Saddam's Sons Dead???

[mdpm99]

Just heard on the news!

Can anyone confirm????


d

[ July 22, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

They may have been killed, not confirmed yet.

Here is the latest:

Four Iraqis were killed in a U.S. raid Tuesday in northern Iraq against a suspected hideout of high-ranking members of Saddam Hussein's regime. U.S. officials said they were investigating whether two of Saddam's sons were among the dead.

The raid at a house in the northern city of Mosul sparked a shootout between members of the 101st Airborne Division and gunmen holed up inside the compound, which later burned to the ground, officials said.

The identities of the dead were not certain, said one official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. But officials said they were trying to determine whether Saddam's elder sons, Odai and Qusai, were among the dead.

Both were below only Saddam in importance in the regime, officials have said.

The house belonged to a cousin of Saddam who was a key tribal leader in the region. Mosul residents said the American soldiers were looking for Odai and Qusai but Pentagon officials said they could not confirm that.

The United States has offered a $25 million bounty and $15 million for each of his sons, who were also top leaders in their father's regime.

[Dolemite73]

I hate to say it, but those two f.ucks needed to die. Hopefully they will catch thier father alive though.

[AD]

It's not official yet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26854-2003Jul22.html?nav=hptop_tb

[lyot]

yes, it seems so :

DEBKAfile’s exclusive sources: Saddam’s two sons Uday and Qusay, Saddam's grandson Mustafa and bodyguard killed when 200 US Delta force and CIA men raid cousin’s villa in north Iraqi own of Mosul Tuesday. Cousin is head of Albou Nasser tribe. Rumsfeld has just briefed Bush personally.

[andrea]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I hate to say it, but those two f.ucks needed to die. Hopefully they will catch thier father alive though. I agree.

[Koffy Brown]

I'm not trusting the media on this one...

[Ronnie Ron]

It has been Confirmed, just saw a new conference a little while ago with a three star General, they got they asses. Next up Sadaam or Maadas if your dislexic

R-R

[Koffy Brown]

sorry for being such a sceptic...but how do we know this isn't some bullshit being fed by the media and the white house to try to make things look good....

[richierich]

I can't be happy about ANYBODY being hunted down and killed..sorry.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I hate to say it, but those two f.ucks needed to die. Hopefully they will catch thier father alive though. Gee where are all the MF's who gave me mad grief over my sentiments regarding Strom Thurmond....

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I hate to say it, but those two f.ucks needed to die. Hopefully they will catch thier father alive though. Gee where are all the MF's who gave me mad grief over my sentiments regarding Strom Thurmond.... </font>[/QUOTE]...and she shoots and GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAALLLLL!!!

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
sorry for being such a sceptic...but how do we know this isn't some bullshit being fed by the media and the white house to try to make things look good.... This could be true, we get fed so much garbage you never know if your gettin the truth..

R-R

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
I hate to say it, but those two f.ucks needed to die. Hopefully they will catch thier father alive though. Gee where are all the MF's who gave me mad grief over my sentiments regarding Strom Thurmond.... </font>[/QUOTE]Didnt see that post but i know i was glad to see that old bastard leave this earth!!!

R-R

[Jamie 3:26]

Riddle me this...Why did it take them weeks to confirm it not happening before?This is bs.Jesse is having her welcome home bash,the eiffel tower is on fire.This sounds like propaganda at it's best.Anything to get the minds off of the realness.Just another ploy to get patriotic again.Bullshit ain't nuttin' butI ain't buyin' it.That's one of the reasons Kobe has been all on the news channels too.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by richierich:
I can't be happy about ANYBODY being hunted down and killed..sorry. word.

[Dolemite73]

Well, considering that Uday Hussein was the head of an organization that killed 23 of my fellow Marines in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, I say f.uck him. His organization (Saddam Fedeyeen)used such tactics as shooting at Marines with babies in their arms and throwing women and children at Marines while firing from behind the women and children and using pipe bombs and shit, I say f.uck him and every muthaf.uckah like him.

[ July 22, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Dolemite73 ]

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
Well, considering that Uday Hussein was the head of an organization that killed 23 of my fellow Marines in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, I say **** him. His organization (Saddam Fedeyeen)used such tactics as shooting at Marines with babies in their arms and throwing women and children at Marines while firing from behind the women and children and using pipe bombs and shit, I say **** him and every muthafukah like him. Word!!!!

[Dolemite73]

And also, there is the little thing of the suffering, the torture and the utter lack of regard for human life. I hope these two rot in hell.

