One good question about the DHP….for a change: [Archive]

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:34 AM

Actually more than one....

Given that the site/board was created to promote/present house from a black perspective since it didn’t appear that even though this music is essentially black (by essentially I mean try to not let this thread turn into one of those what is black and house is universal bullshit threads)………..there was not any other websites promoting house from a black perspective before this one.

How well do you think the site has done this? To what extent of an impact do you think the site has had in that regard?….And if you don’t think that it has done this well please explain why.

And also what ways if it has, do you think DHP could improve in this regard?

But then, we all know the real reason Gman created the site was to increase his mix tape collection.

[ July 01, 2003, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:36 AM

G has done a great job, with great resistance

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
G has done a great job, with great resistance Just to document could you please describe in as much detail as possible what is being resisted?

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
G has done a great job, with great resistance Just to document could you please describe in as much detail as possible what is being resisted? [/QUOTE]there is great resistance for anything from a black perpesctive

mdpm99

07-01-2003, 11:44 AM

[ July 01, 2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

M3taPhsX

07-01-2003, 11:44 AM

Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me.

Jamie 3:26

07-01-2003, 11:48 AM

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:49 AM

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. I really think you are an idiot.... [/QUOTE]he just got the word wrong

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. Then leave and please dont **** up my thread.

This is important.....and perhaps before you decide whether it has any interest for you...you should better try to understand WHY it was.

And if you are gonna tit for tat argue with me create another thread.

Im dead ****ing serious.

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:52 AM

mhd

07-01-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. Then leave and please dont **** up my thread.

This is important.....and perhaps before you decide whether it has any interest for you...you should better try to understand WHY it was.

And if you are gonna tit for tat argue with me create another thread.

Im dead ****ing serious. [/QUOTE]chill, and stay focussed

jimmymack-2000

07-01-2003, 11:54 AM

I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one...

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Actually more than one....

Given that the site/board was created to promote/present house from a black perspective since it didn’t appear that even though this music is essentially black (by essentially I mean try to not let this thread turn into one of those what is black and house is universal bullshit threads)………..there was not any other websites promoting house from a black perspective before this one.

How well do you think the site has done this? To what extent of an impact do you think the site has had in that regard?….And if you don’t think that it has done this well please explain why.

And also what ways if it has, do you think DHP could improve in this regard?

But then, we all know the real reason Gman created the site was to increase his mix tape collection. to be clear, you are interpreting G-Man's words, i think you are pretty much on point, although I think G would have emphasised history a lot more than you did, of course, now i am interpreting G's words [/QUOTE]Yes yes, contribution to the history and providing the history is in part (hell a really big one) what I meant to ask about....

richierich

07-01-2003, 11:56 AM

I really think this site is the bomb!! The fact that you can connect with peeps that you don't know is dope to me. I have met people thru this board and feel like I know them once we meet to a certain degree. People have gotten gigs, found out about parties, listened to DJ s that they might never have heard etc. The only down side if there is one is that we can't seem to agree to disagree. All different walks of life, different races,cultures on a board passionately discussing something that we love.. TOPS IN MY BOOK!!

Ken1015

07-01-2003, 11:56 AM

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:57 AM

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. Then leave and please dont **** up my thread.

This is important.....and perhaps before you decide whether it has any interest for you...you should better try to understand WHY it was.

And if you are gonna tit for tat argue with me create another thread.

Im dead ****ing serious. [/QUOTE]Jamie ---> http://forums.hecatemoon.com/images/smiles/splat.gif [/QUOTE]You and mhd are right....

Sorry M3

M3taPhsX

07-01-2003, 11:58 AM

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. I really think you are an idiot.... [/QUOTE]I dont appreciate the insults, you need to learn how to speak to people. #2 explain yourself. [/QUOTE]What he means to say is a class that teaches economics from a market perspective does not exlcude marxist from attending.

Now please dont disprupt the flow of the thread...jesus...at least until page 6

Jamie 3:26

07-01-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M3taPhsX:
Well, I'm a n00b so I didn't know it was created for a "black perspective". I didn't know it was so exclusive. If this is truly the case, then this site may not have much interest to me. I really think you are an idiot.... [/QUOTE]I dont appreciate the insults, you need to learn how to speak to people. #2 explain yourself. [/QUOTE]You need to learn to read.N00B.This site has many folks of all walks of life ere.If it was an all exclusive Black site,there would be all hell breakin' out,cause there are white folks here.Forget it....have a nice day...

mdpm99

07-01-2003, 12:11 PM

just a lil' graemlins/respekt.gif

Aretha...

[ July 01, 2003, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

jimmymack-2000

07-01-2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Do you think this supports mhd's claim that 'there is great resistance for anything from a black perpesctive '? [/QUOTE]I think there can be...it's especially contingent on how the message is delivered. Many people on here are intelligent and "dealing with the real," but come across as angry, forceful, etc. to people who don't understand the race dynamic in the U.S., and the history of the Black Pride/Power movement.

On a side note, M3taphysx posted about feeling alienated as a South Asian living in the U.S. not too long ago, and incidences of racism directed at him. He may be one person that finds the message delivered here a bit too bold...I dunno.

Moksha

07-01-2003, 12:21 PM

SHEIK YERBOUTI

07-01-2003, 12:22 PM

Moksha

07-01-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Do you think this supports mhd's claim that 'there is great resistance for anything from a black perpesctive '? [/QUOTE]Yes, that thread (and the parallel one on the other board) did demonstrate how adverse people can be to the black perspective.

In regards to mhd's post...I think DHP has shown that there isn't "a black perspective." But that there are "many black perspectives." Both about house music and the rest of the world.

jsd540

07-01-2003, 12:29 PM

I believe this site is very successful at expressing the black perspective and at the same time I don't feel like I should not be part of the community.

I also believe that even through some of the discussions can get heated the only way to get an insight into someone elses experience is to discuss it, which at times can be uncomfortable and cause a rukus.

All in all big ups to gee...

Leslie

07-01-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Orion:

In regards to mhd's post...I think DHP has shown that there isn't "a black perspective." But that there are "many black perspectives." Both about house music and the rest of the world. [/QB]Bingo! We all don't look alike nor think alike. There are MANY perspectives that encompass a "black perspective" as there are that encompass "any" perspective.

