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Anyone else feel like in certain respects we're at an all-time low in this country? I'm afraid to really confront what it says about Americans that we could "elect" such a clueless president and such an unqualified creep as Governor of California.
Soleful
10-07-2003, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by AK:
Anyone else feel like in certain respects we're at an all-time low in this country? I'm afraid to really confront what it says about Americans that we could "elect" such a clueless president and such an unqualified creep as Governor of California. After the speech his wife gave, I think she should've run.
C hristian
10-07-2003, 11:24 PM
don't vote = don't complain
It looks like we still have a lot of ignorant people in California. More than half of our state is retarded. Today is the first day of hell. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
Pete Nice
10-08-2003, 12:51 AM
is it okay for me to cry now. i don't even know what to say.... it's like being in high school and the popular jock kid won by saying the least and lookin' the best. now that's l.a.(california) to the bone. he will be like so many who come to l.a. just to make money and leave. rarely leaving anything decent behind. we're a freakin' trend, not a state. maybe i did know what i wanted to say. graemlins/cussing.gif graemlins/all_coholic.gif graemlins/cussing.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/all_coholic.gif graemlins/cussing.gif graemlins/mecry.gif
Red D
10-08-2003, 01:01 AM
It's a friggin joke but it ain't funny, the next thing we know action hero is the 'leader of the free world' as US presidents like to call themselves, we already had an actor and two rednecks the last two decades, I don't know about you but I preferred good old Bill, the occasional lipskilled slut underneath his desk and he was a happy man and a sensible leader.
Another dark day for the world.
RD
Jolyon
10-08-2003, 02:44 AM
Strange times. Very depressing.
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 05:22 AM
its not a joke its for real....sheep are meant to be shorn and the black plowman is the embodiment of "will to power"....with so many assholes running around my ass should move to california tppp - and take advantage of as many as possible
Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
It looks like we still have a lot of ignorant people in California. More than half of our state is retarded. Today is the first day of hell. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif You write pretty well, considering......JMJ
Originally posted by AK:
Anyone else feel like in certain respects we're at an all-time low in this country? I'm afraid to really confront what it says about Americans that we could "elect" such a clueless president and such an unqualified creep as Governor of California. had a similar thought this morning. we're putting control of the country in the hands of celebrities (reagan, ventura, etc.)
i don't know. i'm looking at it differently. we all know that california is a VERY democratic state and for the people to vote in a republican instead of a hispanic(considering the HIGH population of hispanics there) democrat tells me that the people were VERY pissed and willingly to go out on a limb with someone as clueless as arnold. maybe this will send out a message to future governors, since i think california is one of the few states that has the "recall" clause in their constitution(but don't quote me on that), that they better get their ass in gear because the people will have no problem kicking someone out if they feel someone is doing them wrong. just like they felt that governor davis was and let's face it, the man was no angel and obviously did some shit(or did not i should say in this instance) to piss off the california people to actually remove him from office. but then again, i do not know all the details so i'm just giving my two cents on the little that i've read and seen on t.v.
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 07:03 AM
the end of California started in the 70's with proposition 13...i found an interesting quote that i'd like to share
..."the beginning of the end was California's Proposition 13, the antitax initiative that set off a nationwide tax revolt in the late 1970s and thus, in Schrag's view, set the economically comfortable against the lower classes. That politically successful initiative also set a precedent California activists have followed ever since: bypass the state legislature and have the people vote directly on matters about which they know very little. California's initiative and proposition system, first set up by Progressives in the early twentieth century, has all the marks of popular democracy; and to the extent that Californians are able to think and make decisions about political issues for themselves, it is that. But whether the average Californian is really capable of or interested in doing that is unclear. "California is a capital-letter cautionary tale," Schrag writes; "the process of bedazzling voters with sound bites, slogans, and nuanced bias works as handsomely in the initiative process as it does in electoral politics." "
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:05 AM
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;)
ChiJAM
10-08-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by JoeB:
i don't know. i'm looking at it differently. we all know that california is a VERY democratic state and for the people to vote in a republican instead of a hispanic(considering the HIGH population of hispanics there) democrat tells me that the people were VERY pissed and willingly to go out on a limb with someone as clueless as arnold. If it was an informed decision, I would agree. The people may have been very pissed, but should they have been that pissed with Gray Davis? Have they forgotten that the Bush-connected electricity robber barons of Texas contributed mightily to the budget fiasco that Davis is blamed for? Or that Bustamante was fighting for refunds of these illegal profits, whereas, Ah-nold has already said that he'll let the Companies settle for pennies on the dollar? Or that Bush lost California in 2000, but now has his sights set on those electoral votes for 2004? They've been had...
ChiJAM
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
the end of California started in the 70's with proposition 13...i found an interesting quote that i'd like to share
..."the beginning of the end was California's Proposition 13, the antitax initiative that set off a nationwide tax revolt in the late 1970s and thus, in Schrag's view, set the economically comfortable against the lower classes. That politically successful initiative also set a precedent California activists have followed ever since: bypass the state legislature and have the people vote directly on matters about which they know very little. California's initiative and proposition system, first set up by Progressives in the early twentieth century, has all the marks of popular democracy; and to the extent that Californians are able to think and make decisions about political issues for themselves, it is that. But whether the average Californian is really capable of or interested in doing that is unclear. "California is a capital-letter cautionary tale," Schrag writes; "the process of bedazzling voters with sound bites, slogans, and nuanced bias works as handsomely in the initiative process as it does in electoral politics." " the founders of this country would have cringed at what is going on in California...they realized that we could have a "tyranny of the majority" and that the average person was an idiot and put checks and balances against whimsical behavior on the national level ( executive, judicial and a legislative branch that has staggered elections)....Californian "democracy "is why that state is in the gutter
ChiJAM
10-08-2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) That's another issue unto itself--Diebold Election Systems.
ChiJAM
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:15 AM
u should change the thread subject to Arnold's erection
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind </font>[/QUOTE]mmm... sorry, didn't watch CNN today...
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
It looks like we still have a lot of ignorant people in California. More than half of our state is retarded. Today is the first day of hell. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif You write pretty well, considering......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind </font>[/QUOTE]mmm... sorry, didn't watch CNN today... </font>[/QUOTE]neither did i, its called common knowledge
Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) You got that right! With Dumbya and the Dumbinator taking care of shit here, there's no stopping us. Damn we're great! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind </font>[/QUOTE]mmm... sorry, didn't watch CNN today... </font>[/QUOTE]neither did i, its called common knowledge </font>[/QUOTE]i bet i know more about America then u know about Israel... no need for schooling here thank u.
Big up to the one like the Reagan. The man started it all.
