Is it because they are black? [Archive]

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:06 PM

why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones?

Is it because they are black?

Why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not?

Is it because they are black?

Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late?

Is it because they are black?

Why would someone say on another thread that Shelter should not get the benefit of the doubt?

Is it because they are black?

Why aint anyone talk about the sound difficulties at the basketball party in miami yet mad peeps got beef with the sound at a nyc outdoor party?

Is it because they are black?

Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

Is it because they are black?

Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events?

Is it because they are black?

Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments?

Is it because they are black?

I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....if Timmy and company were smart they would get rid of their current clientele and go for the moneyt (btw...my spot is opening this fall and i don't give a fig if most of you come or not...cause y'all aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of)

with vitriol

Martk B
Magus
the Mechanic
Buddy Love
LeRoi Destouts
and Lobo Tomi

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP?

liL Ray

07-08-2003, 07:13 PM

oh boy...wait let me go get my teflon coat and put up my force field....ok, all set...

great post.....i bet 5 pages on this one.

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun

imported_Gman

07-08-2003, 07:14 PM

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
oh boy...wait let me go get my teflon coat and put up my force field....ok, all set...

great post.....i bet 5 pages on this one. i'm tired of reading shit from these ****in maggots...half of whom would lick balls and take it up the ass to play at a shithole ( and i know where some of the bones were buried)...these insignificant do nothings have never had the balls or intelligence or the entrepeneurship to even open a ****ing lemonade stand yet they wanna dis when cats put on a show, give away trips to vacation spots, put on djs and do it for over a day....these stupid wastes of space have NO IDEA what it takes to put this shit on and make it go down without a hitch ( and there's ALLWAYS A HITCH)

so come after me but you better be doing something cause i'm pulling cards...****ing LOSERS

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:21 PM

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]So, one has to "earn" the right to an opinion, in your view, to post on DHP? Or to hold an opposite view from yours? I still don't understand, if you've fallen out of love with the scene and its people, why you continue to come here and do the very thing you constantly rag on others about: BITCH AND MOAN.

And to answer your question...I dance to house/disco music. That's all the qualification I think I need.

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]damn..i already feel; lobo tomi dying

dig it..this thread is about another topic, so if ya can't handle an intelligent discussion on said topic go away and put me on blast on some other thread which i won't visit anyway because i don't care enough to visit your world

imported_Gman

07-08-2003, 07:27 PM

Please keep this thread focused on the topic and not on attacking one another.

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]So, one has to "earn" the right to an opinion, in your view, to post on DHP? Or to hold an opposite view from yours? I still don't understand, if you've fallen out of love with the scene and its people, why you continue to come here and do the very thing you constantly rag on others about: BITCH AND MOAN.

And to answer your question...I dance to house/disco music. That's all the qualification I think I need. [/QUOTE]yeah put that on your resume...you'll go far....now off to ignoreville

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
Please keep this thread focused on the topic and not on attacking one another. i apologize ...to paraphrase pacino "i try to get out but they keep pulling me back in"

peeps usually go off topic cause they got NOTHING intelligent to say on topic, so they try to blast the messenger...don't bother people i'm beyond the reach of most of ya (how egomaniacal of me)

liL Ray

07-08-2003, 07:32 PM

I really want to see this topic develop because it is good and bring up some genuine points that others(lame-o-s, fake ones, PLUR bastards) shake in their boots to talk about.

Let's talk about it!

Is it because they are black?

YUJI-SAN

07-08-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]What did you put out? I'm curious to know.

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
damn..i already feel; lobo tomi dying

dig it..this thread is about another topic, so if ya can't handle an intelligent discussion on said topic go away and put me on blast on some other thread which i won't visit anyway because i don't care enough to visit your world Hold up, bruh...you're the one who stated the last paragraph in your diatribe, not me. I'm honestly asking you (seriously) why you would continue to be part of a community which you have made clear, in no uncertain terms, you despise. Would you please answer that? Maybe you post with the thought to always put people on blast, but I'm really trying to understand your logic in making the statements you make (I'm never doing a house party again; yall are broke, ghetto, ignant, etc.), yet staying part of this board AND the scene.

Your other comments targeted at trying to make me "go away" or feel bad or whatever aren't working, love. I really just want to understand your POV on the "I hate yall, but I'm still here" thing.

liL Ray

07-08-2003, 07:34 PM

Discogoddess, do you have any direct opinion on the topic at hand? Please, I really would like to hear it....

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
damn..i already feel; lobo tomi dying

dig it..this thread is about another topic, so if ya can't handle an intelligent discussion on said topic go away and put me on blast on some other thread which i won't visit anyway because i don't care enough to visit your world Hold up, bruh...you're the one who stated the last paragraph in your diatribe, not me. I'm honestly asking you (seriously) why you would continue to be part of a community which you have made clear, in no uncertain terms, you despise. Would you please answer that? Maybe you post with the thought to always put people on blast, but I'm really trying to understand your logic in making the statements you make (I'm never doing a house party again; yall are broke, ghetto, ignant, etc.), yet staying part of this board AND the scene.

Your other comments targeted at trying to make me "go away" or feel bad or whatever aren't working, love. I really just want to understand your POV on the "I hate yall, but I'm still here" thing. [/QUOTE]you wanna understand it do it in another thread...or can ypou not handle that...i'll even give you a headstart and begin it for you....ooops i forgot i'm ignoring you....

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
Please keep this thread focused on the topic and not on attacking one another. I don't feel that I've attacked anyone in this thread...please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:39 PM

btw...its the same reason G-Man gets so much flack on this site...and why peeps will deal with and obvious racist on another site...cause blacks would rather dis on the brother man than the other man - like they're afraid slavery might break out again any minute and don't wanna burn no bridges ( "massa i was always on yousens side...das right iz true")

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Discogoddess, do you have any direct opinion on the topic at hand? Please, I really would like to hear it.... Well, I thought I was addressing part of the topic at hand as put forth by the thread-starter, but...regarding the "is the Shelter judged more harshly becuz its owners/promoters are black?", I'd say probably. I think black and brown folk still suffer from the "white man's ice is colder" mentality, and will always be more exacting in their expectations and assessments of their own. But I have to assume that black and Latino business owners know that they have to be twice as good to be considered average by whites, so that standard of excellence should already be there when dealing with their own people.

However, I don't think that black- or Latino-owned businesses should have the expectation that they will get a pass from their own BECAUSE they are black or brown. I have had the experience with some black-owned businesses that they expect you to settle for less, deal with poor customer service, irregular hours, missing or defective product or late payment BECAUSE they are black. That ain't cool.

I cannot speak on the Shelter situation specifically, because I wasn't there this past weekend, nor have I ever visited the club.

