Legendary Deejays and Clubs

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

This came from a hip hop website:

LEGENDARY DJS
"In the seventies, when clubs only needed one DJ, that DJ was in a position to make waves. And in cities where the clubs were usually soundtracked by jukeboxes, those waves could become a storm. "

As a DJ, Larry Levan had an impeccable sense of style and taste and his landmark work in the studio led to the first whole album concept where the DJ/(re)mixer gets top billing over the original artist. Larry has mixed around 80 songs for 15+ labels. Quite a number of today's most successful producers and DJs credit their first exposure to Larry's music at The Garage as a moment that changed their lives forever and inspired their whole careers...

But before Larry Levan there was Kool Herc who by most accounts was the first DJ to buy two copies of the same record for just a 15-second break (rhythmic instrumental segment) in the middle. By mixing back and forth between the two copies he was able to double, triple, or indefinitely extend the break. In so doing, Herc effectively deconstructed and reconstructed so-called found sound, using the turntable as a musical instrument.

Ron Hardy When Ron Hardy, who had begun DJing in 1974 took over the decks at The Music Box on the south side of Chicago,he pioneered a different sound; Hardy's mix of disco, European electronica, industrial and alternative sounds was spiced with tape edits which he would manipulate and pause by hand. The Music Box became known as a rough, wild and hedonistic club it was here that the straight black crowds from the south side caught the bug.

Tee Scott Tee Scott was the first of modern DJs. He started DJing in the early seventies, the 12" record wasn't even around yet. Tee Scott got his break at New York club Better Days, where he installed his own sound system. He is often compared to and mentioned with his friend Larry Levan. Together, they laid the foundations of club culture and started a great tradition still carried on until today in clubs like the Loft, Shelter and Body and Soul

Francis Grasso: White DJ Francis Grasso invented the technique of `slip-cueing': holding the disc with his thumb whilst the turntable whirled beneath, insulated by a felt pad. He'd locate with an earphone the best spot to make the splice, then release the next side precisely on the beat...His tour de force was playing two records simultaneously for as long as two minutes at a stretch.

LEGENDARY NIGHTCLUBS

There are two US clubs that had simultaneously broken the barriers of race and sexual preference, two clubs that were to pass on into dance music legend - Chicago's Warehouse and New York's Paradise Garage. Up until then, and after, the norm was for black, hispanic, white, straight and gay to segregate themselves, but with the Warehouse, opened in 1977 and presided over by Frankie Knuckles and the Paradise Garage where Larry Levan spun, the emphasis was on the music. And the music was as varied as the clienteles - r'n'b based Black dance music and disco peppered with things as diverse as The Clash's 'Magnificent Seven'. For most people, these were the places that acted as breeding grounds for the music that eventually came to be known after the clubs - house and garage.

*Music Box Chicago, Ron Hardy created the environment for the house explosion. Where Knuckles' sound was still very much based in disco, Hardy was the DJ that went for the rawest, wildest rhythm tracks he could find and he made The Music Box the inspirational temple for pretty much every DJ and producer that was to come out of the Chicago scene *Paradise Garage New York, 1976: The Paradise Garage was the legendary club which was located at 84 King Street, New York from 1976 till 1987. The Paradise Garage club gave its name to garage music, New York's flavor of underground dance music. . *Warehouse Chicago, 1978.

The Windy City is not exactly a dance music mecca. Like the majority of American cities still are today, Chicago was a rock and blues town. Plenty of live music and beer swilling bars, but not much in the way of dancing or clubs. A young DJ, newly arrived from New York, opens a club named The Warehouse, and will unwittingly change the lives of thousands of people in the late 80's and early '90s. That DJ was Frankie Knuckles *The Loft David Mancuso:

I started giving rent parties which basically it's still down to the same thing, to manage and afford a life-style, that's basically the goal, to have a good time *Stonewall The Stonewall was a gay bar in Greenwich Village that was raided--for no apparent reason--by the police in the late 60's for being a gay establishment.

The Stonewall Riots are considered the birth of militant gay rights and ushered in the era of gay pride *Studio 54 blahzay ... blahzay *Better Days Opened in the 1972 and closed in 1988. It was located on West 49th Street. DJs Tee Scott, Bruce Forest, Francois Kevorkian , Kenny Carpenter, Larry Patterson, Shep Pettibone, and others played to a loyal, attitudeless black crowd over a period of more than 15 years *Sanctuary "...this discotheque opened up in a converted German Baptist church in the Hell's Kitchen area of New York in 1969 and was probably the first nightclub. The altar was the deejay box." *Sand Piper on Fire Island Tom Moulton related *Galaxy 21 New York area club.

