The Loft's Audio Path/Menu & Solution

[mdpm99]

re Loft party Oct 12;

After quite a bit research and trial and error I have been able to by pass my Mitch Cottier Ttables to a restored and modified Techniques 1100.

They are also adapted with a Koetsu tone arms and Koetsu Head Shells and of course the Koetsu Carthridges.

All phono wiring/cables are of maxiumn qualtity.

Because the Koetsu effortlessly gives off so much musical energy I had to include the Rosner suspension tables for underneath to minimize the possbility of feedback at high levels where the bass may be dominate at a given moment.

So after 5 years ......I have for one reason or another been able to bring the Loft's sound system tottaly back to Class A. I was for the most part able to focus more in the direction of the music rather than having a sound system dictate the chain of events. I was free of a lot of frustrations and distractions so often one has to endure.
I found myself bringing the level up to it's own and was able to just relax and enjoy the moment.

5 - Klipsch Horns (corner full range/passive crossovers)

3 - Mark Levinson Amps - MONO (Class A - 25 watts)

1 - Mark Levinson - Stereo Amplifier

One dividing network (Mitch Cottier) with line amps

One Mark Levinson ML 1 Pre amp

2 MONO delay units (class A) for side channels

Can reach 110 DB effortlessly and without distortion with plenty of head room left. (vol level on pre amp averages only to about number "1" to reach 100 db ...in the low position)

Music is Love

d


Ps. Please note ...no mixer was involved. This maximized the "openess" of the sound i.e. the bouquet.

Note: Please feel free to ask any questions re the above.

PPs. The above was done for 2/3 less in costs then I have previously done i.e. it is affordable!

[ October 14, 2003, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Shannon]

Congratulations David!! Now it's time for me to come and experience the Class A setup. I thought the system was pretty clean at the loft party in Feburary but now knowing that moving coil cartridges are involved in the picture I can't imagine how better it would sound..

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Shannon:
Congratulations David!! Now it's time for me to come and experience the Class A setup. I thought the system was pretty clean at the loft party in Feburary but now knowing that moving coil cartridges are involved in the picture I can't imagine how better it would sound.. Greetings Shannon:

Thank you......perserverance furthers.

;)

d

Did you rec yr pkg??

[simon b]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
I was for the most part able to focus more in the direction of the music rather than having a sound system dictate the chain of events. I was free of a lot of frustrations and distractions so often one has to endure.
I found myself bringing the level up to it's own and was able to just relax and enjoy the moment.
This is fantastic.
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[JoeB]

Originally posted by simon b:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
I was for the most part able to focus more in the direction of the music rather than having a sound system dictate the chain of events. I was free of a lot of frustrations and distractions so often one has to endure.
I found myself bringing the level up to it's own and was able to just relax and enjoy the moment.
This is fantastic.
smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]it truly is. glad to hear you had a good time, david. and i hope day i'm able to attend one of your infamous parties.

[Jolyon]

Great news David!

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Are you planning a similar set-up in London?

[imported_Gman]

Thanks for sharing the setup info.

[Cheddar]

The party was as always..OFF THE HOOK.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Great news David!

graemlins/OLA.gif

Are you planning a similar set-up in London? Greetings Jolyon,

50/50 chance at the moment. I am contemplating re airplane costs (600 USD) + if something like the tone arms get damaged (no longer available) then major prob. --- so something to that effect. Plus they thought they were weapons when I brought back parts from Japan and they almost consfigatged them!!!! Plus the ML-1 lights up the x-ray machine like a christmas tree and that alone was 30 minute delays just for that on my last tour .....which included 5 different plane trips.

I think the set up re ttables should be done over there and left there for future events.

In the meantime we have taken steps fwd re a better sound co and next step will be a better room re room acoustics. As long as we are taking steps in the right direction then it just will get better each time.

d

Ps There are two class a ttables with moving coils there now that we might use .......a mutual friend of yours and mine....l@@king into to it....

