As a member of this board couldnt GU clear up the confusion....

[The Buddy Love Show]

and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here


although in another incarnation i feel as though i wouldn't have been welcome anyhooo

[And]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ...

[imported_Gman]

Oh boy... graemlins/all_coholic.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse?

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Gman:
Oh boy... graemlins/all_coholic.gif haahahahaa

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]Shits been confusing enough without getting geometry involved.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]Shits been confusing enough without getting geometry involved. </font>[/QUOTE]so whats your angle here?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]Shits been confusing enough without getting geometry involved. </font>[/QUOTE]so whats your angle here? </font>[/QUOTE]we are talking in circles

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]You got a good memory for someone with no-brain

[Bill Blake]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha

Geek jokes

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]Shits been confusing enough without getting geometry involved. </font>[/QUOTE]you had to be there.

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]You got a good memory for someone with no-brain </font>[/QUOTE]As I am not familiar with this character, does he really have no brain ?

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]You got a good memory for someone with no-brain </font>[/QUOTE]As I am not familiar with this character, does he really have no brain ? </font>[/QUOTE]He flew over the cuckoos nest and recieved the Jack Nicholson haircut...two bits

[mhd]

juicy fruit

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]You got a good memory for someone with no-brain </font>[/QUOTE]As I am not familiar with this character, does he really have no brain ? </font>[/QUOTE]G you are either slippin or sippin

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]You got a good memory for someone with no-brain </font>[/QUOTE]As I am not familiar with this character, does he really have no brain ? </font>[/QUOTE]actually it's lobo to my freinds

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Hey Lobo are you related to Rebecca of The Comets..Peeps wanna know

[And]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
and share with us why he did not play?

might go a long way in clearing up the air in here
I hear that ... </font>[/QUOTE]i mean he does "share" his "precious time" with us when he wants our adulation so i thought golly gee willikers it would be just swell if he were to share with us in the shelters behalf...

or am i being obtuse? </font>[/QUOTE]Yowza! icon_rofl.gif
and I laugh for reasons I won't divulge.
Suffice it to say ...
I hear ya here too. Damn! ;)
Hi Glenn ... graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

insert cricket here

[natacha]

Click===&gt; HERE (http://mushinone.cool.ne.jp/sound/taiwan-enma.rm)

[Cheddar]

Good thread.
I would love to hear it from the horse's mouth as well.
Where is it???

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by 1343:
Good thread.
I would love to hear it from the horse's mouth as well.
Where is it??? but my new record is bangin ..isn't it wilburrrrrrrr?

[Cheddar]

Instead of watching the debate heat up sooo HOT, it would clear stuff up.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by 1343:
Instead of watching the debate heat up sooo HOT, it would clear stuff up. ...or maybe it would heat up more...something to think about....

[Cheddar]

Maybe, but now I am curious. The man is a suoerstar who posts, so step to the mic. hail.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I hope he learns from his decision not to play at the party. Don't burn any bridges. Earth to Glenn, earth to Glenn, you can come back down now.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by 1343:
suoerstar I put this in dictionary.com and I got an error message....
:D

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
suoerstar I put this in dictionary.com and I got an error message....
:D </font>[/QUOTE]My cryptismic grammar is metamorphasizing into an unconscious syllable replacement which will lead myself and my team of historians to the HOLY GRAIL. I understand it may take years so please excuse the external confusion I cause.

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
Instead of watching the debate heat up sooo HOT, it would clear stuff up. ...or maybe it would heat up more...something to think about.... </font>[/QUOTE]I am sorry the DHP Message Board is unavailable at the moment while we perform some routine maintenance

[bitonti]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I hope he learns from his decision not to play at the party. Don't burn any bridges. Earth to Glenn, earth to Glenn, you can come back down now. decision not to play ??? did the shelter try to give him an hour or something?

what happened

[JL]

A lack of an explanation about why 5 headliner djs didn't play is rather revealing in itself.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JL:
A lack of an explanation about why 5 headliner djs didn't play is rather revealing in itself. I was wondering when this statement was gonna arrive...damn if you say something, damn if you don't...."can't win for losing...no, no, I can't....this crazy game".

:(

[ July 08, 2003, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I hope he learns from his decision not to play at the party. Don't burn any bridges. Earth to Glenn, earth to Glenn, you can come back down now. ssshhhh....I guess this spin wasn't thought of, try not to make it easy for them...

[ July 08, 2003, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
A lack of an explanation about why 5 headliner djs didn't play is rather revealing in itself. I was wondering when this statement was gonna arrive...damn if you say something, damn if you don't...."can't win for losing...no, no, I can't....this crazy game".

