Interracial Relationships

[Koffy Brown]

Good Morning,

Thanks for all the posts. But I need to clarify something, Ashaki does not have a problem meeting men. Black men...NO I haven't met the one that's right for me, but none the less. I think some of you got my point and some were off base. I don't sit around all disgruntled that he's married to so and so and he's dating her. That's not it at all, but I do think about this on more of a "whole" than "individual" basis..none the less thanks for your responses...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
i dont discriminate, white, latin , asian, black whateverrr its all the same just different color graemlins/1luvu.gif but ive never dated a black woman.Actually the color is the same ..Pink :D

[ngeso]

all, please read an excellent contribution to this theme by Randall Kennedy. a long-y, but a good-y.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/kennedy.htm

peace. ngeso.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I may be wrong about this but if I am I know someone will correct me...

the difference between successful black women and successful black men, is that once black men become successful, they seek and marry white women. successful black women have a tendancy to seek out successful black men... brothers act as if white women are their trophy for success...jmoYou are wrong..Why don't you survey the "Successful" Black men on this board ..This board tends to represent the world as a whole. So the stats will probably correct. If not, have you done the research yourself? If what you are syaing is true, then in a few years there will be no Black or White communities. It will all be mixed. And we know that is hogwash. To quote a line from "Save the last dance"..."You can't help who you love"

[Fletch]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
Good Morning,

Thanks for all the posts. But I need to clarify something, Ashaki does not have a problem meeting men. Black men...NO I haven't met the one that's right for me, but none the less. I think some of you got my point and some were off base. I don't sit around all disgruntled that he's married to so and so and he's dating her. That's not it at all, but I do think about this on more of a "whole" than "individual" basis..none the less thanks for your responses...If you think about this on a "whole" basis, then you may have to consider other factors. It is said that a large percentage of Black men are incarcerated. I don't know if that is the case, but if so, that could be another factor with respect to Black men. To contribute the lack of availability exclusively on interracial choices may not be necessarily correct.

As a Black man, I still think, despite those factors stated above, that there are still a lot of positive Brothas that are out there. And yes, we do have to address the problems that may be plaguing Black men, such as incarceration, unemployment, etc. But I still think some positive cats are out there. Some people brought up certain events (Bayou Classic, Martha's Vinyard, etc). I go to Penn Relays every year in Philly, and meet a whole bunch of positive Black people.

Ashaki, we do have to address the "whole" problems within the Black Communities. But you know what? despite the negatives, we still here! We still strong! Peace.

[Wild i]

Have any of you ever noticed that if you have 100 successful Black men and their wives in the room and 2 of the wives are White, the murmur starts up about trophy wives, etc?

BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?

Oh the looks I used to get when I stepped out with my fine Latin husband. I don't know if it was because he's Latin and I'm Black; he's skinny and I'm fat; he's soft and I'm kinda hard(ish). I prefer to think it's because we looked so damned good together even as opposite as we are. As big as I've always been (although I'm much bigger now) and as skinny as he's always been, he's always made me feel small and even dainty, safe and protected. That's much more important to me than the color of his skin.

I understand the concern about interracial dating in so sparse a dating pool. I understand the concern about interracial dating in so polarized a community. But I can't help feel that if I let those outside influences define the limits of my love, I've lost far more that I would by race mixing.

A brother once confided in me that the true love of his life is Latina, but he just couldn't cross the line. He regrets it to this day, but to this day still can't cross the line. I think that's sad, don't you?

Someone on this board has a sign-off "Dance like no one's watching" (Is it you, liL Ray?) I say love the same way. Lead with your heart and the rest of you will follow.

[Koffy Brown]

I agree with you, I know that there are some good, positive Brothas out there. I will not meet a man a Martha’s Vineyard, cause I won’t be going to MV, ain’t my type of hype. I prefer the islands or the beach. An average brotha who makes an honest living, who is motivated about life and ambitious, respectful of himself and others, an activist for a cause is just fine by me.

[C hristian]

some one clue me in please with MV. Something going on there? and might this mean that House music has gone to the islands ? A Carley Simon remix?

like there might possibly be some kind of cultural/social turn-around where i grew up worth investigating?

thanks, c

[ February 21, 2003, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: C hristian ]

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by einnod23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
If you think about this on a "whole" basis, then you may have to consider other factors. It is said that a large percentage of Black men are incarcerated. I don't know if that is the case, but if so, that could be another factor with respect to Black men. To contribute the lack of availability exclusively on interracial choices may not be necessarily correct.

As a Black man, I still think, despite those factors stated above, that there are still a lot of positive Brothas that are out there. And yes, we do have to address the problems that may be plaguing Black men, such as incarceration, unemployment, etc. But I still think some positive cats are out there. Some people brought up certain events (Bayou Classic, Martha's Vinyard, etc). I go to Penn Relays every year in Philly, and meet a whole bunch of positive Black people.

Ashaki, we do have to address the "whole" problems within the Black Communities. But you know what? despite the negatives, we still here! We still strong! Peace.</font>[/QUOTE]You are right, and I want us to remain Strong!!

[Koffy Brown]

I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.

[ February 21, 2003, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: Ashaki ]

[Leslie]

Originally posted by C hristian:
some one clue me in please with MV. Something going on there? and might this mean that House music has gone to the islands ? A Carley Simon remix?

like there might possibly be some kind of cultural/social turn-around where i grew up worth investigating?

thanks, cAhh the Vinyard - the infamous Martha's Vinyard - this (along with Sag Harbor, Long Island) was/is long a playground for the rich black folks many of whom OWN houses in both areas. For the most part these areas of "fun in the sun" are where you will meet a plethora of people who have summered together for many years, are of the same educational, social, economic background - yea bougie but trust me not always the case with everyone you meet in either place. I have been out to both numerous times, have friends that spent all their summers in both places and they are all down to earth - but of course that is my group of friends.

[Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge]

How about addressing the notion that women (regardless of color, culture and socioeconomic status) have been taught through the ages that they are not complete human beings unless they have a man.

That is utter bullshit to me. A Woman does not need a man to vailidate herself.

Also, the notion of Romantic love is a social construct that is fairly new in human history. Before "romance" people just procreated to preserve their tribes and to survive against a harsh world.

[ February 21, 2003, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: serge ]

[darrow]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.Wow...what a thread.

I was wondering...why do you believe that black men don't put as much effor into dating and loving black men as they do white women? (maybe you answered this somewhere in the previous 11 pages but that's a lot of reading! smile.gif ) That's a very broad statement, isn't it?

In this racially diverse yet racially divided city of DC, I see lots of effort expended from brothas towards sistas (and vice versa). There is definitely a black singles scene here and that to me would indicate there is at least a basic interest in black men and women together, wouldn't it? If it's true that black men "try harder" with white women, wouldn't I see more mixed (racially) singles scenes? Wouldn't I see more interracial couples?