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 12:33 PM

By black perspective I meant as opposed to the typical white/European dominance of house websites and history. The general way I use it does not imply there is not more than one black perspective but that there is AT LEAST ONE.

Prince HiFi

07-01-2003, 12:37 PM

I think the DHP pretty much saved house music in the US, that it gave new momentum to the essential elements that made the music so attractive in the first place as black dance music. House was well along the road of being co-opted, redefined and sold to a more affluent demographic - almost every dance culture magazine took this 'whitewashed' path. The DHP and its members, in this new kind of publication, have been able to counter the marketing co-optation by valuing the qualities that make house great music and great culture over the qualities that might make someone money but weaken 'this thing we call house'. It's not that there's not room for all cultures in house (there is), but recognize what was done to this essentially 'black dance music' over ten years (1990-2000 or so) and you will know why the contribution of the DHP is so important.

Prince HiFi

[ July 01, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Prince HiFi ]

Wild i

07-01-2003, 12:41 PM

Good question, white boy... :D

Having left the scene for many years, I was amazed to find so many white folks who had "claimed" house and I was even more amazed to see what they claimed it was. This site was and is an oasis where many of the originators contribute. We are truly blessed both in that respect and to have Gman as our fearless leader.

Some white people (my sigo included) instantly get their backs up as soon as they hear or read the word Black as it pertains to race. Can't watch a Black movie, can't listen to Black music and apparently can't clear their black hearts.

Yes, racists of every color have occasionally slipped in, but I still feel this site stands head and shoulders above the rest as a forum for the Black perspective of house music.

Now if we could just get the revisionist to stop trying to write gays out of house history... graemlins/spanka.gif

Ben.

07-01-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... undergroundhouse.net is not about a "post 94 european version of house". far from it in fact.

its about the kind of jacking, tracky, Chicago style house that first became popular in the late 80's. Only difference is we focus on the more on new stuff rather than classics.

most of the DJ's and Producers featured on the site are American, a lot are from Chicago, admittedly the sound has spread all over the world now and doesn't all come out of Chicago anymore but its certainly not a european version... to be honest I wasn't aware there was such a thing, not that people referred to as "house" anyway...

maybe if you took the time to check out a couple of the mixes you would understand where I am coming from... I dunno, always amazes me to see this kind of reaction to it on here graemlins/conf44.gif

mhd

07-01-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Do you think this supports mhd's claim that 'there is great resistance for anything from a black perpesctive '? [/QUOTE]I think there can be...it's especially contingent on how the message is delivered. Many people on here are intelligent and "dealing with the real," but come across as angry, forceful, etc. to people who don't understand the race dynamic in the U.S., and the history of the Black Pride/Power movement.

On a side note, M3taphysx posted about feeling alienated as a South Asian living in the U.S. not too long ago, and incidences of racism directed at him. He may be one person that finds the message delivered here a bit too bold...I dunno. [/QUOTE]"how the message is delivered.." could be considered resistance

mdpm99

07-01-2003, 12:47 PM

Greetings JL:

Over all, I personally have found DHP a means for healthy communication and a tool to achieve better understandings with others. Many times I have found people to be extremely generous and helpful with their knowledge and experiences, and I am thankful for that.

Much respects to G-man for opening the door (let alone building it) and giving us the opportunity "to be here."

smile.gif

d

I'm very pleased to be here. Let's face it, at my age I'm very pleased to be anywhere.

(George Burns)

ivanjb

07-01-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:

How well do you think the site has done this? To what extent of an impact do you think the site has had in that regard?….And if you don’t think that it has done this well please explain why.

And also what ways if it has, do you think DHP could improve in this regard?
Interesting thread. I think about this subject now and then when trying to grasp the vibe and roots of the music knowledge on some of the European boards I frequent. This is the only American board I bother to visit now that the SHIZM board is gone.

This site has shown me tons with it's insane mix archives. The best dance music history lessons available.

I never felt any push of a black perspective but moreso symbols of pride sprinkled about the site and a wealth of knowledge on the boards. Gman has proven to be a very patient moderator from what I have seen. I stay away from the drama posts.

One board I go to based in the Netherlands is very white in that these kids grew up in Europe and the roots of their interest in dance music is far more New Wave or German Electro than it is soulful or black. You get guys up there who really know there shit when it comes to old italo disco. Many of them don't want to hear any congas or vocals but cream their jeans over Jesse Saunders type house beats. As their exposure to old Chicago stuff increases they are opening up to a blacker sound and experimenting with the dubby claps and blips of electrofunk. I like all of the aforementioned styles a lot and found it really interesting to learn on this site about the old BMX mixes and how they worked the italo bridge between the disco and house eras. To hear a dj work all three properly like Ron Hardy or Frankie Knuckles did is quite a gift!

One more note – ever get the chance check out Norman Jay’s crate Diggers forum? There is mad knowledge on that board. Two weeks back Patrick Adams showed up and schooled everyone.

That's the kind of stuff I dig about the internet.

Koffy Brown

07-01-2003, 01:00 PM

I am going to be very honest this site has been an eye opener for me as far as house music and what it involves...I know I can be very passionate about non house music issues...but I agree it's my opinion and the delivery can sometimes come off a little...ummm...wrong graemlins/rofl.gif but those who have met me in real life know for fact that it is truly about the love of my people first and the love of the music second...it's just me and it's just the way it is...I'd visited other house music websites but there was honestly no connection on those other sites for me...so learning the history of house from a primarily Black perspective was exciting...knowing that we had a great contribution to this music kind of helped me to understand why I was so connected....

Also, some of you may think I am lying...but before this site...I had a hard time partying with people who weren't Black or feeling it like I thought they should, now I've learned to appreciate that house music is just that house music...everyone take something different from it...and I can now not be so judgemental and go and get my party on with whomever....DHP is a great site with beautiful people of all races and ethnic backgrounds...

a few assholes sprinkled in but hey :D

fred da warrior

07-01-2003, 01:03 PM

If in the near future some one has enough foresight to create a House Music Musuem or House Hall of Fame, then G-Man and DHP should be the first member inducted.

I mean that.