1976: Walter Gibbons was the DJ, Francois K. had been hired to play live drums on top of Walter's mixes. Kenny Carpenter, who must have been 17 at the time, did the lights. *Gallery New York club where both Larry Levan as well as Frankie Knuckles learned their basic mixing skills. It was owned by Nicky Siano. Loleatta's first performance as a club artist was at The Gallery. *Continental Baths Levan got his break in 1972 when the DJ at the club where he worked, the Continental Baths, was sacked. The owner told him to go home and get some records *Experiment 4 In 1976, Jellybean was spinnin' here. Francois K replaced him for an evening.

This was Francois K's debut as a DJ. *Private Eyes The first in NYC to have video as the main attraction--34 screens playing many different images at once while people danced or just hung out. Run by Steve Sukman, it was a big record industry hangout from 1983 to 1987. *Fun House Jellybean's club. 'Stone Fox Chase' by Area Code 615 was a popular track there.

Legendary New York club, founded in 1970 by David Mancuso. Loft Classics. * Shelter Timmy Regisford was and is chief DJ of this venue. * Body And Soul This is what House music is all about. Body & Soul, the only Sunday afternoon party in New York City occupies the same space as the legendary Shelter, home of Timmy Regisford and garage heads of the late 1980's.

With Francois Kevorkian, Joe Clausell and Danny Krivit on the decks from 3:00 pm till 10:00pm every Sunday, there is no better place in the world to experience what House music is all about; positivity, unity and bangin' tracks. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, male, female, straight & gay, everyone is here to get along and groove to the best the New York underground has to offer. * Zanzibar "I remember when Zanz[ibar] was the Lincoln Motel, and when it became Zanz (1979/1980?), I think every Wednesday, they had one of the top jocks at that time play. Tee Scott, Larry Levan, Hippie Torales , etc.. That's what got it going. I don't recall Tony Humphries. Merlin Bobb was a doorman.



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[mhd]

not bad, some holes or mistakes, hopefully, a reader will be inspired to look a little deeper, nice to see ron get the love he deserves

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by mhd:
not bad, some holes or mistakes, hopefully, a reader will be inspired to look a little deeper, nice to see ron get the love he deserves agreed.....

A couple of the holes ...one could drive a truck through.

d

[ July 18, 2003, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Hippie]

Pretty good to rouse interest but definetly needs some research so the facts can be straight. Don't always go by what you read make some calls get it straight from the horses mouth whenever possible. Got me excited enough to read though!!!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Pretty good to rouse interest but definetly needs some research so the facts can be straight. Don't always go by what you read make some calls get it straight from the horses mouth whenever possible. Got me excited enough to read though!!! Greetings Hippie:

What gets me is that too often people will just lift info from various places and print it without
verification. Sometimes it is just to sell books/magazines or whatever. This also happens with some of the music that comes out too. We are shooting ourselves in the foot when we allow this to happen.

One of the main reasons I started to do IV's in the last 6 years was because I got fed up with so much misinformation. Especially for the folks who are not with us presently. Someone has to speak up for them when necessary.

I believe that some of this misinformation will be put to rest "around Nov." of this year. Hint Hint.

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d

[Hippie]

Hey David I agree. Unfortunatly I believe alot of reporters get it wrong on purpose. They do it so it sounds better in there own minds but the facts get distorted in the process. I hope that the Nov info is ready by then!!!!

[ July 18, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

[Mike Barnes]

About 5 years ago, I posted up some information about Zanzibar and how Tee Scott did not get the respect and praise for rocking there in the early to mid 80's, And a cat named Farid from Newark,New Jersey responded to my posting, And the comments mentioned in this posting about Zanzibar is Farid's words, But, i recently found out that my name was attached to Farid's comments on the internet when you look for information concerning Zanzibar, No disrespect to Farid, But i know how cats feel when it comes to not having things correct as far as who is giving information, I try to go by my own experiences and pass it(Information)around, And Get intouch with cats who were there in the beginning(Dance music scene and Hiphop Scene)as far as doing research, and hopefully connecting the dots on who was doing what back in the day.
Later
Mike Barnes

[Hippie]

Hey Mike your post is not the problem as far as I'm concerned. It's the magazine and books that get written. people have a tendency to believe it to be true because it's in a book or in a magazine. And I believe it's not so much what there written in but more how those reporters get it wrong.