This whole thread started with the assertion that there is an epidemic of black men fleeing to white women, but I still don't understand how that assertion became Truth and Fact.

[ February 21, 2003, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: darrow ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.i believe your observations are false

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by Wild i:
BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?
We(the fellas at work and myself)talked about that last week. There is many women that would not find Patrick Ewing handsome on a clear sunny day. Or John Salley. But, Patrick's wife is gorgeous(that don't mean she is not smart)and Salley openly admitted to getting plenty of tail.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.Wow...what a thread.

I was wondering...why do you believe that black men don't put as much effor into dating and loving black men as they do white women? (maybe you answered this somewhere in the previous 11 pages but that's a lot of reading! smile.gif ) That's a very broad statement, isn't it?

In this racially diverse yet racially divided city of DC, I see lots of effort expended from brothas towards sistas (and vice versa). There is definitely a black singles scene here and that to me would indicate there is at least a basic interest in black men and women together, wouldn't it? If it's true that black men "try harder" with white women, wouldn't I see more mixed (racially) singles scenes? Wouldn't I see more interracial couples?

This whole thread started with the assertion that there is an epidemic of black men fleeing to white women, but I still don't understand how that assertion became Truth and Fact.</font>[/QUOTE]It's not fact, but it's my opinion that I believe to be true. Nothing more or less, and for the record I am just as passionate about other social issues that directly involve Black people..

[mhd]

Originally posted by Wild i:
Have any of you ever noticed that if you have 100 successful Black men and their wives in the room and 2 of the wives are White, the murmur starts up about trophy wives, etc?

BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?

.i don't know if you are right or not, i do know that what you wrote is an assumption and a stereotype, and like a lot of comments here its unsupported, although provable with some effort.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.i believe your observations are false</font>[/QUOTE]You don't have to believe my observation...but you are definitely entitled to your opinion...

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by serge:
How about addressing the notion that women (regardless of color, culture and socioeconomic status) have been taught through the ages that they are not complete human beings unless they have a man.

That is utter bullshit to me. A Woman does not need a man to vailidate herself.

Also, the notion of Romantic love is a social construct that is fairly new in human history. Before "romance" people just procreated to preserve their tribes and to survive against a harsh world.Who said that a woman needed a man to validate her womanhood...although alot of women believe this, I don't. so maybe I missed your point on this one...

Romantic love...or Love as we know it...however, whatever...

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I am not wanting or trying to limit someone from loving who they love. If your heart and love is for whomever then so be it. It’s your life, you have to be happy. I am aware I can’t live your life for you. But as a Black woman, I would love to see Brothas truly loving Black women like they love other women. I want to see healthy loving relationships between Black men and Black women. I want to see healthy, strong, surviving, functional friendships, relationships, marriages and families between Black men and Black women. I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesome, but we no that’s not the case, so I’m not saying that at all. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.i believe your observations are false</font>[/QUOTE]You don't have to believe my observation...but you are definitely entitled to your opinion...</font>[/QUOTE]believe it or not, your opinion matters, believe it or not, some may consider you an expert on this subject. my experience and observations are very different than yours. How do you even define black? are you limiting it to blacks in america? you are in Cincy right? there is a huge world with a huge gene pool of very diverse "black" people in it. i get the feeling you would have a problem with a lot of totally "black" combos out there. broaden your scope - like malcolm

[The Buddy Love Show]

wheres the white women?

[The Buddy Love Show]

"we wanna dance with yo dates"

[The Buddy Love Show]

"this is some prime alabama black snake,but it ain't too bookooo" (beacoup, natch)

[bombay records]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesomeSubstitute "White" for "Black" and hear how it sounds. Scary, right?

[darrow]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
It's not fact, but it's my opinion that I believe to be true. Nothing more or less, and for the record I am just as passionate about other social issues that directly involve Black people..[/QB]Your response made me think that I worded my post poorly.

When I read your comment, I wondered how it is that you arrived at your belief. (I'm assuming that since you believe what you said, that you essentially hold it to be true/fact for you, otherwise why believe it?). Questions popped up in my head...Have you had direct experience with men who dated you and then dated white women and you noticed a perceived change in effort from them when dating these women?...or...Do you have many friends who have had this type of experience?...or...is there some study that followed the dating behavior of black men that helped you arrive at your belief?

I'm usually interested in how people arrive at generalizations.

(In case you are mis-reading my tone, it isn't sarcasm or aggression. I just tend to wonder aloud)

Also, I'm not trying to get in your biz. smile.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

"we got pussy for a dollar....we got black pussy, white pussy, latino pussy, chinese pussy, teenage pussy, old pussy, bald pussy, hairy pussy, juicy pussy, chicken pussy, duck pussy....right now we are having a pussy special if you buy one piece of pussy you get another of equal or lesser value for only a buck...if you can find better pussy - **** IT"

or something like that

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by bombay records:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesomeSubstitute "White" for "Black" and hear how it sounds. Scary, right?</font>[/QUOTE]you can take off the pointy white hats but ya can't hide the pointy heads

[Leslie]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
wheres the white women?The Negrows stole our dates!! graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
"this is some prime alabama black snake,but it ain't too bookooo" (beacoup, natch)You ain't right man!!! "Full Metal Jacket".

graemlins/rofl.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Lets get real...how many women are actually struggling to catch some cock...most cats will **** a keyhole if they werent afraid the door might open

yeah i know it aint about a physical thing....suure...as steve martin so aptly parodied in "The Man with Two Brains"

sistahs need to stop being so ****ing picky...cause while y'all are being picky i'se is playin stickysticky...and pussy ain't got no race its just pink (actually its red when i'm done tearing that shit up like a mad mastiff in a meat locker)

[Friday]

Originally posted by bombay records:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesomeSubstitute "White" for "Black" and hear how it sounds. Scary, right?</font>[/QUOTE]Who do multi-racial people date and marry?

[mhd]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bombay records:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
If it could be that every Black man dated and married only Black women, I think that would be awesomeSubstitute "White" for "Black" and hear how it sounds. Scary, right?</font>[/QUOTE]Who do multi-racial people date and marry?</font>[/QUOTE]men or women

[The Buddy Love Show]

"Ya see originaly sicilians were like wops from northern italy.....and those Moors did so much banging of white women that it changed the gene pool forever...and thats why blonde hair and blue eyes,became dark eyes and dark skin...you can check, its a fact

BLAM BLAM BLAM

what happened

he called Don Italianbadguys mother a nigger"

or something like that

[The Buddy Love Show]

no wonder Dalmations are so twitchy....

