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GROOVE VICTIM

08-19-2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think it is and it says alot. Would you be so kind as to elaborate??

d [/QUOTE]I don't know what's going on with the label, but day by day they are loosing money as this Summer Anthem gets burned to CD and traded off to any DJ all over the world.

By the time this record gets officially released, they would've probably lost more than half of the projected buyers of this song because they already have it. The only thing that will save this song is a shit load of remixes.

Peace

mhd

08-19-2003, 09:03 AM

"a slow grave" classic

D J 1 3 8

08-19-2003, 09:09 AM

I've noticed lately that there are even two different mixes on CDR now, the original, and one with a little more blaze-like keyboard work. The newer version sounds a little tighter. Perhaps it is finally ready for release...

mdpm99

08-19-2003, 09:11 AM

Got it....thank you GV smile.gif d

blackwax

08-19-2003, 09:36 AM

Thanks Groove

That was what I was looking for
I have had customer orders for this cut for a while now and they are getting real frustrated
i am just waiting for them too come into the store because they have got ot from soulseek or somewhere its bad for buisness to hang onto these things for this length of time!!
see the elements of life thread

p.s one of my suppliers has not been in for 2 weeks now due to lack of releases!!!!!!!!!!

David Le C

08-19-2003, 10:01 AM

It's an anthem, and I want it baaaaaaaaaad... I hate this shit man, just make it, and release it, you can always start a hype afterwards...

Tony Cano

08-19-2003, 10:13 AM

even though i get some stuff on cd-r, i always make it a point to buy the vinyl. so i think not all the potential lost.

tc

blackwax

08-19-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by David Le C:
It's an anthem, and I want it baaaaaaaaaad... I hate this shit man, just make it, and release it, you can always start a hype afterwards... exactly hail.gif

blackwax

08-19-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
even though i get some stuff on cd-r, i always make it a point to buy the vinyl. so i think not all the potential lost.

tc unfortunately not everyone thinks that way

David Le C

08-19-2003, 10:30 AM

or maybe they think that way, but just don't have the money...

blackwax

08-19-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by David Le C:
or maybe they think that way, but just don't have the money... A bit of both but in these times every sale counts

p.s thanks for signing the store guestbook smile.gif

[ August 19, 2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: blackwax ]

Mocambo

08-19-2003, 11:06 AM

Whyteout played that cut@Cordell's Sunday night spot(in Chi). Straight Heat!!!!

jc.

08-19-2003, 11:44 AM

Someone needs to bring Freddy Sanon onto the board to explain himself smile.gif

Drrtynewyork

08-19-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think it is and it says alot. Would you be so kind as to elaborate??

d [/QUOTE]I don't know what's going on with the label, but day by day they are loosing money as this Summer Anthem gets burned to CD and traded off to any DJ all over the world.

By the time this record gets officially released, they would've probably lost more than half of the projected buyers of this song because they already have it. The only thing that will save this song is a shit load of remixes.

Peace [/QUOTE]so true, i have my cd copy smile.gif but i still want the vinyl
;)

12th house

08-19-2003, 12:02 PM

a similar thing happened with "Slavery Days" (3 Generations Walking). By the time the record came out, it had been played and burned so much that no one really cared...or bought it...the record had great momentum when it was fresh but then... graemlins/conf44.gif

I guess that's the meaning of "slow grave classic"?

GROOVE VICTIM

08-19-2003, 12:06 PM

Will this song be released on CD for the "Clubheads"?

Will there be additional remixes (it better if they want to put a extra penny in their pocket)?

Are there any license negotiations going on so it can be placed on a couple of Dance Music compilations in the future?

Is there going to be a release party with Vinyl as well as CD giveaways (watch the shit be free, moe money moe money moe money flyin out yo pockets)?

Was this song "the shit" when the execs first heard it, or was it just another record that they decided to "eventully" in the near future release it?

