Don't change and now you don't have a hype tune to play to the crowd...that's bullshit.It is a dj's job to break new tunes and leave folks goin home humming that song you broke on em.

A dj is supposed to be able to command a room and let them know he is the pilot of this mothership.All of that other whiny shit is garbage.

[ramar]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
"It"ain't all what it's made up to be."It" ain't shit to me.Yo ass can either play or you cant...plain and simple.Anyone can make a dope mix,the test is live baby.Plain and simple.

I have played sets where other jocks have been on before me and I make that phuckin' room mine.That's what a jock is suppossed to do.This ain't about competiton either.If you can not play around another jock,you need to take yo ass home and don't get mad because the jck before you played Days like this or Don't change and now you don't have a hype tune to play to the crowd...that's bullshit.It is a dj's job to break new tunes and leave folks goin home humming that song you broke on em.

A dj is supposed to be able to command a room and let them know he is the pilot of this mothership.All of that other whiny shit is garbage. agreed on all points - I say as well as break new tunes, break out some 'other' pieces... make new classics. peace

[Keith Blackstone]

Jamie, you're next career after DJ'ing it going to be driving around the country giving motivational speeches to DJ who've lost their "fire"

You're a good one for that...

I fortunately (thank God) don't have issues getting results, but damn the stuff you said motivated me!

graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ramar]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'd say 'it' is that thing you can't teach someone .... that is something that only comes with experience IMHO. Jo, respectfully parts of the above sort of contradict themselves.

I say the more sensitive you are to all aspects of the music you love & can stand behind - and therefore play - and the more open you are to new possibilities and dedicated to make them real... the closer you are to 'it' or 'beating it'.

RMR

[richierich]

You need to be sick .... plain and simple. Don't follow any guidlines but what sounds good to you. Imagine that you are the dancer instead of the DJ. Now just play like this is your last party because you don't know what the next day will bring. Your last party is history now you are starting over like it's fresh. And try not to fall into the mindset of just because you had a hot night on the tables that now you are the shit.

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Jamie, you're next career after DJ'ing it going to be driving around the country giving motivational speeches to DJ who've lost their "fire"

You're a good one for that...

I fortunately (thank God) don't have issues getting results, but damn the stuff you said motivated me!

graemlins/thumbsup.gif Keith,it's all good bruh.I guess I just get tired of hearing the same ol same ol.Yes,I have been in a slump for a while myself.It was due to personal issues and not anything to deal with dj'ing.Sometimes you have to face your personal problems first.That's usually where all the issues and problems begin.It ain't got nuthin' to do with dj's "hating" on you or folks not feeling your music...or even the dreaded"They don't know shit about music.."Maybe the problem is you....nahmean???

I'm like Oprah in The Color Purple..."Pass me them dare peas.Ol Sophia's back now..."My sprit has been awakened......

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by richierich:
You need to be sick .... plain and simple. Don't follow any guidlines but what sounds good to you. Imagine that you are the dancer instead of the DJ. Now just play like this is your last party because you don't know what the next day will bring. Your last party is history now you are starting over like it's fresh. And try not to fall into the mindset of just because you had a hot night on the tables that now you are the shit. A lot of jocks think that Rich.I have had good nites and bad nites just like the next man.It don't matter to me.When I thought I was my worst,folks loved it.I just play records and beat the hell outta them man...plain and simple.

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
"It"ain't all what it's made up to be."It" ain't shit to me.Yo ass can either play or you cant...plain and simple.Anyone can make a dope mix,the test is live baby.Plain and simple.

I have played sets where other jocks have been on before me and I make that phuckin' room mine.That's what a jock is suppossed to do.This ain't about competiton either.If you can not play around another jock,you need to take yo ass home and don't get mad because the jck before you played Days like this or Don't change and now you don't have a hype tune to play to the crowd...that's bullshit.It is a dj's job to break new tunes and leave folks goin home humming that song you broke on em.