(thats factual, they are terrible childrens dogs)

[mhd]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
"Ya see originaly sicilians were like wops from northern italy.....and those Moors did so much banging of white women that it changed the gene pool forever...and thats why blonde hair and blue eyes,became dark eyes and dark skin...you can check, its a fact

BLAM BLAM BLAM

what happened

he called Don Italianbadguys mother a nigger"

or something like thatclassic! "True Romance" Dennis Hopper talking to Christopher Walken

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Who do Multi racial people marry? What races are you talking about when you talk about being multi racial?

[The Buddy Love Show]

hell...i'd like to have an interracial interanal intercourse with J LOpez

hot damn

i'd crawl across the glass littered midday tarmac in death valley, just to jerk off on her shadow

[mhd]

you always say the things i think

[The Buddy Love Show]

"you aint so black"

"and you ain't so white"

who's the black private dick who's a sex machine with ALL the chicks

[Wild i]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
Have any of you ever noticed that if you have 100 successful Black men and their wives in the room and 2 of the wives are White, the murmur starts up about trophy wives, etc?

BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?

.i don't know if you are right or not, i do know that what you wrote is an assumption and a stereotype, and like a lot of comments here its unsupported, although provable with some effort.</font>[/QUOTE]Come again? It's not so much an opinion as an observation. Not so much a stereotype as an overall perception. A count of actual numbers (trophy-looking wives in the NBA to non) may prove my hypothesis wrong, but that does not invalidate it as a hypothesis.

My assumption is that you are addressing primarily the trophy wife issue. Am I right?

[The Buddy Love Show]

tell you the truth i'm more concerned about interspecies relationships...i keep getting junk e-mail from places like FarmGirls.com....them big horse dicks can make a bro feel inadequate

[The Buddy Love Show]

ya know what i like about trophy wives...ya shine em when ya want ,they stay where ya put em and they keep very quiet...now thats a woman

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
ya know what i like about trophy wives...ya shine em when ya want ,they stay where ya put em and they keep very quiet...now thats a womanheh heh heh

[ngeso]

@Buddy Love

graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/lol.gif
stop it with the quotes already!!! i am dying from laughing graemlins/lol.gif
[ did they tell you you're entitled to HALF of all his sh*t? .........Eddieee, EDIIIIEEEE...i wann talk to youuuu... ]

[MC]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I have a difficult time with interracial relationshipHow can you speak these words, then praise Malcom X a day later? I mean if you believe in Malcolm words why would you have a problem with interracial relations!!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/red_eyes.gif

[julian_kelly]

How can you say that black men arent putting effort into loving/dating black women when you previously said that you have no problem getting dates with black men?

Where do you live?

Culturally and race wise, what type of people did you grow up around?

How often have you been in life situations where diverse black people have been the majority?

Demographically what type of black people have you been primarily been around the most? Poor, middle class, rich, blue collar, white collar, conservative, liberal, pan africanists? Baps, bohemians, bohos? Country? city? ghetto? Blacks from the north, south, east, midwest, from us, not from us?

From your posts, I think that your experiences have been extremely limited. From my experiences and the experiences of my peers and family, as well as many people on this board, I find your statement below to be extremely false. It may be in your 50 mile radius demographic, but not nation wide...and Ive had the experince of visiting just about every major city in the united states in addition to overseas.

Im not saying that your experinces arent real. Ive seen first hand what youve seen in my travels to Minnesota, California and Washington; but please dont imply continuously thats brothas dont date/act like they love sistas world wide. It may be like that in your environment, but not everywhere.

To say that the majority of black men (which I feel you have implied) dont put time into loving black women is extremely insulting to me. Lets be careful about generalizations. Maybe a major change in environment is in order for you.

peace
julian kelly


Originally posted by Ashaki:
I want to see Brothas putting just as much effort into dating and loving Black women as they do white women and other women, and for us to pretend that we are doing this would be a lie. I believe that my observations of this situation is real.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I have a difficult time with interracial relationshipHow can you speak these words, then praise Malcom X a day later? I mean if you believe in Malcolm words why would you have a problem with interracial relations!!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/red_eyes.gif</font>[/QUOTE]What does believing Malcom's words have to do with interracial relationships...

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I have a difficult time with interracial relationshipHow can you speak these words, then praise Malcom X a day later? I mean if you believe in Malcolm words why would you have a problem with interracial relations!!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/red_eyes.gif</font>[/QUOTE]What does believing Malcom's words have to do with interracial relationships...</font>[/QUOTE]It has to do with what he preached after he made his pilgrimage to Mecca and what he saw and experienced.

[The Buddy Love Show]

muhmuhmuhmuh Malcolm did like some white pussy...yes indeed he did

Wheres the white hoes at?

[MC]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I have a difficult time with interracial relationshipHow can you speak these words, then praise Malcom X a day later? I mean if you believe in Malcolm words why would you have a problem with interracial relations!!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/red_eyes.gif</font>[/QUOTE]What does believing Malcom's words have to do with interracial relationships...</font>[/QUOTE]Well Malcolm...was very open about differnt races.

[MC]

Malcolm said that we should be judged by our character, rather than the color of our skin. So if a Black man dates a White lady or someone outside his race, why should YOU judge that man or that woman without even knowing them? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gif

[ February 21, 2003, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Michael J. Carmona ]

[Friday]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
muhmuhmuhmuh Malcolm did like some white pussy...yes indeed he did

Wheres the white hoes at?Geez .... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
muhmuhmuhmuh Malcolm did like some white pussy...yes indeed he did

Wheres the white hoes at?Geez .... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]wha?

he didn't bang some white ass?

or

there's no white hoes out there someplace?

[Koffy Brown]

Well you can interpret Malcom's words to fit your comfort level...and I to fit mine...we obviously disagree...

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I have a difficult time with interracial relationshipHow can you speak these words, then praise Malcom X a day later? I mean if you believe in Malcolm words why would you have a problem with interracial relations!!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/red_eyes.gif</font>[/QUOTE]What does believing Malcom's words have to do with interracial relationships...</font>[/QUOTE]It has to do with what he preached after he made his pilgrimage to Mecca and what he saw and experienced.</font>[/QUOTE]Understand exactly what Malcom preached after his journey ...I am not confused at all about my beliefs....

[ February 21, 2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Ashaki ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

i'm sorry if it upsets...but even that BLACK HERO Malcolm X one night got up, scratched his ass, went to the club and said

"wheres da white women?"

and then he macked that bitch like mayor McCheese

[MC]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
Well you can interpret Malcom's words to fit your comfort level...and I to fit mine...we obviously disagree...I guess... graemlins/stupid.gif What part of this has more than one meaning? "We should be judged by our character, rather than the color of our skin". I think Ignorance is the Epidemic!!