I'm sure that G himself will chime in at some point and give his own version of the DHP "mission statement", but from where I sit, mission accomplished on both counts, i.e. looking at house (historical and cultural) from a "black perspective" (whatever definintion that means to you) and increasing his mix tape collection. This site has far exceeded expectations and etched its place in history. Even amongst all the drama and bullshit, friendships have been formed, networks have been created, some of the legends of the art post here frequently and 3000+ mofos from every walk of life post and lurk here from every corner in the globe everyday and we all have this silly ass dance music we love so much and hold in such high regard in common.

That's special to me. As I told G in a drunken rambling diatribe when he was in Chicago last time, "this site filled a void. Particularly in Chicago when the scene was REALLY dying."

Koffy Brown

07-01-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion:

In regards to mhd's post...I think DHP has shown that there isn't "a black perspective." But that there are "many black perspectives." Both about house music and the rest of the world. Bingo! We all don't look alike nor think alike. There are MANY perspectives that encompass a "black perspective" as there are that encompass "any" perspective. [/QB][/QUOTE]I totally agree...

fred da warrior

07-01-2003, 01:06 PM

Btw, great question, Jamie Lennox.

Martin Red

07-01-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... What about the europeans that heard bought and liked the Chicago sound mid eighties, there where a few, I know I know, that many paratroopers had landed and claimed some bullshit but there are pockets of truth (and don't think living in Chi or NY makes you exempt 100%) blaggers live all over the place, I don't blag, but when someone is telling me they where rocking house in 1986 and you know they're 25 .. we'll you do the maths graemlins/scared.gif .

Don't limit it by saying european either , there where people all over America who didn't have a clue about house until the 90's Black and white, even some of the europeans ;) can spot a snake in the grass and the blaggers, con people liers are quickly weeded out (that's a good reason to like DHP ) . , I know my own heart and soul and where it's at, I can sleep at night with that knowledge.

Why DHP

because there are enthuiasts - well known and not so well known, being themselves, rather than sucking elephant gis to get a smell of a well known producers ass, G Man hasn't promoted this, of cause respect is due, and it's given with no elephant gis involved.

DHP, wanted to re-address the balance as most websites are based in Europe, esp UK, G Man told a story well ! with words pictures audio, if you don't understand by now then trap now and stop wasting yours and everyone elses time.

Because it was a reflection of why House became so popular in the first place.

Because away from the music there are other things in common, house is one of the things , DHP post soon finds what lurks beneath.

because G Man ultimateley likes good music where ever it's from, he is an open minded person with a passion that doesn't make him close his ears to what is going elsewhere.

because, he'll post a hip hop mix by Pete Rock that is ****ing roasting hot because he likes it ! and doesn't get wrapped in the bullshit.

At the end of the day this site is a reflection of a gentlemen, DHP is the gentleman of House Websites.

Some others don't know what piece of cutlery to pick up for the appetiser. Some do of course, but in DEEPHOUSEPAGE.COM's case - it's simply delightfull.

Some lead others follow. :D

Thanks G Man, where do we send the $

[ July 01, 2003, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

And

07-01-2003, 01:16 PM

Before I joined the board and got into discussions with people, I was a bit hesitant about some of the reactions I would get based on some of the heated "Black" discussions going on here. Thinking (as Orion and Leslie have pointed out) that there really are many "Black" perspectives and mine is just one of many helped me get over that and join. I have no intentions of denying the Black involved in this music - but for me that "Black" perspective is also shared and felt by many who aren't Black. With regards to this thread and topic, I think of the "Black" perspective the same way I think of "House." Somewhat as a general term, inclusive of many different genres/races/styles etc, etc.
I think it's a great credit to the people on here that despite all the heated debates and misread intentions, we all keep coming back. Most of us hopefully to continue to learn. I know I've been pleasantly surprised when people have stepped outside of their perceptions (no matter how justified they felt) and tried again to understand. Agreeing to disagree really is a skill.
Overall ... I really dig the board. It's huge! You'd be surprised how much people are reading and learning even if they never comment or don't express themselves how they'd like.
Kudos to G-Man indeed ... just last night I was looking at the board and thinking: "What? someone just up and decided to do something of this magnitude so my ass can come on and complain, diss, laugh, whatever ..." Now that's House! :D

DJJM3.COM

07-01-2003, 01:33 PM

Its good to have many spectives of House....Without them, it would be pretty boring. Variety is the spice of life.

The problem comes in (as I found out first hand), is when one person will not respect or acknowledge the other perspective. THAT'S where the problem starts.......

In Chicago alone we have at least 4 views of House. Northside, Southside, Westside, Suburbs, etc.

Factor in NY, NJ, Boston, LA, Dallas, etc., and lets not forget Overseas.....

I was too, was guilty of shooting down other views. We must be at least tolerant, if not respectful to the other views. There is no right way in House...just House....my 2 cents......

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 01:36 PM

Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.

Please lets move forward the 'many perspective' stuff....its just semantics....

Continue....

Martin Red

07-01-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
Its good to have many spectives of House....Without them, it would be pretty boring. Variety is the spice of life.

The problem comes in (as I found out first hand), is when one person will not respect or acknowledge the other perspective. THAT'S where the problem starts.......

In Chicago alone we have at least 4 views of House. Northside, Southside, Westside, Suburbs, etc.

Factor in NY, NJ, Boston, LA, Dallas, etc., and lets not forget Overseas.....

I was too, was guilty of shooting down other views. We must be at least tolerant, if not respectful to the other views. There is no right way in House...just House....my 2 cents...... graemlins/respekt.gif
Perfect !

mhd

07-01-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.

Please lets move forward the 'many perspective' stuff....its just semantics....

Continue.... agreed, its semantics, but its a critical point, we are not monolithic

Ben.

07-01-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... What about the europeans that heard bought and liked the Chicago sound mid eighties, there where a few, I know I know, that many paratroopers had landed and claimed some bullshit but there are pockets of truth (and don't think living in Chi or NY makes you exempt 100%) blaggers live all over the place, I don't blag, but when someone is telling me they where rocking house in 1986 and you know they're 25 .. we'll you do the maths graemlins/scared.gif .
[/QUOTE]well I'm 25, well nearly 26 now, and european, I started listening to house in 1989. Mind you at the time it was on the tv, on the radio, in the pop charts. so its hardly suprising really. I got my first set of turntables in 1994.

ivanjb

07-01-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.
I don't think I understand this statement. Do you want replies focused on the black creation of and contribution to this music? Or commentary on the perspective of the webmaster and black members?