Peace

[ August 19, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

Hippie

08-19-2003, 12:20 PM

I don't know what Freddy is waiting for but not releasing it doesn't mean it wont sell! I'll tell you a story. Me and my partner Mark had done a mix of a Rosie Gaines song called "Closer Than Close" now the label " Motown" never put it out and time passed. Comes a year later and someone bootlegged our mix! It sold quite well but still Motown did not put it out. Now came a little Scottish label " Big Bang" and they decide they want to put it out so they licensed it from Motown and since our mix was the one on the bootleg they buy our mix. Now it's almost two years and they get remixes done and they put it out. Bang right out of the box it sold over 200,000 units and enter the top 5 in the British pop charts. It went on to sell over 8 million units when you include compilation albums. So you see not being out doesn't mean it wont sell.

GROOVE VICTIM

08-19-2003, 12:32 PM

Good point Hippie, but how many Djs had CD burners back in the mid to late 90s compared to now. How many P2P sharing programs were on the net other then Napster? And how many people had the record (when Motown had the rights to it and before it was bootlegged) before it was eventually released.

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Light Skinted Wif Good Hur

08-19-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Hippie:
I don't know what Freddy is waiting for but not releasing it doesn't mean it wont sell! I'll tell you a story. Me and my partner Mark had done a mix of a Rosie Gaines song called "Closer Than Close" now the label " Motown" never put it out and time passed. Comes a year later and someone bootlegged our mix! It sold quite well but still Motown did not put it out. Now came a little Scottish label " Big Bang" and they decide they want to put it out so they licensed it from Motown and since our mix was the one on the bootleg they buy our mix. Now it's almost two years and they get remixes done and they put it out. Bang right out of the box it sold over 200,000 units and enter the top 5 in the British pop charts. It went on to sell over 8 million units when you include compilation albums. So you see not being out doesn't mean it wont sell. Did you do "I Want You" too?

Hippie

08-19-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Whyteout

Did you do "I Want You" too? Yeah we did that too! what's funny is that when Rosie first heard the record she cried cause she thought it was horrible " the munchkin voice thing " and Motown wasn't going to put it out but my friend Eddie Maduro who did a mix they accepted told them put it out just so they get credit. Well Motown put out the mixes in the USA but our mix never made it! The mix they call ours is actually one of Eddies other mixes. Our mix did come out but only on the British Motown release.

Light Skinted Wif Good Hur

08-19-2003, 12:52 PM

Are the beats similar to "Closer than Close"--I always liked "I want you" better and I think I do have the import!

jeremy

08-19-2003, 01:24 PM

The 'I Want You' was the Weekend mix right?
Still sounds hot.
The kick drum on that record is just ridiculous.

jeremy

08-19-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Will this song be released on CD for the "Clubheads"?

Will there be additional remixes (it better if they want to put a extra penny in their pocket)?

Are there any license negotiations going on so it can be placed on a couple of Dance Music compilations in the future?

Is there going to be a release party with Vinyl as well as CD giveaways (watch the shit be free, moe money moe money moe money flyin out yo pockets)?

Was this song "the shit" when the execs first heard it, or was it just another record that they decided to "eventully" in the near future release it?

Peace Groove, ....uh, never mind :rolleyes:

Hippie

08-19-2003, 05:09 PM

Yeah The Weekend Mix is our mix on I Want You. It's basically same drums but we did I Want You at my home studio and Closer Than Close at Marks home studio.

beaniboy67

08-19-2003, 10:23 PM

Hippie see the little scottish label!Can you remember any of the guys names from the label??

It wasnt Jon mancini was it???

Hippie

08-20-2003, 02:42 AM

Can't remember there names but the owner of the label was called Bobo!

jc.

08-20-2003, 03:07 AM

Hippie, those remixes of Rosie Gaines were (and still are) incredible :D (Do you and Mark plan to do any more Mentor productions or remixes in the future?)

I think a lot's changed since 96/97, though. That record was bootlegged twice (once with an Smack mix of SWV on the other side, and again with a Kelly G remix of Tina Moore) but still went on to sell loads of copies when it came out commercially. Not only were cd-rs and downloading nowhere near as prevalent, as Groove mentioned, but it also had a few more hot remixes on the finished label copy (including a mad revocalled version in French, if memory serves). Hopefully Shelter have something tucked up their sleeves when this finally drops...

beaniboy67

08-20-2003, 03:21 AM

Whats the ambrosia track called??