A dj is supposed to be able to command a room and let them know he is the pilot of this mothership.All of that other whiny shit is garbage. I agree with this in part.....
But, creativity is a key factor. In the disco days, You had Vocal intrumental, dub , and in some cases, acapella...and fewer records to choose from.

Play with the record some. Put your spin on it. Make it exciting!!! go between versions. ....If someone played it earler play it YOUR way.....

If the track is lame then order the acappellas and make a remix.....

Also you should play more new music too.......

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by richierich:
Imagine that you are the dancer instead of the DJ. Good point!

[Basecore Boy]

50/50

50 them, 50 you.

[Jamie 3:26]

Another thing...there's a lot of no-dancing ass dj's out there.If you do not dance,how in the hell do you know what would move a crowd?

Some dj's think it's wrong to be feeling someone else who is spinnin'...crazy.If some shit comes on and I am in a groove,I am gonna dance.Then I am gonna ask the dj about the cut....

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
50/50

50 them, 50 you. I disagree. Give them what they want, first and foremost. Leave the DJ ego at the door. It means nothing. If you can't get people to dance, what you want is pointless. Respect is earned, not a given. Once the crowd believes in your ability to make them move, you can start working in your stuff. Until then, forget it.....JMJ

[djmarbll]

I agree Jamie. "They don't dance no mo', all they do is this, all they do is this" (Goodie Mob). I've noticed that most of my favorite dj's are the ones who dance too. How do they expect a crowd to feel them when they don't even feel the music?

I agree with you too JMJ. Please your crowd first, then they'll appreciate whatever you throw at them.


You never know who you touch when you play from the soul.

[Basecore Boy]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
50/50

50 them, 50 you. I disagree. Give them what they want, first and foremost. Leave the DJ ego at the door. It means nothing. If you can't get people to dance, what you want is pointless. Respect is earned, not a given. Once the crowd believes in your ability to make them move, you can start working in your stuff. Until then, forget it.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]JMJ
I disagree. When you mix it up for them, they dance. I play for large crowds all the time and when you play something they heard before and then something new. They are more open to the new stuff. Getting them into a groove is what it's called.

[ April 30, 2003, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Basecore Boy ]

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
50/50

50 them, 50 you. I disagree. Give them what they want, first and foremost. Leave the DJ ego at the door. It means nothing. If you can't get people to dance, what you want is pointless. Respect is earned, not a given. Once the crowd believes in your ability to make them move, you can start working in your stuff. Until then, forget it.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]JMJ
I disagree. When you mix it up for them, they dance. I play for large crowds all the time and when you play something they heard before and then something new. They are more open to the new stuff. Getting them into a groove is what it's called. </font>[/QUOTE]I stand corrected. I'm kind of new at this, and unfamiliar with large crowds, or people getting into a groove. Thanks for the lesson.....JMJ graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Basecore Boy]

Stop that JMJ.

You know how to do it.

[lyot]

yo folks, thanks for the reply's..I should have come back to the board earlier, because i think there's a misunderstanding of language here..In my opinion, 'beating records' is plain and simple 'playing with the eq's' ..That's at least what I thought 'beating' meant, after reading some posts here, and after seeing some of the Chi town dj's play overhere in Belgium..American dj's do this much much more then Belgium or European dj's (i hope i'm not making generalisations, but i think it's safe to say that dj's in Europe do not touch their eq's as much as dj's in the States)..

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..

oh , and Keith, I disagree..That Jamie speech wasn't comforting at all..You either got it or you haven't..That would mean... graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Stop that JMJ.

You know how to do it. I'm a newbie. Who's Larry Levan??.....JMJ

[JMJ]

Originally posted by lyot:
yo folks, thanks for the reply's..I should have come back to the board earlier, because i think there's a misunderstanding of language here..In my opinion, 'beating records' is plain and simple 'playing with the eq's' ..That's at least what I thought 'beating' meant, after reading some posts here, and after seeing some of the Chi town dj's play overhere in Belgium..American dj's do this much much more then Belgium or European dj's (i hope i'm not making generalisations, but i think it's safe to say that dj's in Europe do not touch their eq's as much as dj's in the States)..