Just trying to help focus the thread...

[ July 01, 2003, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: ivanjb ]

DJJM3.COM

07-01-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
agreed, its semantics, but its a critical point, we are not monolithic Thank you.........

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.

Please lets move forward the 'many perspective' stuff....its just semantics....

Continue.... agreed, its semantics, but its a critical point, we are not monolithic [/QUOTE]Agreed.

I just didn’t word the question properly in that the monolithic idea of a black perspective was not intended.

Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by ivanjb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.
I don't think I understand this statement. Do you want replies focused on the black creation of and contribution to this music? Or commentary on the perspective of the webmaster and black members?

Just trying to help focus the thread... [/QUOTE]Look this is beginning to get into one of those what is black?… threads when I really don’t see the need for it.

I think there is an implied understanding of the term (at least for black folks).

Its not monolithic and also the term does not denote an aggregate of a group or a sum of people directly it is referring to a cultural product of a group or a sum of people.

Its ridiculous to assume that individuals on this board cannot make observations about the general aspects of black culture and house culture no matter how diverse or monolithic they are…..some may be wrong but it does not exclude that type of inquiry.

And

07-01-2003, 02:13 PM

Then admittedly I'm confused by your question Jamie. Could you give a few examples of the types of commentary you were hoping to read?
Or state some of the observations you have in mind.

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Bill Blake

07-01-2003, 02:23 PM

Jesus

The site was created to promote a black perspective (which like a philosphical perspective does not imply that there is only one) which also means focusing on the history and the black contributions to house which in fact, are the primary contributions to house (duh, its kinda a way one promotes a black perspective).

Has it done its job?

How well is it doing its job?

If its not doing its job well what needs to be done?

Even if it is doing its job well is there anything more you could think off?

Or anything related to those question in general and feel free to elaborate.

darrow

07-01-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Actually more than one....

Given that the site/board was created to promote/present house from a black perspective since it didn’t appear that even though this music is essentially black (by essentially I mean try to not let this thread turn into one of those what is black and house is universal bullshit threads)………..there was not any other websites promoting house from a black perspective before this one.

How well do you think the site has done this? To what extent of an impact do you think the site has had in that regard?….And if you don’t think that it has done this well please explain why.

And also what ways if it has, do you think DHP could improve in this regard?

But then, we all know the real reason Gman created the site was to increase his mix tape collection. I never knew the mission statement of DHP.

DHP is a good resource for DJ mixes, new releases, historical music information, dialog, and ideas...often if not usually by black contributors or at least ABOUT black contributors. You could say that DHP provides one-stop-shopping for all of these things.

I don't know if I could quantify the impact of DHP on House from the black perspective, but I would have to assume that DHP has had an impact. I'm sure that people on here..

* attend parties because they heard about them on DHP
* buy music (or at least preview music) because they heard it on dhp or saw conversation
* learned something about House because of a topic posted here

The things I just mentioned aren't necessarily about a black perspective, but it's not a stretch to assume that they could be - parties where blacks are the majority, music produced by blacks, etc.

I know that I have gotten good information here and also learned some things, though honestly, I think I've learned more about non-house stuff such as human interaction and the different opinions and perspectives on topics of sexuality, race, war, etc.

How could DHP improve to succeed in it's mission? Hmmm...

There are times when I've thought that the site's look and feel needs an overhaul..something fresh to make things feel fresh, but I'm not sure that this sort of change makes moving forward on the Mission any more successful.

I'd like to see more "famous" industry people contribute more. I often find it odd that certain voices (contributors that are often discussed) seem to be absent...or maybe they just post under unrecognizeable names). Maybe there could be a contribution each month from some industry person on a topic of their choice...a couple of paragraphs about something that resonates with that person? The person(s) could be invited by Gman to contribute to this monthly forum. I know there are interviews, but that is somewhat different to me.

That's all of my thoughts for now. :D

DJJM3.COM

07-01-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:

Has it done its job?

How well is it doing its job?

If its not doing its job well what needs to be done?

Even if it is doing its job well is there anything more you could think off?

Or anything related to those question in general and feel free to elaborate. Yes
Yes
Nothing
No
No

[ July 01, 2003, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: DJ JM3 ]

The Donger

07-01-2003, 02:34 PM

This site is great for providing black perspectives. And as far as history lessons go this site rules, as it offers up some of the "truest" house history possible, which is very black.

But I wonder what percentage of deeeep househeads that would visit this site don't already know the history is very black? My guess is that it is extremely small, as it is already marketed as a black site.

Do you think that if the above statement is true, that you may teach more people who really need to know the history by just offering the history as is (very black), while pursuing a much more intergrated image? Rather than saying, "This is a site for black perspectives", saying this is a site that offers "educated perpectives" on House?

Then perhaps if "teaching" is the goal, then we may be much more effective of teaching the roots because we would be targeting a much wider audience, one that doesn't necessarily know house roots are black? Since house = black, then it will shine through because of the good people that run this site, and the great documentation of the history.

Or is G trying to market this site to have a mostly black usership? That's fine too if that is the goal of the site.

ivanjb

07-01-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ivanjb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Again the point is not that there are one or many black perspectives but that there is A black perspective meaning the many black perspectives can be allowed to flourish but more importantly the black creation and contribution afterwards in this music.
I don't think I understand this statement. Do you want replies focused on the black creation of and contribution to this music? Or commentary on the perspective of the webmaster and black members?

Just trying to help focus the thread... [/QUOTE]Look this is beginning to get into one of those what is black?… threads when I really don’t see the need for it.

I think there is an implied understanding of the term (at least for black folks).

Its not monolithic and also the term does not denote an aggregate of a group or a sum of people directly it is referring to a cultural product of a group or a sum of people.

Its ridiculous to assume that individuals on this board cannot make observations about the general aspects of black culture and house culture no matter how diverse or monolithic they are…..some may be wrong but it does not exclude that type of inquiry. [/QUOTE]Just to clarify, I was asking not assuming.

