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Drrtynewyork
06-25-2003, 01:22 PM
By Lisa M. Bowman
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 25, 2003, 11:04 AM PT


In its most serious crackdown yet on file swapping, the Recording Industry Association of America said it will gather evidence against individuals who trade songs online and slap thousands of them with copyright-infringement lawsuits.
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Bolstered by recent court rulings that make it easier to unmask individual file swappers, the music industry trade group said it will launch a massive campaign Thursday to target individuals who offer "substantial amounts" of music through peer-to-peer networks.

"Once we begin our evidence-gathering process, any individual computer user who continues to offer music illegally to millions of others will run the very real risk of facing legal action in the form of civil lawsuits that will cost violators thousands of dollars and potentially subject them to criminal prosecution," RIAA President Cary Sherman said in a statement.




The RIAA said it will scan the public directories of peer-to-peer networks to reveal files that people are sharing and detect their Internet service providers. The association will then serve subpoenas on the ISPs to identify the individuals. It expects the first round of suits to be filed as early as August.

The RIAA has stepped up its pursuit of file swappers in recent months, but this plan marks the largest effort yet to file lawsuits against people who actually trade music. In late April, the RIAA tapped into chat functions in file-trading tools Kazaa and Grokster to send messages to users warning them they're breaking the law.

Copyright attorney Mark Radcliffe said the decision to follow up on the legal threats isn't surprising, but that the RIAA is going to have to balance its pursuit of illegal traders with the possibility of alienating consumers.

"It's obviously a high-risk strategy, because you're suing your own customers," said Radcliffe, a partner at Gray Cary Ware & Freidenrich, which is based in Palo Alto, Calif.




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The RIAA has also lined up nearly three dozen artists, including Missy Elliott, Shakira, Eve and the Dixie Chicks, to support its plans to sue music fans.

"We work really hard," Eve is quoted as saying in an RIAA release. "We love our fans and we appreciate the love, but don't steal from us, support us. Go in the stores and buy the records."

Until recently, the music industry focused its efforts on the creators of technology that allows people to trade files--including Napster, Scour and Aimster--not on the users themselves.

That strategy changed earlier this year, when the RIAA sued four university students it said ran services that searched computers connected to their college networks for MP3 song files. The students settled with the RIAA in May, with each agreeing to pay between $12,000 and $17,000.

This time around, the RIAA is not only pursuing suits against people who run mini-services, as the students did, but is also training its legal guns on those who actually trade the files. The RIAA said people who trade lots of files would potentially be the biggest targets, but there is no cut-off. Anyone who swaps unauthorized copies of songs could get snagged.

The RIAA's move was fueled in part by rulings in two separate cases that dealt with online music. In one case, a judge ruled in April that the makers of Grokster and Morpheus aren't liable for copyright infringing occurring as a result of people using their peer-to-peer software, leaving the labels little choice but to go after file swappers.

"It's one of the few strategies left," Radcliffe said.

In the second case, an appellate panel earlier this month ordered Verizon to turn over to the RIAA the names of people suspected of trading massive amounts of unauthorized files. This ruling will pave the way for copyright holders to more easily identify people who trade pirated files on peer-to-peer networks.

Independent music store owners, studio managers and a software anti-piracy group have also signed on to the RIAA's new legal efforts.

"P2P is an impressive technology, and nothing should make us lose sight of its potential," said Robert Holleyman, President and CEO of the Business Software Alliance, a trade group representing major software companies. "Yet, there are illegal uses of this technology that necessitate actions such as the strategy announced today by the RIAA."

drilla
06-25-2003, 01:28 PM
good. arrest them. make them pay.

Tempest
06-25-2003, 07:39 PM
Say the RIAA wins some of these cases , recoups some monetary amounts, will it then distribute this money to the artists or labels that were being distributed? Didn't think so...

eric justin
06-25-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Tempest:
Say the RIAA wins some of these cases , recoups some monetary amounts, will it then distribute this money to the artists or labels that were being distributed? Didn't think so... Good point. I have allways been against downloading as you may have read in other related post. Let's just hope that this isn't theft on a different level.

suenomartino
06-25-2003, 10:59 PM
talk about a sure fire way of combatting music piracy :rolleyes:

way to go RIAA!

mdpm99
06-26-2003, 12:03 AM
WASHINGTON (June 25) - The embattled music industry disclosed plans Wednesday for an unprecedented escalation in its fight against Internet piracy, threatening to sue hundreds of individual computer users who illegally share music files online.