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:

I cannot speak on the Shelter situation specifically, because I wasn't there this past weekend, nor have I ever visited the club. [/QB]earth to discogoddess...this thread IS ABOUT SHELTER...i hope that didn't somehow escape your ability to read deductively

but to address your valid point, you are right blacks don't deserve to get less from other blacks cause they are black....now you tell me what promoters of other ethnicities are offering blacks and latinos (and peeps of all persuasions) what shelter offered this past weekend, in nyc in the year of our lord 2003, that peeps can say they got less than they would have?..

alex zen

07-08-2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
btw...its the same reason G-Man gets so much flack on this site...and why peeps will deal with and obvious racist on another site...cause blacks would rather dis on the brother man than the other man - like they're afraid slavery might break out again any minute and don't wanna burn no bridges ( "massa i was always on yousens side...das right iz true") does gman catch a lot of shit from this site?

Discogoddess

07-08-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:

I cannot speak on the Shelter situation specifically, because I wasn't there this past weekend, nor have I ever visited the club. earth to discogoddess...this thread IS ABOUT SHELTER...i hope that didn't somehow escape your ability to read deductively

but to address your valid point, you are right blacks don't deserve to get less from other blacks cause they are black....now you tell me what promoters of other ethnicities are offering blacks and latinos (and peeps of all persuasions) what shelter offered this past weekend, in nyc in the year of our lord 2003, that peeps can say they got less than they would have?.. [/QB][/QUOTE]Earth to whatever-your-name-is-today: I know the thread is about Shelter. I was able to deduce that, despite the typos and run-on sentences. Thank you for showing concern. smile.gif

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:

I cannot speak on the Shelter situation specifically, because I wasn't there this past weekend, nor have I ever visited the club. earth to discogoddess...this thread IS ABOUT SHELTER...i hope that didn't somehow escape your ability to read deductively

but to address your valid point, you are right blacks don't deserve to get less from other blacks cause they are black....now you tell me what promoters of other ethnicities are offering blacks and latinos (and peeps of all persuasions) what shelter offered this past weekend, in nyc in the year of our lord 2003, that peeps can say they got less than they would have?.. [/QUOTE]Earth to whatever-your-name-is-today: I know the thread is about Shelter. I was able to deduce that, despite the typos and run-on sentences. Thank you for showing concern. smile.gif [/QB][/QUOTE]ploop

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 08:12 PM

another one who cant anxwer simple questions....i'll pose it to the rest of you maggots
....now you tell me what promoters of other ethnicities are offering blacks and latinos (and peeps of all persuasions) what shelter offered this past weekend, in nyc in the year of our lord 2003, that peeps can say they got less than they would have?

please if ya can't show me the head of moses don't unsheath your sword on me

And

07-08-2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
[/QB]I can't help thinking this will lead to more of the same "apples & oranges" arguments this issue has raised. I very well could not be understanding many other perspectives here ... but and here are a few questions that might help me understand what I ... er ... am not getting (?) graemlins/conf44.gif
*How much appreciation is enough appreciation? What do people consider too little praise for a job well done? What would be considered a fair demonstration of appreciation? (A 15 page thread? 15 threads on the same topic? An entire thread devoted to nothing but what people enjoyed?). How is this to be determined? Why is it that although there are a number of people who have stated just how great a time was had, there is still more focus on those asking questions?
*Should people effectively demonstrate their sincere appreciation (to meet the pre-established rules outlined in the How to Give Dap Handbook) -and have a question as to why certain parts of the night didn't go as planned - How are they to ask these questions without it nullifying their demonstration of appreciation?
*Does anyone think it's okay to ask questions of the Shelter about this event. If not, why not, if so, why so.
*If no one had asked any questions about the parts of the night that didn't go off as planned, as in everyone wrote in what a wonderful time they had - Would that have been a Better "Realview" of the event?
*Is it the opinion of the shelter that it's nobody's business? If so ... Okay ... That would qualify as their answer and life goes on.
*It's okay for some to not be curious ... Can it be okay for some to be curious?

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
I can't help thinking this will lead to more of the same "apples & oranges" arguments this issue has raised. I very well could not be understanding many other perspectives here ... but and here are a few questions that might help me understand what I ... er ... am not getting (?) graemlins/conf44.gif
*How much appreciation is enough appreciation? What do people consider too little praise for a job well done? What would be considered a fair demonstration of appreciation? (A 15 page thread? 15 threads on the same topic? An entire thread devoted to nothing but what people enjoyed?). How is this to be determined? Why is it that although there are a number of people who have stated just how great a time was had, there is still more focus on those asking questions?
*Should people effectively demonstrate their sincere appreciation (to meet the pre-established rules outlined in the How to Give Dap Handbook) -and have a question as to why certain parts of the night didn't go as planned - How are they to ask these questions without it nullifying their demonstration of appreciation?
*Does anyone think it's okay to ask questions of the Shelter about this event. If not, why not, if so, why so.
*If no one had asked any questions about the parts of the night that didn't go off as planned, as in everyone wrote in what a wonderful time they had - Would that have been a Better "Realview" of the event?
*Is it the opinion of the shelter that it's nobody's business? If so ... Okay ... That would qualify as their answer and life goes on.
*It's okay for some to not be curious ... Can it be okay for some to be curious? [/QB][/QUOTE]good points...nobody likes a kiss ass is one of our lanetary slogans...and i'm not saying peeps can't be critical...but to criticize in this occasion is a little bit tacky and stupid...we had a thread (which was bogus) saying that Shelter misrepresented - thats pretty malicious and if it were me i would sue dannyboy for slander ( "misrepresentation"??? thats a harsh allegation especially if you don't know the deal...or did you?)....

tell me do people also criticize the cook if you are invited somewhere for dinner thats not to your liking....a lot of peeps need a lil hometraining....if this were a houseparty would peeps be as malignant

is THIS how y'all support a scene ???

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 08:51 PM

btw, this thread is rhetorical...of course its cause they're black...and they got to deal with black wnnabees/haters/losers as well as those who consider them to be niggers who are reachin just a lil too high...black club ownership - preposterous!

a lot of you motha****rs disgust me

but i'm a ****ed up person to begin with

DeesKo

07-08-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
I'm honestly asking you (seriously) why you would continue to be part of a community which you have made clear, in no uncertain terms, you despise. Would you please answer that? Perhaps because without him and others like him (GMAN et al), the co-opting would be complete ?

Just my guess.

Peace

DJ Timmy Richardson

07-08-2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by YUJI-SAN:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]What did you put out? I'm curious to know. [/QUOTE]Doug Smith may be able to answer your question YUJI

[ July 08, 2003, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: DJ Timmy Richardson ]

And

07-08-2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
we had a thread (which was bogus) saying that Shelter misrepresented - thats pretty malicious and if it were me i would sue dannyboy for slander ( "misrepresentation"??? thats a harsh allegation especially if you don't know the deal...or did you?)....
Aha! Right here ... I think I'm finally understanding the intensity behind people's annoyance. Reading your response, my eyes were drawn to the the quoted section. I was thinking "misrepresentation" as a word can't be that harmful ... (I was defining it in my head using different words). So I decided to look it up to see what definition is given:

Misrepresentation: To give an incorrect or misleading representation of.
-To serve incorrectly or dishonestly as an official representative of.

