View Full Version : Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops
C hristian
12-22-2003, 11:57 AM
Sat Dec 20,11:00 PM ET
LONDON, (AFP) - Saddam Hussein (news- web sites) was captured by US troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British Sunday newspaper said.
Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the al-Jabour tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son Uday, leading to a blood feud, reported the Sunday Express, which quoted an unnamed senior British military intelligence officer.
The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13 near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq (news- web sites), "exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete".
A former Iraqi intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, told the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside US forces during the Iraq war, until he negotiated a deal.
The deal apparently involved the group gaining political advantage in the region.
An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East told the Express: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."
Cheddar
12-22-2003, 12:01 PM
I can understand when some of the alternate sources say that the heightened alert here in the US is a smokescreen to hide this accusation.
D J 1 3 8
12-22-2003, 12:07 PM
Can you post a link to this news article? Thanks.
December 14, 2003, 6:55 PM (GMT+02:00)
A number of questions are raised by the incredibly bedraggled, tired and crushed condition of this once savage, dapper and pampered ruler who was discovered in a hole in the ground on Saturday, December 13:
1. The length and state of his hair indicated he had not seen a barber or even had a shampoo for several weeks.
2. The wild state of his beard indicated he had not shaved for the same period
3. The hole dug in the floor of a cellar in a farm compound near Tikrit was primitive indeed – 6ft across and 8ft across with minimal sanitary arrangements - a far cry from his opulent palaces.
4. Saddam looked beaten and hungry.
5. Detained trying to escape were two unidentified men. Left with him were two AK-47 assault guns and a pistol, none of which were used.
6. The hole had only one opening. It was not only camouflaged with mud and bricks – it was blocked. He could not have climbed out without someone on the outside removing the covering.
7. And most important, $750,000 in 100-dollar notes were found with him (a pittance for his captors who expected a $25m reward)– but no communications equipment of any kind, whether cell phone or even a carrier pigeon for contacting the outside world.
According to DEBKAfile analysts, these seven anomalies point to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein was not in hiding; he was a prisoner.
After his last audiotaped message was delivered and aired over al Arabiya TV on Sunday November 16, on the occasion of Ramadan, Saddam was seized, possibly with the connivance of his own men, and held in that hole in Adwar for three weeks or more, which would have accounted for his appearance and condition. Meanwhile, his captors bargained for the $25 m prize the Americans promised for information leading to his capture alive or dead. The negotiations were mediated by Jalal Talabani’s Kurdish PUK militia.
These circumstances would explain the ex-ruler’s docility – described by Lt.Gen. Ricardo Sanchez as “resignation” – in the face of his capture by US forces. He must have regarded them as his rescuers and would have greeted them with relief.
From Gen. Sanchez’s evasive answers to questions on the $25m bounty, it may be inferred that the Americans and Kurds took advantage of the negotiations with Saddam’s abductors to move in close and capture him on their own account, for three reasons:
A. His capture had become a matter of national pride for the Americans. No kudos would have been attached to his handover by a local gang of bounty-seekers or criminals. The country would have been swept anew with rumors that the big hero Saddam was again betrayed by the people he trusted, just as in the war.
B. It was vital to catch his kidnappers unawares so as to make sure Saddam was taken alive. They might well have killed him and demanded the prize for his body. But they made sure he had no means of taking his own life and may have kept him sedated.
C. During the weeks he is presumed to have been in captivity, guerrilla activity declined markedly – especially in the Sunni Triangle towns of Falluja, Ramadi and Balad - while surging outside this flashpoint region – in Mosul in the north and Najef, Nasseriya and Hilla in the south. It was important for the coalition to lay hands on him before the epicenter of the violence turned back towards Baghdad and the center of the Sunni Triangle.
The next thing to watch now is not just where and when Saddam is brought to justice for countless crimes against his people and humanity - Sanchez said his interrogation will take “as long as it takes – but what happens to the insurgency. Will it escalate or gradually die down?
An answer to this, according to DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources, was received in Washington nine days before Saddam reached US custody.
It came in the form of a disturbing piece of intelligence that the notorious Lebanese terrorist and hostage-taker Imad Mughniyeh, who figures on the most wanted list of 22 men published by the FBI after 9/11, had arrived in southern Iraq and was organizing a new anti-US terror campaign to be launched in March-April 2004, marking the first year of the American invasion.
For the past 21 years, Mughniyeh has waged a war of terror against Americans, whether on behalf of the Hizballah, the Iranian Shiite fundamentalists, al Qaeda or for himself. The Lebanese arch-terrorist represents for the anti-American forces in Iraq an ultimate weapon.