[Dj Alex]

Hello David,

Do you find it a major problem getting what you want in London. The only thing I can think of is regarding the equipment you choose to use as in the Loft NY. And the availability , I am sure you are finding it easier with Rolph though right ?.

I hope you can get want you want right for this party as i have been fortunate to hear how good it can sound.

Peace Alex. ;)

[Cedric Woo]

Originally posted by 1343:
The party was as always..OFF THE HOOK. My friend Nao -Loft regular for the last few years- told me he'd never heard a sound that pure before...close to the original Loft sound from the 70s according to the older lofties.
I'm starting to plan another pilgrimage pretty soon!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Dj Alex:
Hello David,

Do you find it a major problem getting what you want in London. The only thing I can think of is regarding the equipment you choose to use as in the Loft NY. And the availability , I am sure you are finding it easier with Rolph though right ?.

I hope you can get want you want right for this party as i have been fortunate to hear how good it can sound.

Peace Alex. ;) Greetings DJ Alex,

Good the hear from you and hope all is well over yonder.

Yes Rolph is very human and spirited and loves music.
This is always a good start.

To have what I would use would mean shipping my entire system over there. For ex. I would prefer Klipsch
over any other speaker as they are totally efficient and have passive x - overs, which allows one to keep the system "simple" and therefore more musical. Also I do not think they are using class a components. This does not mean we can not have good results just not the best which I believe all music lovers should have. And if we can at least kept the front-end class a then we have a really good start. Kept in mind that the room we are using also has acoustical limitations so maybe going all the way with class a will be more worthwhile in a better room. I can assure you that it will be better than the last time and it will be clean, honest and musical. Remember, my ultimate reference is very critical and for most part class a/b is a very good next step.

I am looking fwd to the next level in Nov.

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d

[ October 14, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Maria]

The party was soooooooo good Dave!!! Attendance was very high yet that space seems to be able to just absorb it all...the people, the sound, the food...a great way to establish the autumnal equinox ;)

I appreciate getting this audio feedback from you, I'm oblivious to all this as its taking place and its a great feeling to digest it afterwards when I'm wound down, to learn what makes that energy work!

P.S. The ttable set up high on the cement blocks, now that is a set up where a nervous non-playing wreck like me could put the needle on the record without skipping/trembling, it really looks doable :D !

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Maria:
The party was soooooooo good Dave!!! Attendance was very high yet that space seems to be able to just absorb it all...the people, the sound, the food...a great way to establish the autumnal equinox ;)

I appreciate getting this audio feedback from you, I'm oblivious to all this as its taking place and its a great feeling to digest it afterwards when I'm wound down, to learn what makes that energy work!

P.S. The ttable set up high on the cement blocks, now that is a set up where a nervous non-playing wreck like me could put the needle on the record without skipping/trembling, it really looks doable :D ! Greetings Maria

Good to hear from you.

Your home made Rum Cake had my taste buds dancing! It was excellent. I am sooo happy that we could all have this opportunity .. .to share an eveing together as a musical family.

There is no place like h-OM-e.


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d

[Brenda]

My First Loft Party.
Two words...Incredible Sound.

Powerful vibe, Lovely Sangria ;) .

Okay more than two wordz..

Thank You.

[Jolyon]

David

I am wondering if there is someone who could provide Klipsch for you over here. I have a feeling there is one company that does sell them in the UK. I will investigate.

Also...am keeping an eye out for other spaces.

Here is one...

www.karma-productions.com (http://www.karma-productions.com)

[mangina]

David, So sorry to have missed your party on Sunday. Had to pull baby-sitting duty.

Anyway you continue to inspire me with your knowledge of sound and also vibe. You are a living legend and deserve nothing but the upmost respect.

Keep doing what your doing.

JD

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
David

I am wondering if there is someone who could provide Klipsch for you over here. I have a feeling there is one company that does sell them in the UK. I will investigate.