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..

oh , and Keith, I disagree..That Jamie speech wasn't comforting at all..You either got it or you haven't..That would mean... graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ

[lyot]

that's a good start in having me understand the term beating JMJ! Jonny McIntosh is the only dj I ever saw 'beating' two copies of a record, and i agree it's very very uplifting if done well (jonny delivered it of course).

hey JMJ, you should do organise dj seminars man...for the younger crowd !..A pity Chicago is so far away.. :D

[JMJ]

Originally posted by lyot:
that's a good start in having me understand the term beating JMJ! Jonny McIntosh is the only dj I ever saw 'beating' two copies of a record, and i agree it's very very uplifting if done well (jonny delivered it of course).

hey JMJ, you should do organise dj seminars man...for the younger crowd !..A pity Chicago is so far away.. :D I can come to Europe for airfare, good weed, and spending money.....JMJ biggrinangel.gif

[konbit]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Another thing...there's a lot of no-dancing ass dj's out there.If you do not dance,how in the hell do you know what would move a crowd?

Some dj's think it's wrong to be feeling someone else who is spinnin'...crazy.If some shit comes on and I am in a groove,I am gonna dance.Then I am gonna ask the dj about the cut.... What's even worse is the fact that a lot of so-called DJs don't even go out anymore. They don't even listen to other DJs and see what crowds are doing more than like once a month...

[lyot]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
that's a good start in having me understand the term beating JMJ! Jonny McIntosh is the only dj I ever saw 'beating' two copies of a record, and i agree it's very very uplifting if done well (jonny delivered it of course).

hey JMJ, you should do organise dj seminars man...for the younger crowd !..A pity Chicago is so far away.. :D I can come to Europe for airfare, good weed, and spending money.....JMJ biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i'll keep it in mind JMJ ! ;) ..But we ain't doing parties in the upcoming months, that's already a fact.. smile.gif

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
yo folks, thanks for the reply's..I should have come back to the board earlier, because i think there's a misunderstanding of language here..In my opinion, 'beating records' is plain and simple 'playing with the eq's' ..That's at least what I thought 'beating' meant, after reading some posts here, and after seeing some of the Chi town dj's play overhere in Belgium..American dj's do this much much more then Belgium or European dj's (i hope i'm not making generalisations, but i think it's safe to say that dj's in Europe do not touch their eq's as much as dj's in the States)..

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..

oh , and Keith, I disagree..That Jamie speech wasn't comforting at all..You either got it or you haven't..That would mean... graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Not... :D

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by konbit:
]What's even worse is the fact that a lot of so-called DJs don't even go out anymore. They don't even listen to other DJs and see what crowds are doing more than like once a month... Generally speaking I don't like knowing what the DJ-mass is playing, so my programming and what not are completely uneffected by me hearing "so and so" play xyz record. HOWEVER, when I do go out, I am always in learning mode... looking, listening, dancing, learning and seeing what gets the crowd off or not, or what programming methods are worth adding to my arsenal.

... never can learn enough.

[TAC]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Jamie, you're next career after DJ'ing it going to be driving around the country giving motivational speeches to DJ who've lost their "fire"

You're a good one for that...

I fortunately (thank God) don't have issues getting results, but damn the stuff you said motivated me!

graemlins/thumbsup.gif Yo JERZEEEE. Jamie, you got me running round the room, tearing of ma clothes, balls on fire screaming like a... well you know what I mean... where's that beating stick? graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by JMJ:
I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ I agree with you JMJ, I said this early on......in a different way. Here is what I said..........


I agree with this in part.....
But, creativity is a key factor. In the disco days, You had Vocal intrumental, dub , and in some cases, acapella...and fewer records to choose from.

Play with the record some. Put your spin on it. Make it exciting!!! go between versions. ....If someone played it earler play it YOUR way.....

If the track is lame then order the acappellas and make a remix.....

Also you should play more new music too.......



