Do you think America is ready for a professional gay male athlete? [Archive]

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

05-22-2003, 10:23 AM

Why? Does it matter? The public knows without that person making an announcement about it. You know it but don't make a big deal about it. It's something about actually saying it that is more damaging that showing it. There are several football players that are gay and some know about it but why say something? People like to live in boxes with blinders on their heads. When you take them out of the box and remove the blinders to shed some light, they are shocked and surprised. So I'll say leave it alone.

Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge

05-22-2003, 10:28 AM

I'd say stay in the closet until the you sign the quarter billion dollar 5 year contract.

THEN come out with rainbow guns blazing.

05-22-2003, 10:31 AM

He/She should be very careful with their actions/words. You'll either get bad press, less playing time, harrassed by the fans, etc. I say stay in the closet until you sign or until your career is over.

darrow

05-22-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
There have been a few in the closet Dave Kopay NFL, Glen Burke MLB. I personally don’t think it would be wise to come out at this time. DHP what do you think? do you mean that it is not wise because it would hurt the person's career? Or do you also think it would have an adverse affect on the athlete's team or maybe even have an affect on the sports industry?

Sharp Eye Washington

05-22-2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by darrow:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
There have been a few in the closet Dave Kopay NFL, Glen Burke MLB. I personally don’t think it would be wise to come out at this time. DHP what do you think? do you mean that it is not wise because it would hurt the person's career? Or do you also think it would have an adverse affect on the athlete's team or maybe even have an affect on the sports industry? [/QUOTE]All of the above.

05-22-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
There have been a few in the closet Dave Kopay NFL, Glen Burke MLB. I personally dont think it would be wise to come out at this time. DHP what do you think? Could you possibly name more athlete that have come out the closet?

I once heard a story about these 2 professional football players who where driving, and the passenger was doing the deed to the driver. They got into an accident, I think they were seriously hurt.

rob gregory

05-22-2003, 10:41 AM

Peace.

It may depend if it is a "high profile" sport.

Would it matter if a race horse jockey was openly gay?

Jolyon

05-22-2003, 10:44 AM

I'm not that up on American sports - but what about Rodman?

%seRge%

05-22-2003, 10:47 AM

I once heard a story about these 2 professional football players who where driving, and the passenger was doing the deed to the driver. They got into an accident, I think they were seriously hurt. [/QB][/QUOTE]

no, that was Teddy Pendegrass
:rolleyes:
"Bad Luck......"

05-22-2003, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by PhoreAyem:
Peace.

It may depend if it is a "high profile" sport.

Would it matter if a race horse jockey was openly gay? Good point, it would matter what sport.

Koffy Brown

05-22-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
There have been a few in the closet Dave Kopay NFL, Glen Burke MLB. I personally don’t think it would be wise to come out at this time. DHP what do you think? how is Glen Burke and Dave Kopay careers going? Have they been black listed? Do they still play? I would think that for men it would be extremely difficult to be taken serious by teammates and fans...

Mike Johnson

05-22-2003, 10:52 AM

It may depend on the sport - might not go so well with team sports like football or hockey which are seen as being ultra-rugged-male sports. Baseball, tennis, golf? I don't know. But think about this. Martina Navratilova was an openly gay female tennis player in the early 80's who dominated her sport and has now gone down as the greatest female tennis player of all time. People got over the initial shock and then accepted her - she made lots of money, earned lots of respect among her peers. Amelie Mauresmo, presently a top 10 female tennis player out of France, is also openly gay. I guess the others don't see it as much of a problem (only Alexandre Stevenson's mom made a big fuss about femalee tennis being loaded with lesbians when Alexandre joined the professional tour).

My point is, I really don't know. But the examples shown in both Navratilova and Mauresmo show that it isn't quite the ugly picture people might envision it to be.

Jamie 3:26

05-22-2003, 10:53 AM

You wrong Serge...but right..... graemlins/rofl.gif

Virgo Blue

05-22-2003, 10:59 AM

Michael J. Carmona wrote:

Could you possibly name more athlete that have come out the closet?Greg Louganis (champion Olympic diver)
Speedo (http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/1635/glspeedo.html) stuck by him after he came out of the closet.

