Do the Iraqi People want to be Liberated?

[Ronnie Ron]

The United States has underestimated the Iraqi People, thinking they wanted to be liberated from this man, They have come against heavy fire that they did not anticipate in Southern Iraq, Light armored units are being attacked (Ambushed) while the heavy unites are still south, Who is the strategist in this war? something doesnt seem right the plan does not seem very well thought out to me.

Not one person (Iraqi) has headed for Refugee status could this mean that Men Women and Children will turn on the Americans once they get into Baghdad?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I'm very disturbed by the outcome of some of these "minor" fire fights. I think as a result of not using the Air War as our first offensive, and putting ground troops into these cities where Iraqi troops have put up a good fight in some instances, I think the battle for Bagdad is going to be a long one.

All of this so called "Precision bombing" isn't going to do a thing to get rid of the troops within the city of Bagdad. I just found out last night that we still haven't captured one of the airfields in the western part of Iraq (H2 or H3). Another thing I noticed is that there are no troops or support in these region of the country to be used in a flanking position to try and squeeze the opposition out of the city.

Whether or not the Iraqi people want to be liberated, there are troops that are going to fight to the death if they have to.

I remember what happened in Somalia and I pray that this does not happen again.

Peace

[Ronnie Ron]

Yes this Strategy seems to be way off in my opinion. The American War machine is taking to many things for granted and not assuming the many ways that things can go wrong. This is the age of Gorilla warfare and the Iraqis are gonna fight that way. American is still thinking in Conventional ways. THATS NOT GONNA GET IT DONE!!!

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Not one person (Iraqi) has headed for Refugee status could this mean that Men Women and Children will turn on the Americans once they get into Baghdad? Either that or they are not being allowed to leave. Human shields.

-G

[O'love]

Iraq has learned from the last gulf-war..this means that Saddam will probably hide himself deep inside his bunker in Bagdad central...... and that he will keep his troops as much inside the cities as possible, to try to start a city-guerilla war....the last time showed that this is the smartest strategie as it either forces the US military to bomb a city with all the civilian casualties coming from it, or go into the city with groundtroops and fight man against man....with all the television-coverage they are probably forced to do the last thing..... and they were probably hoping that all the military and civilians would surrender themselves and be happy to be liberated, so there was no need for real close combat fighting.... it doesn't seem to work out that way right now.... if they have such a tough job with some of the minor cities already, i am afraid bagdad will be a much bigger problem....and if Saddam is smart he uses his surrounding troops to force the civilians to stay inside bagdad to protect him from air-strikes and massive bombing...and the civilians also learned from the first gulfwar: don't trust the American plans to much....they want us to revolt against Sadam, but last time we did they just abandoned us and left us alone...

some interviews i read with iraqi civilians in "liberated"(?) cities was insightfull..they were happy that someone was trying to remove Saddam, but on the other hand they were just as unhappy/scared that another army was invading the country with all the chaos and instability coming from it...most people are just focussing on their own lives, micro-economy..where to sell their tomatoes to to have enough money to survive for another week or 2.... when they smile and wave at the US military at the same time they wave with white flags.....it says "you are my friend, i am happy, i am also scared, you have a gun, you are an army man, please don't shoot me" ... ie self-protection against the new power in your city..

Olaf

[lyot]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
The United States has underestimated the Iraqi People, thinking they wanted to be liberated from this man, They have come against heavy fire that they did not anticipate in Southern Iraq, Light armored units are being attacked (Ambushed) while the heavy unites are still south, Who is the strategist in this war? something doesnt seem right the plan does not seem very well thought out to me.

Not one person (Iraqi) has headed for Refugee status could this mean that Men Women and Children will turn on the Americans once they get into Baghdad? I think a lot of Iraqi's sure as hell are not happy with Husseins dictatorship. This being sad, a huge majority of the Iraqi people seems to be against this war ( I come to this conclusion after heaving hear/read/seen many Iraqi's comments on the war).Is that surprising ? I don't think so. even all these bombs are precision guided, and even if the US army seems to be very carefull not to inflict civilian casualties, the city of Bagdad (and other Iraqi cities equally) are terrorised by these attacks..Damn, I already got scared seeing these images on TV..Can you image how terryfing it must be to hear all these impacts? I talked with a victim of the Iraqi-Iranian war some time ago, and she says that even 15years after the war, she still can get very very frightened when she thinks of the bombings. Even if liberation is the prize, trauma is not the price these people want to pay. And we haven't even seen the end of this crisis yet. It will get much worse. The majority of the US/Western public probably thought this was goin' to be a very short and rapid war. Ronnie Ron, to be honest, i think you are also a victim of the way this got portrayed in some media..I think it was clear from the start that the Iraqi army has learnt from its own mistakes and was not goin' to engage the US army any more on the same terms as in 1991. Even before one shot had been fired, the Iraq strategy was to avoid being drawn in all open warfare..They know they don't stand a chance in open warfare...I'm convinced the US army took this into account..As a matter of fact, I have heard several US army men declare (before war) that this wasn't not goin' to be an easy task and that it would take a while and involve a whole lot of people and effort.
The US army is stretched over a distance of over 400km if i'm correct. What can you do against guerilla tactics like the ones you see appear now ? I would be surprised if the US army hadn't foreseen this, but it's just something that should be accepted i guess.. this is a REAL WAR, unlike the Yugoslavia war where bombings could do the trick. This means both sides are gonna face heavy casualties, imo.