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) You got that right! With Dumbya and the Dumbinator taking care of shit here, there's no stopping us. Damn we're great! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif </font>[/QUOTE]now A got me str8 ;)
The Buddy Love Show
10-08-2003, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind </font>[/QUOTE]mmm... sorry, didn't watch CNN today... </font>[/QUOTE]neither did i, its called common knowledge </font>[/QUOTE]i bet i know more about America then u know about Israel... no need for schooling here thank u. </font>[/QUOTE]Uh huh...and you live on the front lines and you see the brutality every day and we in the U.S. are fools who get our news from TV and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
djyoavb
10-08-2003, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
now America is choosing the right people to lead her ;) ummmm...actually California is choosing its leader...you see there are 50 states and, ...never mind </font>[/QUOTE]mmm... sorry, didn't watch CNN today... </font>[/QUOTE]neither did i, its called common knowledge </font>[/QUOTE]i bet i know more about America then u know about Israel... no need for schooling here thank u. </font>[/QUOTE]Uh huh...and you live on the front lines and you see the brutality every day and we in the U.S. are fools who get our news from TV and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ </font>[/QUOTE]some of u... yeah graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Leslie
10-08-2003, 07:41 AM
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go.
ChiJAM
10-08-2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? I'm sure it's merely a confirmation to them as to our true state of affairs.
ChiJAM
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go. Greetings Leslie:
I wonder if he will choose the JV model....talk alot and do nothing or the Reagan model and reach out to the Demo's and try to cut deals.
d
Bill Blake
10-08-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go. Leslie its just ‘brand name recognition’ (that’s a real political science term)...
Not too different on why its so much easier for a son like Bush to run after his father....
This isn’t that uncommon.
What that ladies name in Italy with the mega huge titties that was in parliament?
Besides, I seriously doubt he could be more embarrassing than Bush.
Leslie
10-08-2003, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go. Greetings Leslie:
I wonder if he will choose the JV model....talk alot and do nothing or the Reagan model and reach out to the Demo's and try to cut deals.
d </font>[/QUOTE]First off I am sure every dead Kennedy is turning in their grave. This man has no political track record. I would have had no problem if the Republican candidate, who at least has some type of political history, had been chosen. But this, this is just an outright disgrace. David, given his background I can only imagine what model he will choose. I can't see him reaching out to the Dems since he ran on a platform of "reform" and "sweeping out the old".
der geile hund
10-08-2003, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
What that ladies name in Italy with the mega huge titties that was in parliament?Cicciolina.
She was a porn star, and I think she was also married to Jeff Koons.
Fletch
10-08-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
the end of California started in the 70's with proposition 13...i found an interesting quote that i'd like to share
..."the beginning of the end was California's Proposition 13, the antitax initiative that set off a nationwide tax revolt in the late 1970s and thus, in Schrag's view, set the economically comfortable against the lower classes. That politically successful initiative also set a precedent California activists have followed ever since: bypass the state legislature and have the people vote directly on matters about which they know very little. California's initiative and proposition system, first set up by Progressives in the early twentieth century, has all the marks of popular democracy; and to the extent that Californians are able to think and make decisions about political issues for themselves, it is that. But whether the average Californian is really capable of or interested in doing that is unclear. "California is a capital-letter cautionary tale," Schrag writes; "the process of bedazzling voters with sound bites, slogans, and nuanced bias works as handsomely in the initiative process as it does in electoral politics." " the founders of this country would have cringed at what is going on in California...they realized that we could have a "tyranny of the majority" and that the average person was an idiot and put checks and balances against whimsical behavior on the national level ( executive, judicial and a legislative branch that has staggered elections)....Californian "democracy "is why that state is in the gutter </font>[/QUOTE]To fortify the above argument....Please read Federalist 10, 51.
GROOVE VICTIM
10-08-2003, 08:25 AM
People, what do you expect? This is California, where 5 TV Station Helicoptors will hover over a tree because some lady called 911 because her cat got stuck in it.
Where I witness a community literally shut down when the people found out that Jerry Garcia passed away.
Where people can get a written notice from their physician to smoke weed.
This is California for crying out loud!!!
Peace
djdub63
10-08-2003, 08:28 AM
Since Arnold was allowed to get away with this, we should be allowed to REMOVE Bush with the same principles!
Fletch
10-08-2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by djdub63:
Since Arnold was allowed to get away with this, we should be allowed to REMOVE Bush with the same principles! The US Constitution does not allow it.
GROOVE VICTIM
10-08-2003, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by djdub63:
Since Arnold was allowed to get away with this, we should be allowed to REMOVE Bush with the same principles! You got that right, they tried to remove Clinton because of a BJ, what about removing Bush for giving the world's largest BJ.
Peace
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go. Greetings Leslie:
I wonder if he will choose the JV model....talk alot and do nothing or the Reagan model and reach out to the Demo's and try to cut deals.
d </font>[/QUOTE]First off I am sure every dead Kennedy is turning in their grave. This man has no political track record. I would have had no problem if the Republican candidate, who at least has some type of political history, had been chosen. But this, this is just an outright disgrace. David, given his background I can only imagine what model he will choose. I can't see him reaching out to the Dems since he ran on a platform of "reform" and "sweeping out the old". </font>[/QUOTE]One thing for sure is ( I believe) that if he does well than this is good for Bu$h. There4 the Demo's are more than likely to try and trip him up as 04 is on the horizon.
All n' all Leslie, I agree with you ...as the whole thing is an "outright disgrace."
d
I am appalled that Arnold actually made it this far. I have been noticing a trend in elections in the US...we are given a couple of choices, neither of which looks very good, so people have to choose the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, people don't educate themselves properly before election time, and they just go with a name they recognize. Bush stole the election for President, he should be able to be outed for that! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
the end of California started in the 70's with proposition 13...i found an interesting quote that i'd like to share
..."the beginning of the end was California's Proposition 13, the antitax initiative that set off a nationwide tax revolt in the late 1970s and thus, in Schrag's view, set the economically comfortable against the lower classes. That politically successful initiative also set a precedent California activists have followed ever since: bypass the state legislature and have the people vote directly on matters about which they know very little. California's initiative and proposition system, first set up by Progressives in the early twentieth century, has all the marks of popular democracy; and to the extent that Californians are able to think and make decisions about political issues for themselves, it is that. But whether the average Californian is really capable of or interested in doing that is unclear. "California is a capital-letter cautionary tale," Schrag writes; "the process of bedazzling voters with sound bites, slogans, and nuanced bias works as handsomely in the initiative process as it does in electoral politics." " A recent article from the Tribune wrote about the "myth" of California and how it has arrived at its current state. This is an excerpt which you may find interesting:
Part of California--clearly, its conservatives but also moderates and some liberals--is lashing out against those "special interests" by setting sights on Davis.
And there are so many special interests because the Golden State so often is an amalgam of too much and too little. It has too many people, too large a deficit and too many overpriced homes. It has too little water, too few services, and, for a time, even too little electricity.
The shift from the new Gold Rush days of the 1990s explains the reason behind the state's woes and also its tendency to live and die by the myth. California had come to rely on the seemingly endless revenues spawned in the Silicon Valley, where companies used once-lucrative stock options to pay its workers.
When the dot.com bubble burst, it hit California like a violent fiscal mudslide. The state's Department of Finance reports there was a drop of nearly $80 billion in income from the devaluation of stock options for workers alone, meaning a dramatic drop in state revenues. The NASDAQ had become the gold, and its precipitous plunge caused a far greater fiscal flameout than the depletion of the precious mineral.
The state's finances are a mess and a large segment of California is angry. Angry at the state's inability to deliver basic services, angry at the state spending that has produced record deficits, angry at the car tax that would help ease those same deficits, angry at the eroding quality of its once formidable public education system, angry at the lack of space and time.