[ April 30, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: DJ JM3 ]

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ I agree with you JMJ, I said this early on......in a different way. </font>[/QUOTE]Very different... graemlins/rofl.gif

[D J 1 3 8]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lyot:
[QB]

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..
QUOTE]

There are no rules, but I'll give you a tip that works for me. When you drop out the bass, kill it right AFTER "the 1", not right before. To me, this emphasizes the absence of the bass if you get to hear a good solid kick right before you kill it. But again, there are no rules cuz no 2 records are the same.

[Koffy Brown]

I also think it comes with the love for music. You are able to feel certain cuts that some radio dj may have never heard of, then play it in a fashion that can rock a crowd...it's definitely about selection, but it's also the ability to deeply feel music...this is what make house dj's special to me, because they have the ability to make a not house track a house track...

peace

[lyot]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lyot:
[QB]

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..
QUOTE]

There are no rules, but I'll give you a tip that works for me. When you drop out the bass, kill it right AFTER "the 1", not right before. To me, this emphasizes the absence of the bass if you get to hear a good solid kick right before you kill it. But again, there are no rules cuz no 2 records are the same. hey thanks dj 138 ..This is exactly the kind of reply that is gonna help me in experimenting.. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Jamie 3:26]

Lyot one of the arts of beating the q is to do it at the right time.You really need to know your tunes.When there's a build up,you should build up also.When that shit reaches the point...full throttle baby.

You dont have to take the bass out at certain points,you do it when it feels nice.No one should do things the same,shit gets pretty boring...

[JMJ]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
yo folks, thanks for the reply's..I should have come back to the board earlier, because i think there's a misunderstanding of language here..In my opinion, 'beating records' is plain and simple 'playing with the eq's' ..That's at least what I thought 'beating' meant, after reading some posts here, and after seeing some of the Chi town dj's play overhere in Belgium..American dj's do this much much more then Belgium or European dj's (i hope i'm not making generalisations, but i think it's safe to say that dj's in Europe do not touch their eq's as much as dj's in the States)..

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..

oh , and Keith, I disagree..That Jamie speech wasn't comforting at all..You either got it or you haven't..That would mean... graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Not... :D </font>[/QUOTE]Not what??.....JMJ

[Jamie 3:26]

I ain't lazy...

[JMJ]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I ain't lazy... Never said you were. I think that the technology available to us now has made it easy to re-edit to CD rather than reworking tracks on-the-fly, and it's become somewhat of a lost art. Nothing wrong with re-edits as I'm doing some myself now, but I still enjoy reworking them live....JMJ

[Jamie 3:26]

Hey,I ain't JM3,I don't trip on ya man.I am bugging out on a lot of stuff today.Now J,don't you even take it the wrong way.... graemlins/rofl.gif

[lyot]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I ain't lazy... Never said you were. I think that the technology available to us now has made it easy to re-edit to CD rather than reworking tracks on-the-fly, and it's become somewhat of a lost art. Nothing wrong with re-edits as I'm doing some myself now, but I still enjoy reworking them live....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]sorry for being such a hassle guys, but if you are running the same two records, where do you have to pay attention to ? And what special tricks are there JMJ ..I'm living in Belgium, we don't know nothing here. ;)

[JMJ]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I ain't lazy... Never said you were. I think that the technology available to us now has made it easy to re-edit to CD rather than reworking tracks on-the-fly, and it's become somewhat of a lost art. Nothing wrong with re-edits as I'm doing some myself now, but I still enjoy reworking them live....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]sorry for being such a hassle guys, but if you are running the same two records, where do you have to pay attention to ? And what special tricks are there JMJ ..I'm living in Belgium, we don't know nothing here. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sure you guys know plenty. All I'm talking about is essentially doing a live re-edit, which require nothing more than good technical turntable skills and an imagination.....JMJ

[JMJ]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Hey,I ain't JM3,I don't trip on ya man.I am bugging out on a lot of stuff today.Now J,don't you even take it the wrong way.... graemlins/rofl.gif Loved your mix this morning on Tom's show. They never give you the credit you deserve......JMJ icon_rofl.gif

[TAC]

Originally posted by konbit:
What's even worse is the fact that a lot of so-called DJs don't even go out anymore. They don't even listen to other DJs and see what crowds are doing more than like once a month... This is a valid point, but did you ever stop to think that there is a thing called life outside of music. Did you stop to think that perhaps a lot of the so called parties are just plain BORING...or...or...or... I could go on, but I won't.