[lyot]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And also, there is the little thing of the suffering, the torture and the utter lack of regard for human life. I hope these two rot in hell. word, it's good those m****ers are gone..

i hope this brings a deadly blow to the ambitions of Saddams guerilla army, but in fact, I doubt it...

[richierich]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And also, there is the little thing of the suffering, the torture and the utter lack of regard for human life. I hope these two rot in hell. I'm sure you saw way more than I can imagine..no disrespect but I didn't think that we should've been over there in the first place. AMERIKKA is going to reap what it has sewn one day. To me it was about oil and settling an old score. AMERIKKA (Busch) is acting like gangsters.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And also, there is the little thing of the suffering, the torture and the utter lack of regard for human life. I hope these two rot in hell. I'm sure you saw way more than I can imagine..no disrespect but I didn't think that we should've been over there in the first place. AMERIKKA is going to reap what it has sewn one day. To me it was about oil and settling an old score. AMERIKKA (Busch) is acting like gangsters. </font>[/QUOTE]Rich
I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should not have been over there. But the way I saw it, since they put me in that situation my number one priority was to LIVE. And I am sure thats all everyone still there is trying to do.
But I have no good feelings about Hussein and his cronies. Those cocksuckers were pure evil. And I hope they all die.

[richierich]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And also, there is the little thing of the suffering, the torture and the utter lack of regard for human life. I hope these two rot in hell. I'm sure you saw way more than I can imagine..no disrespect but I didn't think that we should've been over there in the first place. AMERIKKA is going to reap what it has sewn one day. To me it was about oil and settling an old score. AMERIKKA (Busch) is acting like gangsters. </font>[/QUOTE]Rich
I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should not have been over there. But the way I saw it, since they put me in that situation my number one priority was to LIVE. And I am sure thats all everyone still there is trying to do.
But I have no good feelings about Hussein and his cronies. Those cocksuckers were pure evil. And I hope they all die. </font>[/QUOTE]Man at least you made it back alive and well a lot of BROTHERS didn't

[Dolemite73]

Hopefully these two getting killed with help calm things.

[And]

I'm with Ashaki on this one ... I really don't know what to believe anymore.

[lyot]

here's the story.. smile.gif

Talabani’s Kurdish Tribesmen Spotted Qusay, His Son Mustafa and Uday Hussein en Route to or from Syria

DEBKAfile World Exclusive

July 23, 2003, 1:16 AM (GMT+02:00)


Their death leaves Saddam without successor


Late Sunday night, July 20 - or early Monday morning - Qusay Hussein, his 14-year old son Mustafa and his brother Uday arrived at the spacious villa estate of their father’s cousin three times removed in the northeastern al Falah district of Mosul.

Qusay habitually took his teenage son everywhere to keep him safe for the succession, in case something happened to Saddam or himself. They were on their way to or from Syria. That cousin, Marwan Zeidan of the Abu Nasser tribe, is one of Mosul’s richest and most colorful figures. He owns the biggest clay brick factory in town and the largest used car agency in the region. Unlike other Iraqi towns, where the different communities live in separate neighborhoods, Mosul is mixed; Sunnis, Arabs, Kurds and Turkemen live cheek by jowl on the same streets as neighbors.

This population admixture was the cause of the downfall of Udai and Qusai Hussein.

The Al Falah district is shared by Sunnis and Kurds. Zeidan’s villa is surrounded by Kurdish families loyal to Jalal Talabani, head of the Kurdish Patriotic Union, the PUK, and a member of the new 25-man Iraqi governing council.

These neighbors were the first to catch sight of Saddam’s sons when they arrived at the villa.

According to DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources, a group went running to their leader’s nearest military headquarters to bring him the news in person. Talabani, who also happens to rent one of the Saddam family’s villas in Salman Pak, went straight off to US administration offices in Baghdad, where deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfovitz is presently based for his week’s stay in Iraq. The Kurdish leader and US military chiefs conferred and decided that PUK intelligence would go ahead and secretly surround the Zeidan villa and bar it to both ingress and egress, also installing sensors and eavesdropping devices. The Kurdish agents were instructed to prepare the site for the US special forces to come in by helicopter and seize the building and Saddam’s two sons.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that in retrospect these careful advance arrangements were seen to be superfluous. The two brothers and the teenager were inside the villa with only a single bodyguard. The circle of people whom they trusted had apparently shrunk to almost nil. Saddam may be in the same boat. They ventured into a district which far from being out of the way is lively and crowded. This signified that they had experienced some unexpected holdup and been forced to break their journey to or from the Syrian border only 35 miles away at the home of their father’s cousin.