At the same time, most opinion polls are projecting that at least half of those who are eligible to vote in the recall probably won't take the time.
People say they don't think Davis was honest with them about the budget. But more generally, they are mad about government, no small irony in that the federal government has always provided the bulk of California's bounty.
The federal government subsidized the railroads, which created great markets for California products. It subsidized the importation and diversion of water. It subsidized the defense industry and its many contractors.
"The sense that California's idea of itself, its preferred idea, is one of great independence from the government and from the rest of the country when in fact it was essentially a dependency on the federal government that made it what it is, all the big money there was made off government, the water, the railroads, the defense industry," Didion said. "You can go through 100 years of big fortunes there. They were all subsidies."
andrea
10-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
It looks like we still have a lot of ignorant people in California. More than half of our state is retarded. Today is the first day of hell. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Oh Please Albert: People were afraid of what more crap Davis was going to hand them. Latinos and Afro-Americans who had been loyal to Davis and the democratic party, voted for Arnold because they wanted a change. I totally changed my mind on the recall when Davis signed the license bill. Arnold touched on 3 issues that I really care about. Driver's license for illegal aliens without a ss#. This is a federal issue, not state and will impact security on a nation that is still on edge after 9/11 when it was found that those involved had false ID's and were able to move around the country as documented. It is unfair to all those who have gone through the immigration process and probably know more about America than we do. Indian gaming, i was part of a focus group a while back and it is only 5 families that benefit from gaming revenue, while countless children and tribal men and women suffer from diabetes for lack of health care and the necessities of life, such as water, electricity, food, education and healthcare because their is a tribal law that limits what the government can do on indian land. Another was the care registration fees, how can people afford paying 3 times of what their current fees are.
I think Arnold will do ok, he will be under a microscope and will adhere to the people's needs, plus he is married to a Kennedy (Shriver) and she will be his equalizer on social issues. Can't look to the past, but look to the future.
andrea
Originally posted by JINX:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
the end of California started in the 70's with proposition 13...i found an interesting quote that i'd like to share
..."the beginning of the end was California's Proposition 13, the antitax initiative that set off a nationwide tax revolt in the late 1970s and thus, in Schrag's view, set the economically comfortable against the lower classes. That politically successful initiative also set a precedent California activists have followed ever since: bypass the state legislature and have the people vote directly on matters about which they know very little. California's initiative and proposition system, first set up by Progressives in the early twentieth century, has all the marks of popular democracy; and to the extent that Californians are able to think and make decisions about political issues for themselves, it is that. But whether the average Californian is really capable of or interested in doing that is unclear. "California is a capital-letter cautionary tale," Schrag writes; "the process of bedazzling voters with sound bites, slogans, and nuanced bias works as handsomely in the initiative process as it does in electoral politics." " A recent article from the Tribune wrote about the "myth" of California and how it has arrived at its current state. This is an excerpt which you may find interesting:
Part of California--clearly, its conservatives but also moderates and some liberals--is lashing out against those "special interests" by setting sights on Davis.
And there are so many special interests because the Golden State so often is an amalgam of too much and too little. It has too many people, too large a deficit and too many overpriced homes. It has too little water, too few services, and, for a time, even too little electricity.
The shift from the new Gold Rush days of the 1990s explains the reason behind the state's woes and also its tendency to live and die by the myth. California had come to rely on the seemingly endless revenues spawned in the Silicon Valley, where companies used once-lucrative stock options to pay its workers.
When the dot.com bubble burst, it hit California like a violent fiscal mudslide. The state's Department of Finance reports there was a drop of nearly $80 billion in income from the devaluation of stock options for workers alone, meaning a dramatic drop in state revenues. The NASDAQ had become the gold, and its precipitous plunge caused a far greater fiscal flameout than the depletion of the precious mineral.
The state's finances are a mess and a large segment of California is angry. Angry at the state's inability to deliver basic services, angry at the state spending that has produced record deficits, angry at the car tax that would help ease those same deficits, angry at the eroding quality of its once formidable public education system, angry at the lack of space and time.
At the same time, most opinion polls are projecting that at least half of those who are eligible to vote in the recall probably won't take the time.
People say they don't think Davis was honest with them about the budget. But more generally, they are mad about government, no small irony in that the federal government has always provided the bulk of California's bounty.
The federal government subsidized the railroads, which created great markets for California products. It subsidized the importation and diversion of water. It subsidized the defense industry and its many contractors.
"The sense that California's idea of itself, its preferred idea, is one of great independence from the government and from the rest of the country when in fact it was essentially a dependency on the federal government that made it what it is, all the big money there was made off government, the water, the railroads, the defense industry," Didion said. "You can go through 100 years of big fortunes there. They were all subsidies." </font>[/QUOTE]Article mentions NOTHING about the energy crisis, which seems to be a major reason of California's financial woes.
Originally posted by andrea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
It looks like we still have a lot of ignorant people in California. More than half of our state is retarded. Today is the first day of hell. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Oh Please Albert: People were afraid of what more crap Davis was going to hand them. Latinos and Afro-Americans who had been loyal to Davis and the democratic party, voted for Arnold because they wanted a change. I totally changed my mind on the recall when Davis signed the license bill. Arnold touched on 3 issues that I really care about. Driver's license for illegal aliens without a ss#. This is a federal issue, not state and will impact security on a nation that is still on edge after 9/11 when it was found that those involved had false ID's and were able to move around the country as documented. It is unfair to all those who have gone through the immigration process and probably know more about America than we do. Indian gaming, i was part of a focus group a while back and it is only 5 families that benefit from gaming revenue, while countless children and tribal men and women suffer from diabetes for lack of health care and the necessities of life, such as water, electricity, food, education and healthcare because their is a tribal law that limits what the government can do on indian land. Another was the care registration fees, how can people afford paying 3 times of what their current fees are.
I think Arnold will do ok, he will be under a microscope and will adhere to the people's needs, plus he is married to a Kennedy (Shriver) and she will be his equalizer on social issues. Can't look to the past, but look to the future.
andrea </font>[/QUOTE]you just proved albert's point
Oh, what a sad day it is for me.
I went to a record store yesterday and asked the people there if they voted, and all I got was a bunch of excuses. I guess who's DJ'ing that weekend is more important to these people than Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron. So sad.
And now people are saying things like "well at least the propositions got shut down". I guess this is what Malcolm X referred to as a "pacifier".
Just goes to show you that if you're a famous actor/actress you can do anything you want.
andrea
10-08-2003, 12:32 PM
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint
Originally posted by andrea:
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint I take it you're not aware of Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron?
jurren
10-08-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I don't even live in Cali and when I saw the news this morning I was embarressed for them. Can you imagine how the restof the world is just laughing at this? Pathetic, and I thought Jesse Ventura was about as low as we could go. Leslie its just ‘brand name recognition’ (that’s a real political science term)...
Not too different on why its so much easier for a son like Bush to run after his father....
This isn’t that uncommon.
What that ladies name in Italy with the mega huge titties that was in parliament?
