Acid skool was in session...

[Red D]

Hey Peepz,

Dunno how it is in other countries, but Belgium has a vibrant underground scene at the moment that focuses on the harder side of electronic music: break core, hard tek, ragga jungle and all that, and also acid. But acid at those parties tends to be faster and more trancy than the acid house we so love (well, myself, Jonny, AC and Placid do ;) ).
Sometimes some dj is announced as an 'oldskool acid dj', but that doesn't mean you get to hear where it came from.
This weekend however we organised a hard tek/break core party at the youth centre where I work and in the second room there was room for me, and I had promised the crowd to show them what acid was all about, and school was in session with Armando, Mike Dunn, Phuture, Hardfloor, DJ ESP, Mike Dearborn, etc... I didn't know what to expect but they dug it in major fashion and every 5 minutes some punter came up to the booth to ask what the hell that record was... The looks on their faces when they realised this 'new' shit was made way back in the 80ies...
I think I might have boosted the ebay price of acid house gems :(

Been asked to play a couple of these parties already, so one could say I'm on a mission ;)

"So many questions have been raised about this new dance kraze called acid...this is acid!!!"

RD

[David Le C]

You go Red! Teach those kids some'...

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[DJ76]

I noticed that what people see as "house" here in Holland and perhaps in Belgium has more of a hard, deep, dark and raw sound. I like it. Not that I could go for it all night long, there needs to be a variety, but that raw sound... hmmmm!
Ok, enough with the hmmmm!

[Placid]

"Sometimes some dj is announced as an 'oldskool acid dj', but that doesn't mean you get to hear where it came from."

if i had a pound for every time i heard that line.....and it turned out to be a shit night....

got afew pictures from my acid house tour in spain on my site.. http://www.acid-house.net

Got a couple of soundfiles to upload when i get the time...

Viva.. acid house....!!!!!!

[ August 18, 2003, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Placid ]

[Martin Red]

UK perspective.
Over the years since the Acid explosion in the UK which led to the bastard child “rave music ” whatever the **** that was ever supposed to be .
I have found Acid, like techno also attracts people who are not as likely to jump onto Disco or funk or soul, it is safer as doesn't require much dancing know how, therefore you can get into tracky music and get down at a club without feeling out of place. I know some guys that used to only listen to Rock ! now all they listen to is techno techno techno, mostly don’t understand about the genre, both young and old but the older did have the opportunity to listen at the time just didn’t get it as they hadn’t yet consumed drugs, as they where old enough then (it is a shame some people only get it post drug experience). Some /most, certainly don’t get the connection with Chicago until they watched Pump Up The Volume on Channel4, certainly they get the Detroit connection but this connection was for the non-expert an easy connection to make even if you got into techno in 1999.

I believe this is also the reason for the Acid and techno explosion here in the UK mid-late eighties, drugs and the music go hand in hand and as long as you can raise both hands you'll be OK, however long you've been into it. Probably the same as the trance thing a little bit, go to most trance club as you get a bunch of people doing a generic accepted form of dance, almost uniform. I have friends who can't stand if it isn't tracky, they don't like vocals especailly with any element of soul, they do like Eminem though, urm, hard is good and anything else is a threat to their masculinity, or perhaps it may be just challenging the Status Quo they have created for themselves. Harder music used to be a little bit more about challenging the Status quo, now and since the 90's harder trackier stuff is more accepted as the face fits more to modern youth. Theme music for reality shows..., car adverts, etc etc.

An instrumental bang bang track from 89 isn't that different to something on Ovum that goes bang bang, I can dig this but can’t accept the close mindedness of the punters have a set idea, they only want that and nothing else. Perhaps this is just the youth. Something I may have lost contact with, perhaps the youth left to their own devices will learn about the many facets of dance music, or perhaps they will tunnel into a certain genre and stay their as so called experts? In the future. Perhaps they take a bite and leave the rest the grow mould ?
Acid house is fantastic, but to me and I probably less than some Chi people on this board have seen that and bought the Tshirt, still waiting patientially for the progression that didn’t come later. It broke some boundaries in the 80’s but hasn’t done much lately, don’t get me wrong I still love the sound but I ain’t jumping into this genre with both feet nowadays

I have played Acid for years and I have enjoyed playing it, but it was born out of a certain time and that time hasn't been surpassed to me, in other words it hasn't got any better than when Chicago or Detroit was pumping out these tracks. So now it's repetition somewhat, which is such a shame as when the music was released it seemed the future , rather than now it is the past, it's great still but some ground needs to be broken again and I doubt this will be done with people using Rebirth etc. New equipment may give new sounds but for the moment we are obsessed with tracks that broke boundaries years ago, I still take Acid music in my box incase the opportunity arises, as with Red D’s party experience you can play it to younger people that make pick up on it, good one Red D.

I find the young people like it but they prefer Josh Wink sounds to some of the 80’s stuff. Prefer a less pure sound; enjoy a more druggy aspect perhaps.