Also...am keeping an eye out for other spaces.

Here is one...

www.karma-productions.com (http://www.karma-productions.com) Jolyon,

"Hears" a thought......maybe they would sponsor the event and provide spks. Because of the "diet" that the spks would be fed might just interest them as it will allow their product to perform in the upmost way.

I am often approach by sound co.'s or if necessary I will approach them.

Thank you for the info re the space. Your dedication to the music world is appreciated.


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d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Brenda:
My First Loft Party.
Two words...Incredible Sound.

Powerful vibe, Lovely Sangria ;) .

Okay more than two wordz..

Thank You. smile.gif

d

[muel]

Thanks for the setup details David,

I would love to experience a loft party 1st hand one day, it sounds very special. Also I was wondering what type of speaker cable you use? There seems to be a lot of different opinions as to what type works best.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by muel:
Thanks for the setup details David,

I would love to experience a loft party 1st hand one day, it sounds very special. Also I was wondering what type of speaker cable you use? There seems to be a lot of different opinions as to what type works best. Greetings Muel;

Pure copper with pure rubber instalation.....I think it is 10 gauge....very thick. It will increase in value over the years as it is made out of pure copper.

Also if using mono amps with a 1 meter length will prove to be a small investment.

Mark Levinson spk cable

Have a great day, muel!

d

[lucifersam]

in the context of venues, we put on a party at the 291 gallery (www.291gallery.com). we do it in the bar, but there is the central church part, which is a big and wonderful space. don't know whether it would live up to the loft's very precise and rigorous acoustic requirements though?

looking forward to the UK loft party.

all good wishes

[Jolyon]

Just had a flashback.

Saw a programme recently on Ghandi...stay with me here...and it mentioned when he came to stay in the East End...and it showed the hall he stayed in as it is now and i remember thinking, 'oh that's a nice space'....i'll see if i can remember what it's called.

[matthew]

Originally posted by david mancuso:


There is no place like h-OM-e.


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d h-OHM surely, consiering the nature of the discussion... smile.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Just had a flashback.

Saw a programme recently on Ghandi...stay with me here...and it mentioned when he came to stay in the East End...and it showed the hall he stayed in as it is now and i remember thinking, 'oh that's a nice space'....i'll see if i can remember what it's called. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

d

[Shannon]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shannon:
Congratulations David!! Now it's time for me to come and experience the Class A setup. I thought the system was pretty clean at the loft party in Feburary but now knowing that moving coil cartridges are involved in the picture I can't imagine how better it would sound.. Greetings Shannon:

Thank you......perserverance furthers.

;)

d

Did you rec yr pkg?? </font>[/QUOTE]David checked yesterday and so far nothing as of yet. I will be checking today though.. Thanks for asking...

[mdpm99]

Please note:

When I mentioned above that one could arrive at 100 db with only being on number one on the volume control.........

--this reading was taking with a spl meter in "slow" -- "C" weighted position with musical information rather than pink noise.

This reading was about 40 feet from the center of the room and 65 feet from the on coming sound where speakers orginate from.

This is quite a distance. If I did it at "near field" -- 3 feet then I think I would only be able to raise the volume to minus 80% of number one on the volume control

This only shows the efficientcy (spel check off today!!) of the system which of course can be life or death between being musical or non musical in nature.

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Shannon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shannon:
Congratulations David!! Now it's time for me to come and experience the Class A setup. I thought the system was pretty clean at the loft party in Feburary but now knowing that moving coil cartridges are involved in the picture I can't imagine how better it would sound.. Greetings Shannon:

Thank you......perserverance furthers.

;)

d

Did you rec yr pkg?? </font>[/QUOTE]David checked yesterday and so far nothing as of yet. I will be checking today though.. Thanks for asking... </font>[/QUOTE]should be there by today or tomorrow the very latest....priority mail.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
Just had a flashback.