The Donger

07-01-2003, 02:53 PM

The mission of this web site and message board is to honor and respect those who have made and are making great contributions to this scene. Constructive criticism is always welcome. Giving your opinion about what you don't like is welcome. Try to keep your criticisms and opinions respectful. If the message board gets out of balance with to many people spewing just hatred and negativity, I will intervene.

D J 1 3 8

07-01-2003, 02:55 PM

I was also unaware that there was a specific mission on the DHP to teach the black perspective. I just thought muh fvckaz was keeping it real...

I went looking for house heads / house history / house culture and I naturally assumed that it was mostly black folks who I would be vibing with /sharing with / learning from. For me, this has been true my whole life so I never noticed anything different here.

As for your questions, Jamie, the site is doing an excellent job at all those things. I'm not sure what could be changed to improve these accomplishments, other than perhaps promoting the board to a wider audience through daily spam attacks ;)

[ July 01, 2003, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: DJ 138 ]

Bold Soul

07-01-2003, 03:13 PM

As far as resistance, I've heard it all on this site.

There have been arguements about house's black American roots from non-black heads that consider European electronic music the pioneering influence.

There have also been many attempts to redefine house as "universal" and deride any attempts to attach a black consciousness to the music.

Granted, these arguements come from members who don't post every day (and who mostly post to promote their affairs and record labels), but it happens.

Ultimately, I've seen people begin as devided and eventually come together to mutually influence each other on so many occasions. As I've said before, it's the UN of music.

blackwax

07-01-2003, 03:21 PM

to me dhp has always been about music 1st and foremost! the fact that it is multicultural is important too. I don't now of any other music site that has such a large membership of black dj's,producers industry people and music lovers so I would say it gives a good representation of many different black views on music and life
but just as many views from whites asians ........
so I would say g-man has far exceeded his plan
i do know that everybody can learn something by posting on this board wich has to be a good thing
just my thoughts.

MusicFilter

07-01-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
I really think this site is the bomb!! The fact that you can connect with peeps that you don't know is dope to me. I have met people thru this board and feel like I know them once we meet to a certain degree. People have gotten gigs, found out about parties, listened to DJ s that they might never have heard etc. The only down side if there is one is that we can't seem to agree to disagree. All different walks of life, different races,cultures on a board passionately discussing something that we love.. TOPS IN MY BOOK!! My feelings exactly buddy! I guess you read my post on Jamie's earlier post. graemlins/acclaim.gif

imported_Gman

07-01-2003, 03:30 PM

Martin Red

07-01-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:

Has it done its job?

How well is it doing its job?

If its not doing its job well what needs to be done?

Even if it is doing its job well is there anything more you could think off?

Or anything related to those question in general and feel free to elaborate. Yes
Yes
Nothing
No
No [/QUOTE]" - ditto

graemlins/thumbsup.gif

We should be more worried about the Music press than this site, on the whole Jamie your kinda preaching to the converted mostly, or at least I hope.

For every decent post that matters on DHP there are 50 articles worldwide that spew bs. OK maybe not worldwide
graemlins/conf44.gif
but UK anyway (specially ?), I think it was Topester that pointed out when I was slating UK Mixmag recently in another thread, last month U.K Mixmag had actually stated that Muzik Box was in New York,, and the Gatecrasher Funky Hard brigade probably believed them.
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Oh well Muzik magazine has gone under now , 1 down ! graemlins/rofl.gif

This site has done much, I have learnt about how the sound evolved and what was played in clubs I could not attend, great insight and I thank the people on here for that.

It has made sense to me, pieced together what I hold dear to my heart and I respect that, G Man and members of distinction, hats off to you.

one "Artist of the day" is better than a £2.50 copy of Muzik, oooh you do a get "free CD" free 74 mins of music (whcih I don't begrudge :D ), and how about that times 1000 + :D , perhaps where they wnet wrong, they should have got their "Muzik" from the G.

graemlins/OLA.gif

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mhd

07-01-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
This site is great for providing black perspectives. And as far as history lessons go this site rules, as it offers up some of the "truest" house history possible, which is very black.

But I wonder what percentage of deeeep househeads that would visit this site don't already know the history is very black? My guess is that it is extremely small, as it is already marketed as a black site.

Do you think that if the above statement is true, that you may teach more people who really need to know the history by just offering the history as is (very black), while pursuing a much more intergrated image? Rather than saying, "This is a site for black perspectives", saying this is a site that offers "educated perpectives" on House?

Then perhaps if "teaching" is the goal, then we may be much more effective of teaching the roots because we would be targeting a much wider audience, one that doesn't necessarily know house roots are black? Since house = black, then it will shine through because of the good people that run this site, and the great documentation of the history.

Or is G trying to market this site to have a mostly black usership? That's fine too if that is the goal of the site. i think you are making the same mistake that meta made, it is "from" a black perspective not "for" a black perspective, second, i hesitate to say the board is "marketed", and i hesitate to endorse the idea of a "much wider audience"

imported_Gman

07-01-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
..The fact that you can connect with peeps that you don't know is dope to me. I have met people thru this board and feel like I know them once we meet to a certain degree. This is what blows me away to that I can come to a event and its like I know all these people that I have never met before and they are all nice.

-G

imported_Gman

07-01-2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by jsd540:
I believe this site is very successful at expressing the black perspective and at the same time I don't feel like I should not be part of the community.

I also believe that even through some of the discussions can get heated the only way to get an insight into someone elses experience is to discuss it, which at times can be uncomfortable and cause a rukus.

All in all big ups to gee... Thanks. This is indeed my hope that though things make get intense that people still feel like part of the community. The biggest thing for me is can people discuss these heated issues without personal attacks and name calling. I feel that we are getting better at it.

mdpm99

07-01-2003, 05:02 PM

I believe that this is starting to develop into "The Mother of all threads....."

A graemlins/thumbsup.gif to all....

smile.gif

d

Ps.

If you agree than "raise your mouse"

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Bold Soul

07-01-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
..The fact that you can connect with peeps that you don't know is dope to me. I have met people thru this board and feel like I know them once we meet to a certain degree. This is what blows me away to that I can come to a event and its like I know all these people that I have never met before and they are all nice.