Mickey Blanco

08-20-2003, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by beaniboy67:
Whats the ambrosia track called?? Thats how much I love you

Peace

Mickey B

jeremy

08-20-2003, 04:25 AM

There were two things with the Rosie Gaines record. First and foremost it was a hot track, period.
Secondly, it coincided with the birth of the speed garage scene, at that time it was called happy house. It was one of the few tracks that actually had a vocal, and it got played by EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME!

It actually started in the soulful house scene, as an anthem with Paul Trouble, Zoo, myself etc, and then the speed garage boys picked up on it. The timing was just right with that record.
Not taking anything away from Rosie, or Hippie and Mark(don't shoot me now), but if that record came out earlier, or later, it is possible it wouldn't have been so hugely succesful.

And it was always about the Mentor mix btw, the remixes were just done to keep the GrooveVictim types happy, but they didn't get too many plays.

Side note: I had an opportunity to give that track a UK premier on radio. The a&r at Motown had just recieved the DAT, and I was doing a guest spot on Kiss that night. He let me borrow the DAT, and I was feeling the track, but it was just a little too slow compared to the rest of what I had lined up, so I didn't play it. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf45.gif
Oh well, I can't break ground all the time!
Maybe in retrospect it is good I didn't play it, maybe just maybe had I played it, Motown UK would have decided to release it in the UK, thus letting the track out too early, and we wouldn't be having this convo now.

I'll be quiet now. ;)

jc.

08-20-2003, 05:12 AM

Interesting points. That was definitely a good time for house music in the UK as tracks like...

Byron Stingily - Get up everybody
Ultra Nate - Free
Roy Davis Jnr / Peven Everett - Gabrielle
Somore / Damon Trueitt - I refuse
Kim English - Supernatural / Learn to love

...were not only slammin' tracks in their own rights, but they were being bought and played by a whole range of people. All of the above were licensed from their original US labels to subsidiaries of UK majors and, consequently, had extra exposure on radio and TV and possibly even videos (I remember the Get Up one, as I think it featured loads of Chicago legends gettin' down in the background smile.gif )

It's hard to imagine any of this happening today, which is a shame really as some of the songs coming out now are just as strong as these.

beaniboy67

08-20-2003, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by jc.:
Interesting points. That was definitely a good time for house music in the UK as tracks like...

Byron Stingily - Get up everybody
Ultra Nate - Free
Roy Davis Jnr / Peven Everett - Gabrielle
Somore / Damon Trueitt - I refuse
Kim English - Supernatural / Learn to love

...were not only slammin' tracks in their own rights, but they were being bought and played by a whole range of people. All of the above were licensed from their original US labels to subsidiaries of UK majors and, consequently, had extra exposure on radio and TV and possibly even videos (I remember the Get Up one, as I think it featured loads of Chicago legends gettin' down in the background smile.gif )

It's hard to imagine any of this happening today, which is a shame really as some of the songs coming out now are just as strong as these. Yup i agree with this!The thing is there are many top vocal cuts that could well go into the top 40 here in the UK!

As you said Ultra Nate,Rosy Gaines did it already in the earli 90s.Inafct id imagine that there are maybe even more top tunes coming out nowadays that could cut the mustard!

The quality of the equipment has also made a difference to the sound nowadays.Many ppl in here will argue that the music now is not a patch on the early 90s but to be honest everythinbg always looks rosier when you look back the way!!I think house is alive and well and there should be more down to get ppl on a house tip!!

If i was a Radio 1 Dj id be killin sum fat ass cuts!! :D

jc.