Saw a programme recently on Ghandi...stay with me here...and it mentioned when he came to stay in the East End...and it showed the hall he stayed in as it is now and i remember thinking, 'oh that's a nice space'....i'll see if i can remember what it's called. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

http://www.kingsleyhall.freeuk.com/

Not far from where Tim lives I think.
d </font>[/QUOTE]

[drilla]

hey david,

it is very impressive all of the things you listed about the sound and set up of your system.

i have a question. what is your profession...do you do this for a living? i remember seeing you over at dub spot back when it was still open...but, do you other things as well?

if this is too personal, you need not answer.

mj

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by lucifersam:
in the context of venues, we put on a party at the 291 gallery (www.291gallery.com). we do it in the bar, but there is the central church part, which is a big and wonderful space. don't know whether it would live up to the loft's very precise and rigorous acoustic requirements though?

looking forward to the UK loft party.

all good wishes Greetings:

Churches for the most part compete with each other for
"who has the most angelic" sound.....they who have will be " closer" to God.

Having said that then if the room is not to reverberant than it is worth a shot.

Please advise

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by matthew j:
hey david,

it is very impressive all of the things you listed about the sound and set up of your system.

i have a question. what is your profession...do you do this for a living? i remember seeing you over at dub spot back when it was still open...but, do you other things as well?

if this is too personal, you need not answer.

mj It is more of a lifestyle than anything else.

theloftnyc.com

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
hey david,

it is very impressive all of the things you listed about the sound and set up of your system.

i have a question. what is your profession...do you do this for a living? i remember seeing you over at dub spot back when it was still open...but, do you other things as well?

if this is too personal, you need not answer.

mj It is more of a lifestyle than anything else. Other than that I would probably be a fisherman, which in that case I would have issues of putting a helpless worm on a hook and then having to deal with giving first aid to any fish I might catch and then sending it back home while it can still be free.

theloftnyc.com

d </font>[/QUOTE]

[ October 14, 2003, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[drilla]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
hey david,

it is very impressive all of the things you listed about the sound and set up of your system.

i have a question. what is your profession...do you do this for a living? i remember seeing you over at dub spot back when it was still open...but, do you other things as well?

if this is too personal, you need not answer.

mj It is more of a lifestyle than anything else. Other than that I would probably be a fisherman, which in that case I would have issues of putting a helpless worm on a hook and then having to deal with giving first aid to any fish I might catch and then sending it back home while it can still be free.

theloftnyc.com

d </font>[/QUOTE]</font>[/QUOTE]that's great.

i dig the fisherman bit...me too man!

vegan?

[ October 14, 2003, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: matthew j ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by mangina:
David, So sorry to have missed your party on Sunday. Had to pull baby-sitting duty.

Anyway you continue to inspire me with your knowledge of sound and also vibe. You are a living legend and deserve nothing but the upmost respect.

Keep doing what your doing.

JD The only true wealth we have in this world are our children.


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d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
hey david,

it is very impressive all of the things you listed about the sound and set up of your system.

i have a question. what is your profession...do you do this for a living? i remember seeing you over at dub spot back when it was still open...but, do you other things as well?

if this is too personal, you need not answer.

mj It is more of a lifestyle than anything else. Other than that I would probably be a fisherman, which in that case I would have issues of putting a helpless worm on a hook and then having to deal with giving first aid to any fish I might catch and then sending it back home while it can still be free.

theloftnyc.com

d </font>[/QUOTE]</font>[/QUOTE]that's great.

i dig the fisherman bit...me too man!

vegan? </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/grinyes.gif

d

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by david mancuso:


This only shows the efficientcy (spel check off today!!) of the system which of course can be life or death between being musical or non musical in nature.

d David,

Great thread.

Have you ever taken a frequency response reading w. pink noise on your "reference" sound system to check how flat the response is ?