According to our sources, their visit was unexpected. Zeidan, his wife and 19-year old son were arrested after the US raid on their home. The American-Kurdish command decided to occupy the houses around the target villa before the main assault. A US special force of some 200 commandos landed early Tuesday, July 22, and opened fire on the villa. The three Husseins and their bodyguard went down shooting, overwhelmed by US ground fire and helicopter-fired missiles. The US commander waited two or three hours before giving the order to storm the property in case more people were hiding in cellars or outhouses or trying to escape through hidden exits. Pilot-less Predator drones were lofted to survey the property from all sides. However when the troops went in, they found no one but the charred, bullet-riddled bodies of Saddam’s two sons, his grandson and their bodyguard.

Talabani’s Kurdish followers will no doubt claim the $30 million bounty promised by the US government for the capture of the two sons of the deposed ruler.

Saddam himself still eludes capture along with his cached weapons of mass destruction. According to DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources, President George W. Bush and British prime minister Tony Blair are in the process of assembling a mass of material evidence of this arsenal to be released soon.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
Well, considering that Uday Hussein was the head of an organization that killed 23 of my fellow Marines in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, I say f.uck him. His organization (Saddam Fedeyeen)used such tactics as shooting at Marines with babies in their arms and throwing women and children at Marines while firing from behind the women and children and using pipe bombs and shit, I say f.uck him and every muthaf.uckah like him. wow...and to think that we are the country that is supposed to be defending justice, due process, etc.
:rolleyes:

Sad to see that people are willing to try and and sentence people based on no evidence beyond military propoganda and network news.

If you are willing to lay all the blame on this man for the actions of those under him, which commanders from the US will be paying for all the innocent Iraqi lives taken in that unjust, illegal attack?

[ July 22, 2003, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: Orion : Konbit ]

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
Well, considering that Uday Hussein was the head of an organization that killed 23 of my fellow Marines in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, I say f.uck him. His organization (Saddam Fedeyeen)used such tactics as shooting at Marines with babies in their arms and throwing women and children at Marines while firing from behind the women and children and using pipe bombs and shit, I say f.uck him and every muthaf.uckah like him. wow...and to think that we are the country that is supposed to be defending justice, due process, etc.
:rolleyes:

Sad to see that people are willing to try and and sentence people based on no evidence beyond military propoganda and network news.

If you are willing to lay all the blame on this man for the actions of those under him, which commanders from the US will be paying for all the innocent Iraqi lives taken in that unjust, illegal attack. </font>[/QUOTE]Well...I tried to not fuss, but oh well:
While I agree with you that the war was illegal peep this scenario.
You put two scorpions inside of a bottle. Neither scorpion has anything against the other, but when you put them together, they are going to try to kill each other. That what happened to us in Iraq. WE WERE TRYING TO LIVE!!!!!! Point blank. Illegal or not, I was trying to get home to my 3 children. And the way I saw it, I was going to kill as many of the enemy I could to get home to my children. You know who to hold responsible, George W. Bush! Because once we crossed that line of departure, we were going to survive no matter what. F.uck due process, and f.uck defending justice. We were worried about the guy to our left and right. You have no idea the utter squalor and desparation those people had over there. I witnessed it first hand. Is this a justification for war, no! But that is about the only thing good I feel we did over there, free those people. And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it!

[ July 22, 2003, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Dolemite73 ]

[mdpm99]

Greetings Folks:

I agree....it is best to go slow on this and see how it unfolds.

Peace on Earth

d

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point. </font>[/QUOTE]No...I think you missed mine. And one did not have to see them commit anything. All one had to do was look at the pitiful state that country was in while those two had mansions, cars, and billions of dollars. F.uck them.

[ July 22, 2003, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: Dolemite73 ]

[mdpm99]

A Vietnam without trees........

d

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point. </font>[/QUOTE]No...I think you missed mine. And one did not have to see them commit anything. All one had to do was look at the pitiful state that country was in while those two had mansions, cars, and billions of dollars. F.uck them. </font>[/QUOTE]Being a rich member of the ruling class while you're subjects are poor is not a crime punishable by death. If it was, every rich person in this world deserves death.

No matter what you say, you cannot justify this killing. You have no evidence. there was no due process.

Am I the only person left in this world who is against harming living beings?