[1SmoothDj]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
yo folks, thanks for the reply's..I should have come back to the board earlier, because i think there's a misunderstanding of language here..In my opinion, 'beating records' is plain and simple 'playing with the eq's' ..That's at least what I thought 'beating' meant, after reading some posts here, and after seeing some of the Chi town dj's play overhere in Belgium..American dj's do this much much more then Belgium or European dj's (i hope i'm not making generalisations, but i think it's safe to say that dj's in Europe do not touch their eq's as much as dj's in the States)..

So, my question was more like : are there certain rules or secrets in playing with the EQ's ? Eliminating the bass, and bringing it back in, that kind of stuff.. I hope the question is more clear now... My bad..

oh , and Keith, I disagree..That Jamie speech wasn't comforting at all..You either got it or you haven't..That would mean... graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/mecry.gif I think there's much more to "beating" than just playing with the EQ. How many guys other than me still work two copies of the same record?? While it's nice to re-edit a track and play off CD, I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc. Just working the EQ isn't really beating it, but most DJ's are too lazy to do live re-edits. That's my opinion.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Referencing your last quoted comment...I use to feel like you! I think its important to FIRST introduce your dancers to the record as it was meant to be presented. Then....start your [on the fly] remixing efforts (picking your spots etc...) Trust me...back in the day, I learned from one of the best on the fly remixers (Farley)and I have come to appreciate & understand music dynamics from ONE of the best dj(s) ever...Tony Humphries! hail.gif no body No Body NO BODY Tops RON HARDY!! RIP! hail.gif

I like your energy! Refreshing! Although you could benefit from being a bit more diplomatic..IMHO thou! graemlins/conf44.gif

Marv
;)

[1SmoothDj]

Originally posted by Dj Marv:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMJ:
I like your energy! Refreshing! Although you could benefit from being a bit more diplomatic..IMHO thou! graemlins/conf44.gif

Marv
;) Sorry JMJ....my comment on diplomacy was meant for Supah Star Jamie 3:26!!
biggrinangel.gif

[lyot]

'on the fly remixing' ? Explain please Dj Marv ?

[djdub63]

http://www.inform.umd.edu/StudentOrg/hfh/graphics/c_demo.jpg

just crush'em!

[1SmoothDj]

Originally posted by djdub63:
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just crush'em! Dayum Dub! icon_rofl.gif You putting on the Big Crush!!
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btw...your guys tell you I've been asking about you whenever I come down to your store? I've been there 3 - 4 times already! Very Nice Concept and product!!

Marv

[1SmoothDj]

Originally posted by lyot:
'on the fly remixing' ? Explain please Dj Marv ? lyot,

Thanks for asking...but this quote explains it very well!

"I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc."

This is done live/on the fly!

Marv

[lyot]

ah, so 'on the fly' equals 'live' ..Sorry, i don't know all that slang.. smile.gif thanks for explaining..

[DeesKo]

What they are talking about with on the fly re-edits is taking doubles of "Take Time"....

Side A is the full song
Side B is 1. the intro accapella
2. just the beat
3. a bridge with the vocal hook and then the beat with the guitar
4. the "take time, to relax your mind" hook

You drop the "take time" accapella over your previous song (where applicable) to warm the crowd up in the knowledge that that song is coming up, then skip to the "just beats"....

Bring in the "just beats" to mix out of your previous record, but time it so that just as you kill the previous record the little vocal bridge between the "just beats" and the beats with the guitar drops....

Grab your other copy of Take Time, work the intro accapella in, maybe kill the bass or the high hats on the beat as an emphasis, then take that record off, flip it over, cue it up and on the right count you drop the full song version, blend it in and right before the song really "kicks in" theres a nice little bridge to work the EQ and to smoothly work out the first record....

