Which Democrat could beat Bush?

[Jolyon]

Why the **** isn't Hilary running? She'd tan his butt!

[SuzanneT]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Why the **** isn't Hilary running? She'd tan his butt! graemlins/scared.gif Thats a scary thought! Sorry Jolyon, I don't agree, I haven't followed her politics lately but from what i have heard a lot of people, in her state, arent that impressed with her.

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
Why the **** isn't Hilary running? She'd tan his butt! graemlins/scared.gif Thats a scary thought! Sorry Jolyon, I don't agree, I haven't followed her politics lately but from what i have heard a lot of people, in her state, arent that impressed with her. </font>[/QUOTE]I love ya to death Suzanne but i have to dissagree, I think she would make a good president and guess what "She is Smart" cant say that about Mr. Bush :eek:

[Moksha]

no dem can beat bush

[mdpm99]

Too early to tell.....BUTT the country is basically still divided 50-50.

If I were to vote today and Hillary was running....she would have my vote. I slept better when Clinton was in office.

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[der geile hund]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush I disagree. I sense the tide is turning. It seems like anyone who can campaign well should be able to beat Bush (or does that rule out all Dems?!)- there's an endless amount of ammunition for use against the SOB.

Or am I just an optimist because I geek out on news web sites all day?

[JMJ]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Too early to tell.....BUTT the country is basically still divided 50-50.

If I were to vote today and Hillary was running....she would have my vote. I slept better when Clinton was in office.

d So did he......JMJ graemlins/bolt.gif

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush he will beat himself....the only dem that would make it interested, and maybe win, is Al Gore....

[JL]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush I disagree. I sense the tide is turning. It seems like anyone who can campaign well should be able to beat Bush (or does that rule out all Dems?!)- there's an endless amount of ammunition for use against the SOB.

Or am I just an optimist because I geek out on news web sites all day? </font>[/QUOTE]I agree, and Dean has displayed that thus far. His "not a politician" politician style is a turn on, and the rather strange assortment of views, (feels gun control is a states issue, while supporting gay civil unions) should hold appeal to the middle. He's also been the most outspoken critic of Bush, and if he can get his temper under control and refine his views, he should be gold.

Hillary couldn't run this time around, it's too close to the scandals that marked Bill's presidency. She also told her constituents she would serve her term. She's also made amazing strides as Freshman Senator. She has my vote whenever she runs.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush he will beat himself...</font>[/QUOTE]That's the only way he'll lose.

Lets face it people: The American public LOVES this president.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush he will beat himself...</font>[/QUOTE]That's the only way he'll lose.

Lets face it people: The American public LOVES this president. </font>[/QUOTE]That's what these so called polls want us to think...it can't be true...or is most Americans that dumb?...damn...

[JL]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
or is most Americans that dumb?...damn... hahahaha, the irony of this particular grammatical error is ****ing hilarious. The only pollster that I trust is Richard Morin of the Post. Bush Version 1.0 called him "an evil man" because he reported statistics accurately, but against Bush.

[der geile hund]

His support in the polls is falling daily ... already something like 5-10 points below Clinton's at the height of the impeachment sham.

[Moksha]

60% apporoval is more than enough for re-election, though.

[der geile hund]

Well, polls now say he wouldn't get elected against an unnamed Democrat. It's when they start naming Democrats that the numbers go in his favor.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

This was the topic of discussion on CNN yesterday afternoon.

We have a few democratic hopefuls that supported the war in Iraq and are trying to save face as a result of the outcome of this war. Some have retracted their statements about the reasoning for going into Iraq and now with the scandle of Bush's State of the Union Speech, they're digging for water.

What's going to be the primary agenda for this campaign?

Homeland Security

The Economy

Health Care

Education


It's gonna be a tough decision.

Peace

[domodisco]

Dean is the ONLY democrat who has a chance against Bush, and his chances are getting stronger each day. More and more families of folks in the military are wondering why if our 'Mission [is] Accomplished' GIs are getting killed every day. Plus the stonewalling on the 9/11 investigation (with all of the stuff they won't release due to 'national security' concerns), so we're beginning to see a lot of pissed off families of firefighters and policemen.

Dean is the only democrat who speaks from actual opinion and conviction instead of poll driven, focus grouped 'positions'. Kerry will be seen by much of America (and the media will sure reinforce this) as too much of a rich Yankee, Lieberman has NO chance, Sharpton has no chance, Gephardt has no chance, Edwards is too young and a trial lawyer to boot, Bob Graham doesn't have enough national name recognition. I am becoming increasingly convinced that if he keeps his nerve, and barring any sensationalist stories or a mysterious small-plane crash, that Dean can win...

