Anti Homosexual Lyrics

[assholes delight]

Further proof that any moron can take a cheesy hook (Three Blind Mice), and make a dancehall smash!


Chi Chi Man
by T.O.K.
Intro:

My Crew (My Crew) my dogs (my dogs)
Set rules (Set rules) set laws (set laws)
We represent for di lords of yards
A gal alone a feel up my balls

Chorus:

From dem a par inna chi chi man car
Blaze di fire mek we bun dem!!!! (Bun dem!!!!)
From dem a drink inna chi chi man bar
Blaze di fire mek we dun dem!!!! (Dun dem!!!!)

Verse 1:

So mi go so, do yuh see weh I see???
Niggas when your doin that
Nuff a dem a freak dem a carry all dem dutty act
Thug nigga wanna bees nuff a dem a lick it back
It dem bring it to we, hold on nuff a cop a shot
Cop a shot rise up every calico go rat tat tat
Rat tat tat every chi chi man dem haffi get flat
Get flat, mi and my niggas ago mek a pack
Chi chi man fi dead and dat's a fact

Chorus:

From dem a par inna chi chi man car
Blaze di fire mek we bun dem!!!! (Bun dem!!!!)
From dem a drink inna chi chi man bar
Blaze di fire mek we dun dem!!!! (Dun dem!!!!)

Verse 2:

So mi go so la la la la la la la la la la la
Nah go mek nuh chi chi man walk right a so
>From a bwoy a deep we ago dun dem right now
Leff him whole family dem a blow wow

I see it from far mi and dem nah go par
A nuff a dem bwoy mi a smoke man cigar
Mi and dem coulda never inna wrong bar
Dem bwoy deh flex too bizarre

Chorus:

>From dem a par inna chi chi man car
Blaze di fire mek we bun dem!!!! (Bun dem!!!!)
>From dem a drink inna chi chi man bar
Blaze di fire mek we dun dem!!!! (Dun dem!!!!)

Repeat intro (2x):

My Crew (My Crew) my dogs (my dogs)
Set rules (Set rules) set laws (set laws)
We represent for di lords of yards
A gal alone a feel up my balls

Repeat Verse 1:

So mi go so, do yuh see weh I see???
Niggas when your doin that
Nuff a dem a freak dem a carry all dem dutty act
Thug nigga wanna bees nuff a dem a lick it back
It dem bring it to we, hold on nuff a cop a shot
Cop a shot rise up every calico go rat tat tat
Rat tat tat every chi chi man dem haffi get flat
Get flat, mi and my niggas ago mek a pack
Chi chi man fi dead and dat's a fact


http://www.reggaemania.com/magazine/published/october2001pub/magpagespdfoct2001/pages6-9.pdf
see article on TOK page 2

Anyone pickup TOK's new track produced by Bobby Konders?

[ November 26, 2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: homewrecker ]

[Mark Andrus]

useless "music" by and for useless people.

[Brian]

"boom bye bye inna batty boy head .. buju nah promote no batty man dem haffi dead"

-Buju Banton

:(

[quentin2bott]

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[Brut by Faberge]

guess dancehall guys need to make themselves feel better, too. graemlins/conf44.gif

"Don't let them fool ya,
Or even try to school ya! Oh, no!
We've got a mind of our own,
So go to hell if what you're thinking is not right!
Love would never leave us alone,
A - yin the darkness there must come out to light.

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too,
So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you)
Love your brotherman!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)

Don't let them change ya, oh!
Or even rearrange ya! Oh, no!
We've got a life to live.
They say: only - only -
Only the fittest of the fittest shall survive -
Stay alive! Eh!

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

(You ain't gonna miss your water until your well runs dry;
No matter how you treat him, the man will never be satisfied. )
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! (Say something!)
Say something! Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Uh!
Say something! Come on!
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)"

-Robert Nesta Marley-

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by Mark Andrus:
useless "music" by and for useless people. Dancehall, much like house, is either useless or brilliant. The stigma associated is the drawback. Useless people is too broad a generalization.