Besides, I seriously doubt he could be more embarrassing than Bush. </font>[/QUOTE]i don't think comparing the state of your democracy to that of italy, to show that it's not that bad, is going to help your argument.
italy's berlusconi is probably twice as stupid as bush, and he even controls 90% of italian media. he even got the italian parliament to pass a law, to make sure, he didn't have to go to court on charges of fraude.
jurren
Matt U
10-08-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by jurren:
italy's berlusconi is probably twice as stupid as bushI disagree. Bush = stupid and evil. Berlusconi = sly and evil. I don't know which is worse, but neither are very appealing.
Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by andrea:
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint I take it you're not aware of Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron? </font>[/QUOTE]come on man, you are making davis seem like he was the best thing since slice bread. and i for one think that the people of cali are not all as misinformed as people on here are saying they are. maybe, and just maybe, davis did THAT bad as governor and maybe were just sick of his shit and wanted him out. why is that so hard to understand? at least let andrea be optimistic and see what happens in the next few months.
Sam The Man Burns
10-08-2003, 02:00 PM
Give the man a chance to prove that he can do the job!
Can anyone of you can do the job?
You guys are so negative. This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Also these sexual allegations are going to make it difficult for Arnold to do his job.
But I think he will do ok.....despite the distractions.
sounds like an argument against the recall
Gojay
10-08-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Red D:
It's a friggin joke but it ain't funny, the next thing we know action hero is the 'leader of the free world' as US presidents like to call themselves, we already had an actor and two rednecks the last two decades, I don't know about you but I preferred good old Bill, the occasional lipskilled slut underneath his desk and he was a happy man and a sensible leader.
Another dark day for the world.
RD Ditto!
Originally posted by Sam The Man Burns:
Give the man a chance to prove that he can do the job!
Can anyone of you can do the job?
You guys are so negative. This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Also these sexual allegations are going to make it difficult for Arnold to do his job.
But I think he will do ok.....despite the distractions. His family also has direct ties with Hitler, but according to you I should turn the other cheek and let him "do his job". Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sam The Man Burns:
Give the man a chance to prove that he can do the job!
Can anyone of you can do the job?
You guys are so negative. This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Also these sexual allegations are going to make it difficult for Arnold to do his job.
But I think he will do ok.....despite the distractions. His family also has direct ties with Hitler, but according to you I should turn the other cheek and let him "do his job". Never underestimate anyone with these qualities. </font>[/QUOTE]how's that saying go about the sins of the father should not be cast on the child? some shit like that. and i could have sworn he got an independent counsel to investigate that where they found nothing but people are still gonna believe what they want, i guess.
c'mon now, you making shit up
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by andrea:
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint I take it you're not aware of Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron? </font>[/QUOTE]come on man, you are making davis seem like he was the best thing since slice bread. and i for one think that the people of cali are not all as misinformed as people on here are saying they are. maybe, and just maybe, davis did THAT bad as governor and maybe were just sick of his shit and wanted him out. why is that so hard to understand? at least let andrea be optimistic and see what happens in the next few months. </font>[/QUOTE]People not informed? Can you tell me why the recall really happened? You do remember that it was not the people of California that funded the campaign for the recall, right? Was it a mere coincidence that the campaign for the recall started shortly after Davis's lawsuits against the energy companies were announced? How does Schwarzeneger tie into this picture? I know these answers. Do you?
Leslie
10-08-2003, 02:15 PM
The phrase is: "The sins of the father shall visit upon the son.".
Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there.
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sam The Man Burns:
Give the man a chance to prove that he can do the job!
Can anyone of you can do the job?
You guys are so negative. This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Also these sexual allegations are going to make it difficult for Arnold to do his job.
But I think he will do ok.....despite the distractions. His family also has direct ties with Hitler, but according to you I should turn the other cheek and let him "do his job". Never underestimate anyone with these qualities. </font>[/QUOTE]how's that saying go about the sins of the father should not be cast on the child? some shit like that. and i could have sworn he got an independent counsel to investigate that where they found nothing but people are still gonna believe what they want, i guess. </font>[/QUOTE]Link, please. Schwarzeneger has gone on the record to say that he does in fact admire Hitler.
Originally posted by Leslie:
The phrase is: "The sins of the father shall visit upon the son.". another, "the apple does not fall far from the tree"
Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sam The Man Burns:
Give the man a chance to prove that he can do the job!
Can anyone of you can do the job?
You guys are so negative. This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
Also these sexual allegations are going to make it difficult for Arnold to do his job.
But I think he will do ok.....despite the distractions. His family also has direct ties with Hitler, but according to you I should turn the other cheek and let him "do his job". Never underestimate anyone with these qualities. </font>[/QUOTE]how's that saying go about the sins of the father should not be cast on the child? some shit like that. and i could have sworn he got an independent counsel to investigate that where they found nothing but people are still gonna believe what they want, i guess. </font>[/QUOTE]Link, please. Schwarzeneger has gone on the record to say that he does in fact admire Hitler. </font>[/QUOTE]then right back atcha, link please. oh, and i'll go on newsweek and look up the info even though i really rather not but i subsribe to that publication and it described the relationship and the fact that he actually hired some independent counsel. trust me, i am not the type of person to make shit up just to win some kind of arguement on some messageboard.
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised that you haven't read or heard of any of Ahnold's quotes about Hitler. It's been all over the news.
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]arnie has never held public office, therefore, he never had an independent counsel. not calling you a liar, just asking you to focus on the big picture. the negative implications of this event will be felt not only in cali, but throughout the us and indeed throughout the world
negative bandwagon = recall
Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised that you haven't read or heard of any of Ahnold's quotes about Hitler. It's been all over the news. </font>[/QUOTE]like i said in earlier in this thread, i am not too up on all that is going on. been too busy with school, work, and life to really get into that even though i think it's extremely interesting. but if you say so, please give me a link 'cause i would love to read these with my own eyes instead of taking it as the truth from some person on a messageboard(no offense).
but at the same time, i'm not the type of person that is blinded by ideology like you see on the LEFT AND RIGHT. i was when i was younger as i am ashamed to admit now that i voted for bush but i will not be doing the same thing next election. with that said, i like to read what BOTH sides have to say and then make my PERSONAL assesstment from there.
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]arnie has never held public office, therefore, he never had an independent counsel. not calling you a liar, just asking you to focus on the big picture. the negative implications of this event will be felt not only in cali, but throughout the us and indeed throughout the world </font>[/QUOTE]maybe i used the wrong word by using counsel. i really thought that was it and i definitely see your point but i was mostly touching base on the fact that his father is said to have some connection to the nazi party but i don't think that necessarily means that arnold feels or thinks the same way his father is rumored to have done. i know for a fact that the article said that he hired some professionals to investigate these claims and they came back with nothing. god, i should look for that on the newsweek website so you can read it for yourself and know what i'm talking about. but thanks for the correction as i think you are right that it was probably not a "counsel".
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised that you haven't read or heard of any of Ahnold's quotes about Hitler. It's been all over the news. </font>[/QUOTE]like i said in earlier in this thread, i am not too up on all that is going on. been too busy with school, work, and life to really get into that even though i think it's extremely interesting. but if you say so, please give me a link 'cause i would love to read these with my own eyes instead of taking it as the truth from some person on a messageboard(no offense).
but at the same time, i'm not the type of person that is blinded by ideology like you see on the LEFT AND RIGHT. i was when i was younger as i am ashamed to admit now that i voted for bush but i will not be doing the same thing next election. with that said, i like to read what BOTH sides have to say and then make my PERSONAL assesstment from there. </font>[/QUOTE]You voted for Bush? hahaha. Explains it all. hahaha.