[ July 17, 2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: domodisco ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by domodisco:
Dean is the ONLY democrat who has a chance against Bush, and his chances are getting stronger each day. More and more families of folks in the military are wondering why if our 'Mission [is] Accomplished' GIs are getting killed every day. Plus the stonewalling on the 9/11 investigation (with all of the stuff they won't release due to 'national security' concerns), so we're beginning to see a lot of pissed off families of firefighters and policemen.

Dean is the only democrat who speaks from actual opinion and conviction instead of poll driven, focus grouped 'positions'. Kerry will be seen by much of America (and the media will sure reinforce this) as too much of a rich Yankee, Lieberman has NO chance, Sharpton has no chance, Gephardt has no chance, Edwards is too young and a trial lawyer to boot, Bob Graham doesn't have enough national name recognition. I am becoming increasingly convinced that if he keeps his nerve, and barring any sensationalist stories or a mysterious small-plane crash, that Dean can win... I like Dean....but "liberal" is still a dirty word in most places in this country.

[der geile hund]

General Wesley Clark is also flirting with running, he might be a good VP to campaign with. But then again, the Bush team won an election against a Senator who lost like 2 or 3 limbs in Vietnam by labelling him "unpatriotic".

[yodvibes]

Watching some of those wack Sunday Moring shows, Dean most definitely has my vote and I'll push people around me too as well.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
General Wesley Clark is also flirting with running, he might be a good VP to campaign with. But then again, the Bush team won an election against a Senator who lost like 2 or 3 limbs in Vietnam by labelling him "unpatriotic". ain't that a bitch!! plus, remember, he didn't win....

[Moksha]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
General Wesley Clark is also flirting with running, he might be a good VP to campaign with. He might also be aq VERY good presidential candidate.

click here for Clark story (http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2003/030801_mfe_clark_1.html)

[domodisco]

[/qb][/QUOTE]I like Dean....but "liberal" is still a dirty word in most places in this country. [/QB][/QUOTE]
True, but in the states that will eventually decide the race, IE the "red states", his positions on states rights, gun control etc. and will be a major selling point.

I think that if pressed, many people will espouse opinions that are classicly 'liberal'. The problem is that the right (through the 'liberal media') has taken over the definition of liberal, making it that dirty word. Bush resonated with a lot of Americans because he seemed to be a 'regular guy', however deceptive that was, and I think that Dean appears that way as well. He will never say the word liberal. Even on the gay marriage thing he could spin it as a states rights issue...I don't think I am being naive to think that a 'non-pol pol' like Dean can beat Bush. Remember, they said that Bush I was unbeatable, too, and was crushed by a relatively unknown Southern governor...

[JL]

Damn, I didn't even think about Dean picking up Clark as his mate, that should would add the Defense cred that Dean lacks. **** a Bush man, we got him on economy, foreign affairs, lying, all sorts of shit. Dean really isn't a "liberal" either, he's more of a Rockefeller Republican, fiscal conservative, and social progressive on several issues. He's not clear lately about the death penalty, and he supports State's decision on gun control. All in all, like someone else mentioned, he stands for beliefs rather than focus group driven jibberish.

Do more than vote for him if you support him, get all of your friends, active or not, to vote next year and get them as riled up as you are. deanforamerica.com and moveon.org are good places to start.

[Gojay]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Too early to tell.....BUTT the country is basically still divided 50-50.

If I were to vote today and Hillary was running....she would have my vote. I slept better when Clinton was in office.

d graemlins/thumbsup.gif
I slept better too!

But Hil could beat him!

peace'
gojay

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush he will beat himself...</font>[/QUOTE]That's the only way he'll lose.

Lets face it people: The American public LOVES this president. </font>[/QUOTE]That's the tell tale sign, isn't it? Hmmm...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
no dem can beat bush he will beat himself....the only dem that would make it interested, and maybe win, is Al Gore.... </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings liL Ray:

Purhaps they will try to "draft him." Just a thought.

Have a great day!

smile.gif

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[Jolyon]

I've been reading a lot about Dean in the left-leaning papers over here in the UK.

Trust me, many of us Brits would like to see Bush out and and a Dem back in the White House.

Just a thought - if those hanging chads had gone the other way, our own Prime Minister wouldn't be in as much shit as he is now. How he must wish Al Gore had been elected President, then he wouldn't have got dragged into the Iraq disaster - something I am more and more convinced will lead to Blair's resignation before the end of the year.

[TAB.]

The 60% Daddy Bush got in 91 wasn't enough for Daddy Bush in 92. Also seemed to recall that no one really knew Bill Clinton and, like Dean, Clinton was considered a long shot by the conservatives and media.



Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
60% apporoval is more than enough for re-election, though.

[ERICB]

I learned that a field poll was released today that indicated Bush's National approval ratings have dropped dramatically across the board, fueled by the recent news that he misled the American people into a war w/ Iraq.