In defense at least you never see 30 fat white guys standing around a dancehall DJ's booth in cheap buttoned down shirts not dancing at peak time. ;)

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Mark Andrus:
useless "music" by and for useless people. dancehall never really took of in Sanfran

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[Martin Red]

Anti-gay reggae stars 'should be charged'

Tania Branigan
Tuesday December 24, 2002
The Guardian

Gay rights campaigners are pressing for the crown to carry out the first prosecution for incitement to homophobic violence, because of their fears that reggae stars are promoting hate crimes.
Although it is illegal to incite racial hatred, there is at present no equivalent ban on inciting hatred against the lesbian and gay community.

But the pressure group OutRage! hopes that singers who have become notorious for lyrics urging the burning, shooting and battering of gays could be prosecuted under the Public Order Act of 1986. "I am preparing a dossier for the police and asking them to prosecute the singers, record companies and distributors on charges of inciting violence against lesbians and gay men," said Peter Tatchell of OutRage!

"Our objection is not so much to the homophobia of the lyrics, but their specific encouragement of attacks on gay people.

"In a democratic society people have a right to criticise homosexuality. This does not include advocating the murder of lesbians and gay men."

He insisted that it was not a question of censorship, adding: "If a gay singer such as George Michael urged the killing of black men he would be prosecuted immediately. These artists, in contrast, are allowed to urge the shooting and burning of queers."

This month the director of public prosecutions, Sir David Calvert-Smith, told a parliamentary select committee that it should be possible to prosecute such cases under the Public Order Act, but that he had not been sent files by police.

The crown prosecution service has launched a crackdown on homophobic crime and last month announced that offenders would be treated with "zero tolerance". It said a homophobic element would be an aggravating factor making the crime more serious.

OutRage! is focusing on Capelton, TOK, Elephant Man and Beenie Man, who have scored hits in Jamaica and elsewhere with homophobic tracks. Beenie Man has apologised for some of his comments, but Mr Tatchell said he had included him in the file.

Log On by Elephant Man includes the words: "Log on and step pon chi chi [gay] man... Dance wi a dance and a bun [burn] out a freaky [gay] man.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,865010,00.html

[Martin Red]

Police study 'anti-gay' reggae claims

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39353000/jpg/_39353586_beenie_203.jpg
Beenie Man is one of the world's biggest reggae stars


Gay rights campaigners have complained to police about some of reggae's biggest stars over lyrics they say incite violence against homosexuals.

Beenie Man, Elephant Man and Bounty Killer - all nominated for Mobo Awards - are "reggae bigots", according to Peter Tatchell of the group Outrage!

The Mobos should withdraw their nominations, he said - but organisers have refused and denied any homophobia.

A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said they were studying the complaint.

She told BBC News Online: "The Met has received a complaint today alleging songs of a number of reggae artists nominated for a 2003 Mobo Award incite homophobic assault and murder due to the lyrics.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38288000/jpg/_38288985_mobo2_150.jpg
Peter Tatchell demonstrated at the Mobos in 2002


Officers from the Met's diversity directorate are currently studying the details of this allegation."

OutRage! says the singers, who are all Jamaican, have lyrics that tell listeners to do things like "murder dem fast just like a Federal Express".

The artists are all nominated in the best reggae category of the Mobos.

Mr Tatchell accused the awards of "rewarding bigotry", but organisers said the artists were not nominated for songs with homophobic lyrics, and banning them would be censorship.

Mr Tatchell said: "It is the moral equivalent of the Brit Awards nominating a racist entertainer who incites the killing of black people.

"The Mobo organisers should withdraw these nominations immediately, and apologise to the gay community for their collusion with these entertainers' homophobic abuse and threats."

The record companies representing the artists were unavailable for comment, but Beenie Man has reportedly apologised for some of his past comments.


Watch a clip of Beenie Man on Top of the Pops
A Mobo spokeswoman said the artists would not travel to London for the award ceremony on 25 September.