:( </font>[/QUOTE]Ohh my GOD!!!! LIl Ray, that song popped in my head too when I read this reply!!!!!

[JL]

Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by JL:
Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism? Why is it so hard for you to realize that this party was not meant for just JL, but for many of the people who love and support the scene, regardless of who played or not? I didn't see not one angry face in that spot all night.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JL:
Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism? ...because at this point, it probably would just be more food for the wolves....no disrespect to wolves.

[JL]

hell, i didn't go. danny even said the party was fine. however, shelter just lost credibility and respect in many people's eyes, not just his or mine. shelter used a marketing strategy designed to pull people in based on superstar dj personalities, but at the same time you're telling me that they don't want people to come and pay if that's what attracted them?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by JL:
hell, i didn't go. danny even said the party was fine. however, shelter just lost credibility and respect in many people's eyes, not just his or mine. shelter used a marketing strategy designed to pull people in based on superstar dj personalities, but at the same time you're telling me that they don't want people to come and pay if that's what attracted them? YOu guys act as if most of the DJS that didn't play never showed up. Glenn showed up, Louie showed up, but they didn't play. From what I heard Louie felt that Timmy had the crowd (and yes indeed he did) so he decided not to play. What, you're gonna walk up to Louie and ask for your money back?


Peace

[JL]

If that's what happened, is that so hard to say? That's a perfectly acceptable, respectful answer. If Robbi or some other Shelter rep had replied in that manner instead of saying "fuk u, don't come anymore", I personally wouldn't have bothered to get my panties in a bunch about all of this. Instead, people try to reason, rationalized, and accept as proper anything the Shelter does.

As the last bastion of soulful house in a proper setting, shouldn't the Shelter be held to even that mediocre standard of professionalism?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JL:
hell, i didn't go. but you have much to say...what if his criticism, er, sorry, his right at his opinion, did not fit yours if you came? I wasn't at the picnic in Chicago, maybe I should start some criticism about the food, the mosquitos and the music.

I really thought you were there...you really had me fool.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by JL:
If that's what happened, is that so hard to say? That's a perfectly acceptable, respectful answer. If Robbi or some other Shelter rep had replied in that manner instead of saying "fuk u, don't come anymore", I personally wouldn't have bothered to get my panties in a bunch about all of this. Instead, people try to reason, rationalized, and accept as proper anything the Shelter does.

As the last bastion of soulful house in a proper setting, shouldn't the Shelter be held to even that mediocre standard of professionalism? Why don't you go back and read what Robbi wrote b/4 the fukyu...


And I know this is a message board for house music and a great one... But if you wanted an "Official" answer why not post your questions on the Shelter board??? graemlins/conf44.gif

[bitonti]

groove if that is what happened then at least that's an answer.

fact of the matter is i was going to post on the shelter board but i didn't want to as my old man would say "shit where i eat" - thought maybe pursuing this on DHP would be a low key way of finding out what happened, rather than taking the questions straight to their internet presence.

[ July 08, 2003, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: bitonti ]

[JL]

MYOR, you mean this:


If any of you do not respect what we are
trying to do dont fukking come back to shelter
thats all This board is just as valid cause Robbi, a representative of Shelter, posts here. Additionally, I don't post on the Shelter board, and it seems danny doesn't either. With that in mind, that would make for one hell of a first post on that board.

Ray - it would still be a valid criticism because he is a paying customer. The principle is correct, in my opinion - someone came because an event was advertised with A-D, but A, X, Y, and D played with no mention of why B and C didn't.

The perceived lack of professionalism is this: if said djs weren't going to play, management should have made every effort to posts signs notifying people at the door that they weren't. If the circumstances didn't allow that (the djs didn't want to play or whatever), then that explanation along with a simple apology would suffice. These are basic standards of professionalism and accountability that anything worth respect are held against. Why shouldn't the Shelter be held in at least that esteem?

[MYOR]

Originally posted by bitonti:
groove if that is what happened then at least that's an answer.

fact of the matter is i was going to post on the shelter board but i didn't want to as my old man would say "shit where i eat" - thought maybe pursuing this on DHP would be a low key way of finding out what happened, rather than taking the questions straight to their internet presence. Funny demanding answer but don't want to go to the source...

[MYOR]

Originally posted by JL:
MYOR, you mean this:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If any of you do not respect what we are
trying to do dont fukking come back to shelter
thats all This board is just as valid cause Robbi, a representative of Shelter, posts here. Additionally, I don't post on the Shelter board, and it seems danny doesn't either. With that in mind, that would make for one hell of a first post on that board.