[ February 21, 2003, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: Michael J. Carmona ]

[C hristian]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Ahh the Vinyard - the infamous Martha's Vinyard - this (along with Sag Harbor, Long Island) was/is long a playground for the rich black folks many of whom OWN houses in both areas. For the most part these areas of "fun in the sun" are where you will meet a plethora of people who have summered together for many years, are of the same educational, social, economic background - yea bougie but trust me not always the case with everyone you meet in either place. I have been out to both numerous times, have friends that spent all their summers in both places and they are all down to earth - but of course that is my group of friends.so what are the vineyard clubs playing?

are you telling me that all i had to do all those years was just get on the ferry?

growing up on the Cape, let's just say that there wasn't much by way of black culture. (I'm now being polite here as I now know that Ivan hasn't gotten off the dune yet.)

[The Buddy Love Show]

I have a question

if you are black,and live in alaska and you run out of lotion.....does that make you interracial or just real ashy?

just askin

[mhd]

Originally posted by C hristian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Ahh the Vinyard - the infamous Martha's Vinyard - this (along with Sag Harbor, Long Island) was/is long a playground for the rich black folks many of whom OWN houses in both areas. For the most part these areas of "fun in the sun" are where you will meet a plethora of people who have summered together for many years, are of the same educational, social, economic background - yea bougie but trust me not always the case with everyone you meet in either place. I have been out to both numerous times, have friends that spent all their summers in both places and they are all down to earth - but of course that is my group of friends.so what are the vineyard clubs playing?

are you telling me that all i had to do all those years was just get on the ferry?

growing up on the Cape, let's just say that there wasn't much by way of black culture. (I'm now being polite here as I now know that Ivan hasn't gotten off the dune yet.)</font>[/QUOTE]broaden your scope, don't call it a comeback

[lola desire]

i will start by saying that i haven't read the whole thread, but i'm amazed at how the topic is exploding. so with that, here's my contribution.

i don't care what other people do with their lives, but i just hope it makes them happy. i would like to talk about why i haven't wanted to date anyone non-black thus far. the main reason is that it is challenging enough to date someone from a different culture, much less an entirely different race.

i am black and i was born in georgetown, guyana, south america. my parents came to the states when i was two and i've grown up here ever since. all except for one of my boyfriends has been black american and even though i grew up here and i have been well introduced to black american culture, it is still a challenge to date someone from a different culture.

being with my husband, who is black and was born and raised in chicago, has STILL been a challenge. we have worked through some VERY fundamental issues that are cultural / family oriented. these are things that we were able to work through in order to stay together. even though we had some difficulties, there are some things that i would NEVER have to explain to him, because we are both black.

the race issues in this country are deep. for me, dating (and eventually marrying) someone black makes facing the challenges of a committed relationship a lot easier to manage.

[formerly known as kenspank]

cosmopolitan americans seem to assume that you can just mixandmatch people based on skin color alone.

color and hair texture imply different genetic responses to this earth environment based on geographic location.

location, environment, and food tend to influence the world view, culture, and language.

culture and language are a function of experience.

different cultures and languages imply that we don't think homogeneously and that are social rules, taboos, and ettiquette aren't homogeneous.

so below the surface and because of the surface human beings are complex beings that form bonds with others based on shared experiences.

its not as simple as just swapping colors around.
people are more than color and hair texture. we have thoughts and feelings and beliefs.

and in long term relationships, those thoughts and beliefs have to be compatible or you can't live harmoniously for long.

case in point.....those silly white women who marry those dudes from saudi arabia. then go crying to barbara walters about how when they went to saudi arabia with their husband, they found out that the customs in saudi arabia are different than in the US and now they can't get their kids out of saudi arabia without their husbands consent. they should've done their homework about their husband's culture before hand instead of believing in that united colors of benetton shit.

also, i'm sure the indigenous people of argentina would have liked to have known that their european invaders were carriers of small pox and influenza before 95% of them got wiped out. funny what you find out when you get to know someone a little better.

in conclusion, i have a hard enough time marrying the cultures of my family, who primarily spent the last few hundred years in mississippi, with the culture of my wife's family who is from south america. we're both black and genetic research could probably tie our ancestry back to some neighboring spot in west africa. our cultures are a continent apart and their are many similarites between them, but there are also differences. and those differences are surprisingly signficant. dating is one thing. most people don't get to know each other beyond a certain level while dating. but when you start analyzing differences in upbringing and what have you, things can get challenging and skin color only scratches the surface of what's awaiting you.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by lola desire:
i will start by saying that i haven't read the whole thread, but i'm amazed at how the topic is exploding. so with that, here's my contribution.

i don't care what other people do with their lives, but i just hope it makes them happy. i would like to talk about why i haven't wanted to date anyone non-black thus far. the main reason is that it is challenging enough to date someone from a different culture, much less an entirely different race.

i am black and i was born in georgetown, guyana, south america. my parents came to the states when i was two and i've grown up here ever since. all except for one of my boyfriends has been black american and even though i grew up here and i have been well introduced to black american culture, it is still a challenge to date someone from a different culture.

being with my husband, who is black and was born and raised in chicago, has STILL been a challenge. we have worked through some VERY fundamental issues that are cultural / family oriented. these are things that we were able to work through in order to stay together. even though we had some difficulties, there are some things that i would NEVER have to explain to him, because we are both black.

the race issues in this country are deep. for me, dating (and eventually marrying) someone black makes facing the challenges of a committed relationship a lot easier to manage.Lola, if you get the chance read some of the responses...some very good input...

peace

[mhd]

Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
Have any of you ever noticed that if you have 100 successful Black men and their wives in the room and 2 of the wives are White, the murmur starts up about trophy wives, etc?

BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?

.i don't know if you are right or not, i do know that what you wrote is an assumption and a stereotype, and like a lot of comments here its unsupported, although provable with some effort.</font>[/QUOTE]Come again? It's not so much an opinion as an observation. Not so much a stereotype as an overall perception. A count of actual numbers (trophy-looking wives in the NBA to non) may prove my hypothesis wrong, but that does not invalidate it as a hypothesis.

My assumption is that you are addressing primarily the trophy wife issue. Am I right?</font>[/QUOTE]my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buy

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
Have any of you ever noticed that if you have 100 successful Black men and their wives in the room and 2 of the wives are White, the murmur starts up about trophy wives, etc?

BTW, trophy wives come in all colors. Someone mentioned the NBA earlier. How many NBA wives have you seen who are thick and coarse, nappy and loud? Most of them more closely resemble Michael Michelle than Whoopi Goldberg, am I right?