[ July 18, 2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

[Hippie]

It reminds me of American history books and how it's almost always proven wrong later. You have to always take the writers prejudice in account.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Hippie:
It reminds me of American history books and how it's almost always proven wrong later. You have to always take the writers prejudice in account. hippie, you would be amazed, but then again maybe not, at the lack of respect for accurate history that many people demonstrate

[Wild i]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
not bad, some holes or mistakes, hopefully, a reader will be inspired to look a little deeper, nice to see ron get the love he deserves agreed.....

A couple of the holes ...one could drive a truck through.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Hey Dave, can you enlighten us on some of those holes?

I've gotten 2 or 3 email requests to set up interviews with Tee. My response: "Good luck with that."

I've seen Tee's DOD quoted wrong twice in a single article. It's shoddy journalism at best, something that has become everyone's right thanks to the internet. Just remember, web notes are just a place to start. If you really want to know the deal, one must investigate.

We are very fortunate to still have folks like David, Hippie, Frankie and others who were there at the beginning still alive when so many have gone to the big club in the sky.

Mike Barnes, always humble and always on point. Mike could say the wildest thing in the world about house and I would still believe him over any of these internet sources.

Still, it's good to have a forum for discussion.

[mhd]

The Windy City is not exactly a dance music mecca. Like the majority of American cities still are today, Chicago was a rock and blues town. Plenty of live music and beer swilling bars, but not much in the way of dancing or clubs. A young DJ, newly arrived from New York, opens a club named The Warehouse, and will unwittingly change the lives of thousands of people in the late 80's and early '90s. That DJ was Frankie Knuckles

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the only thing accurate about this paragraph is that Frankie was from New York

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Hey David I agree. Unfortunatly I believe alot of reporters get it wrong on purpose. They do it so it sounds better in there own minds but the facts get distorted in the process. I hope that the Nov info is ready by then!!!! as an editor, i disagree. i think the main problem with reporters is laziness. rarely do they go to multiple sources....

[Moksha]

Originally posted by mhd:
The Windy City is not exactly a dance music mecca. Like the majority of American cities still are today, Chicago was a rock and blues town. Plenty of live music and beer swilling bars, but not much in the way of dancing or clubs. A young DJ, newly arrived from New York, opens a club named The Warehouse, and will unwittingly change the lives of thousands of people in the late 80's and early '90s. That DJ was Frankie Knuckles

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the only thing accurate about this paragraph is that Frankie was from New York oh man, thats terrible!

[Hippie]

Sorry Konbit but if that's true I just gave ladyboygrimsby an interview and he got it wrong in some places. So he went straight to the source and got it wrong so something is wrong with this picture.

[Jamie 3:26]

Wow.Robert Williams just was the doorman at the Warehouse huh??

It's a damn shame.First off.The Box was not on the south side.It was in the south loop.I get tired of hearing that.I never see the credit that Ronnie helped to break a lot of the early chicago made house music.

I am glad that Rob gave me the chance to interview him,so folks could hear it straight from the horses mouth.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Sorry Konbit but if that's true I just gave ladyboygrimsby an interview and he got it wrong in some places. So he went straight to the source and got it wrong so something is wrong with this picture. I highly doubt that Bill purposely made any mistakes. Unlike a lot of the writers i deal with, Bill and Frank are very thorough, putting a high value on research and conducting extensive interviews. There will always be un-avoidable mistakes in journalism, just like in any other profession. And as with any history...writers have to try and make a singular picture out of numerous, often contradictory, anecdotes.

As far as dance journalism on the whole...Honestly, I think that most dance music reporters lack the agenda, talent and creativity to purposely re-write history. It's not like we are sharing writers with Harpers or the Economist. To accuse them of conspiracies is probably giving them too much credit.

Innacuracies are 90% of the time due to laziness...which in turn is probably due to the fact that there is very little $$$ in dance reporting....thus, writers are having to spend most of their time hustling up work and chasing down invoices instead of researching, re-writing their work, etc.