05-22-2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Virgo Blue:
Michael J. Carmona wrote:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Could you possibly name more athlete that have come out the closet?Greg Louganis (champion Olympic diver)
Speedo (http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/1635/glspeedo.html) stuck by him after he came out of the closet. [/QUOTE]I was shocked when he came out. What about that Mike Piazza's rumor? graemlins/bolt.gif

darrow

05-22-2003, 11:04 AM

Here's an old article that has a timeline (just up to 1998) on gay athletes and events surrounding those athletes...

http://espn.go.com/otl/world/timeline.html

richierich

05-22-2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm not that up on American sports - but what about Rodman? Who said he was gay??

Sharp Eye Washington

05-22-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
There have been a few in the closet Dave Kopay NFL, Glen Burke MLB. I personally don’t think it would be wise to come out at this time. DHP what do you think? how is Glen Burke and Dave Kopay careers going? Have they been black listed? Do they still play? I would think that for men it would be extremely difficult to be taken serious by teammates and fans... [/QUOTE]Kopay came out after he retired from the NFL. Glen Burke (who some say created the high five) came out while a player. His career ended shortly after.

05-22-2003, 11:14 AM

If the guy/girl can play then let him/her play. Unfortunately, I can't speak for the homophobes out there. I'm sure there are tons of gay athletes out there, but they probably won't come out cause I doubt America is about to welcome them with open arms. Just my http://deephousepage.com/smilies/twocents.gif

[ May 22, 2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Albert D. ]

Drrtynewyork

05-22-2003, 11:17 AM

football is not ready for it

TurntableSoul

05-22-2003, 11:22 AM

It's interesting (and not surprising) that as far I know, no African American male athlete has officially come out, especially in the NBA and NFL. I would argue that the stakes are A LOT higher for black gay men who are professional athletes. Scrutiny from fellow team mates and especially from the African American community in general would be unparalelled.

05-22-2003, 11:25 AM

Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

darrow

05-22-2003, 11:28 AM

To say "it depends" seems to easy and a way for me to avoid thinking about the question and trying to give a thoughtful answer, so...

If the athlete is in a sport that clearly does not welcome gays AND that athlete is concerned about Career, then coming out is probably not a smart move.

If the athlete is not concerned about Career and is trying to resolve the difficult issue of leading a dual life or maybe is trying to affect (in even the smallest degree possible) a change in perception about gays in sports, then maybe the coming-out choice is not unwise. Maybe this athlete recognizes that the time when the sports industry is "ready" will never come unless he/she takes a lead in making it happen. Football for instance is not going to have some sudden epiphany and decide that gays are ok. Change takes time and it aint going to happen without someone making it happen.

Sharp Eye Washington

05-22-2003, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by darrow:
Here's an old article that has a timeline (just up to 1998) on gay athletes and events surrounding those athletes...

http://espn.go.com/otl/world/timeline.html Thanks Darrow. smile.gif

Koffy Brown

05-22-2003, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious?

Cheddar

05-22-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
I can name over 50 player past and present who are professional and Gay..going http://www.wic.org/pic/bking.gif back as far as Billie Jean King to present NBA/NFL Players today well then????

Austin/Dallas

05-22-2003, 11:35 AM

I can name over 50 player past and present who are professional and Gay..going http://www.wic.org/pic/bking.gif back as far as Billie Jean King to present NBA/NFL Players today

05-22-2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Not too many people, but I did. I used to like the guy cause I like b-ball players that do the dirty work. Any player that can get 20+ rebounds in a game is kool and the gang in my book. BTW, the guy was a Laker (which is the greatest team on the face of the earth) so I've gotta respect the man for that. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

Ronnie Ron

05-22-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by serge:

THEN come out with rainbow guns blazing.graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif

richierich

05-22-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted.

Bold Soul

05-22-2003, 12:00 PM

My old landlord in LA, an openly gay man, when meeting for coffee to sign the lease (no one just does business out here - gotta lunch, gotta have coffee - :rolleyes: ) proceeded to "OUT" each and every major Hollywood star who was in the closet. I heard some doosies, too man. Some zingers. It was all volunteered to me - like it was his duty to spread the information.

Last time I was in NYC, a friend of mine at Julliard, all hetero, broke down every black action star who was gay. Some doosies there too. Didn't know why it was necessary to speak about, but hey.