.i don't know if you are right or not, i do know that what you wrote is an assumption and a stereotype, and like a lot of comments here its unsupported, although provable with some effort.</font>[/QUOTE]Come again? It's not so much an opinion as an observation. Not so much a stereotype as an overall perception. A count of actual numbers (trophy-looking wives in the NBA to non) may prove my hypothesis wrong, but that does not invalidate it as a hypothesis.

My assumption is that you are addressing primarily the trophy wife issue. Am I right?</font>[/QUOTE]my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buy</font>[/QUOTE]WELL! I would HOPE that for what it costs to join the 'ballers club', that they're getting the most value for their ballin' dollas!

[ February 21, 2003, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[SPG]

Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG

[ February 21, 2003, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]its another way of saying income expands options, its also an unfair generalization of people who fall in love, regardless of height, loot, profession or lack of intelligence

[beemoe44]

I`ve been away for awhile. I`m surprised that you are having a deep discussion about race. I thought this only happened on the hip-hop sites. Good discussion,folks.
I think interracial dating/relationships are good. I live in the Bay Area,nobody really pays those race lines too much attention when it comes to dating/relationships. Maybe in other places but not in SF.

[Nege]

I have been seeing a venusian for five years now and still people stare at us all the time
maybe it's that third nose that she has.
or maybe it's the 4 noses on our kid.

[mrbillpeewee]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ashaki:
[QB]You know what, I will not come on here and sing Kumbaya and We Are the World, because in my reality it ain't like that...

If you found love in a mate other than a Black woman and you are a Black man...so be it, my question is to the Brotha's, what is it that we as Black women are doing wrong? Are you just interested in women of other races? Are we not attracted to you? What is the deal? Black out sorry

graemlins/acclaim.gif graemlins/stupid.gif

[ February 22, 2003, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: mrbillpeewee ]

[Fletch]

Yo, I got this story from today, and I got to tell it.

Going home from work, I saw this sister at Broadway-Nassau station in Manhattan. She was mad fine, looked and dressed real well, and had two very heavy Louis Vitton bags on her shoulder. At first I didn't want to approach her. But I saw the "damsel in distress", and I just had to say "can I help you with your bags?" She was very sweet, and said, No, but please get the train for me.

So I ran downstairs to hold the A train. Problem was that both uptown and downtown were there, so I yelled back "Which one"? She replied, "Uptown". With my little assistance, she was able to get on the Uptown A. Unfortunately, I was going downtown. So be it.

The moral to this story is this: If one little action can help make a sista's day or change a sista's life, so be it. I hope that made an impact. Peace.

[SPG]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]its another way of saying income expands options, its also an unfair generalization of people who fall in love, regardless of height, loot, profession or lack of intelligence</font>[/QUOTE]Understand the term but what's the criteria?

SPG

[mhd]

Originally posted by einnod23:
Yo, I got this story from today, and I got to tell it.

Going home from work, I saw this sister at Broadway-Nassau station in Manhattan. She was mad fine, looked and dressed real well, and had two very heavy Louis Vitton bags on her shoulder. At first I didn't want to approach her. But I saw the "damsel in distress", and I just had to say "can I help you with your bags?" She was very sweet, and said, No, but please get the train for me.

So I ran downstairs to hold the A train. Problem was that both uptown and downtown were there, so I yelled back "Which one"? She replied, "Uptown". With my little assistance, she was able to get on the Uptown A. Unfortunately, I was going downtown. So be it.

The moral to this story is this: If one little action can help make a sista's day or change a sista's life, so be it. I hope that made an impact. Peace.See, at georgetown they teach you to go uptown

[mhd]

Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]its another way of saying income expands options, its also an unfair generalization of people who fall in love, regardless of height, loot, profession or lack of intelligence</font>[/QUOTE]Understand the term but what's the criteria?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]for "best"? i need some help on this one, it varies for everybody.

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
hell...i'd like to have an interracial interanal intercourse with J LOpez

hot damn

i'd crawl across the glass littered midday tarmac in death valley, just to jerk off on her shadowThis has to be the post of the week!!! :D

[Bobby]

I likes me some Asian, especially Thai and Filipina. I like Latin women too. :D

[Bobby]

I also like East Indian women, Middle Eastern women, Native American women(its really hard to find some that are cute though)

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
i'm sorry if it upsets...but even that BLACK HERO Malcolm X one night got up, scratched his ass, went to the club and said

"wheres da white women?"

and then he macked that bitch like mayor McCheesethis was before he became "black conscious" and starting seeing that Blacks were in some pain as a 'people'. he then began to strongly identify with Blacks and focus on helping blacks--in my view he was "minimally racist".

you can mock his "blackness" but not his humaness.

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by Bobby:
I also like...Native American women(its really hard to find some that are cute though)just so you know, a lot of Native american females suffer a beauty complex. again, people look different. Native people who are affiliated with one tribe can look different than others w/ different tribal affiliations. some Native Americans *look* Mexican or 'hispanic' or even Polynesian (some NAs get offended when you presume them to be Mexican or hispanic).

what *certain* people do to Native women in Canada and the US is deplorable; they try to defile them, dehumanize them. thank you westernization...

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
I also like...Native American women(its really hard to find some that are cute though)just so you know, a lot of Native american females suffer a beauty complex. again, people look different. Native people who are affiliated with one tribe can look different than others w/ different tribal affiliations. some Native Americans *look* Mexican or 'hispanic' or even Polynesian (some NAs get offended when you presume them to be Mexican or hispanic).

what *certain* people do to Native women in Canada and the US is deplorable; they try to defile them, dehumanize them. thank you westernization...</font>[/QUOTE]The land of the free and the home of the brave!!

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by Bobby:
I likes me some Asian, especially Thai and Filipina. I like Latin women too. :D Agreed, even their guys can cause confusion, you really need to be on your toes in Bangkok and Manilla not to pick up more than you bargain for.

CoNfUsIoN graemlins/mecry.gif

[Wild i]

Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Malcolm said that we should be judged by our character, rather than the color of our skin. So if a Black man dates a White lady or someone outside his race, why should YOU judge that man or that woman without even knowing them? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gifHas no one noticed that this statement is a paraphrase of Martin Luther King Jr., not Malcom X. It comes from the famous "I Have A Dream" speech.

[PhatBoy]

I didn't have the energy to read all the posts in this thread, but all I wanted to say is that color of your skin doesn't mean a thing, and least in love. There's nothing wrong with it.

I for one would like to date different races, I'd prefer dating black woman, I have never done that. And due to my distant location, I think I will never have the chance, since there are no black women here where I live.. it's a shame though, I'd really love to try it, and everyone who says it's wrong can do that, but it would not stop me.

[Mah'chew]

freaks are freaks, period!

[C hristian]

here is where some of you need to get up close and personal with your own racist thoughts.

[AK]

Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]You, would be my guess. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/11zwinky.gif

[Randall Clobby]

Originally posted by Mathius:
Anyone got a homosexual perspective on all this stuff?