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
A Vietnam without trees........

d The thing is there are sons (and daughters) dying the world over, but these particular two will get the front pages as the media attempts to turn the heat down on our fear.

A fear that they generated and fed in order to seak justification for some mad Texan and the most unsocialist socialist on the planet...

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Mah'chew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
A Vietnam without trees........

d The thing is there are sons (and daughters) dying the world over, but these particular two will get the front pages as the media attempts to turn the heat down on our fear.

A fear that they generated and fed in order to seak justification for some mad Texan and the most unsocialist socialist on the planet... </font>[/QUOTE]Amen!!

[sr hadden]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point. </font>[/QUOTE]No...I think you missed mine. And one did not have to see them commit anything. All one had to do was look at the pitiful state that country was in while those two had mansions, cars, and billions of dollars. F.uck them. </font>[/QUOTE]Being a rich member of the ruling class while you're subjects are poor is not a crime punishable by death. If it was, every rich person in this world deserves death.

No matter what you say, you cannot justify this killing. You have no evidence. there was no due process.

Am I the only person left in this world who is against harming living beings? </font>[/QUOTE]i think you miss a point Orion (no offense of course) .. The US is engaged in a guerilla war . Saddams sons are considered by everyone that follows the situation a bit as the leaders of the Iraqi irregular guerilla army..I do not think the 'rules' you wish to see applied, count in such a situation..

greetings,

[flypitcher]

The two of them are not dead. Because they would never travel together, forget staying together in the same house. Come on what planet are the people who believe this living on?

Anything to defelect news.

[lyot]

Originally posted by sr hadden:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point. </font>[/QUOTE]No...I think you missed mine. And one did not have to see them commit anything. All one had to do was look at the pitiful state that country was in while those two had mansions, cars, and billions of dollars. F.uck them. </font>[/QUOTE]Being a rich member of the ruling class while you're subjects are poor is not a crime punishable by death. If it was, every rich person in this world deserves death.

No matter what you say, you cannot justify this killing. You have no evidence. there was no due process.

Am I the only person left in this world who is against harming living beings? </font>[/QUOTE]i think you miss a point Orion (no offense of course) .. The US is engaged in a guerilla war . Saddams sons are considered by everyone that follows the situation a bit as the leaders of the Iraqi irregular guerilla army..I do not think the 'rules' you wish to see applied, count in such a situation..

greetings, </font>[/QUOTE]oeps, that was not SR Hadden but Lyot.. I'm not using my pc..

flypitcher..I think that's very very akward indeed, that both of them were travelling alone.. As a matter of fact, I was very very suprised to hear that they are caught in Mosul ..That's a Kurish town..But I'm quite confident in the Debka reporting (cf. Supra). I think they have been rather consistent in their reporting..It remains to be seen whether the US will back up this with real facts..(DNA proof for instance)

greetings,

[flypitcher]

don't undrstand you lyot when you say both of them were travelling alone and supposedly they were killed together maybe a typo.

The last person I remember who had a major bounty on his head by the USA was Pablo Escobar Aand guess what he allowed himself to be killed by phoning his wife on her birthday and then being trapped on a rooftop without his supposedly 40 bodyguards who protected him at all times graemlins/sleep2.gif

[lyot]

Originally posted by flypitcher:
don't undrstand you lyot when you say both of them were travelling alone and supposedly they were killed together maybe a typo.

The last person I remember who had a major bounty on his head by the USA was Pablo Escobar Aand guess what he allowed himself to be killed by phoning his wife on her birthday and then being trapped on a rooftop without his supposedly 40 bodyguards who protected him at all times graemlins/sleep2.gif sorry , that was indeed a typo..I hadn't noticed.. I meant to say that it was weird they were both together ..One would indeed expect them to travel alone..

[Dj Pat]

Hello everyone.
Me and Pat was sitting here talking about the whole situation with sadam's boy's being dead.
Well, our two cent's is this...
No matter who we killed in iraq, the nation itself is still unstable and will continue.
We took out his son's, and now were looking for sadam himself to kill, not to surrender, that's the bottom line.
Were basicly doing assassination's in the name of the war and for bush's approval rateing's to go up, which in case they realy didnt.
Yet the fact of the matter is that were still loseing a member of our troop's a day.
As D. Mancuso stated, another veitnam without the trees, and this is so true.
Now the US is allmost begging other contries to step in and take off some of the burden from the US physicaly and financialy because let's face it folk's...the united state's of america is broke!
And on top of that, what other major contrie would help the US after that fiasco at the UN?!?!
Old Europe? The UN weapons team is mute? And the rest of that malarky Rummy was saying.
Here's something that's scarey, what if someone here that's sympathetic to sadam or even work's for him, goes out and try to kill the bush daughter's?
While we in the US are rejoicing the fact that there dead and gone, we need to be carefull in what we are rejoicing because it could back-fire on us. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
We have a killer in office that's praising killing under god. mad1.gif
Blue & Dj Pat
Physical heat.