Saddam’s capture will not turn this offensive aside; it may even bring it forward.
For Israel, there are three lessons to be drawn from the dramatic turn of events in Iraq:
First, An enemy must be pursued to the end and if necessary taken captive. The Sharon government’s conduct of an uncertain, wavering war against the Palestinian terror chief Yasser Arafat stands in stark contrast to the way the Americans have fought Saddam and his cohorts in Iraq and which has brought them impressive gains.
Second, Israel must join the US in bracing for the decisive round of violence under preparation by Mughniyeh, an old common enemy from the days of Beirut in the 1980s. Only three weeks ago, DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal, the terrorist mastermind himself was seen in south Lebanon in surveillance of northern Israel in the company of Iranian military officers. With this peril still to be fought, it is meaningless for Israelis to dicker over the Geneva Accord, unilateral steps around the Middle East road map, or even the defensive barrier.
Third, Certain Israeli pundits and even politicians, influenced by opinion in Europe, declared frequently in recent weeks that the Americans had no hope of capturing Saddam Hussein and were therefore bogged down irretrievably in Iraq. The inference was that the Americans erred in embarking on an unwinnable war in Iraq.
This was wide of the mark even before Saddam was brought in. The Americans are in firm control - even though they face a tough new adversary – and the whole purpose of the defeatist argument heard in Israel was to persuade the Sharon government that its position in relation to the Palestinians and Yasser Arafat is as hopeless as that of the Americans in Iraq. Israel’s only choice, according to this argument, is to knuckle under to Palestinian demands and give them what they want. Now that the Iraqi ruler is in American custody, they will have to think again.
b14 December
Commander of US ground forces in Iraq, Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, said at the dramatic news conference in Baghdad (Bremer: We Got him!), that Saddam Hussein was discovered in a “spider hole” 6-8ft deep behind a mud hut in a walled farm compound in Adwar, a town 15 km from Tikrit, eight months after his regime was toppled.
His capture was achieved without a shot fired and no injuries. He was emaciated, tired and unkempt and had grown a gray beard. The initial medical examination was videotaped and aired. He was then shaved for identification. Found with him were two AK-47 assault rifles and $750,000. Two associates were detained with him. A ventilator enabled them to stay underground. The hole in which Saddam was hiding was camouflaged with bricks and dirt.
Operation “Red Dawn” was carried by 4th Infantry Division and coalition special forces – 600 men. It was made possible by a great deal of human intelligence and the interrogation of captives.
Gen. Sanchez reported the deposed Iraqi ruler, discovered Saturday, December 13, at 8.30 pm local time, showed no resistance and appeared resigned to his fate. He was “talkative and cooperative” while being taken to a secure place. The interrogation will “take as long as it takes.”
US administrator Paul Bremer called on the Iraqi people to turn to reconciliation and Saddam’s followers to lay down their arms.
US troops poured into Baghdad and blocked the road-bridges into the capital as soon as word spread, in anticipation of violence from Saddam fedayeen or foreign terrorists fighting the US-led coalition presence. Baghdadis fired guns in the air to celebrate the capture of the man who ruled the country with an iron fist for 23 years. Kurdish and Shiite towns filled with dancing and jubilation. Iraq officials demand Saddam be handed over to the new Iraqi war crimes tribunal to be judged for the murder of 300,000 Iraqis
alphabet_city_design
12-22-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by DJ 138:
Can you post a link to this news article? Thanks. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&u=/afp/iraq_saddam_britain&printer=1
E-Phi
12-22-2003, 12:54 PM
I figured there was more to his being captured by our forces that wouldn't make OUR news. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
D J 1 3 8
12-22-2003, 01:38 PM
I've been looking for coroboration of this story in the media and have found nothing. That doesn't make it untrue, but neither does that yahoo news story make it true. We shall see (hopefully).
spdracer555
12-22-2003, 01:41 PM
damn.
E-Phi
12-22-2003, 02:30 PM
from Sunday Herald article #38816 (http://www.sundayherald.com/38816) :
Revealed: who really found Saddam?
Saddam’s capture was the best present George Bush could have hoped for, and then Gaddafi handed a propaganda gift to Blair. But nothing’s ever that simple
By Foreign Editor David Pratt
It was exactly one week ago at 3.15pm Baghdad time, when a beaming Paul Bremer made that now-famous announce ment: “Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!”
Saddam Hussein: High Value Target Number One. The Glorious Leader. The Lion of Babylon had been snared. Iraq’s most wanted – the ace of spades – had become little more than an ace in the hole.