Do women feel threatened when they see to guys together?

Do they think, what's wrong with me, why doesn't he like the booty?

I think women have a different perspective on this, they admire the fact that the guy is fine, then possibly lament the fact that he's not going to be attracted to them, then might give a little respect to the the guys lover for hooking a great guy.

When can we look at race in the same way?Never once have I ever had an African-American woman come up to me and question my dating pool. The reason being is in all honesty it has no consequence to them whatsoever. I am not swimming inside of their dating pool, therefore, my actions are of no consequence. With that said, I believe that this (selfish) nature belies the veracity of women and men who are against interracial dating. Stick-up for your gay brothers and sisters as well!

As for interracial dating within the homosexual community, the color lines are just as entrenched, if not more. I date, (and I use the word "date" loosely), within and outside of my race. There is absolutely no need for me to justify who I am with. It is my business and mine alone.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
i'm sorry if it upsets...but even that BLACK HERO Malcolm X one night got up, scratched his ass, went to the club and said

"wheres da white women?"

and then he macked that bitch like mayor McCheeseThat was before he became a muslim. He was a hustler that was into drugs, loose women and money. Once he became an muslim he married. (didn't get it from the movie) I read the book and majored in History.

[miss al boogie]

Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Malcolm said that we should be judged by our character, rather than the color of our skin. So if a Black man dates a White lady or someone outside his race, why should YOU judge that man or that woman without even knowing them? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gifHas no one noticed that this statement is a paraphrase of Martin Luther King Jr., not Malcom X. It comes from the famous "I Have A Dream" speech.</font>[/QUOTE]and then after Malcolm's pilgrammage to Mecca, he quoted Martin using the same phrase

[Wild i]

Originally posted by al boogie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Malcolm said that we should be judged by our character, rather than the color of our skin. So if a Black man dates a White lady or someone outside his race, why should YOU judge that man or that woman without even knowing them? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gifHas no one noticed that this statement is a paraphrase of Martin Luther King Jr., not Malcom X. It comes from the famous "I Have A Dream" speech.</font>[/QUOTE]and then after Malcolm's pilgrammage to Mecca, he quoted Martin using the same phrase</font>[/QUOTE]Okay, see, I didn't know that. I'm schooled!

[SPG]

Originally posted by AK:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]You, would be my guess. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/11zwinky.gif

http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/otn/love/icon_smile_blush.gif http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/love/deg.gif

You're so silly...Where've you been hiding? Haven't seen you 'round here lately.

SPG

[martino]

question:

How many of you that dont date outside your race actually have close friends that aren't of your race? I'm sure you can see where i'm going with that...

[mrbillpeewee]

Actually his wife.

I am multi racial as well. Irish, Indian, German and Phillipine.

I have enjoyed all the posts, they weren't as ugly as they have been in the past. I didn't appreciate the wicked witches comments, but to each her own.

All I really have to say is that I don't understand the huge issue. There is a thing called fate (karma, whatever you wanna call it) if you or your friends can't find a black man that is compatible with you (to the point that you don't have to worry about what other men are doing) then maybe your not suppose to be with one, maybe your soulmate is another race/color.

Everything happens for a reason. As a race (of human people) all we want is for everyone to love eachother and stop hating, right? There used to be a time when a black man would be lynched for even looking at a white women, lynched!!! Now that they are able to love freely, they are still being judged, not for their color this time, for their character. Honestly, they aren't always the bad guy, just a scapegoat.

I know that you're just trying to get an understanding of it, but emotions are uncontrollable and therefore unexplainable. Some things are just not meant to be broken down and analyzed, they just are what they are. Unfortunately love and physical attraction is one of them. No one will ever have the answer or even an explanation that will satisfy. We all just deal with it.

Love who you love and let it go.

This is just my opinion. Peace.

[ February 23, 2003, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: mrbillpeewee ]

[mrbillpeewee]

Oh yeah, and I'm a whilte mom trying to do a black girls naps (as so eloquently put).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can put in her hair to make it softer and more manageable. No perms or hot combs or anything like that, I don't want do damage her hair. Just want to loose some of the friz and dryness.

Thanks!!! biggrinangel.gif

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by mrbillpeewee:
Oh yeah, and I'm a whilte mom trying to do a black girls naps (as so eloquently put).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can put in her hair to make it softer and more manageable. No perms or hot combs or anything like that, I don't want do damage her hair. Just want to loose some of the friz and dryness.what's wrong w/ unmanageable hair? hair styles itself.

for humans, water works fine for detangling hair.

(some say for splitting/dryness, stricter diet, protein and drinking plenty of water)
---------------------------------------

nice site on the science of hair (L'Oréal)
http://www.hair-science.com/

[Wild i]

Originally posted by mrbillpeewee:
Oh yeah, and I'm a whilte mom trying to do a black girls naps (as so eloquently put).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can put in her hair to make it softer and more manageable. No perms or hot combs or anything like that, I don't want do damage her hair. Just want to loose some of the friz and dryness.

Thanks!!! biggrinangel.gif This a thread in itself. It may sound silly, but I suggest Lustresilk curl activation. A little bit twice a week works wonders. Yeah, it's a little greasy at first, but read the bottle; it's full of hair food. You don't need a lot. Spritz it on, rub it in good (massaging the scalp) then comb and style. It strengthens the air and moisturized the scalp. Try it.

[nev m]

BLACK, LOVE,BROWN, LOVE,WHITE, LOVE, YELLOW LOVE,WHITE, LOVE, LOVE, BLACK, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE,LOVE, LOVE,LOVE, LOVE..................... graemlins/1luvu.gif

[Bobby]

The Black /White stuff just don't work. I came home from work the other night at about 12:30am when I hear arguing outside my window, and guess what, it was a brother yelling and a white girl crying and threatening to call the PD because apparently she socked him in the face and he was about to jump on her. I had to ask them if they could go to another part of the apt complex to argue cause I was tired and didn't want to hear it. I've seen that same scenerio over and over again. My advice to brothers; leave these white girls alone so you can stay out of jail!!!! PLEASE!!! graemlins/nono.gif

[mrbillpeewee]

Thanks Wild I, I appreciate it.

Forevermore, not everyone's hair untangles easily with water only. I'm white/asian and I need at least a half a bottle of conditioner to beable to pull the tangles out of my head. Conditioner works good on my daughters hair too, but when it dries it gets brittle and frizzy. I can still fix her hair in a number of ways but I want to keep it healthy and curly, instead of dry, brittle and frizzy.

Now you know, if I let her walk around looking broke and didn't even try to manage her hair, then I would be considered a bad white mom for neglecting the fact the my mixed daughter needs different care for her hair.