For a world that doesn't want homosexuality to be mainstream, we always make people's sexuality our business.

Love who you want. Just learn your lines and hit your ****in' freethrows.

Koffy Brown

05-22-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted. [/QUOTE]I'm not talking about his skills, we all know he had/have game, but let's be real his media ploys pretty much helped put him to rest...now when he's mentioned it has nothing to do with his bball game....

richierich

05-22-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted. [/QUOTE]I'm not talking about his skills, we all know he had/have game, but let's be real his media ploys pretty much helped put him to rest...now when he's mentioned it has nothing to do with his bball game.... [/QUOTE]His skills are all that mattered.. and this should be the case if a gay man entered pro sports.. but I'm sure people would make a big deal out of it anyway.

Bold Soul

05-22-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted. [/QUOTE]I'm not talking about his skills, we all know he had/have game, but let's be real his media ploys pretty much helped put him to rest...now when he's mentioned it has nothing to do with his bball game.... [/QUOTE]Yea - but his years in Chicago were the absolute best time to watch basketball! Really - remember when the J and Pip tackled him to keep him from getting a technical! graemlins/rofl.gif Jordan - always so perfect in presentation in front of the cameras - would lose his shit, man!!!! Scoring titles, championships, record breaking seasons and HIGH COMEDY! DRAMA! SUSPENSE! ROMANCE!!!!!!

graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Man - Rodman is a hall of famer. Best thing Krause ever did bringing that guy to Chicago.

Koffy Brown

05-22-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted. [/QUOTE]I'm not talking about his skills, we all know he had/have game, but let's be real his media ploys pretty much helped put him to rest...now when he's mentioned it has nothing to do with his bball game.... [/QUOTE]His skills are all that mattered.. and this should be the case if a gay man entered pro sports.. but I'm sure people would make a big deal out of it anyway. [/QUOTE]You are right...but America wasn't even ready to accept gays in the military....

but I can see some testosterone driven quarterback getting highly pissed because the center is openly gay...the drama....yes I know a little bit about sports graemlins/rofl.gif

JoeB

05-22-2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Didn't Rodman admit he was Bi? What about Vin Baker? I'm pretty sure he's in the closet. graemlins/cool_shades.gif and who takes Rodman serious? [/QUOTE]Baby girl Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders and straight up defenders of all time. Could pass, had a damn good knowledge of the game.. that's why he could get away with all that off the court shit.. because tha man could straight up hoop. Shit he shut Shaq, Alonzo, David Robinson down.. don't get it twisted. [/QUOTE]I'm not talking about his skills, we all know he had/have game, but let's be real his media ploys pretty much helped put him to rest...now when he's mentioned it has nothing to do with his bball game.... [/QUOTE]Yea - but his years in Chicago were the absolute best time to watch basketball! Really - remember when the J and Pip tackled him to keep him from getting a technical! graemlins/rofl.gif Jordan - always so perfect in presentation in front of the cameras - would lose his shit, man!!!! Scoring titles, championships, record breaking seasons and HIGH COMEDY! DRAMA! SUSPENSE! ROMANCE!!!!!!

graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Man - Rodman is a hall of famer. Best thing Krause ever did bringing that guy to Chicago. [/QUOTE]and i think i even read his autobiography in one sitting too. man, i loved how that guy played the game. some may not have liked it but i loved watching him work.

richierich

05-22-2003, 12:09 PM

I was really excited when the Bulls got Dennis... punk ass Horace thought when he went to Orlando that he was gonna get a ring there. Rodman almost ripped Horace's arm off going for a rebound one time.. and nobody messed with Dennis either.. nobody..Jason Williams(New Jersey Nets) thougt he could but ..nope!

corwin

05-22-2003, 12:12 PM

I wasn't going to post this because it's not PC. But this thread is not very PC, and it's funny as shit so....

http://www.outsports.com/ballin/022601.htm

[ May 22, 2003, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: corwin ]