And b/c I take the time to find out the truth about the recall and Schwarzenger I'm on some kind of negative bandwagon? Puh-leeze. You'll have to excuse me for wanting to know the truth. sheesh.
Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised that you haven't read or heard of any of Ahnold's quotes about Hitler. It's been all over the news. </font>[/QUOTE]like i said in earlier in this thread, i am not too up on all that is going on. been too busy with school, work, and life to really get into that even though i think it's extremely interesting. but if you say so, please give me a link 'cause i would love to read these with my own eyes instead of taking it as the truth from some person on a messageboard(no offense).
but at the same time, i'm not the type of person that is blinded by ideology like you see on the LEFT AND RIGHT. i was when i was younger as i am ashamed to admit now that i voted for bush but i will not be doing the same thing next election. with that said, i like to read what BOTH sides have to say and then make my PERSONAL assesstment from there. </font>[/QUOTE]You voted for Bush? hahaha. Explains it all. hahaha. </font>[/QUOTE]dude, have you not read in some of my earlier posts that i am against bush? i was young and just straight out of the corps and i was easily swayed back then. ahhh, **** it. you already came up with your judgement.
Originally posted by IIBS:
And b/c I take the time to find out the truth about the recall and Schwarzenger I'm on some kind of negative bandwagon? Puh-leeze. You'll have to excuse me for wanting to know the truth. sheesh. the truth is in the eye of the beholder. nice one. :rolleyes:
and you obviously missed my point or i just didn't get it across like i wanted to. oh well.
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised that you haven't read or heard of any of Ahnold's quotes about Hitler. It's been all over the news. </font>[/QUOTE]like i said in earlier in this thread, i am not too up on all that is going on. been too busy with school, work, and life to really get into that even though i think it's extremely interesting. but if you say so, please give me a link 'cause i would love to read these with my own eyes instead of taking it as the truth from some person on a messageboard(no offense).
but at the same time, i'm not the type of person that is blinded by ideology like you see on the LEFT AND RIGHT. i was when i was younger as i am ashamed to admit now that i voted for bush but i will not be doing the same thing next election. with that said, i like to read what BOTH sides have to say and then make my PERSONAL assesstment from there. </font>[/QUOTE]You voted for Bush? hahaha. Explains it all. hahaha. </font>[/QUOTE]dude, have you not read in some of my earlier posts that i am against bush? i was young and just straight out of the corps and i was easily swayed back then. ahhh, **** it. you already came up with your judgement. </font>[/QUOTE]My bad. I hit the add reply button to soon. I do that sometimes. I am often doing other thingls while on this board. I was just giving you sh!t. No harm intended.
Originally posted by Sam The Man Burns:
This man came to this country with $20 in his pocket, became Mr. Universe 5 times and Mr.Olympia 6 or 7 times, became one of the highest paid movie stars in the world, married to Maria Shriver (a democrat) He hosts The Special Olympics, He was the head chairman of the President Physical Fitness Organiazation, he owns several business operations. He signs the front of the check not the back of the check! This man is a self-man man who is passionate, focused, intelligent, witty and determined.
Never underestimate anyone with these qualities.
What do these qualities have to do with taking public office?
Seems like he would have been better suited for "President" of the Olympic committee.
Just a thought... :rolleyes:
SPG
Originally posted by MYOR:
Politician/Actor is there really a differnce?? graemlins/cool_shades.gif ahhaahaha...good point.
Politician/Actor is there really a differnce?? graemlins/cool_shades.gif
Originally posted by AK:
Anyone else feel like in certain respects we're at an all-time low in this country? I'm afraid to really confront what it says about Americans that we could "elect" such a clueless president and such an unqualified creep as Governor of California. YES!! It's a d*mn shame! It just kills me that the "Terminator" really feels he's qualified to do this.
Can wait to see how Davis' old democratic staff will receive him. Should be a toxic cocktail.
And for the record, Bush(s)- (Daddy & Jeb) stole the election.
SPG
[ October 08, 2003, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Politician/Actor is there really a differnce?? graemlins/cool_shades.gif ahhaahaha...good point. </font>[/QUOTE]huge difference, the similarity shows up on the campaign trai, once elected, governing requires a lot of skills actors/athletes may never acquire
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Politician/Actor is there really a differnce?? graemlins/cool_shades.gif ahhaahaha...good point. </font>[/QUOTE]huge difference, the similarity shows up on the campaign trai, once elected, governing requires a lot of skills actors/athletes may never acquire </font>[/QUOTE]Anything can be acquired.. Especially from a driven man/woman..
ChiJAM
10-08-2003, 02:48 PM
Ah-nold will be just like Bu$h--the person "seemingly" in power. The true question is: who or what is Ah-nold beholden to? Kenny-boy is already in the picture, but it goes deeper than him. Two puppets with the same puppet-master...
ChiJAM
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Politician/Actor is there really a differnce?? graemlins/cool_shades.gif ahhaahaha...good point. </font>[/QUOTE]huge difference, the similarity shows up on the campaign trai, once elected, governing requires a lot of skills actors/athletes may never acquire </font>[/QUOTE]Anything can be acquired.. Especially from a driven man/woman.. </font>[/QUOTE]no doubt, but a law degree, plus twenty years as a legislator versus no degree, no experience, no record to handle a crisis is a bad recipe. bush, for example, was highly unqualified for the presidency and his performance reflects his incompetence
Here's the link you requested. Like I said, it's been all over the news this past week.
ABC and The New York Times obtained copies of an
unpublished book proposal with quotes from a transcript of the 1975 interview, in which Schwarzenegger allegedly said, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power."
click here for full article (http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2003/10/031003recall.shtml)
Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG
Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less...
jimmymack-2000
10-08-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by IIBS:
Here's the link you requested. Like I said, it's been all over the news this past week.
ABC and The New York Times obtained copies of an
unpublished book proposal with quotes from a transcript of the 1975 interview, in which Schwarzenegger allegedly said, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power."
click here for full article (http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2003/10/031003recall.shtml) More recently, he has had dealings with the far right in Austria, even inviting one politician (now banned in the U.S. due to his neo-Nazi ties) to his wedding with Maria...
[ October 08, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: jimmymack-2000 ]
Originally posted by IIBS:
Here's the link you requested. Like I said, it's been all over the news this past week.
ABC and The New York Times obtained copies of an
unpublished book proposal with quotes from a transcript of the 1975 interview, in which Schwarzenegger allegedly said, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power."
click here for full article (http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2003/10/031003recall.shtml) Schwarzenegger begins damage control over claims of groping, Hitler comments
an Associated Press report 10/03/03
LOS ANGELES - Entering his final campaign push, Arnold Schwarzenegger shifted into damage-control mode, apologizing for "bad behavior" toward women and saying he couldn't imagine ever telling an interviewer that he admired Adolf Hitler.