08-20-2003, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by beaniboy67:
As you said Ultra Nate,Rosy Gaines did it already in the earli 90s.The above are all from 96/97, but you could argue that the early-90s were even better, when people like the Def Mix crew, Steve 'Silk' Hurley, MAW, the Basement Boys, etc were at the top of their game and producing and remixing cuts on ALL the major labels. Hell, the majors even had their own house ACTS (see Ten City, Bas Noir, Jomanda, Robert Owens, Jovonn, Michael Watford etc)

Hippie

08-20-2003, 04:36 PM

1st. You're right about the Mentor mix being the seller on this record.
2nd Yes Rosie came out just when speed garage starting taking off in fact some of the speed garage pioneers told us back then that our record was one of the leaders for them.
3rd. I've heard this line about coming out at the right time before, in fact when I did "You're Gonna Miss Me" people said it did so well because everyone was into Acid and that record was so different. So I don't know if timing has much to do with it but if it does I can't wait for my next record I'm hoping it goes number 1 on the pop charts. And soon Mark and me will be working on some production. Peace fellas

jeremy

08-20-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Hippie:
.... So I don't know if timing has much to do with it but if it does I can't wait for my next record I'm hoping it goes number 1 on the pop charts. And soon Mark and me will be working on some production. Peace fellas Come with it http://deephousepage.com/smilies/praise2.gif

2121

08-21-2003, 07:21 AM

these guys just aren't good businessmen, like most producers and dj's, no wonder europe reigns supreme in sales and distribution despite the fact the music is sub-par compared to ours.

DJ76

08-21-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Mickey Blanco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaniboy67:
Whats the ambrosia track called?? Thats how much I love you

Peace

Mickey B [/QUOTE]ahahahahahaha. I've been hearing it all over and wondering what it was. See if it really is an anthem, people will buy it, but an average track that everyone got on Soul Seek, forget it, people won't bother. Say you hear an average track in the store and you don't buy it, then somehow you find it on the net and download it. You don't dig it that much, but you play it once during a gig. Who's paying who?

DJ Timmy Richardson

08-21-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by 2121:
these guys just aren't good businessmen, like most producers and dj's, no wonder europe reigns supreme in sales and distribution despite the fact the music is sub-par compared to ours. Then how do they stay in business?

Monny JcIntosh

08-21-2003, 11:34 AM

I can't stand that Ambrosia record but 100% agree with Jeremy about Hippie's remix of "I Want You". That kick drum is ****ing nuts.

beaniboy67

08-21-2003, 11:49 AM

I got it on MP3 and i think its a nice vibe!Fair enough its not ground breaking but its a nice cut!I wouldnt go hell bent on making waves about it or going crazy to get it when i came out but all the same its pretty sweet!Doesnt come near the quality of agent K but then again thats the only thing ive heard lately that i really like! smile.gif

TAD

08-21-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 2121:
these guys just aren't good businessmen, like most producers and dj's, no wonder europe reigns supreme in sales and distribution despite the fact the music is sub-par compared to ours. Then how do they stay in business? [/QUOTE]because some people here don't know what the f*ck they're talking about.

jeremy

08-21-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by beaniboy67:
I got it on MP3 and i think its a nice vibe!Fair enough its not ground breaking but its a nice cut!I wouldnt go hell bent on making waves about it or going crazy to get it when i came out but all the same its pretty sweet!Doesnt come near the quality of agent K but then again thats the only thing ive heard lately that i really like! smile.gif It's not groundbreaking, but it's a good honest piece of soulful dance music with some of the most beautiful lyrics I have heard in a while.
More 'traditional' than 'contempory', maybe they will do a mix that is more modern?
I like it, but we all have our onions http://deephousepage.com/smilies/chefico.gif

beaniboy67

08-22-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by jeremy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaniboy67:
I got it on MP3 and i think its a nice vibe!Fair enough its not ground breaking but its a nice cut!I wouldnt go hell bent on making waves about it or going crazy to get it when i came out but all the same its pretty sweet!Doesnt come near the quality of agent K but then again thats the only thing ive heard lately that i really like! smile.gif It's not groundbreaking, but it's a good honest piece of soulful dance music with some of the most beautiful lyrics I have heard in a while.
More 'traditional' than 'contempory', maybe they will do a mix that is more modern?
I like it, but we all have our onions http://deephousepage.com/smilies/chefico.gif [/QUOTE]Yup Jeremy it does have some nice lyrics!Great voice,quite fluffy lol if u get that!Hopefully it will come out cos i would buy it!there is a lack of really good songs on that kinda laid back tip and i would buy it!!I like that wee wood block thats in it too and the hand claps!!On the topic of onions tho i like mines wae sausages and mash tatties!! :D