In Baghdad’s streets, Kalashnikov bullets rained down in celebration. In the billets of US soldiers, there were high fives, toasts and cigars. In the Jordanian capital Amman, an elderly woman overcome by grief broke down in tears and died. Inside a snow-blanketed White House, George W Bush prepared to address the nation.
“There’s an end to everything,” said a sombre Safa Saber al-Douri, a former Iraqi air force pilot, now a grocer in al-Dwar, the town where only hours earlier one of the greatest manhunts in history had ended under a polystyrene hatch in a six foot deep “spider hole.”
But just how did that endgame come about? Indeed, who exactly were the key players in what until then had been a frustrating and sometimes embarrassing hunt for a former dictator with a $25 million (£14m) bounty on his head?
For 249 days there was no shortage of US expertise devoted to the hunt. But the Pentagon has always remained tight-lipped about those individuals and groups involved, such as Task Force 20, said to be America’s most elite covert unit, or another super-secret team known as Greyfox, which specialises in radio and telephone surveillance.
Saddam, of course, was never likely to use the phone, and the best chance of locating him would always be as a result of informers or home-grown Iraqi intelligence. On this and their collaboration with anti-Saddam groups the Americans have also remained reticent.
Enter one Qusrat Rasul Ali, otherwise known as the lion of Kurdistan. A leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), Rasul Ali was once tortured by Saddam’s henchmen, but today is chief of a special forces unit dedicated to hunting down former Ba’athist regime leaders.
Rasul Ali’s unit had an impressive track record. It was they who last August, working alone, arrested Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan in Mosul, northern Iraq. Barely a month earlier in the al-Falah district of the same town, the PUK is believed to have played a crucial role in the pinpointing and storming of a villa that culminated in the deaths of Saddam’s sons Uday and Qusay.
In that mixed district of Mosul where Arabs, Kurds and Turkemen live side by side, PUK informers went running to their leader Jalal Talabani’s nearest military headquarters to bring him news on the exact location of the villa where both Uday and Qusay had taken shelter.
Armed with the information, Talabani made a beeline for US administration offices in Baghdad, where deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz was based for a week’s stay in Iraq at the time.
The Kurdish leader and US military chiefs conferred and decided that PUK intelligence would go ahead and secretly surround the Zeidan villa and install sensors and eavesdropping devices. The Kurdish agents were instructed to prepare the site for the US special forces operation to storm the building on July 22.
American officials later said they expected that the $30m bounty promised by their government for the capture or death of the Hussein sons would be paid. Given their direct involvement in providing the exact location and intelligence necessary, no doubt Talabani’s PUK operatives could lay claim to the sum, but no confirmation of any delivery or receipt of the cash has ever been made.
The PUK and Rasul Ali’s special “Ba’athist hunters” have, it seems, been doing what the Americans have consistently failed to do. In an interview with the PUK’s al-Hurriyah radio station last Wednesday, Adil Murad, a member of the PUK’s political bureau, confirmed that the Kurdish unit had been pursuing fugitive Ba’athists for the past months in Mosul, Samarra, Tikrit and areas to the south including al-Dwar where Saddam was eventually cornered. Murad even says that the day before Saddam’s capture he was tipped off by PUK General Thamir al-Sultan, that Saddam would be arrested within the next 72 hours.
Clearly the Kurdish net was closing on Saddam, and PUK head Jalal Talabani and Rasul Ali were once again in the running for US bounty – should any be going.
It was at about 10.50am Baghdad time on last Saturday when US intel ligence says it got the tip it was looking for. But it was not until 8pm, with the launch of Operation Red Dawn, that they finally began to close in on the prize.
The US media reported that the tip-off came from an Iraqi man who was arrested during a raid in Tikrit, and even speculated that he could get part of the bounty. “It was intelligence, actionable intelligence,” claimed Lt General Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition ground forces in Iraq. “It was great analytical work.”
But the widely held view that Kurdish intelligence was the key to the operation was supported in a statement released last Sunday by the Iraqi Governing Council. Ahmed Chalabi, leader of the Iraqi National Congress, said that Rasul Ali and his PUK special forces unit had provided vital information and more.
Last Saturday, as the US operation picked up speed, the Fourth Infantry Division moved into the area surrounding two farms codenamed Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2 near al-Dwar, the heart of the Saddam heartland – a military town where practically every man is a military officer past or present. It is said to have a special place in Saddam’s sentiments because it was from here that he swam across the Tigris River when he was a dissident fleeing arrest in the 1960s.