New reports that the former bodybuilder had groped women and once said he admired the Nazi leader surfaced Thursday as he began a four-day campaign bus tour. Schwarzenegger's popularity had surged in the polls, and his entourage was met by cheering crowds, but the focus had shifted to his past.
Stories by ABC News and The New York Times said the actor told an interviewer during the filming of the bodybuilding documentary "Pumping Iron" in 1975 that he admired Hitler's rise to power from humble beginnings.
Schwarzenegger, with wife Maria Shriver at his side, told a late-night news conference Thursday that he didn't recall making the remarks.
"I don't remember any of those comments because I always despise everything that Hitler stood for," Schwarzenegger said, calling the Nazi leader a "disgusting villain."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat who opposes the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis, said of the reported comment, "I think it's appalling."
"Your personal behavior does affect you in public office," Feinstein said on NBC's "Today" show Friday. "I like to believe and hope that we elect the best among us, not some of the least among us."
Hours before the reported comments about Hitler surfaced Thursday, Schwarzenegger addressed allegations in the Los Angeles Times, which reported the claims of six women who accused him of sexually harassing and groping them between 1975 and 2000.
"Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that were not right, which I thought then was playful but now I recognize that I offended people," Schwarzenegger said. "Those people that I have offended, I want to say to them I am deeply sorry."
Asked about the groping allegations, Shriver referred her to husband's remarks: "As I say to my children, it always takes great courage to stand before anybody and apologize, and I think that's what Arnold did today," Shriver said.
Recent polls have shown a majority of voters ready to oust Davis in the Oct. 7 recall election, with Schwarzenegger as the front-runner to replace him, followed by Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante.
ABC and The New York Times obtained copies of an unpublished book proposal with quotes from a transcript of the 1975 interview, in which Schwarzenegger allegedly said, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power."
He also allegedly said he wished he could experience addressing a crowd at a huge political rally.
"The feeling like Kennedy had, you know, to speak to maybe 50,000 people at one time and having them cheer, or like Hitler in the Nuremberg stadium," he said, according to the transcript. "And have all those people scream at you and just being in total agreement with whatever you say."
The author of the book proposal, "Pumping Iron" director George Butler, told ABC the quotes needed to be seen in context to be understood. Butler told The New York Times he stood by a recollection of Schwarzenegger playing Nazi marches and mimicking S.S. officers, but said Schwarzenegger was an immature young man involved in the bodybuilding culture of the 1970s.
Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Sean Walsh called the story "the worst kind of political smear, the worst."
Schwarzenegger grew up in Austria where his father was a member of the Nazi Party. He has faced charges of Nazi sympathizing before but has worked hard to refute them and has donated to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish human rights organization.
Davis said he found Schwarzenegger's reported comments about Hitler "particularly offensive."
"I don't see how anyone can admire Adolf Hitler. Any decent American has to be offended by that phrase," Davis said in an interview broadcast on ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday.
He declined to discuss the groping allegations, saying, "The voters will determine how significant that story is."
During a debate Thursday evening among the other top replacement candidates -- Schwarzenegger was absent -- state Sen. Tom McClintock said he was skeptical of what he called a "last-minute character assassination." But after the debate, he said Schwarzenegger should drop out if the allegations were true.
The Times said none of the actor's political opponents put reporters in touch with the women and that none had come forward on their own. None had brought legal action against Schwarzenegger, the newspaper said.
Representatives of several women's organizations, including California NOW, planned a press conference outside the first stop on Schwarzenegger's bus tour Friday to call upon the Los Angeles County district attorney's office to launch a criminal investigation into the groping allegations.
Some analysts said the revelations could change voters' minds about Schwarzenegger.
"This is not just philandering or adultery -- this is stuff that people get fired for pretty regularly," said Bruce Cain, a political scientist at University of California, Berkeley. "If Arnold is saying he can grope women because people on movie sets play by a different set of rules, I don't know that people will buy that."
But given the timing and other considerations, Cain said it was unclear whether the controversy would help Davis. "I have no doubt this will cost Arnold votes among women, but I don't know how men will react."
i'll copy and paste the article so people can make up their own minds. but thanks for the link.
[ October 08, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]you sure are reaching
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]that's what i was thinking too but i know it seems extremely insensitive. i hope that doesn't make it sound like i condone what hitler did that because that is definitely not the case.
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]you sure are reaching </font>[/QUOTE]really? how so?
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]that's what i was thinking too but i know it seems extremely insensitive. i hope that doesn't make it sound like i condone what hitler did that because that is definitely not the case. </font>[/QUOTE]you know what, if i have to give you and myor reasons about hitler, then i'm done
jimmymack-2000
10-08-2003, 03:16 PM
I also read an interesting thing about how the L.A. Times ****ed up a quote from Arnold, despite audio/visual transcripts of the interview being all over the place. Basically, a reporter asked him if he denied the allegations of sexual misconduct made against him: the audio transcript shows him as saying "No, not all," whereas the Times quoted him as saying "Not at all." Subtle difference, but still...
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]you sure are reaching </font>[/QUOTE]really? how so? </font>[/QUOTE]How am I reaching? The man get so many people to do such atrocity.. ONE MAN .... That is a master mind...
[ October 08, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]you sure are reaching </font>[/QUOTE]really? how so? </font>[/QUOTE]How am I reaching? The man get so many people to do such atrocity.. ONE MAN .... That is a master mind... </font>[/QUOTE]i'll let you guys continue with your admiration of hitler, i'm done
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]that's what i was thinking too but i know it seems extremely insensitive. i hope that doesn't make it sound like i condone what hitler did that because that is definitely not the case. </font>[/QUOTE]you know what, if i have to give you and myor reasons about hitler, then i'm done </font>[/QUOTE]thanks for taking our comments totally out of context.
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]you sure are reaching </font>[/QUOTE]really? how so? </font>[/QUOTE]How am I reaching? The man get so many people to do such atrocity.. ONE MAN .... That is a master mind... </font>[/QUOTE]i'll let you guys continue with your admiration of hitler, i'm done </font>[/QUOTE]come on, man. now YOU are reaching.
andrea
10-08-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by andrea:
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint I take it you're not aware of Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron? </font>[/QUOTE]come on man, you are making davis seem like he was the best thing since slice bread. and i for one think that the people of cali are not all as misinformed as people on here are saying they are. maybe, and just maybe, davis did THAT bad as governor and maybe were just sick of his shit and wanted him out. why is that so hard to understand? at least let andrea be optimistic and see what happens in the next few months. </font>[/QUOTE]Thank you J, you are a doll. I really don't see why people are upset. Is it because he has no experience? Experience comes from hands-on training. You can read all you want out of books, but you need the practical training to implement it. Believe me, I am in touch with MBA's and Ph.D's all day and the common sense gene is missing. Intelligence on paper is fine, but when you want to use it, make sure you can translate it to action.
Thank you JoeB graemlins/bighug.gif
Originally posted by JoeB:
really? how so? [/qb][/QUOTE]How am I reaching? The man get so many people to do such atrocity.. ONE MAN .... That is a master mind... [/qb][/QUOTE]i'll let you guys continue with your admiration of hitler, i'm done [/qb][/QUOTE]come on, man. now YOU are reaching. [/qb][/QUOTE]
If he wants to twist thing.. go ahead.. I know exactly what I mean...
