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Cheddar

10-15-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Well, I am neither Pro-Bush nor pro-Israel, but it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that the bombing was carried out by Palestinians. Please share.

This article says it was these fools...but who are THEY? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1063311,00.html)

[ October 15, 2003, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: 1343 ]

C hristian

10-15-2003, 01:59 PM

please spread the awareness and get out the vote.

it's the only goddamn way! the ONLY way!

I'll do my part too!

You're fellow citizen, C

D J 1 3 8

10-15-2003, 01:59 PM

Well, I am neither Pro-Bush nor pro-Israel, but it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that the bombing was carried out by Palestinians.

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by 1343:
Yahoo Article w/ Quotes (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031015/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_mideast_gaza_3)

How can he blame Palestinians? An unheard of organization jumps up to take blame and the Occupation and the Counter-Attacks (which kill innocents) on the terrorists continue.

Now we are going to get in this? Because he's probably right with this..Do you really think that so called Popular Resistance Committee came out of the blue ? The Palestinians have been fighting in a common front for quite some time now. It's about time Bush starts calling out Arafat for this, imo

jimmymack-2000

10-15-2003, 02:05 PM

That article didn't get the name of the victims' organization right: it's DynCorp, and if these three worked for that firm, I'd be very surprised if they were there interviewing potential scholarship recipients...

Article on DynCorp (http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6328)

Excerpt: US Rep. Janice Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat, told Wired magazine that hiring a private company to fly what amounts to combat missions is asking for trouble. DynCorp's employees have a history of behaving like cowboys," Schakowsky noted.

"Is the US military privatizing its missions to avoid public controversy or to avoid embarrassment - to hide body bags from the media and shield the military from public opinion?" she asked.

[ October 15, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: jimmymack-2000 ]

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
That article didn't get the name of the victims' organization right: it's DynCorp, and if these three worked for that firm, I'd be very surprised if they were there interviewing potential scholarship recipients...

Article on DynCorp (http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6328)

Excerpt: US Rep. Janice Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat, told Wired magazine that hiring a private company to fly what amounts to combat missions is asking for trouble. DynCorp's employees have a history of behaving like cowboys," Schakowsky noted.

"Is the US military privatizing its missions to avoid public controversy or to avoid embarrassment - to hide body bags from the media and shield the military from public opinion?" she asked. they were security agents

D J 1 3 8

10-15-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by 1343:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Well, I am neither Pro-Bush nor pro-Israel, but it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that the bombing was carried out by Palestinians. Please share.

This article says it was these fools...but who are THEY? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1063311,00.html) [/QUOTE]From the article you linked above, they claim to be Palestinans, so where's the confusion here?

" A Palestinian miltant group was today reported to have claimed responsibility for a bombing of a US diplomatic convoy in Gaza that left three Americans dead and one wounded."

jimmymack-2000

10-15-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
From the article you linked above, they claim to be Palestinans, so where's the confusion here?

" A Palestinian miltant group was today reported to have claimed responsibility for a bombing of a US diplomatic convoy in Gaza that left three Americans dead and one wounded." Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes:

D J 1 3 8

10-15-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes: Anything is possible I suppose, but I don't really see why one would assume that a bombing that occurred within Gaza and was claimed by a Palestinian militant group would not have been carried out by Palestinians. It's not like they're new to this bombing thing or anything. I think you folks are reaching here.

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:16 PM

I just read that The Popular Resistance Committee now denies any involvement in this attack ..