Thankfully, people like Bill and Frank are the exception to all this, and have written some great stuff, which they are continuously trying to correct and perfect.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by mhd:
The Windy City is not exactly a dance music mecca. Like the majority of American cities still are today, Chicago was a rock and blues town. Plenty of live music and beer swilling bars, but not much in the way of dancing or clubs. A young DJ, newly arrived from New York, opens a club named The Warehouse, and will unwittingly change the lives of thousands of people in the late 80's and early '90s. That DJ was Frankie Knuckles

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the only thing accurate about this paragraph is that Frankie was from New York The Warehouse must have had a delayed effect in changing people's lives in the late 80's and early 90's. It closed in '83. Must've been the punch......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ July 18, 2003, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Sorry Konbit but if that's true I just gave ladyboygrimsby an interview and he got it wrong in some places. So he went straight to the source and got it wrong so something is wrong with this picture. Greetings Hippie:

I just received a letter unsigned from "someone" with a PO Box # stating that "Mr. Mel Cheren cannot take responsibility for everything that is written in his book."

This was a response to an e mail I sent regarding one of many statements made in his book where I am mentioned.

What gets me is that I was never once asked to verify anything regarding his book where it involved me.

My tele # is listed and I kept myself accessible to one and all.

Go figure!

d

[Mike Barnes]

Say Melanie, Good lookin with the very kind words, I'm very serious/passionate when it comes to the Dance music and Old School Hiphop scenes, I only lie when i mention anything about Basketball though(LOL).
Later
Mike Barnes

[rob gregory]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hippie:
Sorry Konbit but if that's true I just gave ladyboygrimsby an interview and he got it wrong in some places. So he went straight to the source and got it wrong so something is wrong with this picture. Greetings Hippie:

I just received a letter unsigned from "someone" with a PO Box # stating that "Mr. Mel Cheren cannot take responsibility for everything that is written in his book."

This was a response to an e mail I sent regarding one of many statements made in his book where I am mentioned.

What gets me is that I was never once asked to verify anything regarding his book where it involved me.

My tele # is listed and I kept myself accessible to one and all.

Go figure!

d </font>[/QUOTE]I was listening to an interview with Tom Moulton and the interviewer ask him, "How can people get in contact with you?" Tom said his number had been in the phone book for years.

I guess the assumption is made that certain people are not accessible.

[Jolyon]

Very interesting thread.

I'm a journalist but my background is politics rather than music.

Just recently I've undertaken a couple of projects covering some of the history of dance music/disco/disc jockeys. One thing that I find interesting is, in the world of politics EVERYTHING has to be checked and double checked whenever possible. I think dance/music journalism is not quite so rigorous which is maybe why sometimes facts don't always get checked.

As David will testify, with one of the projects I'm working on, I want to make sure all facts are checked and correct before sending for publication...it is a helpful process in my experience and something I've picked up from working in politics I guess. It's also respectful. You can get in BIG trouble in the world of politics if you misreport something or don't bother to check facts so it's been drilled into me I guess.

A couple of things I would say though, in defense of journalists.

First, journalists have deadlines and sometimes are under A LOT of pressure to produce the goods quickly. This can mean that facts are not always double or treble checked. Secondly, journalists often receive contrasting accounts, particularly of events that took place a long time ago - things can become folklore without ever having been written down remember - sometimes it's hard to know what is the truth and what is not. And, lastly, some journalists are idle and just crib from everyone else without bothering to check anything at all.

Bill will defend himself. All I will say is this - I think it's a great book. Nobody else has really made the effort to write such a comprehensive book about the DJ before. It has taught a lot of people a lot of new things. Bill and Frank will be the first to admit there are some inaccuracies and I am sure they will want to amend them in future editions.

I know too that B & F were up against a very very tight deadline and they ended up with big debts while working hard to write their book. It was a labour of love. Anyone who knows Bill and Frank knows they haven't put anything in the book maliciously.

Just my two cents. This is an interesting topic.

[mdpm99]

Jolyon

Yes I can attest that you have paid close attention to details. smile.gif

I do want to mention that when people go into someone's personal or private life and then print it without direct confirmation or their permission --then this is not good.

Also facts should be held consistent or not printed at all. A lot of times I see it as laziness.....when it could have been avoided. If you cannot do something right than don't do it all.

Karma......