Every year on August 28, the town marks Saddam’s escape with a swimming contest . In 1992, Saddam himself attended the race. It was won by a man called Qais al-Nameq. It was al-Nameq’s farmhouse – Wolverine 2 – that about 600 troops, including engineers, artillery and special forces, surrounded, cutting off all roads for about four or five miles around.
Next to a sheep pen was a ramshackle orange and white taxi, which US officials say was probably used to ferry Saddam around while he was on the run, sometimes moving every three or four hours.
Inside the premises was a walled compound with a mud hut and small lean-to. There US soldiers found the camouflaged hole in which Saddam was hiding.
It was 3.15pm Washington time when Donald Rumsfeld called George W Bush at Camp David. “Mr President, first reports are not always accurate,” he began. “But we think we may have him.”
First reports – indeed the very first report of Saddam’s capture – were also coming out elsewhere. Jalal Talabani chose to leak the news and details of Rasul Ali’s role in the deployment to the Iranian media and to be interviewed by them.
By early Sunday – way before Saddam’s capture was being reported by the mainstream Western press – the Kurdish media ran the following news wire:
“Saddam Hussein, the former President of the Iraqi regime, was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace. Qusrat’s team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!”
By the time Western press agencies were running the same story, the emphasis had changed, and the ousted Iraqi president had been “captured in a raid by US forces backed by Kurdish fighters.”
Rasul Ali himself, meanwhile, had already been on air at the Iranian satellite station al-Alam insisting that his “PUK fighters sealed the area off before the arrival of the US forces”.
By late Sunday as the story went global, the Kurdish role was reduced to a supportive one in what was described by the Pentagon and US military officials as a “joint operation”. The Americans now somewhat reluctantly were admitting that PUK fighters were on the ground alongside them , while PUK sources were making more considered statements and playing down their precise role.
So just who did get to Saddam first, the Kurds or the Americans? And if indeed it was a joint operation would it have been possible at all without the intelligence and on-the-ground participation of Rasul Ali and his special forces?
If the PUK themselves pulled off Saddam’s capture, there would be much to gain from taking the $25m bounty and any political guarantees the Americans might reward them with to keep schtum. What’s more, Jalal Talabani’s links to Tehran have always worried Washington, and having his party grab the grand prize from beneath their noses would be awkward to say the least.
“It’s mutually worth it to us and the Americans. We need assurances for the future and they need the kudos of getting Saddam,” admitted a Kurdish source on condition of anonymity. It would be all to easy to dismiss the questions surrounding the PUK role as conspiracy theory. After all, almost every major event that affects the Arab world prompts tales that are quickly woven into intricate shapes and patterns, to demonstrate innocence, seek credit or apportion blame. Saddam’s capture is no exception.
Of the numerous and more exotic theories surrounding events leading to Saddam’s arrest, one originates on a website many believe edited by former Israeli intelligence agents, but which often turns up inside information about the Middle East that proves to be accurate.
According to Debka.com, there is a possibility that Saddam was held for up to three weeks in al-Dwar by a Kurdish splinter group while they negotiated a handover to the Americans in return for the $25m reward. This, the writers say would explain his dishevelled and disorientated appearance.
But perhaps the mother of all conspiracy theories, is the one about the pictures distributed by the Americans showing the hideout with a palm tree behind the soldier who uncov ered the hole where Saddam was hiding. The palm carried a cluster of pre-ripened yellow dates, which might suggest that Saddam was arrested at least three months earlier, because dates ripen in the summer when they turn into their black or brown colour.
Those who buy into such an explanation conclude that Saddam’s capture was stage-managed and his place of arrest probably elsewhere. All fanciful stuff. But as is so often the case, the real chain of events is likely to be far more mundane.
In the end serious questions remain about the Kurdish role and whether at last Sunday’s Baghdad press conference, Paul Bremer was telling the whole truth . Or is it a case of “ladies and gentlemen we got him,” – with a little more help from our Kurdish friends than might be politically expedient to admit?