-G [/QUOTE]We haven't met in person yet. ;)

Mah'chew

07-02-2003, 05:05 AM

There's many different schools of thought within this thing called House and everybody gets the chance to express themselves on DHP which is cool.

Most people come correct(history), while others try to break boundries (philosophy).

Because House is an emotional subject, deeply rooted in so many people's psyche it sometimes gets a little heated - everybody likes to fight for theirs and what they know.

I've learnt that people's persepective on House, like society in general, varies from country to country, race to race, city to city and block to block.

I'm sure you know what it means for you personally? When did you first heard that vibe, what it reminded you of, where it takes you, the escape, the community, the soul...

It means so much to so many.

The key is to stop and listen sometimes (go on a lurking spree!!!). You know that you know House, but you know House as it is in your own back yard - the key is to take on other people's experiences.

For this we are all still learning and I have personally felt that I've learnt more about House, not about the music (I got that down), but about the experience and what it means to people of different cultures, to Black American people in particular..

This is some complex stuff and GMan has given the world a window into this space.

The DHP is educational, you could say that's it's the Harvard of House.

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Insert pseudonym here

07-02-2003, 07:30 AM

Excellent post, Jaime.
I don't have an answer as of yet....
but this was one for the front lobe.
Kudos.

The Donger

07-02-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
This site is great for providing black perspectives. And as far as history lessons go this site rules, as it offers up some of the "truest" house history possible, which is very black.

But I wonder what percentage of deeeep househeads that would visit this site don't already know the history is very black? My guess is that it is extremely small, as it is already marketed as a black site.

Do you think that if the above statement is true, that you may teach more people who really need to know the history by just offering the history as is (very black), while pursuing a much more intergrated image? Rather than saying, "This is a site for black perspectives", saying this is a site that offers "educated perpectives" on House?

Then perhaps if "teaching" is the goal, then we may be much more effective of teaching the roots because we would be targeting a much wider audience, one that doesn't necessarily know house roots are black? Since house = black, then it will shine through because of the good people that run this site, and the great documentation of the history.

Or is G trying to market this site to have a mostly black usership? That's fine too if that is the goal of the site. i think you are making the same mistake that meta made, it is "from" a black perspective not "for" a black perspective, second, i hesitate to say the board is "marketed", and i hesitate to endorse the idea of a "much wider audience" [/QUOTE]Everything is "marketed" a certain way, to a certain extent, whether you realise you are doing it or not. You can agree or disagree, but this point isn't nearly as important asd the next.

Why wouldn't you want to attract a much wider audience MHD? I would hope we want to turn on as many people as possible to the music. Hear the mixes, read the interviews and see the history. Otherwise they are just getting it somewhere else, somewhere much less reliable. We've all seen some pretty scary "house facts" on the net.

imported_Chr_stopher

07-02-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Yes, that is because CERTAIN* members from this site thought it was funny to go to a certain website, which i am a member of and stir up all kinds of shit and picking on these kids with a not funny at all (but supposed to be) racist angry view and sign on with screen names like AFRIKKKA and other names simular and make ignorant and rude comments, so I see where people get a bad idea about the DHP.

[ July 02, 2003, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Christopher L. Aquilo ]

jimmymack-2000

07-02-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Yes, that is because CERTAIN* members from this site thought it was funny to go to a certain website, which i am a member of and stir up all kinds of shit and picking on these kids with a not funny at all (but supposed to be) racist angry view and sign on with screen names like AFRIKKKA and other names simular and make ignorant and rude comments, so I see where people get a bad idea about the DHP. [/QUOTE]Hmmm...I don't know anything about that. Also, for Martin and Ben, the "post-1994/European" reference comes admittedly from my own bias. The two are meant to be separated. I say "European" because Europe, especially the U.K., seemed to get house at first, and you'd hear a lot of British house in sets during the late-80s/early-90s--stuff like Richie Rich, T-Coy, Bang The Party and A Guy Called Gerald.

However, there was also a pronounced shift away from house after 1993 or so, led by labels like ffrr/London, who seemed to replace all their house acts with Orbital, Pizzaman, etc. Around this time, U.S. audiences seemed to majorly lose interest in house music as well, with the genre giving way to hip-hop/R&B.

The Donger

07-02-2003, 09:08 AM

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illiciumverum

07-02-2003, 09:12 AM

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The Donger

07-02-2003, 10:41 AM

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/nixweiss.gif

Martin Red

07-02-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Yes, that is because CERTAIN* members from this site thought it was funny to go to a certain website, which i am a member of and stir up all kinds of shit and picking on these kids with a not funny at all (but supposed to be) racist angry view and sign on with screen names like AFRIKKKA and other names simular and make ignorant and rude comments, so I see where people get a bad idea about the DHP. [/QUOTE]Hmmm...I don't know anything about that. Also, for Martin and Ben, the "post-1994/European" reference comes admittedly from my own bias. The two are meant to be separated. I say "European" because Europe, especially the U.K., seemed to get house at first, and you'd hear a lot of British house in sets during the late-80s/early-90s--stuff like Richie Rich, T-Coy, Bang The Party and A Guy Called Gerald.

However, there was also a pronounced shift away from house after 1993 or so, led by labels like ffrr/London, who seemed to replace all their house acts with Orbital, Pizzaman, etc. Around this time, U.S. audiences seemed to majorly lose interest in house music as well, with the genre giving way to hip-hop/R&B. [/QUOTE]fair points

mhd

07-02-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
This site is great for providing black perspectives. And as far as history lessons go this site rules, as it offers up some of the "truest" house history possible, which is very black.

But I wonder what percentage of deeeep househeads that would visit this site don't already know the history is very black? My guess is that it is extremely small, as it is already marketed as a black site.

Do you think that if the above statement is true, that you may teach more people who really need to know the history by just offering the history as is (very black), while pursuing a much more intergrated image? Rather than saying, "This is a site for black perspectives", saying this is a site that offers "educated perpectives" on House?

Then perhaps if "teaching" is the goal, then we may be much more effective of teaching the roots because we would be targeting a much wider audience, one that doesn't necessarily know house roots are black? Since house = black, then it will shine through because of the good people that run this site, and the great documentation of the history.