Ray - it would still be a valid criticism because he is a paying customer. The principle is correct, in my opinion - someone came because an event was advertised with A-D, but A, X, Y, and D played with no mention of why B and C didn't.

The perceived lack of professionalism is this: if said djs weren't going to play, management should have made every effort to posts signs notifying people at the door that they weren't. If the circumstances didn't allow that (the djs didn't want to play or whatever), then that explanation along with a simple apology would suffice. These are basic standards of professionalism and accountability that anything worth respect are held against. Why shouldn't the Shelter be held in at least that esteem? </font>[/QUOTE]How are you suppose to know that someone isn't going to show .. or that they are and don't want to play.. Ok, maybe Shelter has an oncall psychic..

[bitonti]

besides the fact that Robbi is an Admin over at Shelter board so he is in many ways "the source"

i thought it would be better for the shelter if questions were placed here not directly on their site - could be bad pub for them, and contrary to popular belief i care about the image of the shelter and its success. its an integral part of the house scene and this world would be worse off without it.

[ July 08, 2003, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: bitonti ]

[JL]

You're assuming that what Groove heard through the grapevine is the truth. If that did happen, would you have a problem explaining that to someone who's paying your bills?

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JL:
[qb] I wasn't at the picnic in Chicago, maybe I should start some criticism about the food, the mosquitos and the music.

Ray, I demand to know where Darryl James from NYC was. He was supposed to play at the picnic. I drove all the way from Madison to hear him play. I didn't get an explanation from these Chosen Few guys. icon_rofl.gif

-G

[MYOR]

Originally posted by bitonti:
besides the fact that Robbi is an Admin over at Shelter board so he is in many ways "the source"

i thought it would be better for the shelter if questions were placed here not directly on their site - could be bad pub for them, and contrary to popular belief i care about the image of the shelter and its success. its an integral part of the house scene and this world would be worse off without it. Give me a break.. Bad publicity on their board graemlins/conf44.gif .. Better for the Shelter?? How? Lets get real here. If you 'care' so much about someone or sometheing you will ask question to the source instead of trying to get answers from people that only might have ideas or pieces of the puzzle not the whole thing..

Basically its doing more harm here.. if thats how you want to see it..

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:

Originally posted by JL:
[qb] I wasn't at the picnic in Chicago, maybe I should start some criticism about the food, the mosquitos and the music.

Ray, I demand to know where Darryl James from NYC was. He was supposed to play at the picnic. I drove all the way from Madison to hear him play. I didn't get an explanation from these Chosen Few guys. icon_rofl.gif

-G </font>See I wasn't there, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and, furthermore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

[JL]

The problem is that some people hold the heads to a higher standard than the industry.

[bitonti]

Originally posted by MYOR:
Give me a break.. Bad publicity on their board graemlins/conf44.gif .. Better for the Shelter?? How? Lets get real here. If you 'care' so much about someone or sometheing you will ask question to the source instead of trying to get answers from people that only might have ideas or pieces of the puzzle not the whole thing..

Basically its doing more harm here.. if thats how you want to see it.. if i register and make my post on the shelter board will i earn your respect then? yeah right

[MYOR]

Originally posted by JL:
The problem is that some people hold the heads to a higher standard than the industry. That might be so.. but in this case I think the people with the so high standard... need to stop and be realistic..
You want someone to be held accountable for things out of there control...

You know what I can see this if Robbi posted hey we knew they werent gonna come but we just didn't think that you should be informed..

I don't know for sure how things happened but neither do most of the people here... I can only go by what Robbi wrote..


One Dj pulled out at the last minute
other djs just didnt show up.
In Louie Vega's case he showed up but was too tired to play for all the happened at the park that,the fact that he even showed up i thought was awfully nice of him anyway.
However I'm not trying to tell you what you should or have paid for,but check this out,

then we had all thoes Djs just three didnt show up, two showed up and didnt play which was totally beyond our control

[MYOR]

Originally posted by bitonti:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Give me a break.. Bad publicity on their board graemlins/conf44.gif .. Better for the Shelter?? How? Lets get real here. If you 'care' so much about someone or sometheing you will ask question to the source instead of trying to get answers from people that only might have ideas or pieces of the puzzle not the whole thing..

Basically its doing more harm here.. if thats how you want to see it.. if i register and make my post on the shelter board will i earn your respect then? yeah right </font>[/QUOTE]You don't need to earn my respect.. graemlins/nono.gif I'm just stating the obvious here...