A statement from the Mobos said they denied "all claims of homophobia" and they were "totally appalled" at any discrimination.

'Street level'

"Any attempt to tamper with and make judgements on the various artists that are nominated by the UK recording industry would be tantamount to censorship," it said.

"Musicians and artists have always reflected the feelings of the wider community they come from, regardless of whether or not everyone wants to hear what is being said on a street level."

If artists sang about situations they saw around them, it did not necessarily mean they held those views, the statement said.

Beenie Man is the best-known of the trio, with four top 20 singles in the UK.

Meanwhile, rap superstar 50 Cent - who is not among those accused - has been confirmed as one of the performers at the awards ceremony, to take place at the Royal Albert Hall.

Event organiser Kanya King told BBC 6 Music the rapper had enjoyed a "phenomenal year", in an interview with the station's Tom Robinson to be broadcast next week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3120096.stm

[Martin Red]

2 October 2002

Entertainment / Music / Jamaican Dancehall

Mobo awards marred by anti-gay violence
Gay protesters assaulted by screaming homophobic mob
By OutRage! News Service

A screaming homophobic mob attacked Peter Tatchell and threatened to kill other members of the gay rights group OutRage! outside the MOBO (Music Of Black Origin) Awards Ceremony at the London Arena from 6pm tonight, Tuesday 1 October 2002.
Yelling “Kill the batty boys” and “Kill chi chi men” (Jamaican slang abuse for queer), 25 mostly black teenage music fans kicked, punched, spat on and hurled beer cans, coins and cigarette lighters at Tatchell after he held up a placard with the words “MOBO rewards anti-gay hate”.
The placard referred to the fact that reggae stars Elephant Man, TOK and Capleton had been nominated as ‘Best Reggae Act’ at the MOBO Awards - despite their history of violent homophobic lyrics that advocate the murder of gay people.
Other members of OutRage! displayed placards emblazoned with the slogans: “Black singers! Stop bashing gays!” and “MOBO = Music Of Bigoted Origin”. They were also subjected to homophobic abuse and threatened with assault.
Fearing further attacks from a crowd of 250 black music fans, OutRage! were forced to abandon their peaceful protest and had to be escorted out of the area by police.
“The collective homophobic hysteria was absolutely terrifying,” said Mr Tatchell. “It was like what white racists did to the black civil rights marchers in the Deep South during the 1960s. For a moment, I was in fear of my life. The hatred in those young people's eyes was frightening. Some of them looked like they would kill me if they had the chance.”
“It is time more black community leaders spoke out louder against the violent homophobic attitudes of sections of black youth. Their silence means that anti-gay hatred in the black community often passes unchallenged. The prime victims are black lesbians and gay men.”
Mobo organisers condemned for “rewarding bigotry”
Singers urging “kill gays” win nomination as ‘Best Reggae Act’
OutRage! believes that the MOBO nominations of Elephant Man, TOK and Capleton, is tantamount to rewarding bigotry. “It is the moral equivalent of the Brit Awards nominating a racist entertainer who incites the killing of black people”, said Peter Tatchell, a spokesperson for the group.
“I urge black community leaders to speak out against artists who incite homophobic hatred and violence. It is appalling for members of one minority to attack members of another minority. We should stand together united against all forms of prejudice and discrimination.
“These vocal bigots are fuelling anti-gay hatred and queer-bashing violence,” he added
Even if these singers are not being nominated for homophobic tracks, OutRage! is concerned that their nomination signals that the MOBO organisers believe anti-gay performers are acceptable in black music.
Perhaps partly because of OutRage!’s campaign or the gay sympathies of most MOBO voters, none of the three homophobic singers won a MOBO Award. In their category, ‘Best Reggae Act’, the winner was Sean Paul.