Or is G trying to market this site to have a mostly black usership? That's fine too if that is the goal of the site. i think you are making the same mistake that meta made, it is "from" a black perspective not "for" a black perspective, second, i hesitate to say the board is "marketed", and i hesitate to endorse the idea of a "much wider audience" [/QUOTE]Everything is "marketed" a certain way, to a certain extent, whether you realise you are doing it or not. You can agree or disagree, but this point isn't nearly as important asd the next.

Why wouldn't you want to attract a much wider audience MHD? I would hope we want to turn on as many people as possible to the music. Hear the mixes, read the interviews and see the history. Otherwise they are just getting it somewhere else, somewhere much less reliable. We've all seen some pretty scary "house facts" on the net. [/QUOTE]that is your point of view, not everyone shares the notion to attract a much wider audience, now the site has evolved to accomodate the demand, but there is no intent, imo, to turn on as many people as possible, imo, that is not house. this thing was always only for a few. the nature of the net is that if you want info its very easy to obtain, the history is here, and other places, notably Jahsonic's site.
check meast's response, who wants to go through that kind of resistance, we live that everyday, besides, pretty much everybody is here anyway.
as for marketed, i do disagree

djfunq

07-02-2003, 02:18 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:

Has it done its job?

How well is it doing its job?

If its not doing its job well what needs to be done?

Even if it is doing its job well is there anything more you could think off?

Or anything related to those question in general and feel free to elaborate.

------------------------------------------------

1. I'm only a few months on DHP, and as far as I can see it, it's doing it's job allright. Can it be better, hey, in future everything can be better. I can honestly say that it's an honor for me to be a part of this amazing site. Great people with each and everyone their own thoughts. Lots of knowledge around here, I can tell you that, lots of talent around here, I can tell you that, a good dose of humor, interesting Q's ans A's(not always but mostly ;) ), a totally respected moderator(peace G man) You did a hell of a fine job, conscious or not consciously creating the whole thing.
For me this is "THE MASSIVE HOUSEBRAIN OF ALL TIME" sharing, contributing, learning and/or whatever what's on your mind, it's like a little place in hell called heaven biggrinangel.gif ,what the f**k am I saying anyway. It's good to be here, thanks to each and everyone of you! Peace out,

Martin Red

07-03-2003, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by _Ben:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... What about the europeans that heard bought and liked the Chicago sound mid eighties, there where a few, I know I know, that many paratroopers had landed and claimed some bullshit but there are pockets of truth (and don't think living in Chi or NY makes you exempt 100%) blaggers live all over the place, I don't blag, but when someone is telling me they where rocking house in 1986 and you know they're 25 .. we'll you do the maths graemlins/scared.gif .
[/QUOTE]well I'm 25, well nearly 26 now, and european, I started listening to house in 1989. Mind you at the time it was on the tv, on the radio, in the pop charts. so its hardly suprising really. I got my first set of turntables in 1994. [/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

No one should have a problem with that, and my comments where aimed at the people who blag it.

Your in the UK I am sure you have also realised this by looking at DJ profiles for UK DJ's, people who where going to the Hacienda and you delve deeeper and fing out that where go to the Hac when they where 10, people DJ'ing for 10 years when they really started last year, or people talking about DJ at there youth club when they where 12 then they tell people they started in 1990, i just find that ammusing as these people are also the one stating the past don't matter.

Ben.

07-03-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by _Ben:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... What about the europeans that heard bought and liked the Chicago sound mid eighties, there where a few, I know I know, that many paratroopers had landed and claimed some bullshit but there are pockets of truth (and don't think living in Chi or NY makes you exempt 100%) blaggers live all over the place, I don't blag, but when someone is telling me they where rocking house in 1986 and you know they're 25 .. we'll you do the maths graemlins/scared.gif .
[/QUOTE]well I'm 25, well nearly 26 now, and european, I started listening to house in 1989. Mind you at the time it was on the tv, on the radio, in the pop charts. so its hardly suprising really. I got my first set of turntables in 1994. [/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

No one should have a problem with that, and my comments where aimed at the people who blag it.

Your in the UK I am sure you have also realised this by looking at DJ profiles for UK DJ's, people who where going to the Hacienda and you delve deeeper and fing out that where go to the Hac when they where 10, people DJ'ing for 10 years when they really started last year, or people talking about DJ at there youth club when they where 12 then they tell people they started in 1990, i just find that ammusing as these people are also the one stating the past don't matter. [/QUOTE]fair play Martin smile.gif I know plenty of people like that too

imported_Gman

07-03-2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
This site is great for providing black perspectives. And as far as history lessons go this site rules, as it offers up some of the "truest" house history possible, which is very black.

But I wonder what percentage of deeeep househeads that would visit this site don't already know the history is very black? My guess is that it is extremely small, as it is already marketed as a black site.

Do you think that if the above statement is true, that you may teach more people who really need to know the history by just offering the history as is (very black), while pursuing a much more intergrated image? Rather than saying, "This is a site for black perspectives", saying this is a site that offers "educated perpectives" on House?

Then perhaps if "teaching" is the goal, then we may be much more effective of teaching the roots because we would be targeting a much wider audience, one that doesn't necessarily know house roots are black? Since house = black, then it will shine through because of the good people that run this site, and the great documentation of the history.

Or is G trying to market this site to have a mostly black usership? That's fine too if that is the goal of the site. i think you are making the same mistake that meta made, it is "from" a black perspective not "for" a black perspective, second, i hesitate to say the board is "marketed", and i hesitate to endorse the idea of a "much wider audience" [/QUOTE]Everything is "marketed" a certain way, to a certain extent, whether you realise you are doing it or not. You can agree or disagree, but this point isn't nearly as important asd the next.

Why wouldn't you want to attract a much wider audience MHD? I would hope we want to turn on as many people as possible to the music. Hear the mixes, read the interviews and see the history. Otherwise they are just getting it somewhere else, somewhere much less reliable. We've all seen some pretty scary "house facts" on the net. [/QUOTE]that is your point of view, not everyone shares the notion to attract a much wider audience, now the site has evolved to accomodate the demand, but there is no intent, imo, to turn on as many people as possible, imo, that is not house. this thing was always only for a few. the nature of the net is that if you want info its very easy to obtain, the history is here, and other places, notably Jahsonic's site.
check meast's response, who wants to go through that kind of resistance, we live that everyday, besides, pretty much everybody is here anyway.
as for marketed, i do disagree [/QUOTE]I am actually resistant to this site attracting a broader audience. Too broad then it looses its original focus. Bigger is definitely not better.