The Recording Industry Association of America, citing significant sales declines, said it will begin Thursday to search Internet file-sharing networks to identify music fans who offer ``substantial'' collections of MP3 song files for downloading.

It expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within eight to 10 weeks.

Executives for the RIAA, the Washington-based lobbying group that represents major labels, would not say how many songs on a user's computer might qualify for a lawsuit. The new campaign comes just weeks after U.S. appeals court rulings requiring Internet providers to identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files.

The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said tens of millions of Internet users of popular file-sharing software after Thursday will expose themselves to ``the real risk of having to face the music.'' He said the RIAA plans only to file lawsuits against Internet users in the United States.

``It's stealing. It's both wrong and illegal,'' Sherman said. Alluding to the court decisions, Sherman said Internet users who believe they can hide behind an alias online are mistaken. ``You are not anonymous,'' Sherman said. ``We're going to begin taking names.''

Shopping at a Virgin Megastore in San Francisco, Jason Yoder was planning to delete file-sharing software he uses from his home computer because of the new lawsuit threat. He acknowledged using the Internet recently to find a copy of a rare 1970s soul recording, but he agreed that illegal downloads should be curtailed.

``It's sort of like a serial drunk driver has to have their license taken away at some point,'' said Yoder, 30.

Sharman Networks Ltd., which makes the popular Kazaa software and operates one of the world's largest file-sharing networks, said in a statement, ``It is unfortunate that the RIAA has chosen to declare war on its customers by engaging in protracted and expensive litigation.'' Sharman said it was interested in a business relationship with music labels and could protect their songs from illegal downloads using technology.

Country songwriter Hugh Prestwood, who has worked with Randy Travis, Trisha Yearwood and Jimmy Buffett, likened the RIAA's effort to a roadside police officer on a busy highway.

``It doesn't take too many tickets to get everybody to obey the speed limit,'' Prestwood said.

Critics accused the RIAA of resorting to heavy-handed tactics likely to alienate millions of Internet file-sharers.

``This latest effort really indicates the recording industry has lost touch with reality completely,'' said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. ``Does anyone think more lawsuits are going to be the answer? Today they have declared war on the American consumer.''

Sherman disputed that consumers, who are gradually turning to legitimate Web sites to buy music legally, will object to the industry's latest efforts against pirates.

``You have to look at exactly who are your customers,'' he said. ``You could say the same thing about shoplifters - are you worried about alienating them? All sorts of industries and retailers have come to the conclusion that they need to be able to protect their rights. We have come to the same conclusion.''

Mike Godwin of Public Knowledge, a consumer group that has challenged broad crackdowns on file-sharing networks, said Wednesday's announcement was appropriate because it targeted users illegally sharing copyrighted files.

``I'm sure it's going to freak them out,'' Godwin said. ``The free ride is over.'' He added: ``I wouldn't be surprised if at least some people engaged in file-trading decide to resist and try to find ways to thwart the litigation strategy.''

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against piracy. The RIAA has previously sued four college students it accused of making thousands of songs available for illegal downloading on campus networks. But Wednesday's announcement was the first effort to target users who offer music on broadly accessible, public networks.

The Motion Picture Association of America said it supported the efforts, but notably did not indicate it plans to file large numbers of civil lawsuits against Internet users who trade movies online.

MPAA Chief Jack Valenti said in a statement it was ``our most sincere desire'' to find technology solutions to protect digital copies of movies.

Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who has proposed giving the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies, said the RIAA's actions were overdue. ``It's about time,'' Berman said in a statement. ``For too long ... file-traffickers have robbed copyright creators with impunity.''

The RIAA said its lawyers will file lawsuits initially against people with the largest collections of music files they can find online. U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but Sherman said the RIAA will be open to settlement proposals from defendants.

06/25/03 22:08 EDT

mdpm99
06-26-2003, 12:06 AM
Ps. The industry also needs to lower its prices to the consumer.

d

drilla
06-26-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Tempest:
Say the RIAA wins some of these cases , recoups some monetary amounts, will it then distribute this money to the artists or labels that were being distributed? Didn't think so... you are speculating....you don't know what they will do with the money.

mancuso has a great point though...lower the prices...def.

Doug
06-26-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tempest:
Say the RIAA wins some of these cases , recoups some monetary amounts, will it then distribute this money to the artists or labels that were being distributed? Didn't think so... you are speculating....you don't know what they will do with the money.

mancuso has a great point though...lower the prices...def. </font>[/QUOTE]Lower prices, flexibility of choice, availability, and convenience. That's what labels need to focus on. iTunes is a start. I agree with the RIAA in principle, but I don't think for a second that litigation is actually going to be a deterrent to downloading.