Me penny's worth

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[Hippie]

Hey I have nothing against Bill I think he tries very hard to get things right what I was referring to was the fact he spoke to me directly and it still came out wrong in some places. To me that means there is something wrong with this picture. It could be lack of properly expressing my history to Bill or something else but if I speak to you as a reporter and it's wrong when it's printed what can I do! Other than start asking like celebrities do to have final approval before it is printed. Then we can cut down on the mistakes.

[Rob.J]

Ok this article may have holes and all.

BUT........this is an article from a "HIP HOP" magazine :eek: , the mere fact that disco, house etc is being mentioned is GREAT....may lead to a few heads checking out T.Scott etc, Not implying that they do not know of him or the others already but still smile.gif

Have there been anymore articles re. the dance pioneers in any other Hip Hop mags...?

heres to many more (well informed :D ) articles of the scene in other mags graemlins/cheering.gif

rob

[Rob.J]

Anyone agree ?

[melodic]

Hey Mike your post is not the problem as far as I'm concerned. It's the magazine and books that get written. people have a tendency to believe it to be true because it's in a book or in a magazine. And I believe it's not so much what there written in but more how those reporters get it wrong.

I am always weary about what I read in some books, magazines, and internet websites. Some of these sites seem to expand on info via unreliable secondary sources. (i.e. some reports state that Larry died from the "monster." While other reports state he died from endocarditis) ....who's telling the truth.

[melodic]

I just received a letter unsigned from "someone" with a PO Box # stating that "Mr. Mel Cheren cannot take responsibility for everything that is written in his book."

This was a response to an e mail I sent regarding one of many statements made in his book where I am mentioned.

What gets me is that I was never once asked to verify anything regarding his book where it involved me.


Dear David
I think some of us already know that "book" is not 100% accurate.

[Rob.J]

So would you prefer nothing as opposed to something (flawed) written in a hip hop magazine that exposes this scene to a rap audience (i'm not generalizing as stated in my previous post)

Over the years on this site there have be discussions about the hip hop / rap audience not embracing or even liking house/disco etc...

Someone finally puts an article (not the best but info non the less) in a hip hop/rap mag and this is still not good enough..?

Please discuss

rob

[Rob.J]

By the way this in no way ment to be disrepectful to David M et al.

rob

[Ronnie Ron]

It is my understanding that Hippie Torales was one of the first DJ at Abes Disco later Named Club Zanzibar (Correct me if im wrong Hippie) and to say they didnt remember Tony Humphries at the Zanz WOW???, yeah that article has a lot of holes in it.

R-R

[mhd]

Originally posted by Rob.J:
So would you prefer nothing as opposed to something (flawed) written in a hip hop magazine that exposes this scene to a rap audience (i'm not generalizing as stated in my previous post)

Over the years on this site there have be discussions about the hip hop / rap audience not embracing or even liking house/disco etc...

Someone finally puts an article (not the best but info non the less) in a hip hop/rap mag and this is still not good enough..?

Please discuss

rob no. why would anyone want lies, distortions, inaccuracies to spread. that does not make sense does it? Not everyone wants to "convert" others.

[Mah'chew]

Thanks to the DHP a lot of knowledge is testified or falsified.

You could say we've got a regular little Court of House right here graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ July 19, 2003, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Mah'chew ]

[mdpm99]

A good journalist will triple check their info they receive before having it published.

There is no excuse for anything less.

d

[melodic]

Over the years on this site there have be discussions about the hip hop / rap audience not embracing or even liking house/disco etc...


I would like for the Source magazine, XXl or any other hiphop mag to document this dance music/club history so that the young can get a hold of the info. However, when info is not well researched or documented, problems are sure to follow. I don't know about anyone else; but In my experiences of writing essays and documenting sources, I felt it was my responsibility to use sources that are reliable. For those who have "been there" and "done that," you cannot compromise facts with misinformation.