Don't bytch and holla about something and are too afraid to ask the person or organization you're bytching about..

[Pacific Mall Rat]

http://66.227.101.70/contrib/turb/sleep-w.gif

[bitonti]

im not afraid of anything

GU posts here
Robbi posts here

why is this such a bad place to look for answers

maybe if i knew John/Freddie/Glen/Phil/MOhammed/Jesus/Buddha personnaly i would call em up and ask what the deal is

[Pacific Mall Rat]

http://66.227.101.70/contrib/turb/sleep-w.gif

[MYOR]

Originally posted by Super Ras:
http://66.227.101.70/contrib/turb/sleep-w.gif This has always amused me...
If you are so tired of the topic, Why do you keep on opening and posting in it... There has to be at least 60 new topics here graemlins/rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif

[Pacific Mall Rat]

It's like a horror movie.
you don't wanna look and you cover your face but you sneak a peak and end up watching it anyway. graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[MYOR]

Originally posted by Super Ras:
It's like a horror movie.
you don't wanna look and you cover your face but you sneak a peak and end up watching it anyway. graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/tongueout.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[natacha]

The perceived lack of professionalism is this: if said djs weren't going to play, management should have made every effort to posts signs notifying people at the door that they weren't. If the circumstances didn't allow that (the djs didn't want to play or whatever), then that explanation along with a simple apology would suffice. These are basic standards of professionalism and accountability that anything worth respect are held against. Why shouldn't the Shelter be held in at least that esteem? [/QB]I agree. If somebody is not playing, at least tell the patrons at the door that so and so will not perform, and let the custumers make the decision if it is still worth it to attend the party.

Public relations 101

Did somebody get the free trip to Jamaica?

[Maria]

Two guys won the dang trip, I was really throwin' out mad karma, please please let me win this trip, but it was not to be..

[Tony Cano]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:

Originally posted by JL:
[qb] I wasn't at the picnic in Chicago, maybe I should start some criticism about the food, the mosquitos and the music.

Ray, I demand to know where Darryl James from NYC was. He was supposed to play at the picnic. I drove all the way from Madison to hear him play. I didn't get an explanation from these Chosen Few guys. icon_rofl.gif

-G </font>yeah - what happen to farley too?

[Jamie 3:26]

We didn't care..... graemlins/all_coholic.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by JL:
Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism? Earth to JL...as part of the product being served doesn't GU have to pass this very same muster?...or are you going to retract?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism? Earth to JL...as part of the product being served doesn't GU have to pass this very same muster?...or are you going to retract? </font>[/QUOTE]Reminds me of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table going out to look for the holy grail, only the truth is rather easy to find IF he can post on the board. THis would shut alot of people up in a jiffy.

Peace

[JL]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Why is it so hard to tell disgruntled customers why you didn't deliver what was promised or to apologize for a lack of professionalism? Earth to JL...as part of the product being served doesn't GU have to pass this very same muster?...or are you going to retract? </font>[/QUOTE]not really, i don't give 2 ****s about gu, there were 4 other djs that didn't play as well.

really, it's about a lack of respect for customers that was clearly displayed.

i'm out, there's no use convincing lemmings that the master has ****ed up.

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
You're assuming that what Groove heard through the grapevine is the truth. If that did happen, would you have a problem explaining that to someone who's paying your bills? you are assuming that shelter/robbi intentionally misrepresented, pssst, dannyboy is paying no ones bills

[mhd]

Originally posted by bitonti:


i thought it would be better for the shelter if questions were placed here not directly on their site - could be bad pub for them, and contrary to popular belief i care about the image of the shelter and its success. hypocritical contradictory post of the millenium

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Ohhh damn, MHD grading test scores.

Watch out!!!

[JL]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
You're assuming that what Groove heard through the grapevine is the truth. If that did happen, would you have a problem explaining that to someone who's paying your bills? you are assuming that shelter/robbi intentionally misrepresented, pssst, dannyboy is paying no ones bills </font>[/QUOTE]incorrect. my gripe stems from the lack of professionalism in robbi's response, or the lack of an explanation regarding why 5 advertised performers did not perform. dannyboy is one patron, but patrons in general pay their bills.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

JL, ask GU in a private message why he didn't spin.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
JL, ask GU in a private message why he didn't spin. didn't he just say he was not concerned about GU?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
JL, ask GU in a private message why he didn't spin. didn't he just say he was not concerned about GU? </font>[/QUOTE]GU is of concern and would take alot of heat of of Robbi's back, whether he responded in a profoessional manner or not. He's not a babysitter.