Linedog

10-15-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes: Anything is possible I suppose, but I don't really see why one would assume that a bombing that occurred within Gaza and was claimed by a Palestinian militant group would not have been carried out by Palestinians. It's not like they're new to this bombing thing or anything. I think you folks are reaching here. [/QUOTE]I think that it's in a certain groups best interest that the US not be neutral on the palestinian issue. wink.. wink .. nudge .. nudge.. ;)

dj c-los

10-15-2003, 02:22 PM

maybe...
1.get rid of Palestinians
2.because we support Isreal
3.and Isreal fights with Palestinians
4.so we'll get rid of Palestinians
5.to show support for Isreal

graemlins/stupid.gif

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Linedog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes: Anything is possible I suppose, but I don't really see why one would assume that a bombing that occurred within Gaza and was claimed by a Palestinian militant group would not have been carried out by Palestinians. It's not like they're new to this bombing thing or anything. I think you folks are reaching here. [/QUOTE]I think that it's in a certain groups best interest that the US not be neutral on the palestinian issue. wink.. wink .. nudge .. nudge.. ;) [/QUOTE]far-fetched !

MarkK

10-15-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
I just read that The Popular Resistance Committee now denies any involvement in this attack .. I think it was the People's Front of Judea that has now taken responsibility.

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by MarkK:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
I just read that The Popular Resistance Committee now denies any involvement in this attack .. I think it was the People's Front of Judea that has now taken responsibility. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised if those bastards where involved.. graemlins/rofl.gif

D J 1 3 8

10-15-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by MarkK:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
I just read that The Popular Resistance Committee now denies any involvement in this attack .. I think it was the People's Front of Judea that has now taken responsibility. [/QUOTE]WRONG. This is clearly the work of the Judean People's Front.

Linedog

10-15-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Linedog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes: Anything is possible I suppose, but I don't really see why one would assume that a bombing that occurred within Gaza and was claimed by a Palestinian militant group would not have been carried out by Palestinians. It's not like they're new to this bombing thing or anything. I think you folks are reaching here. [/QUOTE]I think that it's in a certain groups best interest that the US not be neutral on the palestinian issue. wink.. wink .. nudge .. nudge.. ;) [/QUOTE]far-fetched ! [/QUOTE]Really? How so? I would suggest Looking into the security operations in the middle east executed by Mossad.

lyot

10-15-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Linedog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Linedog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Just because everyone SAYS they're Palestinian, and they ARE from Palestinian Authority territory, doesn't mean they are Palestinian...wink, nudge, :rolleyes: Anything is possible I suppose, but I don't really see why one would assume that a bombing that occurred within Gaza and was claimed by a Palestinian militant group would not have been carried out by Palestinians. It's not like they're new to this bombing thing or anything. I think you folks are reaching here. [/QUOTE]I think that it's in a certain groups best interest that the US not be neutral on the palestinian issue. wink.. wink .. nudge .. nudge.. ;) [/QUOTE]far-fetched ! [/QUOTE]Really? How so? I would suggest Looking into the security operations in the middle east executed by Mossad. [/QUOTE]true..they have a track record.Yet, look at recent history and the way the Palestinians have been managing their shit. Look at how terrorism has become the strategy of the Palestinian leadership..If you only acknowledge the drama of Abu Mazen, there is to me no other explanation that all this is concocted on the highest Palestinian level, by Arafat himself. He pulls the strings. He is prepared to continue the road of terror because there's no other choice left for him..

Besides, targeting the US could risk to lead to a UN resolution and probably a UN involvement/intervention ..This is a wish of the Palestinian side, but most defenitly something the Israzeli are very wary off.

greetings

djyoavb

10-15-2003, 03:09 PM

the big shame about Bush and Sharon is that they act like ****ing demagogs. they don't want to solve problems from it's root, they react emotionally to current problems or attacks or "terror" (bush's favorite word since sept. 11), but do not think half a move forward. + they both disrespect the different (and that's an understaitment) which is a healthy basis for racism. those "leaders" r responsable for deaths of so many (sharon is going way back with this one it's realy his hobby), and how the hell do they stay up for so long... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Hippie

10-15-2003, 04:47 PM

To get an understanding of what is going on we have to go back a little in history. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWisrael.htm

This situation has been going on for sometime. The US influenced UN gave Isreal there homeland. And understand that none of the Arab nations were members of the UN so they had no say in the decision. This shit is deep and it will continue because the jews truly believe that God lead them to Isreal and that it is theres. The jews had no homeland through most of there history. Can you imagine a people without a homeland.