21 December 2003
C hristian
12-23-2003, 12:45 AM
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"><p>** <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/21/1071941612613.html" target="_blank">We got him: Kurds say they caught Saddam</a>, McGeogh, Sydney Morning Herald</p>
<p>** <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A1D11E46-3EE1-4DDC-A193-E3233A933275.htm" target="_blank">Saddam: Betrayed, drugged and traded</a> Aljazeera</p>
<p>** <a href="http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13341763" target="_blank">Saddam was captured by Kurds, not US</a> Sify.com</p>
<p>** <a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/38816" target="_blank">Revealed: Who Really Found Saddam?</a> Pratt, Sunday Herald/Scotland</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1014319.htm" target="_blank">Saddam held by Kurds, drugged and left for US troops: report</a> ABC News Online</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8233746%255E2,00.html" target="_blank">Kurds claim Saddam capture</a> News.com.au (12/22/03)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=29224" target="_blank">Kurds Seized Saddam First</a>, Novinite/Bulgaria</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/00321200004.htm" target="_blank">'Revenge for rape behind Saddam capture'</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=266045&lang=e&dir=news" target="_blank">Report: ''Saddam capture - not result of American or British intelligence''</a> Al Bawaba.com</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/breakingnews/view.asp?msgID=4099" target="_blank"> Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops</a> Arab Times/Kuwait</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8233746%255E401,00.html" target="_blank"> Kurds claim Saddam capture</a> The Australian (12/22/03)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8233746%255E401,00.html" target="_blank"> Kurds claim Saddam capture</a> Herald Sun/AU (12/22/03)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_503527,001300180038.htm" target="_blank">Saddam was held by Kurds and left for US troops: Report</a>Hindustan Times (copy of AFP report)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/62977/1/.html" target="_blank"> Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops</a> Channel News Asia (AFP report)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8233746%255E401,00.html" target="_blank"> Kurds claim Saddam capture</a> The Advertiser/AU (12/22/03)</p>
<p>** <a href="http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-12/21/article03.shtml" target="_blank">Kurds, Not U.S. Captured Saddam: Report</a> Islam Online/UK </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=4539" target="_blank">Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops</a> Kurdish Media (AFP report)</p>
<p><br />
<a href="http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/12/21/5773515" target="_blank"> Revealed: Who Really Found Saddam?</a> Infoshop News (Pratt article)</p>
<p><br />
<a href="http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story.php?sid=20031221161318573" target="_blank">Kurds, Not U.S. Captured Saddam: Report</a> Palestinian Chronicle</p>
<p>** <a href="http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=31500" target="_blank">?Kurdish forces nabbed & drugged Saddam?</a> The Statesman/India</p>
<p><a href="http://www.todayonline.com/articles/12080.asp" target="_blank">Kurds nabbed Saddam first?</a> Today Online/Singapore (AFP report)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=77&contentid=1029&page=2" target="_blank">Saddam Captured by Kurds; US Troops Get Photo Opp</a> Conspiracy Planet</p>
<p>Added links<br />
<a href="http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Articles.asp?Article=69721&Sn=WORL" target="_blank">Kurdish fighters 'drugged' tyrant</a> Gulf Daily News/Bahrain</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEL20031222033651&Title=B+R+E+A+K +I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&Topic=285" target="_blank">Saddam hld by Kurds, left for US troops</a> Newind Press/ India</p>
<p><a href="http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/22/content_292365.htm" target="_blank">Saddam was held by Kurdish Forces, drugged and left for US troops</a> China Daily/China</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/12/22/d31222130295.htm" target="_blank">'Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops'</a> Daily Star/India (AFP report)</p>
<p><br />
<a href="http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=1&id=4364" target="_blank">A report has surfaced which, if true, adds some missing details about how Saddam Hussein came to be in his "spider hole"...</a> Morons.org</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20031221014004335" target="_blank">Saddam captured by Kurds (I'm really sure the North-American free press will report this any day now)</a> Vive le Canada</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2003%20Opinion%20Editorials/December/22%20o/The%20Saddam%20Hussein%20Capture,%20A%20Hoax%20By% 20Maisoon%20Rice.htm" target="_blank">The Saddam Hussein Capture, A Hoax?</a> Rice, Al-Jazeera</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/kall1203_bush_duped.htm" target="_blank">Did Kurds Dupe Bush's Brass; or Did Bush Sell Out Iraqis to Kurds as Part of Saddam Handover Deal?</a> Kall, OpEdNews</p>
<p><a href="http://www.republicons.org/view_article.asp?RP_ARTICLE_ID=1058" target="_blank">How was Saddam Really Captured: A Journalistic Review</a> Sorenson, Republicons.org</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00184.htm" target="_blank">Widespread Claims Kurds Got Saddam First</a> Scoop</p>
<p><a href="http://truthout.org/docs_03/122203B.shtml" target="_blank">TruthOut link to AFP release</a></p>
<p><a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20031221/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_saddam_britain_031221040020&e=2" target="_blank">Village Voice link to AFP report</a></p>
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mdpm99
12-23-2003, 08:29 AM
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most interesting!!
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