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
You're assuming that what Groove heard through the grapevine is the truth. If that did happen, would you have a problem explaining that to someone who's paying your bills? you are assuming that shelter/robbi intentionally misrepresented, pssst, dannyboy is paying no ones bills </font>[/QUOTE]incorrect. my gripe stems from the lack of professionalism in robbi's response, or the lack of an explanation regarding why 5 advertised performers did not perform. dannyboy is one patron, but patrons in general pay their bills. </font>[/QUOTE]robbi responded to a rude, insulting, unfounded allegation that was full of assumptions. you expect robbi to be professional, can't we expect d-boy to be factual. you are right about patrons paying their bills, they do so because they get their life

[mhd]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
JL, ask GU in a private message why he didn't spin. didn't he just say he was not concerned about GU? </font>[/QUOTE]GU is of concern and would take alot of heat of of Robbi's back, whether he responded in a profoessional manner or not. He's not a babysitter. </font>[/QUOTE]now why would the joy of shelter bashing be interrupted by logic?

[The Donger]

Originally posted by mhd:
robbi responded to a rude, insulting, unfounded allegation that was full of assumptions. you expect robbi to be professional, can't we expect d-boy to be factual. In the adult world of "running a business" on a planet far away from House music, we deal with rude customers who think they are "right about everything" on a regular basis. We raise the bar by maintaining a professional attitude and remain kind and informative no matter how disagreeable the client can get. If we answer all our clients questions and they continue to act in an unprofessional manner, we get upper management involved.

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
robbi responded to a rude, insulting, unfounded allegation that was full of assumptions. you expect robbi to be professional, can't we expect d-boy to be factual. In the adult world of "running a business" on a planet far away from House music, we deal with rude customers who think they are "right about everything" on a regular basis. We raise the bar by maintaining a professional attitude and remain kind and informative no matter how disagreeable the client can get. If we answer all our clients questions and they continue to act in an unprofessional manner, we get upper management involved. </font>[/QUOTE]thanks miss manners

[JL]

gu's answer could address a portion of the concerns that have been aired, but he can hardly answer for the other 4 djs that did not play.

for the record, i have never "shelter bashed". i got riled up by responses by robbi in that other thread and the lack of explanation even to this very moment as to why things went down the way they did.

based on this experience, and my experience when i criticised that horrible amateur film "Maestro", i'm learning that one should never say anything to criticise inadequecies in the things they love.


Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
JL, ask GU in a private message why he didn't spin. didn't he just say he was not concerned about GU? </font>[/QUOTE]GU is of concern and would take alot of heat of of Robbi's back, whether he responded in a profoessional manner or not. He's not a babysitter. </font>[/QUOTE]now why would the joy of shelter bashing be interrupted by logic? </font>[/QUOTE]

[MYOR]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JL:
[QB] gu's answer could address a portion of the concerns that have been aired, but he can hardly answer for the other 4 djs that did not play.

for the record, i have never "shelter bashed". i got riled up by responses by robbi in that other thread and the lack of explanation even to this very moment as to why things went down the way they did.

based on this experience, and my experience when i criticised that horrible amateur film "Maestro", i'm learning that one should never say anything to criticise inadequecies in the things they love.

QUOTE]

Exactly what explanation is that you are looking for here??

No event should have to explain exactly why the person didn't show up.. They just didn't. Again that is up to the people that didn't show up to explain..

Damn, you want a play by play..

So and so was caugt in traffic

so and so just didn't feel like it...

So and so - was too busy getting laid..

Is that what you want???

[ July 08, 2003, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

[And]

Originally posted by MYOR:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JL:
[QB] gu's answer could address a portion of the concerns that have been aired, but he can hardly answer for the other 4 djs that did not play.

for the record, i have never "shelter bashed". i got riled up by responses by robbi in that other thread and the lack of explanation even to this very moment as to why things went down the way they did.

based on this experience, and my experience when i criticised that horrible amateur film "Maestro", i'm learning that one should never say anything to criticise inadequecies in the things they love.

QUOTE]

Exactly what explanation is that you are looking for here??

No event should have to explain exactly why the person didn't show up.. They just didn't. Again that is up to the people that didn't show up..

Damn, you want a play by play..

So and so was caugt in traffic

so and so just didn't feel like it...

So and so - was too busy getting laid..

Is that what you want??? Actually ya know ... I think that is all people want to hear ... Reasons. What's beyond the Shelter should be pretty clear. Now if Phil Asher didn't show up/spin 'cause his prospects for a good shag with a nice bit of tart got in the way and that's the reason he wanted to offer up for not spinning then so be it ... icon_rofl.gif
All I'm saying is people just want to know. I figure they want to know because they care ... at least on some level. graemlins/conf44.gif

[darrow]

yowza.