[mrbillpeewee]

Originally posted by Bobby:
The Black /White stuff just don't work. I came home from work the other night at about 12:30am when I hear arguing outside my window, and guess what, it was a brother yelling and a white girl crying and threatening to call the PD because apparently she socked him in the face and he was about to jump on her. I had to ask them if they could go to another part of the apt complex to argue cause I was tired and didn't want to hear it. I've seen that same scenerio over and over again. My advice to brothers; leave these white girls alone so you can stay out of jail!!!! PLEASE!!! graemlins/nono.gif Black men and women get in fights and go to jail over eachother too. So do white couples, latino couples, asian couples, etc. That is called DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, not interracial dating. Try to use common sense.

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Bobby:
The Black /White stuff just don't work. I came home from work the other night at about 12:30am when I hear arguing outside my window, and guess what, it was a brother yelling and a white girl crying and threatening to call the PD because apparently she socked him in the face and he was about to jump on her. I had to ask them if they could go to another part of the apt complex to argue cause I was tired and didn't want to hear it. I've seen that same scenerio over and over again. My advice to brothers; leave these white girls alone so you can stay out of jail!!!! PLEASE!!! graemlins/nono.gif PLEASE tell me you are joking. as has been alluded to, drama, ignorance, and social dysfunction know no color or culture...

[Bernie]

350+ posts and counting... :rolleyes:

[DOTSmusic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobby:
The Black /White stuff just don't work.

so are you all for the mixing of other races just as long as it is not Black and White?

how about Black/Puerto Rican? does that one work?
or what about Pakistani/ German? is that one ok with ya?

why does shit always have to be Black and White with folks?
makes no sense.

[Mah'chew]

I am white and my kids will be Asian, which way they want to go is up to them, I'm not out to support any gene pool, that's the work of nazis and small minded people

[imported_Gman]

How do I feel about interracial relationships ? Well a picture says a thousand words.

-G

Me, my brothers,their wives and kids:
http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose2.jpg http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose1.jpg

[ February 23, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Gman ]

[AK]

Originally posted by SPG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AK:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
my point is nba ballers usually get the best wife money can buyWhat exactly is the "best wife money can buy"?

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]You, would be my guess. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/11zwinky.gif

http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/otn/love/icon_smile_blush.gif http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/love/deg.gif

You're so silly...Where've you been hiding? Haven't seen you 'round here lately.

SPG</font>[/QUOTE]Just busy with the day job. How's the new biz coming?

[f0reverneverm0re]

Originally posted by jj:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
My advice to brothers; leave these white girls alone so you can stay out of jail!!!! PLEASE!!! graemlins/nono.gif PLEASE tell me you are joking. as has been alluded to, drama, ignorance, and social dysfunction know no color or culture...</font>[/QUOTE]yeah, that is kind of an over the top statement IMO (though i am familiar w/ and understand the argument). arrest for domestic disturbance *seems* to be more and more about being a threat/nuisance. now, if the police have to show up there's a good chance someone is going to be hauled off; if fair is fair, then it can be anybody, but if the pigs have bias then it could be either the "angry, aggressive, abusive (black) male" or the "irrational female who stabbed her man w/ a fork" who is taken to the station.

a lot of men are violent with women partners and it also goes the other way.

some *men* might want to learn how to better handle their emotions and vice versa.

not dating "white" women isn't going to keep "black" males out of jail..hell, not committing crime won't even help!

[SPG]

Originally posted by Gman:
How do I feel about interracial relationships ? Well a picture says a thousand words.

-G

Me, my brothers,their wives and kids:
http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose2.jpg http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose1.jpgI'm only up late 'cause I've got a vacation day tomorrow.

Beautiful family rainbow Gman!

SPG

[SPG]

Originally posted by AK:
Just busy with the day job. How's the new biz coming?
__________________________________________________

Lots of work stocking shelves right now. Opening in 2 weeks time.

SPG

[ February 24, 2003, 02:48 AM: Message edited by: SPG ]

[nev m]

Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mrbillpeewee:
Oh yeah, and I'm a whilte mom trying to do a black girls naps (as so eloquently put).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can put in her hair to make it softer and more manageable. No perms or hot combs or anything like that, I don't want do damage her hair. Just want to loose some of the friz and dryness.

Thanks!!! biggrinangel.gif This a thread in itself. It may sound silly, but I suggest Lustresilk curl activation. A little bit twice a week works wonders. Yeah, it's a little greasy at first, but read the bottle; it's full of hair food. You don't need a lot. Spritz it on, rub it in good (massaging the scalp) then comb and style. It strengthens the air and moisturized the scalp. Try it.</font>[/QUOTE]DO NOT... I REPEAT DO NOT PUT NO CURL ACTIVATOR IN A LITTLE GIRLS HAIR. NO, NO, NO. YOU ARE GOING TO UPSET THE NATURAL CHEMICAL BALANCE OF THE NATURAL OILS IN HER CURLS.

LOOK, WASH THE GIRLS HAIR AND DEEP CONDITION IT... USE A DETANGLING SHAMPOO BY CREAM OF NATURE... THEN FOLLOW UP WITH SOME QUEEN HELENE CHOLESTEROL CONDITIONER... THEN ADD IN SOME ST. IVES THERAPHY CONDITIONER... COMB THE CONDITIONER THROUGH ....

YOU CAN DRY THE HAIR NATURALLY BY BRAIDING THE HAIR IN LARGE PLAITS OVERNIGHT.

KEEP THE HEAT OFF THE CHILD'S HEAD... YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COMB THROUGH HER HAIR WITH EASE. ALSO, 1 DAY OR 2 AFTER A FULL WASH, PLEASE OIL HER HAIR WITH A LIGHT OIL, TRY TCB OR ALWAYS NATURAL SUPERGRO.

SINCERELY
BLACK LADY WITH LARGE THICK AFRO
EFABULOUS

[Wild i]

Originally posted by nev m:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mrbillpeewee:
Oh yeah, and I'm a whilte mom trying to do a black girls naps (as so eloquently put).

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can put in her hair to make it softer and more manageable. No perms or hot combs or anything like that, I don't want do damage her hair. Just want to loose some of the friz and dryness.

Thanks!!! biggrinangel.gif This a thread in itself. It may sound silly, but I suggest Lustresilk curl activation. A little bit twice a week works wonders. Yeah, it's a little greasy at first, but read the bottle; it's full of hair food. You don't need a lot. Spritz it on, rub it in good (massaging the scalp) then comb and style. It strengthens the air and moisturized the scalp. Try it.</font>[/QUOTE]DO NOT... I REPEAT DO NOT PUT NO CURL ACTIVATOR IN A LITTLE GIRLS HAIR. NO, NO, NO. YOU ARE GOING TO UPSET THE NATURAL CHEMICAL BALANCE OF THE NATURAL OILS IN HER CURLS.