[ October 08, 2003, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]
Originally posted by andrea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by andrea:
i hope to remain optimistic. give someone a chance and see how they do. i can't believe gary coleman was in 8th place, after Larry Flint I take it you're not aware of Schwarzeneger's ties with Enron? </font>[/QUOTE]come on man, you are making davis seem like he was the best thing since slice bread. and i for one think that the people of cali are not all as misinformed as people on here are saying they are. maybe, and just maybe, davis did THAT bad as governor and maybe were just sick of his shit and wanted him out. why is that so hard to understand? at least let andrea be optimistic and see what happens in the next few months. </font>[/QUOTE]Thank you J, you are a doll. I really don't see why people are upset. Is it because he has no experience? Experience comes from hands-on training. You can read all you want out of books, but you need the practical training to implement it. Believe me, I am in touch with MBA's and Ph.D's all day and the common sense gene is missing. Intelligence on paper is fine, but when you want to use it, make sure you can translate it to action.
Thank you JoeB graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]You've been avoiding my questions, and none of them have to do with his competence (or lack of). I'm speaking on his family's ties with Hitler and his ties with Enron.
andrea
10-08-2003, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
The phrase is: "The sins of the father shall visit upon the son.". another, "the apple does not fall far from the tree" </font>[/QUOTE]OMG! Open your mind and don't wander back for excuses. look to the future and clear your soul, set yourself free from these beliefs and stereotypes.
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
The phrase is: "The sins of the father shall visit upon the son.". another, "the apple does not fall far from the tree" </font>[/QUOTE]Like Father, like Son......show him the door in '04.
d
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by ChiJAM:
Ah-nold will be just like Bu$h--the person "seemingly" in power. The true question is: who or what is Ah-nold beholden to? Kenny-boy is already in the picture, but it goes deeper than him. Two puppets with the same puppet-master...
ChiJAM It seems to me that their "character" roles, one being Bu$h and the other A.S. --- are only happening when they are on TV and in front of a camera. Neither one of them radiates anything from within so to speak. They also have pronunciation problems with words ???? Is this a new trend for future Republicans? I was already 18 years old when Kennedy became president. Now that man had class. It was entertaining just watching his Press conferences. Wit, humor, and intelligence for starters.
The overall Karma of this whole thing in Calif is
not very good.
d
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power." graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
SPG </font>[/QUOTE]Whats so hard to believe about that.. Hitler was a mastermind.. EXTREMELY EVIL yes, .. but a mastermind no less... </font>[/QUOTE]What's hard to believe is why Arnold would admire someone who brainwashed a nation (hell, the world) & kill millions of people in order to rise to power. Mastermind, HA!
I can think of a lot of other people to admire who are/were masterminds for a good cause.
SPG
[ October 08, 2003, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]
andrea
10-08-2003, 04:49 PM
I would like to vision this scenario. Arnold was a little boy when his dad was involved in the Nazi Party and he saw this alot differently than the reality his father did. He probably remembers that Kurt or even Adolph stopping by his house and patting him on the head and giving him candy as a child. He probably grew to love them in the state of innocence.
It's ok to think what you want, but judging only by character description in the tabloids or media is remarkable in this day and age.
i think he seems one of the most sincere politicians ive seen in a long time
but dude's gonna have it rough .. esp on the late night shows .. with that accent
he so only won b/c his better half graemlins/tongueout.gif
i dont think it's so bad .. he also has introduced some innovative ideas (yes, im sure w/help but still) to a troubled state
and i agree, the whole 'american dream' success story comes to mind
[ October 08, 2003, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: kara ]
Just another thing to throw into the mix. I have a friend who is an actor, who filmed a movie with Arnold a couple of years ago. My friend is a seasoned film actor, and he told me back then that he had never been around anyone who treated people--particularly people of color--so rudely on a movie set. This was in response to a general question along the lines of who's the biggest a#$hole you've ever worked with?
Originally posted by andrea:
I would like to vision this scenario. Arnold was a little boy when his dad was involved in the Nazi Party and he saw this alot differently than the reality his father did. He probably remembers that Kurt or even Adolph stopping by his house and patting him on the head and giving him candy as a child. He probably grew to love them in the state of innocence.
That's a lovely thought but the reality is he made the comment as a grown adult, knowing all the atrocities that Hitler was responsible for.
SPG
Originally posted by andrea:
I would like to vision this scenario. Arnold was a little boy when his dad was involved in the Nazi Party and he saw this alot differently than the reality his father did. He probably remembers that Kurt or even Adolph stopping by his house and patting him on the head and giving him candy as a child. He probably grew to love them in the state of innocence.
It's ok to think what you want, but judging only by character description in the tabloids or media is remarkable in this day and age. give it a rest, they were nazis, your attempts to humanize the worst killers of the 20th century is pathetic
oops double post
[ October 08, 2003, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]
casey
10-08-2003, 05:53 PM
let me be the first to say this.....
DON"T BLAME ME....
I VOTED FOR GARY COLEMAN!
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]arnie has never held public office, therefore, he never had an independent counsel. not calling you a liar, just asking you to focus on the big picture. the negative implications of this event will be felt not only in cali, but throughout the us and indeed throughout the world </font>[/QUOTE]maybe i used the wrong word by using counsel. i really thought that was it and i definitely see your point but i was mostly touching base on the fact that his father is said to have some connection to the nazi party but i don't think that necessarily means that arnold feels or thinks the same way his father is rumored to have done. i know for a fact that the article said that he hired some professionals to investigate these claims and they came back with nothing. god, i should look for that on the newsweek website so you can read it for yourself and know what i'm talking about. but thanks for the correction as i think you are right that it was probably not a "counsel". </font>[/QUOTE]you were right, mhd. i used the wrong wording for my previous post but this is where i got the information that made me go in that direction.
here is an excerpt: "But in 1990, around the time he took on his first high-profile political post as President George H.W. Bush’s fitness czar, Arnold commissioned no less an authority than the Simon Wiesenthal Center to investigate his father’s wartime activities. He has donated close to $1 million to the center over the years and appeared at many of its fund-raisers. That was a stroke of political genius that paid off handsomely last week when the center’s founder and dean, Rabbi Marvin Hier, went on television to announce that Gustav had been thoroughly investigated and cleared of war crimes."