Most recent articles on this topic:
Police say reggae hate is a crime 10 November 2003
MOBO nominees face arrest 18 September 2003
Prosecution of reggae artists who incite homophobic assaults and murder 18 September 2003

Previous articles on this topic:
MOBO Awards picketed by gays tonight 30 September 2002
BBC uses homophobic track in TV adverts 20 September 2002
Fan burns Janet Jackson CDs 3 September 2002
Homophobic song stays on BBC website 30 August 2002
BBC 'Grateful' to OutRage! 29 August 2002


http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=169

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Police study 'anti-gay' reggae claims

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39353000/jpg/_39353586_beenie_203.jpg
Beenie Man is one of the world's biggest reggae stars


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3120096.stm So the above article is from BBC....now read below


BBC uses homophobic track in TV adverts
Track condemned by OutRage! resurfaces in TV advertising campaign

By OutRage! News Service

The BBC’s advertising campaign for their new Black Music Station – 1Xtra – includes a clip from the song “Chi Chi Man” by Jamaican band TOK. The song is one of the tracks involved in a controversy earlier this month which prompted an apology from the public broadcaster.
Listeners are encouraged to “see if you can guess all the tracks” in a related promo for the advert on the 1Xtra website.
“Normally it might be debatable whether a music clip could be construed a ‘offensive’ on its own” said Brett Lock, a spokesperson for OutRage! “but in the context of 1Xtra challenging the audience to identify the tunes, it is a whole different ball-game. They are inviting people to go and seek out the music. By selecting the track for use in their advert, they are giving it a special endorsement. This is unacceptable.”
Even though it is the first track featured in the advert, the BBC station has tried to downplay its presence in the advert by excluding it from the “solutions” list on their website. On the list revealing the tracks, only 19 of the 20 tracks titles appear. TOK’s “Chi Chi Man” does not appear in spite of it being the first clip featured.
The lyrics glorify the shooting of gay men (chi chi men) and setting them on fire. It also appears to suggest attacks on gay bars.
“It is outrageous that these artists are being actively promoted by the BBC. Bands expressing racist or anti-Semitic sentiments would never be tolerated, but it seems that antigay hate-speech is the last form of acceptable bigotry. We are shocked and angry that the BBC does not seem to be willing to take the issue seriously” said Lock.
OutRage! calls on the BBC to pull the advert and remove the online campaign that challenges listeners to identify the tune “if they are serious about eliminating homophobic hate-speech from the UK’s airwaves”.
Further Information:
Email: media@outrage.nabumedia.com
Web: http://www.outrage.org.uk
Post: P.O. Box 17816, London. SW14 8WT

Relevant Links:
BBC: Caught the 1Xtra TV ad yet?
BBC 1Xtra Website

http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=167

[Julien Hulk]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
guess dancehall guys need to make themselves feel better, too. graemlins/conf44.gif

"Don't let them fool ya,
Or even try to school ya! Oh, no!
We've got a mind of our own,
So go to hell if what you're thinking is not right!
Love would never leave us alone,
A - yin the darkness there must come out to light.

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too,
So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you)
Love your brotherman!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)

Don't let them change ya, oh!
Or even rearrange ya! Oh, no!
We've got a life to live.
They say: only - only -
Only the fittest of the fittest shall survive -
Stay alive! Eh!

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

(You ain't gonna miss your water until your well runs dry;
No matter how you treat him, the man will never be satisfied. )
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! (Say something!)
Say something! Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Uh!
Say something! Come on!
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)"

-Robert Nesta Marley- Sorry... but my english is not perfect (I'm french) but I don't understand why you quote this one. Is it a homophobic song???

[Bobby]

“The collective homophobic hysteria was absolutely terrifying,” said Mr Tatchell. “It was like what white racists did to the black civil rights marchers in the Deep South during the 1960s.


What an insult to black people. I wish these people would stop trying to compare their so-called "struggle" because they choose to live a certain way to what black people had to fight for.

[Drrtynewyork]

anti gay has always existed in dancehall...

"romp a pom pom pomp, rude bwoy no promote no batty man"

jigsy king!

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Bobby:
“The collective homophobic hysteria was absolutely terrifying,” said Mr Tatchell. “It was like what white racists did to the black civil rights marchers in the Deep South during the 1960s.