Have you made it a point to strive for a response as flat as possible (ie choosing different equipment and sacrificing something else, ie power, just to acheive a flat response) or rather chosen to let quality equipment and set up take priority over artificially altering the frequency response ?

Peace

Rob

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:


This only shows the efficientcy (spel check off today!!) of the system which of course can be life or death between being musical or non musical in nature.

d David,

Great thread.

Have you ever taken a frequency response reading w. pink noise on your "reference" sound system to check how flat the response is ?

Have you made it a point to strive for a response as flat as possible (ie choosing different equipment and sacrificing something else, ie power, just to acheive a flat response) or rather chosen to let quality equipment and set up take priority over artificially altering the frequency response ?

Peace

Rob </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Rob:

The mid range is the only part you want to be flat.

Now if you have good room acoustics + the fact that the recording is equalized than all n' all everything should come correctly. I am not sure of exactly what the x over points are on the klipsch but i could find out.

Otherwise you would have to tweek the sound system to the room using electronic x overs.

d

Ps

Yes many times I have used a real time analyzer with pink noise .....it is manditory in most situations. It is one thing however to use one but it is also an art. Finally if all is well the third ear will come to life.

[ October 14, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Greetings Rob:

The mid range is the only part you want to be flat.

Now if you have good room acoustics + the fact that the recording is equalized than all n' all everything should come correctly. I am not sure of exactly what the x over points are on the klipsch but i could find out.

Otherwise you would have to tweek the sound system to the room using electronic x overs.

d

Ps

Yes many times I have used a real time analyzer with pink noise .....it is manditory in most situations. It is one thing however to use one but it is also an art. Finally if all is well the third ear will come to life. Thanks David, I couldn't agree more with the third ear...

Peace

[D J 1 3 8]

I am no sound wizard but your systemn sounded GREAT on Sunday. Thanks for the experience. By the way, are you using tube amps?

Afterwards I went to Louie Vega at Shelter. The contrast in decibel level was eye-opening.

[imported_Chr_stopher]

david, i would like to learn more in this area. can you suggest any good books to read.

thx,

c-

[ October 14, 2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Christopher L. Aquilo ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
david, i would like to learn more in this area. can you suggest any good books to read.

thx,

c- Chris*

Come to think of it I never actually read a book on this and at the same time cover as many areas that we are covering.

I think there might be some on the board that may be helpful with your request.

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
I am no sound wizard but your systemn sounded GREAT on Sunday. Thanks for the experience. By the way, are you using tube amps?

Afterwards I went to Louie Vega at Shelter. The contrast in decibel level was eye-opening. Greetings DJ 138:

No, not using tube.....but close to it if not almost the same. Good on the high end.

re: sound levels....the cleaner the system the more one can go to higher levels without discomfort. However going over some points are not healthy for the ear organ.

d

[Number Two]

I am proud to say I am no longer a Loft virgin anymore. I can't think of any experience I have ever had that could compare to this. I have come to the conclusion that if everyone in the world would go at least once to a Loft party,you would see a lot more positive reports in the news from around the world. I stood on the floor in the middle of the speakers when David played Fly Like an Eagle. I must have heard that song a million times growing up,but I never heard it like that! I want to publicly thank David for the fond memory I would carry with me for a long time. David,I'm sorry we didn't get to go have lunch. My work is so dependent on me right now because I am the only one that shows up and does my job,but I promise I will be up very,very soon and will give you more notice on when I will be there and stay a little longer next time.
Peace,Walter.

[imported_Chr_stopher]

i would like to make it in febuary

[D J 1 3 8]

David

I am aware of the existence of live recordings some of your LOFT events. Do you have any plans to make these available?

[john]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
re Loft party Oct 12;

After quite a bit research and trial and error I have been able to by pass my Mitch Cottier Ttables to a restored and modified Techniques 1100.

They are also adapted with a Koetsu tone arms and Koetsu Head Shells and of course the Koetsu Carthridges.