peace


peace

[danny webb]

The answer to the question is YES, Bush n' Blair said so!

[konbit]

The only people they hate more than Saddam are Americans. Nobody likes foreigners coming to take over your country. Many of the people have national pride...and don't want to see the oil-greedy, anti-Islam Yanks take over their shit. Americans are not trusted, and are seen as part of the Zionist movement.

[AD]

There are plenty of Iraqi people that want to be liberated, but the media isn't covering that side of the story as much. It's unfortunate that the media would rather focus on the numbnuts that praise Sadaam as a hero instead of the people that want to oust his ass from the country. It just goes to show you that stories of violence pay the bills and stories of liberation are for the birds.

[ March 24, 2003, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Albert D. ]

[lyot]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
There are plenty of Iraqi people that want to be liberated, but the media isn't covering that side of the story as much. It's unfortunate that the media would rather focus on the numbnuts that praise Sadaam as a hero. It just goes to show you that stories of violence pay the bills and stories of liberation are for the birds. i think the majority wants to be liberated from Saddam..But no doubt they are applying another defenition than the one used by the US government.

[O'love]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
There are plenty of Iraqi people that want to be liberated, but the media isn't covering that side of the story as much. It's unfortunate that the media would rather focus on the numbnuts that praise Sadaam as a hero instead of the people that want to oust his ass from the country. It just goes to show you that stories of violence pay the bills and stories of liberation are for the birds. mmm..i did see that footage of the iraqi guy removing the saddam poster, and the guy that hugs a US or British marine, over and over on CNN...

[O'love]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
There are plenty of Iraqi people that want to be liberated, but the media isn't covering that side of the story as much. It's unfortunate that the media would rather focus on the numbnuts that praise Sadaam as a hero. It just goes to show you that stories of violence pay the bills and stories of liberation are for the birds. i think the majority wants to be liberated from Saddam..But no doubt they are applying another defenition than the one used by the US government. </font>[/QUOTE]big chance they want to introduce a fundamentalist muslim country, just like their neighbours in saudi arabia, after their infidel leader Sadam is removed... and this is no joke..

Olaf

[Mocambo]

Northern Iraq is predominantly Kurds. Southern Iraq is Shiite. I'm pretty sure both groups suffers the most under Saddam.

[martino]

if you were 5-10 years old during the first gulf war. that would mean most of your life you've been under sanctions. you've seen your cities bombed to shit, and everyone you know was, and stiill is affected in some way badly by the war. not to mention the fact that iraqi government would be blaming the US constantly over most of your life for the state of the country due to sanctions. So now your 17-22 years old. you gonna be cheering the invading army as they shoot their way through your cities? maybe i'd be waving to their faces as they drive thru, but i sure as hell wouldnt be trusting any invaders. especially after they didnt help the uprisings 11 years ago.
amid distrust, resentment and anger, the occupying forces will have quite the job ahead of them.

[Kenrick _]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Who is the strategist in this war? something doesnt seem right the plan does not seem very well thought out to me.

on this point i will say that i think things were planned out well. i suspect that the white house jumped the gun when they saw oil fields burning. hence abondoning the air strategy in the south and sending in the troops.

just my 2 cents.

[Ronnie Ron]

Them Katz are fighting and they aint giving up. The US needs to bomb those areas that are putting up the big fight instead of bombing some buildings in Bagdhad that are with no doubt Empty. put some of that fire power to use to help the troops that are ingaged with the Enemy right now!! Bad Strategy i think. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[gabriel]

not sure if this has been posted on DHP yet

but this might answer some questions of what the iraqi people think

http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
There are plenty of Iraqi people that want to be liberated, but the media isn't covering that side of the story as much. It's unfortunate that the media would rather focus on the numbnuts that praise Sadaam as a hero instead of the people that want to oust his ass from the country. It just goes to show you that stories of violence pay the bills and stories of liberation are for the birds. Greetings Albert D.

Personally, I find the situation with the press very disturbing.


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