LOOK, WASH THE GIRLS HAIR AND DEEP CONDITION IT... USE A DETANGLING SHAMPOO BY CREAM OF NATURE... THEN FOLLOW UP WITH SOME QUEEN HELENE CHOLESTEROL CONDITIONER... THEN ADD IN SOME ST. IVES THERAPHY CONDITIONER... COMB THE CONDITIONER THROUGH ....

YOU CAN DRY THE HAIR NATURALLY BY BRAIDING THE HAIR IN LARGE PLAITS OVERNIGHT.

KEEP THE HEAT OFF THE CHILD'S HEAD... YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COMB THROUGH HER HAIR WITH EASE. ALSO, 1 DAY OR 2 AFTER A FULL WASH, PLEASE OIL HER HAIR WITH A LIGHT OIL, TRY TCB OR ALWAYS NATURAL SUPERGRO.

SINCERELY
BLACK LADY WITH LARGE THICK AFRO
EFABULOUS</font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ms. EFab. but I've been using curl activator for years and my hair, which had always been problematic, has never been stronger. I'm not suggesting that she give the child a Jheri curl, just that she used the activator, which does not alter the hair shape or chemistry at all.

I always, ALWAYS had short hair growing up. Breakage, dryness and so forth. In the eighties I started wearing a curl and using activator. I remember my mom talking on the phone with my aunt when I came in to comb my hair. She stopped in mid-sentence to say, "Cynthia, Melanie's putting her hair in a pony-tail!" I'd never had enough hair to do that before. It was my hair dresser who told me how good activator is for your hair. Using it every day can clog the pores, but using it judiciously can be a blessing.

I've been dredded for almost 3 years and I activate about twice a week. Works great. Keeps my locks soft, soaks right in, takes no time at all and promotes growth like nobody's business.

I know activator has gotten a bad rap over the years. It can be messy. I certainly wouldn't recommend it for anyone with a perm who needs to curl their hair. But if you're not wearing a curl, you don't need much to reap the benefits.

Look: http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rollcall/melanie5.jpg

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by martino:
question:

How many of you that dont date outside your race actually have close friends that aren't of your race? I'm sure you can see where i'm going with that...Good question and I'll continue to read to see if anyone answered...

[Meridian]

What does America owe Brown people? The freedom to attempt to preserve our cultural heritage. Something many Pink Americans have systematically and effectively destroyed. At the same time, the right to seek out relationships across the color spectrum which is another thing we have pink people to thank for. Because of there shameful acts during slavery, they helped to create in the Africans who were brought here in servitude, a totally new race of people. One that can identify and has ties to every other race on the globe. I feel that as much as on American brown person (man or woman) can try to maintain the integrity of the brown race, I am afraid most of us are trying to preserve 4-5 generations, at the most, of genetics that spent more generations than that with questionable lineage. Even then the various tribes that made up the slave workforce may have never intermingled had the Africans brought to this country been left the hell alone. So the mere fact that we in America identify with each other as “Black” people, are labeled “African American”, or deal in reality like I do and regard themselves as what we truly are “Brown People”, shows us that we are a new race. Very few of our ancestors were free from some level of cultural mixing. However because the society we live in still categorizes people by race, and we cannot get far enough past our differences and desires to have the world reflect our personal ideologies, there are still folks who will take offense to two odd toned people walking down the street in complete bliss.

The points of view that I have been reading have been very narrow-minded. The cut and dry argument of “Black and …whatever, leaves some really important questions unanswered: What does bi-racial people do? Only date other bi-racial people? And if so how many generations removed should they be before they have to find someone with the same percentage of …, see where I going with this?
I have arguments for and against each side, for each race, and each gender. However I will address one side, one race and one gender: black males for white women. I have never dated white (pink) woman before. In grammar school I had a major crush on a very pretty girl who happened to be white. Too young to act on those feelings that opportunity came and went. The next time I was even remotely interested in a white female I was fresh out of high school and she was engaged to someone so no chance for extra-racial exploration there. So the gamut of my experiences has been with black women. In them I feel that I have realized what it was that I had been searching for in a mate: some one who I could relate to and share my experiences with. This is why I do not regret not having dated outside my race. I do not want some one who would sympathize with me and the culture that I identify with, because I don’t need sympathy. I wanted some one who shared my culture and had a keen sense of awareness that we do need to move beyond our tragedies and support each other.

I am in a very loving marriage and we have a wonderful well adjusted (albeit selfish) child. We are both very much in touch with our Brown American reality and are striving to do the best we can for our family and ourselves. However, at some point our child will have to be made aware of the variance in race that she inherited from her mom’s side of the family (four generations down the tree) and the possibility of the same from my side (there were some pretty light members of my family too). What should I have her do?

Many of the people that are in my life that identify with the Black, Brown, or African American cultures are not visibly one generation from Africa. So weather we want to admit it or not, the Black people in America are a truly unique species. So that interracial couple that you see walking down the street may not be what you perceive on the surface. It is quite possible that they both have a little common genetics. Next time think about THAT before getting angry. You could be looking a two Black people.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Gman:
How do I feel about interracial relationships ? Well a picture says a thousand words.

-G

Me, my brothers,their wives and kids:
http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose2.jpg http://deephousepage.com/jpegs/rose1.jpgThe lady seated, she looks regal.

graemlins/thumbsup.gif nice pic

[nev m]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jj:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobby:
[qb]The Black /White stuff just don't work. I came home from work the other night at about 12:30am when I hear arguing outside my window, and guess what, it was a brother yelling and a white girl crying and threatening to call the PD because apparently she socked him in the face and he was about to jump on her. I had to ask them if they could go to another part of the apt complex to argue cause I was tired and didn't want to hear it. I've seen that same scenerio over and over again. My advice to brothers; leave these white girls alone so you can stay out of jail.

I find this post very insulting, just because they were arguing!! EVERYBODY F*****G ARGUES SOMETIMES. Anybody in an interracial relationship is going to be appaled by this post. Any relationship involving any race,creed, or colour is upto the individuals involved, and no f***er else.

Have a nice day!

[Friday]

All I have to say is that interracial and multiracial marriages create some beautiful people...thank you, thank you biggrinangel.gif G.....I like the pictures...looks just like my family. graemlins/grinyes.gif

['Magic' Juan]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
All I have to say is that interracial and multiracial marriages create some beautiful people...thank you magic_juan graemlins/beerchug.gif

[JMNYC]

We're all different PEOPLE. What works for one may not for another. But we are ALL people, and we all deserve the opportunity to be happy - alone or in a relationship, and regardless of anything as superficial as skin color.

[ May 01, 2003, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]