Why is this being made to be so complicated? At any club/venue (never mind Shelter), here's what I would picture happening...

- dj's get booked
- flyers get made
- set times included on the flyers or subsequent communications (postings, emails, whatever)
- one or some djs don't get on the turntables (for whatever reason)
- the club handles this exception by
a) taping a handwritten sign to the door saying "so and so will not be playing but come on in. It's jumpin inside!"

and maybe even...

b) posting a message on their own site saying "hey folks. sorry all the djs we promoted didn't play. There were some circumstances out of our control. Feel free to post your comments on our message board or email us directly at blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com"

[MYOR]

You know maybe the DJ doesn't want you to know that he was fvcking his brain out.. instead of playing..

You know the problem I see here its like when little kids ask you something and they get the answer..

and then they continue with

but why, but why, but why....

How many answer do you need before you are satisfied..

[ July 08, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

[The Donger]

So no matter how you slice it, this scene is full of unprofessionals?

[MYOR]

Originally posted by The Donger:
So no matter how you slice it, this scene is full of unprofessionals? Such is life there are unprofessionals in every scene and/or business not just this one ;)

[Shalewa]

Hey,

Glenn has not yet had an opportunity to read any of these threads having only early this morning returned home. He will respond soon.

[And]

Originally posted by MYOR:
You know maybe the DJ doesn't want you to know that he was fvcking his brain out.. instead of playing..

You know the problem I see here its like when little kids ask you something and they get the answer..

and then they continue with

but why, but why, but why....

How many answer do you need before you are satisfied.. I think you missed my point ...
I'll refer you to Darrow's post for clarity ;)

[mhd]

Originally posted by MYOR:
You know maybe the DJ doesn't want you to know that he was fvcking his brain out.. instead of playing..

You know the problem I see here its like when little kids ask you something and they get the answer..

and then they continue with

but why, but why, but why....

How many answer do you need before you are satisfied.. exactly, folks never heard of "none of your business"

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

All I wanna know is when that Donnie remix is coming out. And Obatala of course...

[And]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
You know maybe the DJ doesn't want you to know that he was fvcking his brain out.. instead of playing..

You know the problem I see here its like when little kids ask you something and they get the answer..

and then they continue with

but why, but why, but why....

How many answer do you need before you are satisfied.. exactly, folks never heard of "none of your business" </font>[/QUOTE]Is that your final answer? :regis philbin voice:


exactly, folks never heard of "none of your business" By Salt n' pepa?
http://www.wvjz.net/salt-n-pepa2.jpg
"If I wanna take a guy home with me tonight it's none of your business ... " Yeah I remember that one. icon_rofl.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
Hey,

Glenn has not yet had an opportunity to read any of these threads having only early this morning returned home. He will respond soon. too late...he got caught out there...seems he did not like his time slot so didn't wanna play...

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shalewa:
Hey,

Glenn has not yet had an opportunity to read any of these threads having only early this morning returned home. He will respond soon. too late...he got caught out there...seems he did not like his time slot so didn't wanna play... </font>[/QUOTE]then again, there are two sides to every story

[AK]

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:

Originally posted by JL:
[qb] I wasn't at the picnic in Chicago, maybe I should start some criticism about the food, the mosquitos and the music.

Ray, I demand to know where Darryl James from NYC was. He was supposed to play at the picnic. I drove all the way from Madison to hear him play. I didn't get an explanation from these Chosen Few guys. icon_rofl.gif

-G </font>yeah - what happen to farley too? </font>[/QUOTE]smile.gif Good questions I'll try to get answers to. Darryl James was a Wayne Williams connection. I've never met or seen the brother. Jesse had talked to Farley.

[djmarbll]

Four pages worth of posts and we haven't heard from Glenn himself. He must be busy or maybe doesn't care to respond. I've only known Glenn for a few years, but I know he won't dwell on pettiness, especially not on a message board. You might have to talk to him personally to find out what really happened.


Meanwhile, we had a great time here in Chicago at the Chosen Few gathering Saturday. ;)

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
Four pages worth of posts and we haven't heard from Glenn himself. He must be busy or maybe doesn't care to respond. I've only known Glenn for a few years, but I know he won't dwell on pettiness, especially not on a message board. You might have to talk to him personally to find out what really happened.