The Thesaurus offers:
15 entries found for misrepresentation.
Entry: corruption
Function: noun
Definition: dishonesty
Synonyms: bribery, bribing, crime, crookedness, demoralization, dishonesty, exploitation, extortion, fiddling, fraud, fraudulency, graft, jobbery, malfeasance, misrepresentation, nepotism, payoff, payola, profiteering, racket, shadiness, shady deal, shuffle, skimming, squeeze, unscrupulousness, venality
Antonyms: honesty, incorruption, incorruptness, scruples
Concept: falseness
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Entry: deceit
Function: noun
Definition: trick
Synonyms: artifice, blind, cheat, chicanery, crocodile tears, deception, dirty pool, dirty trick, dirty work, duplicity, fake, feint, flimflam, fraud, fraudulence, gyp, hoax, humbug, imposture, misrepresentation, pretense, ruse, sell, sellout, sham, shift, soft soap, spoof, stratagem, subterfuge, sweet talk, swindle, trick, two-timing, whitewash job, wile
Concept: fooling
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2003 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Entry: distortion
Function: noun
Definition: falsification
Synonyms: baloney, bend, bias, buckle, coloring, contortion, crap, crock, crookedness, deformity, exaggeration, intorsion, jazz, jive, lie, line, malconformation, malformation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation, misshape, misstatement, misuse, mutilation, perversion, slant, smoke, story, tall story, torture, twist, twistedness, warp
Antonyms: accuracy, truth, verity
Concept: lying
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Entry: equivocation
Function: noun
Definition: avoidance
Synonyms: ambiguity, amphibology, casuistry, coloring, con, cop out, cover, cover-up, deceit, deception, deceptiveness, delusion, dissimulation, distortion, double entendre, double meaning, double talk, doubtfulness, duplicity, equivocality, evasion, fallacy, fib, fibbing, hedging, lie, line, lying, misrepresentation, prevarication, quibbling, routine, run-around, shuffling, song, sophistry, speciousness, spuriousness, stall, stonewall, tergiversation, waffle
Antonyms: explicitness
Concept: escape
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Entry: exaggeration
Function: noun
Definition: overstatement
Synonyms: aggrandizement, amplification, baloney, boasting, BS, caricature, cheese, coloring, crap, crock, elaboration, embroidery, emphasis, enlargement, exaltation, excess, extravagance, fabrication, falsehood, fancy, fantasy, fish story, gas, hogwash, hyperbole, inflation, jazz, line, magnification, misjudgment, misrepresentation, overemphasis, overestimation, pretension, pretentiousness, rant, romance, stretch, stretching, tall story, untruth, whopper, yarn
Antonyms: minimizing, understatement
Concept: complexity
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Entry: falsity
Function: noun
Definition: dishonesty
Synonyms: canard, cheating, deceit, deception, deceptiveness, disingenuousness, double-dealing, duplicity, erroneousness, error, faithlessness, fake, fallacy, falsehood, fib, fraud, fraudulence, hypocrisy, inaccuracy, infidelity, insincerity, lie, mendacity, misrepresentation, perfidiousness, perfidy, prevarication, sham, story, tale, treachery, uncandidness, unfaithfulness, unreality, untruth
Antonyms: true statement, truth, verity
Concept: lying
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Entry: fib
Function: noun
Definition: lie
Synonyms: BS, bull, bunk, canard, cock-and-bull story, crock, equivocation, evasiveness, fabrication, fairy tale, falsehood, falsity, fiction, invention, jazz, line, mendacity, misrepresentation, prevarication, spinach, story, tale, untruth, untruthfulness, white lie, whopper, yarn
Concept: lying
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Entry: fiction
Function: noun
Definition: story
Synonyms: anecdote, banana oil, book, BS, cliff-hanger, clothesline, cock-and-bull story, concoction, crap, crock, drama, fable, fabrication, falsehood, fancy, fantasy, fib, fish story, hooey, imagination, improvisation, invention, jazz, legend, lie, misrepresentation, myth, narrative, novel, potboiler, prevarication, romance, smoke, story, storytelling, tale, tall story, terminological inexactitude, untruth, whopper, yarn
Concept: document
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Entry: fraud
Function: noun
Definition: deception
Synonyms: artifice, bamboozlement, bamboozling, blackmail, cheat, chicane, chicanery, con, craft, deceit, double-dealing, dupery, duping, duplicity, extortion, fake, fast one, fast shuffle, flimflam, fourberie, fraudulence, graft, guile, hanky-panky, hoax, hocus-pocus, hoodwinking, hustle, imposture, line, misrepresentation, racket, scam, sell, shakedown, sham, sharp practice, skunk, smoke, song, spuriousness, sting, string, swindle, swindling, treachery, trickery, vanilla
Concept: lawlessness
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Entry: lie
Function: noun
Definition: untruth
Synonyms: aspersion, backbiting, calumniation, calumny, complete distortion of the facts, corker, deceit, deception, defamation, detraction, dishonesty, disinformation, distortion, evasion, fable, fabrication, falsehood, falseness, falsification, falsity, fib, fiction, fish story, forgery, fraudulence, guile, hyperbole, inaccuracy, invention, libel, mendacity, misrepresentation, misstatement, myth, obloquy, perjury, prevarication, revilement, reviling, slander, subterfuge, tale, tall story, terminological inexactitude, vilification, white lie, whopper
Concept: lying

Perhaps I'm over simplifying but I feel the outrage has been fueled more by the improper use of the word "misrepresentation," than it has a deep believe that no one appreciates the Shelter or says thank you enough.
Most definitions I found for misrepresentation implied a willful intent to deceive. I know I don't (and a lot of people here don't) believe the Shelter intended to deceive ...

-

So now what ... Rather than continuing the arguments ... what are people's suggestions on the best way to resolve the tensions ...
Or we all just going to say **** it ... ? Heh, heh. biggrinangel.gif

And

07-08-2003, 09:23 PM

Weird ...
Is there a bad language edit feature enabled? My computer just edited ... Sorry ... back to the topic. http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/blackeye/lookaroundlightblue.gif

JMJ

07-08-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]That was good. I'm dying over here!.....JMJ graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Kenrick _

07-08-2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]That was good. I'm dying over here!.....JMJ graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]same here graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
graemlins/rofl.gif

can i borrow that? :D

BHouse

07-08-2003, 09:43 PM

"Iz goin' to the Promise Land?!?"
"Cleveland?!?"
"No, Timbuck the Promise Land!!!"
"Minnesota?!?"
"Timbuck, the Promise Land..."
"Ohio."