... then you cue up the "Take Time" accapella and during the breakdown in the middle of the song you run that accapella under the breakdown to add an extra layer, maybe even drop the mids out of the breakdown completely and bring in the Take Time accapella all the way and completely flip that breakdown...

.... then towards the end when its just the hook and the guitar playing in the song, you can bring back in the "just beats with the guitar" and offset them so the guitar hook is completely different... mix out of it and viola, real time, on the spot remix that will be different every time you do it .... you could repeat verses, take verses out, echo them, run the doubles so that you "phase" certain words, verses or phrases, etc etc when you have a single with that many tools on it, the ideas are endless.

Another ridiculous record for working like that is Tranz....there are so many possibilities for working in some random older funk joint under that song its insane.

Peace

[ April 30, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: DeesKo ]

[Nege]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:

You want 300 bucks for playing a few hours in a lounge??Yo ass better do a 500 dollar job then. Can I use that quote Jamie?

[DJ George Bates]

Jamie ..the words are flowing ! You are making to much sense !

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by Eneg:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:

You want 300 bucks for playing a few hours in a lounge??Yo ass better do a 500 dollar job then. Can I use that quote Jamie? </font>[/QUOTE]Go ahead Gene...by all means...

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by konbit:
What's even worse is the fact that a lot of so-called DJs don't even go out anymore. They don't even listen to other DJs and see what crowds are doing more than like once a month... This is a valid point, but did you ever stop to think that there is a thing called life outside of music. Did you stop to think that perhaps a lot of the so called parties are just plain BORING...or...or...or... I could go on, but I won't. </font>[/QUOTE]theres a 'KEY WORD' in here can U guess what it iz
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[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Dj Marv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
'on the fly remixing' ? Explain please Dj Marv ? lyot,

Thanks for asking...but this quote explains it very well!

"I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc."

This is done live/on the fly!

Marv </font>[/QUOTE]its called mixingblending/or just as say "working the track"
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[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dj Marv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
'on the fly remixing' ? Explain please Dj Marv ? lyot,

Thanks for asking...but this quote explains it very well!

"I still prefer to re-work a track live, on-the-fly. Repeating verses, extending intros and breaks, etc."

This is done live/on the fly!

Marv </font>[/QUOTE]its called mixing/blending/or just as say "working the track"
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[Nege]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eneg:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:

You want 300 bucks for playing a few hours in a lounge??Yo ass better do a 500 dollar job then. Can I use that quote Jamie? </font>[/QUOTE]Go ahead Gene...by all means... </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by lyot:
that's a good start in having me understand the term beating JMJ! Jonny McIntosh is the only dj I ever saw 'beating' two copies of a record, and i agree it's very very uplifting if done well (jonny delivered it of course).
Cheers for the props Lyot. I can't afford to be buying two copies of every record but I try to pick up doubles when they come in at work. I learnt all that stuff when I used to play more Detroit techno. I don't do it as much as I used to because I think house people don't seem to like it, maybe because it can easily sound like guitar solos if you're not careful. I try to be a bit less agressive with house than with techno: I never really scratch, I generally pull records back half beats out of the mix. Because there are more clearly defined verses etc. you can extend them out, repeat phrases ("love will fix it"), echo certain words etc. The possibilities are pretty much endless, but I prefer it to sound smooth and, therefore, more of a surprise to people who know the record. Don't forget EQs and simple things like volume. As people have said, you don't have to be predictable with them, either, too many people slam in the bass at the beginning of measures - try a little before or a little after. In all of these things you can't emphasise enough how important it is to know your records, of course. EQing's tough on those Rodecs, too - the knobs are really stiff and my thumbs always hurt after a Kinky People party. :D One thing to be careful of avoiding is doing it to impress the DJs rather than the dancers - I'm not sure if I manage to do either, but I have fun.

[David Le C]

It sure always looks like you're having fun :D