[Mike Barnes]

Say RobJ, I've always felt that if you put information in a public setting, At least have some experiences or exposure to what your talking about, And do your research very,very, hard(Like David Mancuso and Melodic mentioned earlier), Because cats will step to you(Hopefully not phyically), And challenge what you say if the information is not correct(Very Big holes), Having information about some of the Legends of Dance Music on a hip hop site is alright, But shit, How many hiphop sites have credible information about the Legends and Pioneers of Hiphop(LOL), Without talking about the same cats on the regular, Like Flash(Grandmaster Flash)Bam(Afrika Bambatta),Kool Herc,Mele Mel, Kurtis Blow, Etc, I would like to see hiphop sites put information out on cats like Grandmaster Flowers,Pete Dj Jones, Dj Plummer, Reggie Wells,Disco King Mario, Dj Breakout(Funky Four), As well as Dj Hollywood, Eddie Chebba,Coke La Rock, JJ The Disco King, Lovebug Starski, Etc, There are alot of cats who are left out of hip hop sites and magazines that are still around today(As well as the Dance music Legends), That cats/Young ladies are unaware of/Or do they really care, My point is, Do the research hard if you never been exposed to what your talking about.
Later
Mike Barnes

[Moksha]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
A good journalist will triple check their info they receive before having it published.

There is no excuse for anything less.

d True! But like members of any profession, a lage percentage of journalists would rather do things quickly and incompletely. Honestly, dance music journalists are often not as skilled, talented or motivated as other journalists. But then again, when the specialty often pays less than 10 cents a word, you can't expect the best and brightest to sign up. Sad, but true.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by melodic:
Over the years on this site there have be discussions about the hip hop / rap audience not embracing or even liking house/disco etc...


I would like for the Source magazine, XXl or any other hiphop mag to document this dance music/club history so that the young can get a hold of the info. However, when info is not well researched or documented, problems are sure to follow. I don't know about anyone else; but In my experiences of writing essays and documenting sources, I felt it was my responsibility to use sources that are reliable. For those who have "been there" and "done that," you cannot compromise facts with misinformation. Well said!

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d

[Rob.J]

Agreed smile.gif , thanks for the replys.

rob

[TimL]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
A good journalist will triple check their info they receive before having it published.

There is no excuse for anything less.

d

[TimL]

Originally posted by TimL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
A good journalist will triple check their info they receive before having it published.

There is no excuse for anything less.

d </font>[/QUOTE]wooops, haven't got the hang of this yet. sorree. and where have i been all of these years, dear deep house? too busy writing, i suppose...

three times? david, i must have gone backwards and forwards with you at least a hundred time over the last seven (or is it eight?) years for this not-so-little history that i've been writing on 1970s dance culture. i remember it took me a good couple of years to confirm that seymour and shelley didn't buy into the sanctuary until 1970. and that discovery shifted the whole balance of how the sanctuary should be positioned within the history of dance culture. i remember that different interviewees gave different versions and different evidences . it's a tough job mediating between these and other accounts that are often conflicting.

and let's face it. we only need to read today's newspapers re david kelly :( to realise that journos and politicos can't agree on what happened yesterday. what's depressing is the way that certain styles of writing and certain agendas repeatedly dominate the wider news agenda (see the onslaught from murdoch's papers on the bbc on the above). i suppose this is one reason why i'm now happy to be logging onto deep house. too bad that i'm about to go away for five weeks...

tim

[Jolyon]

Welcome Tim!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by TimL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TimL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
A good journalist will triple check their info they receive before having it published.

There is no excuse for anything less.

d </font>[/QUOTE]wooops, haven't got the hang of this yet. sorree. and where have i been all of these years, dear deep house? too busy writing, i suppose...

three times? david, i must have gone backwards and forwards with you at least a hundred time over the last seven (or is it eight?) years for this not-so-little history that i've been writing on 1970s dance culture. i remember it took me a good couple of years to confirm that seymour and shelley didn't buy into the sanctuary until 1970. and that discovery shifted the whole balance of how the sanctuary should be positioned within the history of dance culture. i remember that different interviewees gave different versions and different evidences . it's a tough job mediating between these and other accounts that are often conflicting.

and let's face it. we only need to read today's newspapers re david kelly :( to realise that journos and politicos can't agree on what happened yesterday. what's depressing is the way that certain styles of writing and certain agendas repeatedly dominate the wider news agenda (see the onslaught from murdoch's papers on the bbc on the above). i suppose this is one reason why i'm now happy to be logging onto deep house. too bad that i'm about to go away for five weeks...

tim </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Tim:

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Welcome to DHP! We will be l@@king fwd to your threads/posts in the future.

As you are a writer ....I want to thank you for pointing out about how important it is to confirm/verify information.

Have a safe and healthy trip to Italy -



Love Saves the Day

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d

[ July 22, 2003, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]