What an insult to black people. I wish these people would stop trying to compare their so-called "struggle" because they choose to live a certain way to what black people had to fight for. Supposing you are correct, and homosexuality is a choice, why does that make the comparison invalid? If your lifestyle is a choice then you thereby invalidate any claim to civil rights concerning that choice? You'll have to explain that one to me.

[Bobby]

We don't have a choice in being black, we were being discrimated against because of that. Homos choose to live a strange lifestyle, tell the whole world about it, then scream civil right violations, discrimation, hate, blah,blah,blah when nobody wants to except it.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Bobby:
We don't have a choice in being black, we were being discrimated against because of that. Homos choose to live a strange lifestyle, tell the whole world about it, then scream civil right violations, discrimation, hate, blah,blah,blah when nobody wants to except it. My little brother likes rugby. I think that's strange. There are all kinds of religious people that I find very strange. I don't see that their civil rights should be denied, or they should be discriminated against, and I don't see why their choices should disqualify them from what everyone else has. Enlighten me.

[Bobby]

Ask buddah to "enlighten" you I've already made my point.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Ask buddah to "enlighten" you I've already made my point. Maybe, but it didn't answer the question.

[Bobby]

Here's a thought, if they would quit prancing around and telling everyone "I'm gay! I'm gay!" and keep their fetishes in private, they would be amazed of actually how little so-called discrimination they face. You make a choice to live a certain way, good or bad, you gots to deal with it.

[alex zen]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Here's a thought, if they would quit prancing around and telling everyone "I'm gay! I'm gay!" and keep their fetishes in private, they would be amazed of actually how little so-called discrimination they face. You make a choice to live a certain way, good or bad, you gots to deal with it. you make me sick. deal with it.

[Moksha]

Bobby. . .you do know that you are on house music site, right?

[Friday]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Here's a thought, if they would quit prancing around and telling everyone "I'm gay! I'm gay!" and keep their fetishes in private, they would be amazed of actually how little so-called discrimination they face. You make a choice to live a certain way, good or bad, you gots to deal with it. May I ask what belief system you use which requires you to hate, ridicule and judge others you deem so different?

[Bobby]

I like House music, certain elements in it I don't like, I also like rap music and there are certain elements in it I don't like.

[erd]

Originally posted by Bobby:
We don't have a choice in being black, we were being discrimated against because of that. Homos choose to live a strange lifestyle, tell the whole world about it, then scream civil right violations, discrimation, hate, blah,blah,blah when nobody wants to except it. Post of the month!
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Peace.

Gerd

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Bobby:
I like House music, certain elements in it I don't like, I also like rap music and there are certain elements in it I don't like. you wouldn't be here without gay peeps "prancing around" and saying "i'm gay, I'm gay."

BTW—check the medical news, homosexuality and genetics look to be linked.

[Bobby]

there will always be dance music with or without people declaring their "lifestyle"

[Friday]

Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them?

Also, you never answered my earlier question.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by gf:
Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them?

Also, you never answered my earlier question. I was just looking through some of Bobby's previous - was that the one about needing a big dick up his ass? graemlins/rofl.gif

[Bobby]

Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them? I was born in the Bay Area so I've been exposed to that lifestyle met many people living that lifestyle, and my belief system is based on knowing right from wrong, good from evil, and normal from perversion.

[Friday]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gf:
Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them?

Also, you never answered my earlier question. I was just looking through some of Bobby's previous - was that the one about needing a big dick up his ass? graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]OMG! I forgot about that :eek: , I suppose this is the same Bobby? I suppose I should ask forgiveness for my rudness.
Anyhow the one thing I cannot stand and am trying to learn patience quick, is ignorant people. If one is going to allow fear to run their life, keep it to yourself. Bobby have some courage, goodness sake.

[Friday]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them? I was born in the Bay Area so I've been exposed to that lifestyle met many people living that lifestyle, and my belief system is based on knowing right from wrong, good from evil, and normal from perversion. </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, but who is to say what is right or wrong, good or bad, normal or perversion? Unless something happened to you, I am really trying to understand your point of view.