[lyot]

anyone who wants to have an excellent analysis on the whole Iraq issue and the consequences it can have for the US governement, please hit me on my PM and I will sent it to you..(i can't post it here anymore)..

greetings,

lyot

[Jolyon]

I'm passionately anti-war but I'm still pleased they are gone.

It would be better if they had been caught alive and tried then spent the rest of their lives deprived of their freedom. But, there is no way these guys were going to be taken alive.

They were both murderers and rapists and are probably getting their dues some place else right now.

I noticed two more coalition troops died today. Probably a fair few Iraqi children too.

[mdpm99]

biggrinangel.gif

BERLIN (Reuters) - A pair of flying underpants caused a crash on a German highway when they landed on a driver's face and blocked his view, police said Tuesday.
A police spokesman in the central town of Gotha said one of a group of naked men in a van threw the underwear into a Volkswagen Passat as they passed it on a busy stretch of one of Germany's notoriously speedy autobahns. "The underpants landed on the driver's face, causing him to ram the truck ahead from behind," said the spokesman, adding that he did not know why the men were driving along naked. No one was hurt in the crash, but police are hunting the owner of the underpants for failing to stop at the scene.

[mdpm99]

To the Victors, go the Spoils of War

[lyot]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
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BERLIN (Reuters) - A pair of flying underpants caused a crash on a German highway when they landed on a driver's face and blocked his view, police said Tuesday.
A police spokesman in the central town of Gotha said one of a group of naked men in a van threw the underwear into a Volkswagen Passat as they passed it on a busy stretch of one of Germany's notoriously speedy autobahns. "The underpants landed on the driver's face, causing him to ram the truck ahead from behind," said the spokesman, adding that he did not know why the men were driving along naked. No one was hurt in the crash, but police are hunting the owner of the underpants for failing to stop at the scene. they were probably heading back home from the Love Parade.. graemlins/rofl.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
biggrinangel.gif

BERLIN (Reuters) - A pair of flying underpants caused a crash on a German highway when they landed on a driver's face and blocked his view, police said Tuesday.
A police spokesman in the central town of Gotha said one of a group of naked men in a van threw the underwear into a Volkswagen Passat as they passed it on a busy stretch of one of Germany's notoriously speedy autobahns. "The underpants landed on the driver's face, causing him to ram the truck ahead from behind," said the spokesman, adding that he did not know why the men were driving along naked. No one was hurt in the crash, but police are hunting the owner of the underpants for failing to stop at the scene. they were probably heading back home from the Love Parade.. graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Sire:

Please e mail me that article if you can

Thank you

d

[Tee Cee 13]

YESSSSSSS!!!!!! It's about time.....


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[mdpm99]

The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

Martin Luther King, 1963

[lyot]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

Martin Luther King, 1963 hey David,

I just sent you an email to your aol adress..

i would briefly like to refer to first rule in the handbook of counter guerilla warfare..: "Get the command out as swiftly as possible.."

greetings ! smile.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

Martin Luther King, 1963 hey David,

I just sent you an email to your aol adress..

i would briefly like to refer to first rule in the handbook of counter guerilla warfare..: "Get the command out as swiftly as possible.."

greetings ! smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]As always lyot.....thank you!

smile.gif

d

[TimL]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
And just to correct you, this is not military propaganda. This is the real deal as seen by someone who was against the war, yet had to fight in it! Oh, so you actually saw Sadam's sons comitting crimes?

I think you have missed my point. </font>[/QUOTE]No...I think you missed mine. And one did not have to see them commit anything. All one had to do was look at the pitiful state that country was in while those two had mansions, cars, and billions of dollars. F.uck them. </font>[/QUOTE]Being a rich member of the ruling class while you're subjects are poor is not a crime punishable by death. If it was, every rich person in this world deserves death.

No matter what you say, you cannot justify this killing. You have no evidence. there was no due process.

Am I the only person left in this world who is against harming living beings? </font>[/QUOTE]No, you're most definitely not...