This person needs a hug. graemlins/bighug.gif

ivanjb

07-08-2003, 09:48 PM

Fuk this writing stuff. I'm getting into miming.

http://home.earthlink.net/~maydayinc/Mime.jpg

imported_Gman

07-08-2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by alexander james zen:
does gman catch a lot of shit from this site? There is a fair amount of in the background bullshit that goes along with running a site like this. I do pick my battles carefully.

-G

BHouse

07-08-2003, 10:01 PM

The question is? Where did Lobo fall from??? graemlins/conf44.gif

falko

07-08-2003, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones?

Is it because they are black?

Why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not?

Is it because they are black?

Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late?

Is it because they are black?

Why would someone say on another thread that Shelter should not get the benefit of the doubt?

Is it because they are black?

Why aint anyone talk about the sound difficulties at the basketball party in miami yet mad peeps got beef with the sound at a nyc outdoor party?

Is it because they are black?

Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

Is it because they are black?

Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events?

Is it because they are black?

Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments?

Is it because they are black?

I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....if Timmy and company were smart they would get rid of their current clientele and go for the moneyt (btw...my spot is opening this fall and i don't give a fig if most of you come or not...cause y'all aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of)

with vitriol

Martk B
Magus
the Mechanic
Buddy Love
LeRoi Destouts
and Lobo Tomi you have now pointed out the "white elephant" standing in the middle of the room!!

this is not much different than the incessant criticism aimed at black athletes, and the media's portrayal of them as overpaid and spoiled, despite the fact that they earn a fraction of what top corporate executives do, and contribute a whole lot more to the performance of their organizations.

it's a shame that race plays such a powerful role in BOTH the disproportionate complaints aimed in certain directions, as well as the often emotional and illogical rebuttals.

the question remains however, when will WE (u know who) get our acts together?? it's easy to ignore the unfair criticism, but i am still a bit pained by the actions that open the doors for this criticism...

Mah'chew

07-08-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
The question is? Where did Lobo fall from??? graemlins/conf44.gif Or was he pushed? graemlins/rofl.gif

Dj Pat

07-08-2003, 10:56 PM

over & over graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

The Buddy Love Show

07-08-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones?

Is it because they are black?

Why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not?

Is it because they are black?

Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late?

Is it because they are black?

Why would someone say on another thread that Shelter should not get the benefit of the doubt?

Is it because they are black?

Why aint anyone talk about the sound difficulties at the basketball party in miami yet mad peeps got beef with the sound at a nyc outdoor party?

Is it because they are black?

Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

Is it because they are black?

Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events?

Is it because they are black?

Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments?

Is it because they are black?

I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....if Timmy and company were smart they would get rid of their current clientele and go for the moneyt (btw...my spot is opening this fall and i don't give a fig if most of you come or not...cause y'all aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of)

with vitriol

Martk B
Magus
the Mechanic
Buddy Love
LeRoi Destouts
and Lobo Tomi you have now pointed out the "white elephant" standing in the middle of the room!!

this is not much different than the incessant criticism aimed at black athletes, and the media's portrayal of them as overpaid and spoiled, despite the fact that they earn a fraction of what top corporate executives do, and contribute a whole lot more to the performance of their organizations.

it's a shame that race plays such a powerful role in BOTH the disproportionate complaints aimed in certain directions, as well as the often emotional and illogical rebuttals.

the question remains however, when will WE (u know who) get our acts together?? it's easy to ignore the unfair criticism, but i am still a bit pained by the actions that open the doors for this criticism... [/QUOTE]ahh those actions that opened the door to this...and i agree noone is ithout sin...in some defense i offer a line from p-funk (paraphrase actually) "we have done so much for so long with so little we are now qualified to do the impossible with nothing"..although advertisers are now seeinng the value of the ethnic dollar, in niche markets like hoiuse they will be highly suspect to donate a tthing (and money is the lubricant of businesss)...for example; if i approach a liquor company and a car company like porsche and a clothing company and tell them that i have 3000 young caucasian americans who will be at a show to see snoop dogg i can bang them for 20 Gs a pop and be able to do the event right (hint hint)...i do the same proposal and offer the shelters demographic and they laugh in my face....the question we househeads have to figure out is why? (MAW is on the right track, but the spanish market is also hot right now)

peeps on this board sy i focus on money...damn straight cause this is a business and if you are gonna play the game ya better recognize

peace

[ July 09, 2003, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth ]

07-08-2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by liL Ray:

great post.....i bet 5 pages on this one. I think you're gonna lose that bet. Seven pages, here we come.

07-09-2003, 12:32 AM

Don't mind me I'm just passing through jackin' a few threads. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/walksmil.gif Once I've completed my mission I'll be on my way, so just lay silently and it will all be over soon. Thank you for your cooperation. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

Insert pseudonym here

07-09-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:

Let's talk about it!

Is it because they are black? {unidentified homosapien peeks out from behind wall and slips Lil' Ray a sheet of paper... the paper reads as followed)

Answer: Yes**

**Now the summerstage sound thang has been like that for about 5 years running, it's damn near a tradition**

lyot

07-09-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:

peeps on this board sy i focus on money...damn straight cause this is a business and if you are gonna play the game ya better recognize

peace [/QB]Man, there's much more then business to the deephouse scene..It's sad you only think in terms like that.

YUJI-SAN

07-09-2003, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by YUJI-SAN:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
....I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....Ummm...so why are you still here on DHP? [/QUOTE]ummm why don't you take a flying leap at the sun [/QUOTE]Wow, this from a negro who can correctly spell vitriol...I expected better from you. But seriously, why would you continue to visit and post on a message board which contains scads of the broke, ghetto azz, ungrateful phuckers you constantly complain about? I don't understand why someone would continue to participate on a site or on a scene that seems to disgust them so...perhaps the lady doth protesteth too much? graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]why cause i can....cause i've put out records on this scene and thrown parties on this scene and done em SUCCESSFULLY..i'm a bigger househead than most of you lames cause i make it work for me and do the do to so i earned my fuggin stripes and my rights to bitch...what you do o goddess of the disco? [/QUOTE]What did you put out? I'm curious to know. [/QUOTE]Doug Smith may be able to answer your question YUJI [/QUOTE]Doug, if you are reading this,
what record did Magus put out??

[ July 09, 2003, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: YUJI-SAN ]

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Insert pseudonym here:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:

Let's talk about it!