The ever increasing popularity of the message board has caused me to restrict membership in order to keep it a managable size. Also members need a chance to get familiar with each other without the constant influx of new members. Once they get thru all the racial and political arguments guess whats left ;)

-G

GROOVE VICTIM

07-03-2003, 07:17 AM

My reasons for coming to this site was not only for the vast amount of music, but for the first time in about 6 years I was able to see the music and it's history from the black perspective. All of these house music sites were popping up all over the place, and it was a good thing. But what happen to all the brothas and sistas? Looking at images of people dancing in clubs and parties and there would be maybe 2 or 3 Black people in these photos, or none at all. Then I come to this site and I see many of us dancing, mixing, and having a good time.

Another reason for coming to this site was to learn about House music from the Chicago and Detroit perspective as compared to the New York, Jersey perspective. The lingo and terminology is a tad different when explaining the music depending on what region you come from but we're basically talking about the same thing.

Peace

mdpm99

07-03-2003, 07:27 AM

Gman's quote:

I am actually resistant to this site attracting a broader audience. Too broad then it looses its original focus. Bigger is definitely not better.

The ever increasing popularity of the message board has caused me to restrict membership in order to keep it a managable size. Also members need a chance to get familiar with each other without the constant influx of new members. Once they get thru all the racial and political arguments guess whats left"

-G

from David to Gman:

graemlins/respekt.gif

Thank you once again for your hospitality.

Music is Love,

David

If music be the food of love, play on.

--Shakespeare

[ July 03, 2003, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

housebe4titties

07-04-2003, 08:20 PM

i just want to drop in and say that i think the deephousepage and undergroundhouse.net are the best resources for house music on the web right now.
they balance each other out well.

graemlins/respekt.gif to g-man and ben for doing what you do. graemlins/beerchug.gif

Leanmean

07-04-2003, 11:11 PM

I've learned a lot about life from the black perspective on this board, which I never would have growing up here in Orlando with the few black friends I have. Thanks, black people.

I originally visited this site because a search engine brought me here when I typed in the word DISCO. What I discovered was HOUSE. I had never even heard of HOUSE. But I knew the disco roots very well. Thanks to everyone's patience and kindness on this board, me - a white 44 yo (at the time) gay woman - was able to learn about a type of music that was brand new to me. Of course, living in Orlando, there was never a HOUSE music time frame. In fact, HOUSE is a fairly new phenomenom in O'Town. Props to Maria!

Hell, I've even learned a new language! Props, peeps, mad love!

Anyway, thanks to this board, I have been reminded of some very old disco that I had forgotten about. For example, Eddie Kendricks's "Girl, You Need A Change of Mind." When I was 17, I danced to that in a gay after-hours club "underneath the strobe light."

I've made friends on this board that I BET if I came to Chicago or New York, I would be welcomed. I just think this is one of the two best music boards around. Thanks GMan. I am really glad this site is here. It feels like family.

Mah'chew

07-05-2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
I do remember that thread started by a guy from another house music site, one visited mostly by white European kids. Someone from here had gone to his site, read a thread complaining about how everyone on DHP was a "black racist," and started a counterthread here. He got wind of it, then came over and tried to do damage control by defending his site, the views therein, etc. It really underscored the difference (for me at least) between the African-American version of house and the post-1994/European one... Yes, that is because CERTAIN* members from this site thought it was funny to go to a certain website, which i am a member of and stir up all kinds of shit and picking on these kids with a not funny at all (but supposed to be) racist angry view and sign on with screen names like AFRIKKKA and other names simular and make ignorant and rude comments, so I see where people get a bad idea about the DHP. [/QUOTE]Hmmm...I don't know anything about that. Also, for Martin and Ben, the "post-1994/European" reference comes admittedly from my own bias. The two are meant to be separated. I say "European" because Europe, especially the U.K., seemed to get house at first, and you'd hear a lot of British house in sets during the late-80s/early-90s--stuff like Richie Rich, T-Coy, Bang The Party and A Guy Called Gerald.

However, there was also a pronounced shift away from house after 1993 or so, led by labels like ffrr/London, who seemed to replace all their house acts with Orbital, Pizzaman, etc. Around this time, U.S. audiences seemed to majorly lose interest in house music as well, with the genre giving way to hip-hop/R&B. [/QUOTE]fair points [/QUOTE]This is true, we saw the explosion of a subculture in the UK around this time and hit the mainstream, everybody wanted house. I would liken it to the way Disco blew up in the US and every major wanted a piece of that. Creating the situation where the original philosphy and sound of this movement was diluted for a specific audience...In the mid nineties in the UK 50% of the the national charts was dance oriented and it was mostly toss, but lets not also forget we had also given the likes of Ten City, Risque III, Farley and Steve Silk Hurley top ten national hits in the late-eighties...

Byron Long

07-06-2003, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Jesus

The site was created to promote a black perspective (which like a philosphical perspective does not imply that there is only one) which also means focusing on the history and the black contributions to house which in fact, are the primary contributions to house (duh, its kinda a way one promotes a black perspective).

Has it done its job?

How well is it doing its job?

If its not doing its job well what needs to be done?

Even if it is doing its job well is there anything more you could think off?

Or anything related to those question in general and feel free to elaborate. Its done its job because G-Man has stayed focused and steered this quality resource with its bonifide contributors and mixes that have stayed true to the foundations of house.
Those who get it use it and love it - be they black,white,yellow or green.
It would be fair to say that a black perspective provides the undercurrent to the page by being the entrenched history that is house.
Whether or not the page was set up to promote a black perspective is arbitrary - I certainly dont get that out of it. If this was G-Mans intention then maybe he needs to make that clearer.
From the 'mission' statement on the opening page it makes no reference to this. Its just a real house music site for house music lovers (the only one in the world).

You know the page is doing its job so what exactly is your point ?