Meanwhile, we had a great time here in Chicago at the Chosen Few gathering Saturday. ;) yeah but he damn sure will be petty off a message board...ask Magus

btw, not playin cause you don't like the time slots you are given is real petty...especialy when you have been advertised to play and have peeps who came FROM CHICAGO!!! to hear you

so i think he really should me a mensch and spare some of his "precious time" to step to the m-i-c and hip us to the 4-1-1...or is this site just here to hype his records and sing his praises

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
Four pages worth of posts and we haven't heard from Glenn himself. He must be busy or maybe doesn't care to respond. I've only known Glenn for a few years, but I know he won't dwell on pettiness, especially not on a message board. You might have to talk to him personally to find out what really happened.


Meanwhile, we had a great time here in Chicago at the Chosen Few gathering Saturday. ;) especialy when you have been advertised to play and have peeps who came FROM CHICAGO!!! to hear you
</font>[/QUOTE]...or from another Country.

[alex zen]

give him a chance to respond. maybe gu hasn't seen the board yet.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
Four pages worth of posts and we haven't heard from Glenn himself. He must be busy or maybe doesn't care to respond. I've only known Glenn for a few years, but I know he won't dwell on pettiness, especially not on a message board. You might have to talk to him personally to find out what really happened.


Meanwhile, we had a great time here in Chicago at the Chosen Few gathering Saturday. ;) yeah but he damn sure will be petty off a message board...ask Magus

btw, not playin cause you don't like the time slots you are given is real petty...especialy when you have been advertised to play and have peeps who came FROM CHICAGO!!! to hear you

so i think he really should me a mensch and spare some of his "precious time" to step to the m-i-c and hip us to the 4-1-1...or is this site just here to hype his records and sing his praises </font>[/QUOTE]Well the cats out of the bag, now tell me this. Is this a legitimate reason to scream on Robbie and the management of the Shelter? I think not, I'd rather scream on Glenn because of this childish decision not to play. COme down to earth please.

Peace

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
Four pages worth of posts and we haven't heard from Glenn himself. He must be busy or maybe doesn't care to respond. I've only known Glenn for a few years, but I know he won't dwell on pettiness, especially not on a message board. You might have to talk to him personally to find out what really happened.


Meanwhile, we had a great time here in Chicago at the Chosen Few gathering Saturday. ;) yeah but he damn sure will be petty off a message board...ask Magus

btw, not playin cause you don't like the time slots you are given is real petty...especialy when you have been advertised to play and have peeps who came FROM CHICAGO!!! to hear you

so i think he really should me a mensch and spare some of his "precious time" to step to the m-i-c and hip us to the 4-1-1...or is this site just here to hype his records and sing his praises </font>[/QUOTE]Well the cats out of the bag, now tell me this. Is this a legitimate reason to scream on Robbie and the management of the Shelter? I think not, I'd rather scream on Glenn because of this childish decision not to play. COme down to earth please.

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Exactly...his head is sooo big that he TURNED DOWN a slot at the Shelter cause he didn't think it befit his superstar status....

let me beam a lil message ...there are not many superstars in this biz and quite frankly i've dealt with a few of them at dinky lil grimy party called Wild Pitch/House Nation and NONE of those cats who could basically buy and sell GU EVER pulled that bullshit with us...

what went down was childish and unprofessional...get a fuggin grip GU...over a billion Indians still don't know who you are

[GROOVE VICTIM]

This is one of the most troubling factors in the Scene today. EGOs.

What really kills me is that there really was no headliner for the entire event (The Club atleast, not summerstage). When you start making world wide tours with a band and a couple of DJs, selling out venues through the many countries of this planet, then maybe the "divaness" can come out. But not this time. What, were you offended because you playing around the time Ruben Mancias was playing? I've listened to Ruben play when he first started mixing on Wild 107 back in San Fransisco in the mid 90s. He along with David Harness, DJ Patrick, Black Stone, and Pete Avila had the city on lock down and that's why their parties are gettin rave revues in the Bay Area. Take away the Naked Music Phenomena, and you have those cats holding it down for an entire region of the country. But you're Glenn I guess. I respect and love your music, but the attitude you provided us Saturday night was unwarranted. Maybe you should call up Dennis F who was called up at the last minute to play the first floor. With that kind of attitude, I see Dennis going far in his career. Just one last question, who the hell are you?

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
This is one of the most troubling factors in the Scene today. EGOs.