[TimL]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
A Vietnam without trees........

d and without a historic museum, too, now :(

[O'love]

what i think is "funny"... i can recall the US being very much against publishing pictures and footage of captured and/or killed warriors...and what are they going to do next? exactly, show pictures of killed people..aarghh....talk about double standards......

Olaf

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by O'love:
what i think is "funny"... i can recall the US being very much against publishing pictures and footage of captured and/or killed warriors...and what are they going to do next? exactly, show pictures of killed people..aarghh....talk about double standards......

Olaf Greetings O'love:


It would seem the Bush administration wants to display their trophies (Saddam's sons) to the world, so we can see what they did.

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"The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."

--Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831.

[ July 24, 2003, 05:41 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[lyot]

Originally posted by O'love:
what i think is "funny"... i can recall the US being very much against publishing pictures and footage of captured and/or killed warriors...and what are they going to do next? exactly, show pictures of killed people..aarghh....talk about double standards......

Olaf are they gonne show the pictures or not ? I heard on the news this morning that this was still under debate (just because of the fact they criticised the showing of pictures of US captives/dead soldiers during the war)... It's a dilemma in a certain sense..They are no doubt willing to break the Iraqi resistance and showing the dead bodies would in that respect be considered a 'good move'.. I do not know if that is indeed so . I think it can easily backfire and make the Iraqi's even more ready to resist..

greetings,

[TAB.]

Funny, until the supposed deaths of these two, I thought the Resistance(I know Bushites hate that word) was being waged by rag-tag insurgents. Now were being told it was centrally controlled by Odai and Usay? and they're dead

Last week they hinted that Al-queda(sp) was behind it.

With 3 more dead today, who's running the show?

What lie, excuse me, exaggeration, are we supposed to swallow this week?

[O'love]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=4UG3SENJRIEJACRBAEKSF FA?type=topNews&storyID=3152630

[martino]

Was it a lie for moral? What do usay? Do u think uday and qusay were dead on tuesday?

favorite nu house tune in iraq: "bran-uday....bran-nu-day" (its a promo). biggrinangel.gif

[O'love]

these are not for weak a stomach:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_802966.html

[richierich]

Oh but let someone show photos of dead AMERRIKAN soldiers being dragged through the streets of MOGADISHU and there's an uproar. So.. what are we supposed to be impressed that THEY hunted down and killed the sons of a HEAD OF STATE and are now displaying the bodies like trophies? We in the U.S are really showing that we are just as barbaric as the next. Shameless!!!! Sinking into the caves that they crawled out of.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by richierich:
Oh but let someone show photos of dead AMERRIKAN soldiers being dragged through the streets of MOGADISHU and there's an uproar. So.. what are we supposed to be impressed that THEY hunted down and killed the sons of a HEAD OF STATE and are now displaying the bodies like trophies? We in the U.S are really showing that we are just as barbaric as the next. Shameless!!!! Sinking into the caves that they crawled out of. Greetings richierich:

Bingo! You said it all.....

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[Bobby]

I love liberal outrage. Comedy.

[domodisco]

Originally posted by Bobby:
I love liberal outrage. Comedy. You can f**k right off with that attitude. I suggest that you visit freerepublic.com's forums.
I think you'll find their ideology suits yours.

There is absolutely nothing I find funny about this situation. No one is saying these weren't bad men. Ever hear of Due Process? The rules of engagement? The Geneva Convention? What about trying them for war crimes? What about the 14 year old boy that was killed, not to mention a bodyguard who was probably just an employee? Did they deserve to die horribly? Last time i checked it was illegal to assassinate people.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
I love liberal outrage. Comedy. You can f**k right off with that attitude. I suggest that you visit freerepublic.com's forums.
I think you'll find their ideology suits yours.

There is absolutely nothing I find funny about this situation. No one is saying these weren't bad men. Ever hear of Due Process? The rules of engagement? The Geneva Convention? What about trying them for war crimes? What about the 14 year old boy that was killed, not to mention a bodyguard who was probably just an employee? Did they deserve to die horribly? Last time i checked it was illegal to assassinate people. </font>[/QUOTE]For the record, their location was identified. The military moved in to apprehend them. They put up a fight. They died.

I'm sure the military wopuld have preferred them alive as well.

And regarding someone claiming that the govt claimed Al Quaida was responsible, that is false. It was Al Quaida themselves that claimed to be running the resistance in Iraq. The US disputed this and called it bogus. The US govt has been claiming that Baath party leaders were directing strikes against US forces from the beginning.