Is it because they are black? {unidentified homosapien peeks out from behind wall and slips Lil' Ray a sheet of paper... the paper reads as followed)

Answer: Yes**

**Now the summerstage sound thang has been like that for about 5 years running, it's damn near a tradition** [/QUOTE]thank you much for saying that...the sound at summerstage is never great but peeps deal with it...cause its free and when it isn't fans are supporting peeps they wanna see and seem to be much more accomodating of the pitfalls....
not like the ingrates on this scene who want everything and are unwilling to pay for anything

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:

peeps on this board sy i focus on money...damn straight cause this is a business and if you are gonna play the game ya better recognize

peace Man, there's much more then business to the deephouse scene..It's sad you only think in terms like that. [/QB][/QUOTE]No whats sad is that grown people who supposedly are on this scene don't have the dollars necesaary to support it....ask Strictly

the only thing on the deephouse scene is bums and crumbs

lyot

07-09-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:

peeps on this board sy i focus on money...damn straight cause this is a business and if you are gonna play the game ya better recognize

peace Man, there's much more then business to the deephouse scene..It's sad you only think in terms like that. [/QUOTE]No whats sad is that grown people who supposedly are on this scene don't have the dollars necesaary to support it....ask Strictly

the only thing on the deephouse scene is bums and crumbs [/QB][/QUOTE]hey Magus,
wasn't it you that was talking about the old days, with speakers you made yourself, and of which the sound sucked ..And didn't you enjoy yourself more back then? Was money or support an issue back then ?

greetings

darrow

07-09-2003, 08:37 AM

The easiest thing for me to do is answer some of these from my perspective and not try to speak for a whole population of people. I guess it is up to you to read individual responses and then move towards or away from generalizations about why people are motivated to do or say what they do.

I'll take a stab at a couple of them...(and for some I'd like some clarification before even attempting to answer)...

"why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones? Is it because they are black?"

This question asks something as though it were already assumed to be the truth. Are you saying that white entrepreneurs always get respect and that black ones never do?

"why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not? Is it because they are black?"

I've only been to Crobar once for some Frankie Knuckles thing a few July's ago and the crowd was majority-black, so I'm not clear about the issue here? Is Crobar not usually black? Are you implying that DJs (regardless of color) show more respect to a clubnite with mainly whites than they do for one with mainly blacks? DJs don't do no-shows at white events? If they do, does the ocurrence of a no-show at a black event imply a race issue (disrespect for blacks) and a no-show at a white-event imply...what?

"Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late? Is it because they are black?"

Doesn't this question assume or imply that the same people who went to Summerstage and complained about the sound also went to Opium Gardens and experienced the wait outside but yet did not complain online? I went to Summerstage and yeah...I had issues with the sound and said so (though I also included in my post the things I enjoyed). I also went to Opium Gardens for the MAW EOL party, but I didn't stand in line in the blazing sun. I walked right in. Maybe it was a different party you are referring to? The point I'm making (and probably poorly) is that I see you connecting dots from these two events that aren't really all that connectable, though I do definitely understand the notion you are getting at. The answer to your question could easily be (for some)..."I wasn't there" or "I didn't wait". I think your question about the basketball party in Miami is similar. Again, I'm an example of someone who said the Summerstage sound sucked and said so, but I didn't attend the basketball party so I couldn't have commented on that.

"Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are? Is it because they are black"

When I was in line, I remember wondering exactly how my donation was going to be used. I wanted to know if it was specifically set aside to support Summerstage events or was it used for the park in general or what. I actually never assumed that Shelter would get the donation. That wouldn't have made sense. Is it possible that others had similiar questions or is it only possible to assume that people focused on the race issue in your question? I'm black though and maybe the question you ask assumes that those who questions the donation process were white?

"Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events? Is it because they are black?"

Good question and i think 6 23 touched on it - that question of how much appreciation/praise is too little, enough, or too much. How is it quantified? I also wondered yesterday just how many people on DHP went to the party. I think there's an additional aspect. I wonder, if we simply counted the initial negative comments and the initial positive comments - in other words, we did not count the responses to the comments nor the responses to the responses - would the balance between positive and negative still be out of whack? I tend to think that this message board, like others, enjoys threads that are full of heated (often negative sounding) discussions, regardless of whether the thread is focusing on negative towards blacks, whites, gays, whatever. I also think that message boards have a way of making something seem much larger than it really is. I have to constantly remind myself that seeing 10 or 20 people (out of 3000) respond to a post is probably not a good sampling of popular opinion.

"Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments? Is it because they are black?"

Implied in this question is the notion that people on the board are reluctant to speak out against racist promoters but they have no problem speaking out against Robbi, a black promoter? People on DHP are reluctant to speak out against racists??? That has not been my impression of DHP at all. From my perspective, Robbi said some off-the-cuff comment and got flamed for it. If a white promoter had said "fu** off", I have a feeling that promoter would've gotten flamed too, no? I'd like to know who these promoters are that you mention? Were there uneventful, short threads about these racist promoters in the past on this board?

After all that...(yeah, it's a slow day at work), I do understand the implications and hidden meanings in the questions and yes, I do agree that blacks often (way too often) get the short end of the stick - in terms of respect, praise, etc. But, your questions seemed almost too easily and too readily geared towards generalizing why, for the specific scenarios, people behave a certain way.

Maybe I could've just responded with "it depends" to each one?

my fingers hurt.

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:

peeps on this board sy i focus on money...damn straight cause this is a business and if you are gonna play the game ya better recognize

peace Man, there's much more then business to the deephouse scene..It's sad you only think in terms like that. [/QUOTE]No whats sad is that grown people who supposedly are on this scene don't have the dollars necesaary to support it....ask Strictly

the only thing on the deephouse scene is bums and crumbs [/QUOTE]hey Magus,
wasn't it you that was talking about the old days, with speakers you made yourself, and of which the sound sucked ..And didn't you enjoy yourself more back then? Was money or support an issue back then ?

greetings [/QB][/QUOTE]so you're saying that the over 500 posts on the shortcomings of Shelters attempt at a free party for mostly lowlives were expressions of how much they enjoyed and appreciated wht was given to them?

and was i not saying that i did this in the park for free

"cabs cost money, rent costs money, food costs monet lousi" jamie lee curtis

when you have to pay the RENT then thats a business...or should we try to pawn it off as a charity and give it all away

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by darrow:
The easiest thing for me to do is answer some of these from my perspective and not try to speak for a whole population of people. I guess it is up to you to read individual responses and then move towards or away from generalizations about why people are motivated to do or say what they do.

I'll take a stab at a couple of them...(and for some I'd like some clarification before even attempting to answer)...

"why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones? Is it because they are black?"

This question asks something as though it were already assumed to be the truth. Are you saying that white entrepreneurs always get respect and that black ones never do?

"why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not? Is it because they are black?"