[ August 18, 2003, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[beaniboy67]

Thats awesome Red d!!I have had similar experiences myself.About a year back i went to a back to 89 night here in Scotland.Now the Djs who were playing were Djs i used to go hear in 90 ,91,92, ect and although i am well aware of the acid sound and was listening to that type of music long before i could ever go clubbing the night in question took it from acid to early house.The funny thing was the club where the night was held usually plays harder more commercial house sounds nowadays especially on the day the old school night was scheduled for.Some of the people attending obviously went all the same and were not totally aware of what they were in store for.All i can say is that the younger people there could not really believe the music and how the older people partied.i spoke to a few of them and they were like "What is this music, how come ive neve heard this,why is everyone going crazy and shouting and dancing so hard".There isnt really much you can tell them really. All i said was this music captures a time when clubbing was different and at that time the music was ground breaking.Whether they understood the vibe i dont no but they went crazy for it.On the word of tech house and deeper track y stuff there is some places you can go hear the shit,Slam in Glasgow play a very deep trackky acid sound and to be honest i attended there for years.Most of my friends did too but now they are older and married and dont go clubbing they only listen to hip hop.I can remember way back when they liked Us house and garage, the stuff i still play and listen too.Lots of vocals and nice melodies but now that musicdoesnt do it for them or its gay sounding.Why is this when for years it was what they wanted to hear and play???

[Number Two]

Ya see? It's just good grooves that people want. Check out my little Acidic contribution:

http://groovechaser.tripod.com/mp3oftheweek/

To tell you the truth,Acid House is what REALLY got me into House. From the first time I bought the House Hallucanates comp,hat was it for me. I was a regular a the Acid House night at the Empire club in Dallas in 1988. I grabbed up anything Acid that was at Bill's records. But that was the thing,I burned myself out on it too much too fast too soon. For a couple of years I couldn't even listen to another 303 again. I came back around very soon after that after hearing the Hardfloor classic "Aciperence"(sp),but I think that I was not alone. All you saw between 1988 and 1990 were smiley face shirts and heard 303's and it got to be just another passing phase to a lot of people. As a dance music lover,I am guilty of wanting to see it progress,and therefore looking for the new sound. But as I see it now,I see producers taking the best of the past 30 years of dance music and expanding on that. That is why you are seening this 80's thing coming about now. I dunno,I like it. But I always have. I think it all will come full circle one day.


Peace.

[ August 18, 2003, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: Walter Jones ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Walter Jones:
Ya see? It's just good grooves that people want. Check out my little Acidic contribution:

http://groovechaser.tripod.com/mp3oftheweek/

Peace. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Mocambo]

That's good to see you are passing on what you know.

[jurren]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
I have played Acid for years and I have enjoyed playing it, but it was born out of a certain time and that time hasn't been surpassed to me, in other words it hasn't got any better than when Chicago or Detroit was pumping out these tracks. So now it's repetition somewhat, which is such a shame as when the music was released it seemed the future , rather than now it is the past, it's great still but some ground needs to be broken again and I doubt this will be done with people using Rebirth etc just wanted to say i feel the same way.
i like the pre-90's acid, but 99% of the stuff released after that leaves me cold. in fact the only acid records that i like that have been released since, are those that are deeply rooted in the original chicago acid. sendex' 'do you really just wanna dance' on bunker that was recently released comes to mind.

jurren

[Monny JcIntosh]

All the dust I've stirred up from sorting out all my stuff for moving has made me feel really ill but I'm going to dig out some acid to clear my lungs. Jurren/Martin - remember (I'm sure you do) some of the best acid was made by UR... "The Final Frontier"? Right, I'm off to bang it out! :D Walter, I heard your track the other day graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[GrantB]

Speaking of Belgium and acid, I found a record yesterday: Major Problems - Acid Queen on Complete Kaos 1988. It uses the 303 line from I've Lost Control (I think that's the one?). Strange, but at 112 bpm it mixes with all sorts of different stuff. Is this rare?

[GrantB]

Oh and my favorite post-acid acid track is Symbiosis - Oxygen on Alleviated.

[Number Two]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
:D Walter, I heard your track the other day graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thanks,Jonny!

[Red D]

Originally posted by GrantB:
Speaking of Belgium and acid, I found a record yesterday: Major Problems - Acid Queen on Complete Kaos 1988. It uses the 303 line from I've Lost Control (I think that's the one?). Strange, but at 112 bpm it mixes with all sorts of different stuff. Is this rare? That was a major hit in the Belgian New Beat scene, quite rare in the rest of the world I guess, but pops up often on Belgian flea markets smile.gif

"I'm an acid queen, if you know what I mean" :D

RD

[GrantB]

Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GrantB:
Speaking of Belgium and acid, I found a record yesterday: Major Problems - Acid Queen on Complete Kaos 1988. It uses the 303 line from I've Lost Control (I think that's the one?). Strange, but at 112 bpm it mixes with all sorts of different stuff. Is this rare? That was a major hit in the Belgian New Beat scene, quite rare in the rest of the world I guess, but pops up often on Belgian flea markets smile.gif

"I'm an acid queen, if you know what I mean" :D

RD </font>[/QUOTE]I put it on at Obsidians house and he said "Oh my god this is the perfect vougeing track!" and then he proceded to ride it forever with Love Hangover and then again with Fatback Goin to See My Baby. Shiz was HOT!

You know how some DJs can instantly think up a pile of perfect mixes whenever they hear something they like? I am working on developing this skill. He said it's all about having your cuts organized by BPM... hmmmmm.

[mayz]

yepyep, RedD showed us some real acid stuff that night hail.gif wonderfull set , wonderfull night :D

And man, i hope your gona turn some more of that stuff on other "oldskool acid / hardtek" partys !!! i wonder how it sounds in some lonely wearhouse packed with ****ed-up-party-kidds biggrinangel.gif

(dam'n cant find a belgian-acid set at the moment .. you would be surprised :D )

[Red D]

All they have to do is ask me and I'll school y'all some more ;)

RD