05-22-2003, 12:25 PM

This is why I liked Rodman:

http://image.pathfinder.com/sicover/MEDRES99/M030899.jpg http://www.pdnonline.com/20years/sports/images/07_sam_forencich.jpg http://www.notbored.org/rodman-rebound.gif http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nba/2000/0203/photo/a_drodman.jpg http://www.n-link.com/~autograph/bak16.jpg http://inba.ifrance.com/inba/rodpisto.jpg http://w3.trib.com/~dont/icons/denis45.jpg

05-22-2003, 12:26 PM

This is why I didn't like Rodman:
http://movieweb.com/movie/doubleteam/co4.jpg http://www.dqfad.com/images/rodman0.jpg http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nba/2000/0220/photo/a_dennisr.jpg http://www.naomisworld.com/Thumbnails/Dennis%20Rodman-Antonio.jpg http://hot.ee/spurs/dennisrodman/dennisrodman2.jpg http://www.sahoops.net/hist4pic2.jpg

Friday

05-22-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Albert D.:
This is why I didn't like Rodman:
http://movieweb.com/movie/doubleteam/co4.jpg http://www.dqfad.com/images/rodman0.jpg http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nba/2000/0220/photo/a_dennisr.jpg http://www.naomisworld.com/Thumbnails/Dennis%20Rodman-Antonio.jpg http://hot.ee/spurs/dennisrodman/dennisrodman2.jpg http://www.sahoops.net/hist4pic2.jpg MMMMM....Thats why I like him graemlins/cheering.gif

Sharp Eye Washington

05-22-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by corwin:
I wasn't going to post this because it's not PC. But this thread is not very PC, and it's funny as shit so....

http://www.outsports.com/ballin/022601.htm Funny!

fred da warrior

05-22-2003, 01:27 PM

Man - Rodman is a hall of famer. Best thing Krause ever did bringing that guy to Chicago. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Gotta agree with ya here. If Dennis Rodman doesn't go FIRST BALLOT, then they out to shut the building down, period. If you want to show youngsters about rebounding and defensive positioning get a tape of his last 3 years in Detroit and the Bulls years. Or ask Shaq and Alonzo Mourning, who Rodman played better than anyone Shaq's or Zo's height.

Remember, folks- Rodman for Will Purdue, straight up. And Jerry Krause didn't know what he was doing?

Sharp Eye Washington

05-22-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
Men love them some basketball.... Yeah baby! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Koffy Brown

05-22-2003, 01:37 PM

Men love them some basketball....

YUJI-SAN

05-22-2003, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by %seRge%:
I once heard a story about these 2 professional football players who where driving, and the passenger was doing the deed to the driver. They got into an accident, I think they were seriously hurt. [qb][QUOTE]no, that was Teddy Pendegrass
:rolleyes:
"Bad Luck......" Teddy Pendergrass is not gay yo.

[ May 22, 2003, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: YUJI BR0WN ]

Sharp Eye Washington

08-22-2003, 09:36 AM

Bump

däp

08-22-2003, 09:55 AM

i think it depends on the sport. have not male figure skaters been generally perceived/accepted as gay? football, basketball = no, no. bryant gumbell(sp) did a story on a football player who came out. end of career.

[ August 22, 2003, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

D J 1 3 8

08-22-2003, 10:21 AM

Certainly there's some WBA players that are out?
Definitely some female tennis stars of the past.
Men, I doubt America's ready for it.
It would need to come from an already respected figure.
Magic had his chance... graemlins/bolt.gif

Brut by Faberge

08-22-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
It would need to come from an already respected figure.I have a diffucult time believing that even a highly respected and revered member of the sports community would create a turn-around in peoples' (read: male athletes') perceptions toward gay men in sports (esp. football and basketball).

Unless the PR was something akin to brain-washing, I see us all sitting around the tube with a beer watching an entire career go down the shi*ter. Obviously, my faith in humanity has caught a few too many beat downs.