I've only been to Crobar once for some Frankie Knuckles thing a few July's ago and the crowd was majority-black, so I'm not clear about the issue here? Is Crobar not usually black? Are you implying that DJs (regardless of color) show more respect to a clubnite with mainly whites than they do for one with mainly blacks? DJs don't do no-shows at white events? If they do, does the ocurrence of a no-show at a black event imply a race issue (disrespect for blacks) and a no-show at a white-event imply...what?

"Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late? Is it because they are black?"

Doesn't this question assume or imply that the same people who went to Summerstage and complained about the sound also went to Opium Gardens and experienced the wait outside but yet did not complain online? I went to Summerstage and yeah...I had issues with the sound and said so (though I also included in my post the things I enjoyed). I also went to Opium Gardens for the MAW EOL party, but I didn't stand in line in the blazing sun. I walked right in. Maybe it was a different party you are referring to? The point I'm making (and probably poorly) is that I see you connecting dots from these two events that aren't really all that connectable, though I do definitely understand the notion you are getting at. The answer to your question could easily be (for some)..."I wasn't there" or "I didn't wait". I think your question about the basketball party in Miami is similar. Again, I'm an example of someone who said the Summerstage sound sucked and said so, but I didn't attend the basketball party so I couldn't have commented on that.

"Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are? Is it because they are black"

When I was in line, I remember wondering exactly how my donation was going to be used. I wanted to know if it was specifically set aside to support Summerstage events or was it used for the park in general or what. I actually never assumed that Shelter would get the donation. That wouldn't have made sense. Is it possible that others had similiar questions or is it only possible to assume that people focused on the race issue in your question? I'm black though and maybe the question you ask assumes that those who questions the donation process were white?

"Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events? Is it because they are black?"

Good question and i think 6 23 touched on it - that question of how much appreciation/praise is too little, enough, or too much. How is it quantified? I also wondered yesterday just how many people on DHP went to the party. I think there's an additional aspect. I wonder, if we simply counted the initial negative comments and the initial positive comments - in other words, we did not count the responses to the comments nor the responses to the responses - would the balance between positive and negative still be out of whack? I tend to think that this message board, like others, enjoys threads that are full of heated (often negative sounding) discussions, regardless of whether the thread is focusing on negative towards blacks, whites, gays, whatever. I also think that message boards have a way of making something seem much larger than it really is. I have to constantly remind myself that seeing 10 or 20 people (out of 3000) respond to a post is probably not a good sampling of popular opinion.

"Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments? Is it because they are black?"

Implied in this question is the notion that people on the board are reluctant to speak out against racist promoters but they have no problem speaking out against Robbi, a black promoter? People on DHP are reluctant to speak out against racists??? That has not been my impression of DHP at all. From my perspective, Robbi said some off-the-cuff comment and got flamed for it. If a white promoter had said "fu** off", I have a feeling that promoter would've gotten flamed too, no? I'd like to know who these promoters are that you mention? Were there uneventful, short threads about these racist promoters in the past on this board?

After all that...(yeah, it's a slow day at work), I do understand the implications and hidden meanings in the questions and yes, I do agree that blacks often (way too often) get the short end of the stick - in terms of respect, praise, etc. But, your questions seemed almost too easily and too readily geared towards generalizing why, for the specific scenarios, people behave a certain way.

Maybe I could've just responded with "it depends" to each one?

my fingers hurt. so am i supposed to answer the questions of the questions with more questions (like this one)?

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 08:50 AM

my 'lowlives" crack above was out of oder....there were mostly people who attended that i'm sure were appreciative and thankful for what they recieved...i'm sorry that the assholes have gotten to me

[ July 09, 2003, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

darrow

07-09-2003, 08:53 AM

My short answer...Yes. You started this whole thing by asking tons of questions. It's only fair that you have to answer tons more. smile.gif

Less short answer...

sure, if you have the time and the desire. You of course know that you aren't required to answer anything, with answers or more questions.

I'm thinking that dialog usually involves more than just statements and answers, don't you think? To really have a conversation about a topic (and not just have people talking AT each other) don't you have to often ask questions?

Also...admittedly...I'm not a quick thinker and tend to see too many ways to answer broad questions. I need things to be more focused.

Feel free to ignore my whole post though.

[ July 09, 2003, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: darrow ]

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by darrow:
My short answer...Yes. You started this whole thing by asking tons of questions. It's only fair that you have to answer tons more. smile.gif

Less short answer...

sure, if you have the time and the desire. You of course know that you aren't required to answer anything, with answers or more questions.

I'm thinking that dialog usually involves more than just statements and answers, don't you think? To really have a conversation about a topic (and not just have people talking AT each other) don't you have to often ask questions?

Also...admittedly...I'm not a quick thinker and tend to see too many ways to answer broad questions. I need things to be more focused.

Feel free to ignore my whole post though. not ignoring but i'm not a great typist and to go back and forth and read questions and question answers to questions...well you get the idea....you don't have to put your thoughts asanswers but a short thesis as to your views would be sufficient and make respoding easier

El Mayimbe

07-09-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
why do people disrespect black entrepeneurs and not white ones?

Is it because they are black?
nah, trust me white ones get flack too

Why do cats pull that shady not show up at the club on time so that you get the late nite spot you feel you deserve crap at Shelter...would they do the same at the new Crobar?..why not?

dont understand your point BUT cats were showing up @Twillo and even today with Tenaglia, Junior & Jonathan Peters & other venues very late and PAY full price

Is it because they are black?

Why is it that Shelter can throw a free party that has some technical problems and be flagellated online...yet few people say word one about waiting outside Opium Gardens for 1 to 2 hours in the blazing Miami sun because that show is late?
cause that was in Miami and you if I were from Kansas City and this is my ONLY opportunity to hear Sasha n Digweed or whomever I too wouyld wait @the line........(and btw, the bitching seems only to come from some individuals on DHP ;)

Is it because they are black?

Why would someone say on another thread that Shelter should not get the benefit of the doubt?

hating maybe?

Is it because they are black?

Why aint anyone talk about the sound difficulties at the basketball party in miami yet mad peeps got beef with the sound at a nyc outdoor party?

boredom @work , hating

Is it because they are black?

Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?
cause their cheap and they dont support, I've always said that supporting isnt about just showing up @a venue but contributing financially like buying a drink or 2. If your broke then just DONT GO OUT. Plain n simple

Is it because they are black?

Why so little words of praise for putting on an incredible 22 HOURS of events?
messageboArds DO NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY VOICE, its the net and anonimity is comforting to bitch

Is it because they are black?

Why dis Robbi who promotes to a minority crowd so that y'all have something to do yet say nothing about the scads of promoters who don't want your NIGGER and SPIC asses in their establishments?

who u callin a spic CHOLO! hail.gif Robbie's da man, and he's doing his job right

Is it because they are black?