djyoavb

10-15-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Hippie:
To get an understanding of what is going on we have to go back a little in history. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWisrael.htm

This situation has been going on for sometime. The US influenced UN gave Isreal there homeland. And understand that none of the Arab nations were members of the UN so they had no say in the decision. This shit is deep and it will continue because the jews truly believe that God lead them to Isreal and that it is theres. The jews had no homeland through most of there history. Can you imagine a people without a homeland. no homeland + a mass genocide just a few years before the state was declared. btw, the arabs also believe that God lead them to Israel and that it is theres.

JoeB

10-15-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Hippie:
Can you imagine a people without a homeland. couldn't you say that about the palestinians now?

djyoavb

10-15-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hippie:
Can you imagine a people without a homeland. couldn't you say that about the palestinians now? [/QUOTE]true

Cheddar

10-16-2003, 06:31 AM

People perpetuate the sentiment that the Palestinians are the only group who use "terror".
You dont fight fire with fire. If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????

The misrepresentation of who is killing who and for what is disgusting.

der geile hund

10-16-2003, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375)

Cheddar

10-16-2003, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375) [/QUOTE]That is Terrorism.
How do you expect a man to strike back who had his whole life taken from him by some foreign intruders?
History will repeat itself forever.

mdpm99

10-16-2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Well, I am neither Pro-Bush nor pro-Israel, but it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that the bombing was carried out by Palestinians. + it was in a Palestine controlled area.

This conflict is the result of BOTH sides.

d

Cheddar

10-16-2003, 07:23 AM

Unfortunately the people in charge of the US as well as their dual loyalty advisors led us into Iraq with no proof to accompany their claims. Now the same thing may happen in Palestine.
You cannot belive anything they say without proof.

Furthermore, the more savage the admin and media make the Palestinians look..the less people who will actually stick around, hence less witnesses.

[ October 16, 2003, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: 1343 ]

C hristian

10-16-2003, 08:07 AM

rather than getting boiled down in arguing for argument's sake and claiming that we won an argument over the internet, let's focus on what we CAN change!

Spread the word about Bush.

We have GOT to get him out of office, but it's going to take EVERYBODY to do it! Start spreading the word!

JoeB

10-16-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375) [/QUOTE]speaking of bulldozers: story (http://www.redaart.com/rachelcorrie.html)

Cheddar

10-16-2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375) [/QUOTE]speaking of bulldozers: story (http://www.redaart.com/rachelcorrie.html) [/QUOTE]Yep and when Corrie died, how many people around you knew or heard of it? This is a great example of the lack of equilibrium in regards to the reporting of events over there.

jimmymack-2000

10-16-2003, 09:49 AM

Then there's this news item:

U.S. wins U.N. support for its Iraq plan (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031016.wunun1016/BNStory/International/)

What kind of payoff did it take to get France, Germany, Russia AND Syria to go along with the occupation and "reconstruction"?

djyoavb

10-16-2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by 1343:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375) [/QUOTE]speaking of bulldozers: story (http://www.redaart.com/rachelcorrie.html) [/QUOTE]Yep and when Corrie died, how many people around you knew or heard of it? This is a great example of the lack of equilibrium in regards to the reporting of events over there. [/QUOTE]we heard it here the day it happend.

JoeB

10-16-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by djyoavb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
If demolishing homes & farms as well as killing numerous innocent people each time a supposed Palestinian terrorist act happens (all these actions BTW are a result of Israel's land grab)is not terrorism..????Speaking of which: story (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375) [/QUOTE]speaking of bulldozers: story (http://www.redaart.com/rachelcorrie.html) [/QUOTE]Yep and when Corrie died, how many people around you knew or heard of it? This is a great example of the lack of equilibrium in regards to the reporting of events over there. [/QUOTE]we heard it here the day it happend. [/QUOTE]i bet. :(

btw, does anybody know what track is playing while you flip through the pics? shit is so powerful.