SuzanneT
06-26-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
Ps. The industry also needs to lower its prices to the consumer.

d Hi David,
Not only should they lower prices but also put out some good product. Im just curious does the RIAA expect that after they start suing people left and right that the sales of music are suddenly going to RISE significantly? What will be their excuse when record sales still don't move?

Doug
06-26-2003, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by SuzanneT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
Ps. The industry also needs to lower its prices to the consumer.

d Hi David,
Not only should they lower prices but also put out some good product. Im just curious does the RIAA expect that after they start suing people left and right that the sales of music are suddenly going to RISE significantly? What will be their excuse when record sales still don't move? </font>[/QUOTE]With all due respect Suzanne, the "lack of good product" argument is really kind of suspect. "Good" is a very subjective term.

drilla
06-26-2003, 09:36 AM
i agree...this is not about "quality" or the opinion of what we deem as "good" music.

the articles are talking about stealing music...not about the quality of music in the present market.

drilla
06-26-2003, 09:38 AM
anyway...

i can dig it...i say arrest these people...make them pay huge fines...scare the rest of the masses into shying away from illegal downloading/posting music.

SOUL SAUCE
06-26-2003, 09:41 AM
woah.

Digiman
06-26-2003, 09:50 AM
I've used the itunes service and its very good. Its easy to use, you can check out 30secs of each track. You can also download the art work and at 99cents a track, it doesn't exactly break the bank. Coupled with the fact that you browse for tracks within the itunes application and Apple are onto a winner.

They've sold 5million tracks in 2 months already. I'd much rather use that service than file sharers which are just plain nasty.

And as for the ipod......

(I don't work for apple BTW, although it may sound like it from this post)

drilla
06-26-2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Albert Square:

(I don't work for apple BTW, although it may sound like it from this post) hahaha! that was funny.

kev
06-26-2003, 12:23 PM
By Mike Musgrove
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 26, 2003; Page E01

"Over 57 million Americans are using file-sharing software today. That's more than voted for President Bush."

SuzanneT
06-26-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Doug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SuzanneT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
Ps. The industry also needs to lower its prices to the consumer.

d Hi David,
Not only should they lower prices but also put out some good product. Im just curious does the RIAA expect that after they start suing people left and right that the sales of music are suddenly going to RISE significantly? What will be their excuse when record sales still don't move? </font>[/QUOTE]With all due respect Suzanne, the "lack of good product" argument is really kind of suspect. "Good" is a very subjective term. </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, Doug and Matthew, I stand corrected, "good" is subjective (and for the record I am not a participant in music filesharing).I guess I brought it up because I hear so many music lovers (especially R&B fans) complaining that they don't like the music thats been coming out. If people don't like what's being put out, they usually won't buy it. I'm just saying that piracy and bootlegging may be only some of the factors effecting sales.
I am totally all for cracking down on music pirates because they ARE taking food out of peoples mouths, but will the artists themselves reap any benefits from this?(I hope so, but I am skeptical about it) They also need to crack down on these fools selling homemade bootleg cd's out the trunks of there cars. The police here don't do a damn thing about them either. This new policywill bring about a change in piracy but I dont think its going to boost music sales.

daniel
06-26-2003, 01:10 PM
i'm gonna toss a couple molotovs next time i drive by.

JMNYC
06-26-2003, 04:15 PM
prices would be lower if there were a different business model set up. Itunes does just that.

The old model of

label--&gt;distributor--&gt;retailer--&gt;consumer

is tired and expensive. Labels, get with the program! Begin establishing one-to-one relationships with your consumers!

If you want a Mercedes, don't you go directly to the Mercedes dealership to get the best deal and the exact model/modifications you want? Why allow major labels that OWN their distribution, manufacturing AND retail outlets (or parts thereof) to design YOUR business model when they have advantages you don't?

There are way too many middle men in this game, taking a piece of the pie and not looking out for the artists and labels that work very hard to produce quality products.

File sharing isn't raping them anywhere near as much as their outdated business models are. Just ask Time Warner, whose tremendous perpetual income from cable modems (required for file sharing) somehow manages to go into the parent company's bank account without cutting even a small piece for the artists or labels. That's where all these numbers the majors present to the public go askew - the label and artist may be going bankrupt, but the parent company is making a killing.