I'll tell you the truth...i am strictly about the money at this point in life and will never throw an event for househeads at all....You people are broke and stupid and have a complete lack of class...to dis people who put out for y'all and get so little return is why i have walked away from the scene...****ing ghetto ass ungrateful ****ers.....if Timmy and company were smart they would get rid of their current clientele and go for the moneyt (btw...my spot is opening this fall and i don't give a fig if most of you come or not...cause y'all aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of)

embrace the love! lol! this is a business Mark, your on the right frame of mind to understand what is going on and I'm happy about that, not too many people get that through their heads ;)

with vitriol

Martk B
Magus
the Mechanic
Buddy Love
LeRoi Destouts
and Lobo Tomi dfj

[ July 09, 2003, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: EL MAYIMBE ]

TEK

07-09-2003, 09:07 AM

Why does everything have to come down to race - how about a little respect for each other.

On the shelter thing: You better be glad you don't live in the UK DJ's don't turn up/turn up and don't play all the time and club enterance fees of £15-£20 is pretty normal. Get over it, its been and gone, move on with your lives and enjoy what you had and not what you think you might have enjoyed more if you could have had it.

jimmymack-2000

07-09-2003, 09:08 AM

There is no racial element to any of this. Like I said, I've seen hundreds of punks kick in speakers at a show because the headliner "couldn't make it across the border," which usually means too high/too drunk/too tired to play...

JoeB

07-09-2003, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

come on, man. that's foul. i asked because i was curious and i do like to know where my money goes when i donate it. what a damn shame when you can't ask a question and people are quick to assume something totally off the wall.

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
There is no racial element to any of this. Like I said, I've seen hundreds of punks kick in speakers at a show because the headliner "couldn't make it across the border," which usually means too high/too drunk/too tired to play... falko is so damn smart i so i will defer to his eloquence:
you have now pointed out the "white elephant" standing in the middle of the room!!
this is not much different than the incessant criticism aimed at black athletes, and the media's portrayal of them as overpaid and spoiled, despite the fact that they earn a fraction of what top corporate executives do, and contribute a whole lot more to the performance of their organizations.
it's a shame that race plays such a powerful role in BOTH the disproportionate complaints aimed in certain directions, as well as the often emotional and illogical rebuttals.
the question remains however, when will WE (u know who) get our acts together?? it's easy to ignore the unfair criticism, but i am still a bit pained by the actions that open the doors for this criticism...

darrow

07-09-2003, 09:16 AM

On the real, Magus...my thesis really would be "it depends".

I know there are racial issues. I know that race permeates each and every aspect of our lives, and not in a healthy, productive way. I can bet also that most on DHP know this also. BUT, is race a mitigating factor in all of our behaviors, particularly in those situations you present via your questions? I don't think so. I think people are bit more complex then that. I think human behavior is much more complex than that. (at least I'm hoping it is because I do want to go back to school to study psychology and learn more about human behavior. It would be shame to go to every class and here the professor say "RACE! (as he scribbles the word on the chalkboard)...that's the issue...class dismissed!").

One of my thoughts is that you intentionally posed these questions to start a conversation (not just a thread of statements and counter-statements). Maybe that was an incorrect thought on my part? Maybe you simply came to the table with what you believe to be The Truth (I think you reference Truth in your sig) and wanted others to just agree with that Truth?

I think the issue with typing is a wide-spread issue on all messageboards or anywhere that requires electronic communication. We tend to want to type in short snippets and statements. Maybe that is one of the problems with this medium and that inability or lack of desire to type paragraphs ultimately hampers our ability to communicate well and have real dialog.

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

come on, man. that's foul. i asked because i was curious and i do like to know where my money goes when i donate it. what a damn shame when you can't ask a question and people are quick to assume something totally off the wall. [/QUOTE]lets see....summerstage in central park has a free party and Chaka Khan and you are wondering where your donation is going

say the above slowly it kinda sticks to the lobes better

ooh oooh ooh i know...the money is going for crack

i mean the set up, breakdown, security and cleanup is all a freebie in a city thats cutting school construction and raising taxes

JoeB

07-09-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

come on, man. that's foul. i asked because i was curious and i do like to know where my money goes when i donate it. what a damn shame when you can't ask a question and people are quick to assume something totally off the wall. [/QUOTE]lets see....summerstage in central park has a free party and Chaka Khan and you are wondering where your donation is going

say the above slowly it kinda sticks to the lobes better

ooh oooh ooh i know...the money is going for crack

i mean the set up, breakdown, security and cleanup is all a freebie in a city thats cutting school construction and raising taxes [/QUOTE]I DIDN'T EVEN GO THIS YEAR!!!! I SAID THIS WAS WHEN I WENT A FEW YEARS AGO!!!! i was just curious on where the money goes? and if it was to offset costs, then i would totally understand. but if it was going to a major cause, then that would have been cool too. JUST A MOTHER****ING QUESTION, MAGUS. why you reading into so negatively when i thougth i fully explained myself in another thread.

mhd

07-09-2003, 09:43 AM

now that was a good question by JoeB: "why are you reading into so negatively?"

JoeB

07-09-2003, 09:45 AM

what about: where do the "donations" go to this "free" show?

was that a good question too, mhd?

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lobo Tomi, a man who fell to earth:
Why do people question where the donation for summerstage is going too (oogah boogah those blacks is making off with our loot, you know how dishonest THEY are?

come on, man. that's foul. i asked because i was curious and i do like to know where my money goes when i donate it. what a damn shame when you can't ask a question and people are quick to assume something totally off the wall. [/QUOTE]lets see....summerstage in central park has a free party and Chaka Khan and you are wondering where your donation is going

say the above slowly it kinda sticks to the lobes better

ooh oooh ooh i know...the money is going for crack

i mean the set up, breakdown, security and cleanup is all a freebie in a city thats cutting school construction and raising taxes [/QUOTE]I DIDN'T EVEN GO THIS YEAR!!!! I SAID THIS WAS WHEN I WENT A FEW YEARS AGO!!!! i was just curious on where the money goes? and if it was to offset costs, then i would totally understand. but if it was going to a major cause, then that would have been cool too. JUST A MOTHER****ING QUESTION, MAGUS. why you reading into so negatively when i thougth i fully explained myself in another thread. [/QUOTE]ok let me rephrase...a few years ago when you went.......see above blahblahblah...and while not as cash starved as now Parks Commisioner Henry Stern was hitting peeps hard for fees to do any events in the park (well not if you are Disney or HBO or rich and white)

does that soothe your emotions...i don't wanna read into negative

JoeB

07-09-2003, 09:57 AM

man, this has nothing to do with emotions but i do not understand your angle. i asked a question because, like i said in the other thread, this was my second time in NYC and i was barely getting into house and i read on some messageboard that there was this free show at the park. so after i got let in, someone asked me for a donation and it was obvious she was part of the volunteers so i gave her money but wondered where this money goes to? that's all i was asking as i have been part of a lot of outdoor FREE shows and not once had i seen someone going around asking for some kind of donation unless it was for a SPECIFIC cause. so again, that's why i asked. if i knew it was going to be this much trouble to ask this question, i would have never asked. damn.