What really kills me is that there really was no headliner for the entire event (The Club atleast, not summerstage). When you start making world wide tours with a band and a couple of DJs, selling out venues through the many countries of this planet, then maybe the "divaness" can come out. But not this time. What, were you offended because you playing around the time Ruben Mancias was playing? I've listened to Ruben play when he first started mixing on Wild 107 back in San Fransisco in the mid 90s. He along with David Harness, DJ Patrick, Black Stone, and Pete Avila had the city on lock down and that's why their parties are gettin rave revues in the Bay Area. Take away the Naked Music Phenomena, and you have those cats holding it down for an entire region of the country. But you're Glenn I guess. I respect and love your music, but the attitude you provided us Saturday night was unwarranted. Maybe you should call up Dennis F who was called up at the last minute to play the first floor. With that kind of attitude, I see Dennis going far in his career. Just one last question, who the hell are you? Did GU, say he didn't play because of time slots or are you going by what someone else said? Isn't this the same thing you went off on Dannyboy and others about, not knowing the real deal...

Also, I think the point was the Shelter promoted this party, so the Shelter and it's promotional staff just should've taken the heat for what happened...it's that simple....not that anyone really needs to know exactly what happened, it's just a matter of representing your establishment. None of this would have been a major deal if it would've been stated, "we apologize for some of our dj's not performing, it was out of our control"....so simple....

but you all see it your way....and others see it their way....

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
This is one of the most troubling factors in the Scene today. EGOs.

What really kills me is that there really was no headliner for the entire event (The Club atleast, not summerstage). When you start making world wide tours with a band and a couple of DJs, selling out venues through the many countries of this planet, then maybe the "divaness" can come out. But not this time. What, were you offended because you playing around the time Ruben Mancias was playing? I've listened to Ruben play when he first started mixing on Wild 107 back in San Fransisco in the mid 90s. He along with David Harness, DJ Patrick, Black Stone, and Pete Avila had the city on lock down and that's why their parties are gettin rave revues in the Bay Area. Take away the Naked Music Phenomena, and you have those cats holding it down for an entire region of the country. But you're Glenn I guess. I respect and love your music, but the attitude you provided us Saturday night was unwarranted. Maybe you should call up Dennis F who was called up at the last minute to play the first floor. With that kind of attitude, I see Dennis going far in his career. Just one last question, who the hell are you? Did GU, say he didn't play because of time slots or are you going by what someone else said? Isn't this the same thing you went off on Dannyboy and others about, not knowing the real deal...

Also, I think the point was the Shelter promoted this party, so the Shelter and it's promotional staff just should've taken the heat for what happened...it's that simple....not that anyone really needs to know exactly what happened, it's just a matter of representing your establishment. None of this would have been a major deal if it would've been stated, "we apologize for some of our dj's not performing, it was out of our control"....so simple....

but you all see it your way....and others see it their way.... </font>[/QUOTE]Ashaki...thi is what Glen said...amazing u missed it since its under his own name abot 8 streams below

shit makes about as much sense as you do...which by your implications should be a compliment:

I have'nt even waste tyme to look at the other rigarmarroe about this matter,
their was things beyond i and Shelters control, but Freddie know that i was'nt play'en the club, and there were no problems with us we are all still family, but you know some of the BS on this board is very funny with the poeple some of which were'nt there and some who were but anyways, i had fun every Dj played masterfully and the vibe was straight as hell but the reason's i or Louie , or kenny or Phil or Jazzy Jeff did not play was nothing personal with freddy or timmy they are our good freinds, ask freddy i am on the Phone with him as i type this matter, so what in the hell is the problem and it was clearly stated by some of the people from CHI besides my crew was there to see Chaka not me, we were there to hear the other Dj's play and had fun like a MO FO, but i get home from an almost crashed plane for Cheez and Sadar to talk s**t and wack ass Sadar was'nt even there because he dont support evrybody in chicago knows this, and Cheez got in for free off my guest list, so what ever to that. The only person there from the CHI who came to support me was Brian Reeves because he told me so so sorry to B Reeves, But the Shelter is still the Rawest club in the country thank you, and i will not reply to this thread from hence forth

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Have you been watching P-Diddy's "Making the Band"?


With what went down as far as GU goes, it's damn near the equivalent. And trust me babydoll, there's more to the story than I'm going to reveal.

Peace

[mhd]

on the real, Glenn does not "owe" an explanation, and his decision to abstain from discussing it in this public forum is wise.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by mhd:
on the real, Glenn does not "owe" an explanation, and his decision to abstain from discussing it in this public forum is wise. I totally agree

[Koffy Brown]

Ashaki...thi is what Glen said...amazing u missed it since its under his own name abot 8 streams below

shit makes about as much sense as you do...which by your implications should be a compliment:

You know what...you almost made me give a real serious personal attack on you....you are beyond ignorant....be gone...