There is certainly a hierarchy of realms for any degree and type of social change. For gay men, sports will probably fall in dead last. Darrow said it plain earlier: this will take some serious time.

peace

D J 1 3 8

08-22-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
Obviously, my faith in humanity has caught a few too many beat downs.
DHP Post Of The Day. ;)

mhd

08-22-2003, 10:51 AM

contrary point, surprise, acceptance of gays in the mainstream is at an all-time high, from bishops to prime-time tv to homo-erotic love scenes on mtv/showtime. the hero worship of athletes is also sky-high, if a previously squeaky clean superstar male jock came out of the closet they would get some rejection but mad love today

Leslie

08-22-2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
contrary point, surprise, acceptance of gays in the mainstream is at an all-time high, from bishops to prime-time tv to homo-erotic love scenes on mtv/showtime. the hero worship of athletes is also sky-high, if a previously squeaky clean superstar male jock came out of the closet they would get some rejection but mad love today Why specifically "squeaky clean"?

mhd

08-22-2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
contrary point, surprise, acceptance of gays in the mainstream is at an all-time high, from bishops to prime-time tv to homo-erotic love scenes on mtv/showtime. the hero worship of athletes is also sky-high, if a previously squeaky clean superstar male jock came out of the closet they would get some rejection but mad love today Why specifically "squeaky clean"? [/QUOTE]the key to athletic adoration is the media that covers them, barry bonds and eddie murray are considered bad guys because of their relationship with the reporters that cover them. so if bonds were gay they would crucify him because they already hate the guy. but if say, A-Rod or Kobe (pre-rape) or Lebron or Grant Hill or Shane Battier they could pull it off. much like Magic did when he "came out" re his HIV status, initially idiots like karl malone made it difficult, now Magic is an international hero. I don't recall any backlash against louganis.

quiet as its kept, there is no doubt in my mind that Jeff Garcia, QB for the 49ers is gay

Ron la Rock

08-22-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Certainly there's some WBA players that are out?
Definitely some female tennis stars of the past.
Men, I doubt America's ready for it.
It would need to come from an already respected figure.
Magic had his chance... graemlins/bolt.gif WAIT A FAWKIN MINUTE
did You just imply straight males can't get inffected with HIV?

please clear this up
take the blinders off
mad1.gif

[ August 22, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Ron paizley ]

D J 1 3 8

08-22-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Certainly there's some WBA players that are out?
Definitely some female tennis stars of the past.
Men, I doubt America's ready for it.
It would need to come from an already respected figure.
Magic had his chance... graemlins/bolt.gif WAIT A FAWKIN MINUTE
did You just imply straight males can't get inffected with HIV?

please clear this up
take the blinders off
mad1.gif [/QUOTE]A) I was kidding, sorta.

B) on the real, given the statistics of straight men contracting HIV from women, there is a great possibility that magic's claim that he contracted aids from a woman is false.

Leslie

08-22-2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
contrary point, surprise, acceptance of gays in the mainstream is at an all-time high, from bishops to prime-time tv to homo-erotic love scenes on mtv/showtime. the hero worship of athletes is also sky-high, if a previously squeaky clean superstar male jock came out of the closet they would get some rejection but mad love today Why specifically "squeaky clean"? [/QUOTE]the key to athletic adoration is the media that covers them, barry bonds and eddie murray are considered bad guys because of their relationship with the reporters that cover them. so if bonds were gay they would crucify him because they already hate the guy. but if say, A-Rod or Kobe (pre-rape) or Lebron or Grant Hill or Shane Battier they could pull it off. much like Magic did when he "came out" re his HIV status, initially idiots like karl malone made it difficult, now Magic is an international hero. I don't recall any backlash against louganis.

quiet as its kept, there is no doubt in my mind that Jeff Garcia, QB for the 49ers is gay [/QUOTE]Understood.

The Buddy Love Show

08-22-2003, 05:05 PM

I agree with Shockey on this one - i aint feelin showering with homos

I particpated in a lot of sports and watch a lot of them..if someone were openly gay we would have crucified them (still would)...cats talk trash about EVERYTHING while competing (nothing is out of bounds) and homos would be a 24/7 target

should they play ..yes...should they come out HELLZ NO!

JMJ

08-22-2003, 05:23 PM

Ronnie Ron

08-22-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by serge:
I'd say stay in the closet until the you sign the quarter billion dollar 5 year contract.

THEN come out with rainbow guns blazing. Serge Yoooooz a nutt brotha.. icon_rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif

In my opinion it should not matter what your sexuality is, just like a job if you do it well then whats the fuss. I hope someday Gay athletes can come out of the closet without being ostrasized and put down and possible loosing there positions. We are all under the Unbrella of life together.

R-R