MYOR

07-09-2003, 09:57 AM

No its not because your black...Its because people don't know better...

But bashing people isn't going to make them learn anything.. In fact it makes you the less indicated person to try and educate anyone. Question is why haven't you learned that???

[ July 09, 2003, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
No its not because your black...Its because people don't know better...

But bashing people isn't going to make them learn anything.. In fact it makes you the less indicated person to try and educate anyone. Question is why haven't you learned that??? please send this statement to Newt Gingrich: co/ The US Congress/Judiciary and Presidency...Washington DC USA

DeesKo

07-09-2003, 10:03 AM

I think part of it is related to the proximity of the do-ers to the attenders and the lack of proximity between the do-ers and the shakers.

There are a LOT more people who went and had a great time, but they aren't on this board, they aren't online, they just showed up at the club and had a blast and went home. You never get to hear from them and its a shame. Like Timmy Richardson said... lets start a post about the great moments at the party and I bet it lasts 2 pages MAX.

White, rich HBO puts on some show @ Summer Stage and I make my donation but the whole thing sucks.

Who do I complain to ?

Its not like the president of HBO posts on here and its not like I've kidded myself into thinking he and I are tight because we read the same message boards.

Furthermore, even if someone DOES complain to HBO about this, you're just gonna get the brush off, maybe they'll pass you two free tickets for next years event (mind you, its free to begin with, but its an illusion that makes the common dolt feel better) and they'll move on.

Meanwhile, on here people think because Robbi posts here, and they post here, that they are deserving of a breakdown of everything that happens behind the scenes, when really, thats why those things happen behind the scenes.

Now, that being said... the whole thing could have been handled better on EVERYONE'S part, but thats why we all need a little love and understanding.

Peace

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 10:07 AM

Deesko...you've been posting some great commentary that has been fair an unbiased

respect yo

DeesKo

07-09-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Deesko...you've been posting some great commentary that has been fair an unbiased

respect yo while insanely over the top with the delivery, you're bringing up some great points. The internet has brought a whole different realm to the reality of promoting, of selling, of business.

We all think our opinions matter because instead of it being stuck between our lips with no one to hear it, we can post it for the WHOLE world to read and that makes it fact. Its an interesting juxtaposition of power in many ways.

Besides, I'm just tryin to be a good liberal white boy, thats all. :D

Peace

mhd

07-09-2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by DeesKo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Deesko...you've been posting some great commentary that has been fair an unbiased

respect yo while insanely over the top with the delivery, you're bringing up some great points. The internet has brought a whole different realm to the reality of promoting, of selling, of business.

We all think our opinions matter because instead of it being stuck between our lips with no one to hear it, we can post it for the WHOLE world to read and that makes it fact. Its an interesting juxtaposition of power in many ways.

Besides, I'm just tryin to be a good liberal white boy, thats all. :D

Peace [/QUOTE]hahahaha!!!

And

07-09-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by JoeB:
man, this has nothing to do with emotions but i do not understand your angle. i asked a question because, like i said in the other thread, this was my second time in NYC and i was barely getting into house and i read on some messageboard that there was this free show at the park. so after i got let in, someone asked me for a donation and it was obvious she was part of the volunteers so i gave her money but wondered where this money goes to? that's all i was asking as i have been part of a lot of outdoor FREE shows and not once had i seen someone going around asking for some kind of donation unless it was for a SPECIFIC cause. so again, that's why i asked. if i knew it was going to be this much trouble to ask this question, i would have never asked. damn. Dude ... You can never account for how people wish to hold onto their perspective of things without hearing what the other person keeps trying to clarify. It saddens me that a simple question could be taken and twisted to mean things the asker is stating (again and again) they didn't intend. There was nothing wrong with the question in my opinion - If others wish to keep thinking you implied something else then so be it. Sometimes people find it easier to hold onto the negative rather than try to come a decent understanding. Shit ... even agreeing to disagree can be a chore around here. ;)

and Darrow ...
You make reading a delight! :D

statuskuo

07-09-2003, 12:09 PM

Most house DJs suck ass. Especially the sorta big names.

Bold Soul

07-09-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
man, this has nothing to do with emotions but i do not understand your angle. i asked a question because, like i said in the other thread, this was my second time in NYC and i was barely getting into house and i read on some messageboard that there was this free show at the park. so after i got let in, someone asked me for a donation and it was obvious she was part of the volunteers so i gave her money but wondered where this money goes to? that's all i was asking as i have been part of a lot of outdoor FREE shows and not once had i seen someone going around asking for some kind of donation unless it was for a SPECIFIC cause. so again, that's why i asked. if i knew it was going to be this much trouble to ask this question, i would have never asked. damn. Dude ... You can never account for how people wish to hold onto their perspective of things without hearing what the other person keeps trying to clarify. It saddens me that a simple question could be taken and twisted to mean things the asker is stating (again and again) they didn't intend. There was nothing wrong with the question in my opinion - If others wish to keep thinking you implied something else then so be it. Sometimes people find it easier to hold onto the negative rather than try to come a decent understanding. Shit ... even agreeing to disagree can be a chore around here. ;)

and Darrow ...
You make reading a delight! :D [/QUOTE]People who assert more questions than statements do so to confound others.

darrow

07-09-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
People who assert more questions than statements do so to confound others. could you explain that in more detail please? (and no, I'm not trying to confound you) You don't think it's possible that someone who asks a lot of questions is seeking clarification?

And

07-09-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
man, this has nothing to do with emotions but i do not understand your angle. i asked a question because, like i said in the other thread, this was my second time in NYC and i was barely getting into house and i read on some messageboard that there was this free show at the park. so after i got let in, someone asked me for a donation and it was obvious she was part of the volunteers so i gave her money but wondered where this money goes to? that's all i was asking as i have been part of a lot of outdoor FREE shows and not once had i seen someone going around asking for some kind of donation unless it was for a SPECIFIC cause. so again, that's why i asked. if i knew it was going to be this much trouble to ask this question, i would have never asked. damn. Dude ... You can never account for how people wish to hold onto their perspective of things without hearing what the other person keeps trying to clarify. It saddens me that a simple question could be taken and twisted to mean things the asker is stating (again and again) they didn't intend. There was nothing wrong with the question in my opinion - If others wish to keep thinking you implied something else then so be it. Sometimes people find it easier to hold onto the negative rather than try to come a decent understanding. Shit ... even agreeing to disagree can be a chore around here. ;)

and Darrow ...
You make reading a delight! :D [/QUOTE]People who assert more questions than statements do so to confound others. [/QUOTE]and the same logic could be applied in reverse.