In California, a state where certain indicators are looked at closely, his approval is down to somewhere like 46%.

American's are finicky. There's ALOT of time between today and November 2004.

Dean can beat him.

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
I've been reading a lot about Dean in the left-leaning papers over here in the UK.

Trust me, many of us Brits would like to see Bush out and and a Dem back in the White House.

Just a thought - if those hanging chads had gone the other way, our own Prime Minister wouldn't be in as much shit as he is now. How he must wish Al Gore had been elected President, then he wouldn't have got dragged into the Iraq disaster - something I am more and more convinced will lead to Blair's resignation before the end of the year. True that and after watching Blair's reception at the House of Representatives yesterday, maybe our own Democrat(@#$%*) should get a green card and move to Capitol Hill once he resigns.

[ July 18, 2003, 03:58 AM: Message edited by: Mah'chew ]

[der geile hund]

First draft of Blair's speech (a bit offensive perhaps):

"America must act as a strong beacon of liberty and freedom throughout the world. But how the hell are you going to do that if you just sit on your asses all the time watching stupid reality dating programs? God, Americans are fat and disgusting! Europe holds you in contempt for good reason."

"Even if we were wrong about Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction--and boy oh boy, were we wrong--it doesn't matter, because we blew some things up and we'll do it again, too. If liberty without death is a vice, then give me virtue."

"Unlike the challenges of the 20th century, which the world did such a great job with, we now face an enemy so unfamiliar, it doesn't wear underwear. It subsists solely on bread and hides in shadows. Its dark tentacles tickle even the sturdiest belly. While I realize my metaphors are going nowhere, we still must stop this enemy before it kills again. We should do whatever is required, without any sense of international ethics, to prevent all hypothetical situations from ocurrring."

"As the first leader of my party, Kier Hardie, once said, you can't walk ten feet in Africa without hitting a darkie with a stick. What I mean to say is, no one on this podium really gives a shit that American soldiers are dying in Iraq."

"We have combined untrustworthy foreign policy analysis emanating from the tiny offices of extremely shady businessmen, mixed it with bravado cowboy bluster, and legitimized it with my naive Woodrow-Wilson-meets-Jesus idealism. As a result, Iraq is kind of free, and we've got a great line on fresh oil. If we'd been truthful, patient, and cooperative with other nations, while still achieving the same basic goal, would history have judged us well? Nah."

"Oh, America, I want to feel your thick, hard cock in my mouth. I want you to spurt your juice of freedom into the back of my throat. America, I am with you. Bequeath to the world the ancient light of liberty! Come for me, America! If our spirit is right and our courage is firm, the world will be with us. Yess! I am with you, baby, all the way! Oh, yes, America, my funky civilized love monkey! I'm free, free, free! America, America, yessssssssss!"

[C hristian]

but will the voting procedures in place let us vote for another Dem? That's the question right now. Did his "help americans vote" act pass? I don't remember myself. he was trying to get all states to be like florida. ie counting/results subject to an appointed offical a la Katherine harris. (i don't remember the details, sorry.)

There are 2 companies who do ATMs in America. These are the companies tapped with the task of computerized voting. Computerized voting is happening. But there is so much resistance right now from these companies in enabling the computerized voting machines to provide you, the voter, with a hard-copy of your vote. They are saying that there are so many problems with that. And, there is resistance for making voting results subject to random manual checking. B/c even if you have a hard copy of your vote, what is actually recorded in the machine may very well be something else.

The possibilities of tampering with the election system are tremendously high right now.

So, because of this, and in answering your question right now, I'm gonna go with Al Gore. Bring Back Al Gore! (he is after all the father of the internet, no? he could make those votes safe! ) (alright, so I'm rambling about nothing now, at 5am.)

[C hristian]

it is a long time between now and the election, especially for the fickle American voters. But they have to get off this steady diet of the mainsteam press who are only reporting half - or none- of the stories.

This damn whitehouse has got the press wrapped around it's little finger. Ther rules are simple. You give good press, or you are cut off. No access. Very simple. Now what newspaper could deny the importance of access to the president, the chief newsmaker?

everything is scripted and vetted beforehand. nothing is left to chance. Every question, every reporter, everything. Helen Thomas, Reuters, is not allowed to ask any questions. She will simply not be picked. And she is the dean of white house reporters.


so we have to start getting our news from new sources.

[Xia]

I haven't read the posts... just my response to the original question:

One with:

The ability to raise enough fund$$$$!

One who is dynamic. (disregard Monicagate, when he campained (sp) in '92 there was no one else like him; on MTV, bands playing universitites for support... the only year I didn't write in a cartoon character)
I would like a Ralph Nader in pre-scandal Clinton clothing.
There's more but it's late smile.gif