Building Arnold (http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/950552.asp)
[ October 08, 2003, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]
Pete Nice
10-08-2003, 06:00 PM
i find it a little odd how people are picking out that his dad was a nazi. okay, good point. but i know there are a lot of people out there with damn racist parents. not the best way to judge him. try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise.
andrea
10-08-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon now, you making shit up hell no, i'm not. i read it in newsweek. why the **** would i lie about that? just because i'm not on the negative bandwagon? trust me, brother, if he was up to some foul shit, i would appreciate the info(like i did in another thread where IIBS posted some stuff) but i know for a FACT that i read that there. </font>[/QUOTE]arnie has never held public office, therefore, he never had an independent counsel. not calling you a liar, just asking you to focus on the big picture. the negative implications of this event will be felt not only in cali, but throughout the us and indeed throughout the world </font>[/QUOTE]maybe i used the wrong word by using counsel. i really thought that was it and i definitely see your point but i was mostly touching base on the fact that his father is said to have some connection to the nazi party but i don't think that necessarily means that arnold feels or thinks the same way his father is rumored to have done. i know for a fact that the article said that he hired some professionals to investigate these claims and they came back with nothing. god, i should look for that on the newsweek website so you can read it for yourself and know what i'm talking about. but thanks for the correction as i think you are right that it was probably not a "counsel". </font>[/QUOTE]you were right, mhd. i used the wrong wording for my previous post but this is where i got the information that made me go in that direction.
here is an excerpt: "But in 1990, around the time he took on his first high-profile political post as President George H.W. Bush’s fitness czar, Arnold commissioned no less an authority than the Simon Wiesenthal Center to investigate his father’s wartime activities. He has donated close to $1 million to the center over the years and appeared at many of its fund-raisers. That was a stroke of political genius that paid off handsomely last week when the center’s founder and dean, Rabbi Marvin Hier, went on television to announce that Gustav had been thoroughly investigated and cleared of war crimes."
Building Arnold (http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/950552.asp) </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/remybussi.gif
Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington.
Pete Nice
10-08-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington. </font>[/QUOTE]this election was won on nothing but the fact that he was the coolest kid in school. this is so sad. and of course he's making the promise that everyone wants to hear: i will repeal(sp) the tripling of the registration fee!
Originally posted by square root:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington. </font>[/QUOTE]this election was won on nothing but the fact that he was the coolest kid in school. this is so sad. and of course he's making the promise that everyone wants to hear</font>[/QUOTE]uhhh, isn't that the way MOST elections in this country are won? by being well liked and by making some sort of promises that people hope you can achieve?
Pete Nice
10-08-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington. </font>[/QUOTE]this election was won on nothing but the fact that he was the coolest kid in school. this is so sad. and of course he's making the promise that everyone wants to hear</font>[/QUOTE]uhhh, isn't that the way MOST elections in this country are won? by being well liked and by making some sort of promises that people hope you can achieve? </font>[/QUOTE]okay, obvious... but at least other people actually had to debate and you choose the lesser evil. this was just a str8 up hustle in the worst way. yet people think they made a good choice.
andrea
10-08-2003, 06:44 PM
elections are a popularity contest.
alot of people think they made the right choice.
Originally posted by square root:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington. </font>[/QUOTE]this election was won on nothing but the fact that he was the coolest kid in school. this is so sad. and of course he's making the promise that everyone wants to hear</font>[/QUOTE]uhhh, isn't that the way MOST elections in this country are won? by being well liked and by making some sort of promises that people hope you can achieve? </font>[/QUOTE]okay, obvious... but at least other people actually had to debate and you choose the lesser evil. this was just a str8 up hustle in the worst way. yet people think they made a good choice. </font>[/QUOTE]i didn't choose anything, homeboy. i don't even live in cali. i am just playing devil's advocate here since i didn't agree with a few of the posts. that's all.
Pete Nice
10-08-2003, 07:10 PM
[/qb][/QUOTE]i didn't choose anything, homeboy. i don't even live in cali. i am just playing devil's advocate here since i didn't agree with a few of the posts. that's all. [/QB][/QUOTE]
you are no advocate of any kind :D i thought i was being unclear, so i tried to clear it up, but re-reading... i have no idea what i'm saying. damn i could've been a politican!
new dhp slogan: got beef?
corwin
10-08-2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by square root:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by square root:
try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. along with just about every politician in washington. </font>[/QUOTE]this election was won on nothing but the fact that he was the coolest kid in school. this is so sad. and of course he's making the promise that everyone wants to hear: i will repeal(sp) the tripling of the registration fee! </font>[/QUOTE]It is sad. The mere thought that a hard-on for the Terminator---and NOTHING else---would send folks out in throngs to the polls is ****ing pathetic.
I think I should go out and rent Alexander Payne's "Election" again for a laugh...and then a cry. Talk about art imitating life.
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by square root:
i find it a little odd how people are picking out that his dad was a nazi. okay, good point. but i know there are a lot of people out there with damn racist parents. not the best way to judge him. try judging him on the fact that he drives a hummer in a time when our air pollution is on the rise. As a matter of fact he has four of them. He said it himself. He was being questioned re the amt of gas they use and etc.
d
Ps
The motto "Go West young man" was intended that things would be better by going to California. Many people have found that not to be true over the years. It is the end of the road for some.
The suicide rate is known to be very high in Calif.
You picked one bad actor and didn't learn your lesson and now you have pick another one. It seems you only have to be in the movies to hold office. I believe this would hold true for even a chimpanzee. You all could have done better than this. Had there been a primary he would have never made it to the finish line.
No thank you ....I will not leave my heart in San Francisco.
:(
d
[ October 08, 2003, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]
mdpm99
10-08-2003, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by andrea:
I would like to vision this scenario. Arnold was a little boy when his dad was involved in the Nazi Party and he saw this alot differently than the reality his father did. He probably remembers that Kurt or even Adolph stopping by his house and patting him on the head and giving him candy as a child. He probably grew to love them in the state of innocence.
It's ok to think what you want, but judging only by character description in the tabloids or media is remarkable in this day and age. One of the few voices to be raised was that of Walter
> Cronkite, who in an address that received no attention from major news
> sources said:
>
> "They (the Germans) applauded as Hitler closed down the independent
> newspaper and (broadcasting) stations and only gave them his propaganda.
> When they did not rise up and say, 'Give us a free press,' they became
just
> as guilty." (Ferrell, Common Dreams, October 28, 2002).
Originally posted by SPG:
oops double post Double hey baby. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/xyxwave.gif
music
10-09-2003, 01:19 AM
hey A.k., rights and privileges come in many forms. for one , the people ain't bright out there. two ,Major Bradley couldn't win if he was alive 2day.
sick and un-informed.
[ October 09, 2003, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: music ]
Moksha
10-09-2003, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by C hristian:
don't vote = don't complain =bullshit
Originally posted by AK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
oops double post Double hey baby. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/xyxwave.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Heeyyyy!! Back at you! ;)
Hope all is well!!
SPG
Mark Andrus
10-10-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
No thank you ....I will not leave my heart in San Francisco.
:(
d It's worth mentioning that San Francisco had the highest percentage (of all the counties in the state) against the recall...80 percent.
All of the Bay Area, and most of the coastal areas of the state voted against.
Originally posted by Mark Andrus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
No thank you ....I will not leave my heart in San Francisco.
:(
d It's worth mentioning that San Francisco had the highest percentage (of all the counties in the state) against the recall...80 percent.
All of the Bay Area, and most of the coastal areas of the state voted against. </font>[/QUOTE]you can always count on san francisco, i wonder though, if Feinstein would have defeated Arnie, clearly she is more qualified, but if she ran, then that precious senate seat is vacant, plus she would have to run against Davis' policies, a prinicipal part of her platform would be repeal of that ridiculous car tax. interesting, though, that the bay area was willing to bite the bullet, because they saw the bigger picture, and that is that cali is the prize of the big four: florida, texas, ny, all repubs now add cali.
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