[Bobby]

If one is going to allow fear to run their life, keep it to yourself. Bobby have some courage, goodness sake.
Believe me I am not afraid of gay folk.

[Friday]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> If one is going to allow fear to run their life, keep it to yourself. Bobby have some courage, goodness sake.
Believe me I am not afraid of gay folk. </font>[/QUOTE]I am not talking about your fear of gay folk, I am talking about your fear inside of you that allows you to hate and judge.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Bobby, where did you come up with this idea that this "lifestyle" was a choice and do you know any people who partake in this "lifestyle", have you talked to them? I was born in the Bay Area so I've been exposed to that lifestyle met many people living that lifestyle, and my belief system is based on knowing right from wrong, good from evil, and normal from perversion. </font>[/QUOTE]So what exactly IS right and wrong, good or evil, and what would be considered normal vs. perverted in your opinion??......JMJ

[Bobby]

My whole point is I am sick and tired of hearing gay folk comparing their problems, which they bring on themselves to what black folk had to go through back in the day. It's totally different it's a slap in the face. Soon everyone one else with a fetish will start comparing themslves to the civil rights fighters

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Bobby:
My whole point is I am sick and tired of hearing gay folk comparing their problems, which they bring on themselves to what black folk had to go through back in the day. It's totally different it's a slap in the face. Soon everyone one else with a fetish will start comparing themslves to the civil rights fighters So homosexuality is a fetish??......JMJ

[Friday]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
My whole point is I am sick and tired of hearing gay folk comparing their problems, which they bring on themselves to what black folk had to go through back in the day. It's totally different it's a slap in the face. Soon everyone one else with a fetish will start comparing themslves to the civil rights fighters So homosexuality is a fetish??......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]It would seem so now

[Brian]

bobby i can tell you with certainty that homosexuality is no more a choice than being straight is.

sexual polarity is definitely not arbitrary.

[Monny JcIntosh]

It doesn't matter if homosexuality is a choice or not.

[JMJ]

Bobby - Answer my questions.......JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Bobby]

Bobby - Answer my questions.......JMJ I think you already know.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
It doesn't matter if homosexuality is a choice or not. yes, it does. understanding that it's not a choice means that gay people can be viewed as the totally ordinary people that they are .. and not confused as a group of sexual hobbyists with a particular focus on denying/inverting natural instincts.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Bobby - Answer my questions.......JMJ I think you already know. </font>[/QUOTE]No, but I'd like to know. Please be kind enough to answer.....JMJ

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Brian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
It doesn't matter if homosexuality is a choice or not. yes, it does. understanding that it's not a choice means that gay people can be viewed as the totally ordinary people that they are .. and not confused as a group of sexual hobbyists with a particular focus on denying/inverting natural instincts. </font>[/QUOTE]Presuming those "natural instincts". Take that norm and fast forward to the discovery of the genetic coding: "now it's a choice, go get your gene therapy". Maybe that's all founded on a category mistake. Maybe Bobby's 'lifestyle choice' logic betrays a prejudice whatever the science. "Why the prejudice?" is a far more interesting question, morally speaking.

[assholes delight]

Originally posted by Bobby:
My whole point is I am sick and tired of hearing gay folk comparing their problems, which they bring on themselves to what black folk had to go through back in the day. It's totally different it's a slap in the face. Soon everyone one else with a fetish will start comparing themslves to the civil rights fighters I wasn't around in the early 70's when civil rights groups merged with advocacy groups (including gay rights groups), but hey, maybe you were. You may have been too ignorant to research this so just let your point sink like the stones that gather among all your previous arguments.
Also how does your argument relate to the songs advocacy of murder to gay folks? CAN YOU CONNECT?

[imported_Gman]

Didn't you guys already go thru this with Bobby ?


Thread Topic: "Same Sex Marriages"
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[ November 29, 2003, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: Gman ]