BTW, you won't find a person more anti-war than me. I participated in many demonstrations in NY and DC before it began. Nevertheless, I get my facts straight.

[Bobby]

Come on disco, I like House music that's why I come here.

[domodisco]

"For the record, their location was identified. The military moved in to apprehend them. They put up a fight. They died.

I'm sure the military wopuld have preferred them alive as well."

The military might well have wanted them alive, but ultimately, it wasn't their decision. It was a command decision that in this situation would have come from the very top, not the command on the ground. With SatNav and SatCom, decisions like that are cleared at the highest level, if not Bush, then, it is the next highest.

While the ground commander might have actually "made the call", it was not done without consulting the White House first. You can't tell me that with a couple of concussion or flash bang grenades and a few Special Forces we couldn't have captured them alive? Mighty convenient for the Hussein brothers to be dead. A trial could have been out and out embarrassing. Hell, they could have pulled a Noriega, smoked them out, shipped their asses to Guantanamo...

[Bobby]

Right... "ship their asses to Guantanamo"
So people like you can protest for their release.

[domodisco]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Right... "ship their asses to Guantanamo"
So people like you can protest for their release. First of all - "People like me" - you have no idea who I am.

Are you arguing that killing these men was better than capturing them for intelligence? After all, wasn't the whole rationale that was presented to us for going to war that Saddam posed an immediate and unresovable threat to the United States and our allies? That Iraq had WMDs? Don't you think these men just might have a clue as to where they were, if they existed at all? Instead, we killed them, along with a 14 year old boy and an employee.

Every single death we're responsible for is a war crime because we are waging an illegal war of aggression against a nation that has done absolutely nothing to us, regardless of any congressional resolution...

Look, do not try to tell me that it would be impossibly dangerous to capture these two men. The Allies captured lots of Germans and Japanese during WWII, specifically for the information they could provide.

[JL]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Right... "ship their asses to Guantanamo"
So people like you can protest for their release. your ignorance is astounding. are you a christian?

[mdpm99]

I wondering why they didn't try tear gas or something of that nature where they could have tried to capture them alive.

?

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[Bobby]

When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with.

[JL]

I don't question how our troops acted in that situation, I can never know the circumstances that caused them to shoot in the manner that they did. I support the troops even to that extent.

However, this general pervasive attitude of happiness and joy across America at the deaths of these two, a 14 year old boy, and some others really makes me sick. Especially when coming from so called Christians who fail to realize they are human beings first, not Americans.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by JL:
I don't question how our troops acted in that situation, I can never know the circumstances that caused them to shoot in the manner that they did. I support the troops even to that extent.

However, this general pervasive attitude of happiness and joy across America at the deaths of these two, a 14 year old boy, and some others really makes me sick. Especially when coming from so called Christians who fail to realize they are human beings first, not Americans. I agree that rejoicing over death is uncalled for in any situation.

Nevertheless, when you are being fired upon you retaliate, as self-defence if nothing else. Hussein's sons had ample time to surrender since the fall of Baghdad and they chose not to. They also chose to put their 14-year old son in harm's way. When they were surrounded, they could have surrendered, they did not. And in the end, they were horrible horrible people so I do not pity them in the least.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Bobby:
When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with. It is universally used as a tactic in many a situations.....

just wondering....

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Ps.

JL graemlins/respekt.gif

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by Bobby:
When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with. WORD!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with. WORD! </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Dolemite73 & Bobby:

Never been in a fight in my life....thank goodness for that. smile.gif

Just that I thought there might be other means seeing that it was in an enclosed enviornment.
Ex. In Russia ....in the theatre ..they used a narcotic "gas" - ??

Sorry for my ignorance in this matter. Just trying to sort this out.

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[JL]

138 - I agree with you, and the distinction between pitying their deaths and rejoicing over their deaths is a huge one.

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with. WORD! </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Dolemite73 & Bobby:

Never been in a fight in my life....thank goodness for that. smile.gif

Just that I thought there might be other means seeing that it was in an enclosed enviornment.
Ex. In Russia ....in the theatre ..they used a narcotic "gas" - ??

Sorry for my ignorance in this matter. Just trying to sort this out.

d </font>[/QUOTE]There are non lethal weapons out there. But who is to say this particular unit had them? I doubt that they did. Its all about survival. Its either him or me....and if I got something to do with it, it aint going to be me. That is the mind set over David. Is it right, no. But that is just the way it is.

[richierich]

Man.. Dolemite I feel you on the survival shit...plus they were not gonna be taken alive anyway. This will add to the mystique for those who were loyal to them til the end. Hell if I'm fighting for you you better damn well put your life on the line as well. I would not have surrendered if I were them either.. go out in a hail of bullets guns blazing.. you damn right!!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dolemite73:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
When they're shooting at you I don't think tear gas is what you'd want to counter with. WORD! </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Dolemite73 & Bobby:


Never been in a fight in my life....thank goodness for that. smile.gif

Just that I thought there might be other means seeing that it was in an enclosed enviornment.
Ex. In Russia ....in the theatre ..they used a narcotic "gas" - ??

Sorry for my ignorance in this matter. Just trying to sort this out.

d </font>[/QUOTE]There are non lethal weapons out there. But who is to say this particular unit had them? I doubt that they did. Its all about survival. Its either him or me....and if I got something to do with it, it aint going to be me. That is the mind set over David. Is it right, no. But that is just the way it is. </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Dolemite73:

Thank you for responding to my question.

graemlins/respekt.gif

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[Koffy Brown]

My problem with this whole situation has absoltuely nothing to do with the American troops but everything to do with the Gov't...

You mean to tell me that they didn't know where these men were hiding until now...They are going to save Sadaam and Bin Laden for a later time...around election time next year...it's bullshit...we could've done this shit in the beginning and got it over with, with less casualties...this is just my belief...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
My problem with this whole situation has absoltuely nothing to do with the American troops but everything to do with the Gov't...

You mean to tell me that they didn't know where these men were hiding until now...They are going to save Sadaam and Bin Laden for a later time...around election time next year...it's bullshit...we could've done this shit in the beginning and got it over with, with less casualties...this is just my belief... Greetings AshakiMzuri:

I often wondered why they didn't put the $25 mil reward + $15 mil ea for the sons, ..up a lot sooner....could have save possibly a whole invasion and a lot of money and lives.

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[ July 24, 2003, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[richierich]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
My problem with this whole situation has absoltuely nothing to do with the American troops but everything to do with the Gov't...

You mean to tell me that they didn't know where these men were hiding until now...They are going to save Sadaam and Bin Laden for a later time...around election time next year...it's bullshit...we could've done this shit in the beginning and got it over with, with less casualties...this is just my belief... I agree it will be a well orchestrated spectacle..I can see that silly ass smirk on GW's face now like he's done did his pappy proud.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
My problem with this whole situation has absoltuely nothing to do with the American troops but everything to do with the Gov't...

You mean to tell me that they didn't know where these men were hiding until now...They are going to save Sadaam and Bin Laden for a later time...around election time next year...it's bullshit...we could've done this shit in the beginning and got it over with, with less casualties...this is just my belief... I agree it will be a well orchestrated spectacle..I can see that silly ass smirk on GW's face now like he's done did his pappy proud. </font>[/QUOTE]President Smirk.....

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[Bobby]

Kinda reminds you of Clinton when he done went to bombin' stuff during his Monica troubles.

[Doctor Love]

I am rather disgusted by all this.
The Bush administration is putting a lot of blood on Americans hands.
I can not agree with assassinations of people.
Never mind the fact that the platform for this war was based on fabricated evidence.


"The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."

--Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831.


"Blood may be thicker than water, but oil is thicker than blood."

--Doctor Love, 2003.

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[Bobby]

It was hardly an "assasination" It was a freakin shootout. Get that crap through your thick heads.

[Jolyon]

They would never have been taken alive in my opinion. It looks from the pix that one of them shot himself in the mouth.

[O'love]

Originally posted by Bobby:
It was hardly an "assasination" It was a freakin shootout. Get that crap through your thick heads. wait until some foreign soldiers start running through *your* street and starting "only" a shootout... "yes...we killed the president.....but it was no assasination, it was just a shootout..we wanted to save the American people from their evil leader, so we had to come over to the US, but he was hiding, and they started shooting at us, so we had to shoot back.."

Olaf

[mdpm99]

Only the dead have seen the end of war.

- Plato

[TAB.]

With a 30 Million Dollar Bounty(Dead or Alive), I'd hardly call this mere shootout.



Originally posted by Bobby:
It was hardly an "assasination" It was a freakin shootout. Get that crap through your thick heads.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by T.A.B:
With a 30 Million Dollar Bounty(Dead or Alive), I'd hardly call this mere shootout.


</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
It was hardly an "assasination" It was a freakin shootout. Get that crap through your thick heads. </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings T.A.B:

Sounds like the bottom line to me too.

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