All phono wiring/cables are of maxiumn qualtity.

Because the Koetsu effortlessly gives off so much musical energy I had to include the Rosner suspension tables for underneath to minimize the possbility of feedback at high levels where the bass may be dominate at a given moment.

So after 5 years ......I have for one reason or another been able to bring the Loft's sound system tottaly back to Class A. I was for the most part able to focus more in the direction of the music rather than having a sound system dictate the chain of events. I was free of a lot of frustrations and distractions so often one has to endure.
I found myself bringing the level up to it's own and was able to just relax and enjoy the moment.

5 - Klipsch Horns (corner full range/passive crossovers)

3 - Mark Levinson Amps - MONO (Class A - 25 watts)

1 - Mark Levinson - Stereo Amplifier

One dividing network (Mitch Cottier) with line amps

One Mark Levinson ML 1 Pre amp

2 MONO delay units (class A) for side channels

Can reach 110 DB effortlessly and without distortion with plenty of head room left. (vol level on pre amp averages only to about number "1" to reach 100 db ...in the low position)

Music is Love

d


Ps. Please note ...no mixer was involved. This maximized the "openess" of the sound i.e. the bouquet.

Note: Please feel free to ask any questions re the above.

PPs. The above was done for 2/3 less in costs then I have previously done i.e. it is affordable! graemlins/respekt.gif
I know you´re really close to the organic sound

I´m curious bout the klipsch speakers.. you use 5 with center mono etc for good surround right?

Is that 5 stacks with bass-speaker and hi-end speakers or is it ONLY 5 full range speakers?

do you remember we used 10 bass-speakers and 10 hi end speakers for our party?? with the flip trick you learned me.. thats a whole lot more than just 5

I´m would also really like to know the speaker arrangements you used in the 70´s and if you balanced the system back then as you do now??

cheers /john

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
David

I am aware of the existence of live recordings some of your LOFT events. Do you have any plans to make these available? Yes, and FK is on the label side with this one as he was the recording engineer. 1984 - 12 hour party. The quality is excellent re the sound track .....live.


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d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Walter Jones:
I am proud to say I am no longer a Loft virgin anymore. I can't think of any experience I have ever had that could compare to this. I have come to the conclusion that if everyone in the world would go at least once to a Loft party,you would see a lot more positive reports in the news from around the world. I stood on the floor in the middle of the speakers when David played Fly Like an Eagle. I must have heard that song a million times growing up,but I never heard it like that! I want to publicly thank David for the fond memory I would carry with me for a long time. David,I'm sorry we didn't get to go have lunch. My work is so dependent on me right now because I am the only one that shows up and does my job,but I promise I will be up very,very soon and will give you more notice on when I will be there and stay a little longer next time.
Peace,Walter. Greetings Walter

Lunch with a brew sounds great. Nice to have met you.


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[Jolyon]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
David

I am aware of the existence of live recordings some of your LOFT events. Do you have any plans to make these available? Yes, and FK is on the label side with this one as he was the recording engineer. 1984 - 12 hour party. The quality is excellent re the sound track .....live.


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d


d </font>[/QUOTE]Sounds wonderful! Twelve hours of music smile.gif

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
David

I am aware of the existence of live recordings some of your LOFT events. Do you have any plans to make these available? Yes, and FK is on the label side with this one as he was the recording engineer. 1984 - 12 hour party. The quality is excellent re the sound track .....live.
</font>[/QUOTE]Sounds cool, but I was referring to the DATs that were rolling this past Sunday. Semmed like some kind of condenser mic set-up. I realize this was not an ideal recording situation, but DHP's mix archives could be a nice destination for such a mix, with crowd reaction and all.

[Dj Alex]

David,

Are you planning to release this live session from the Loft then ?. And is francois going to release it through Wave. Like good wine was 1984 a good year for you ?.

peace Alex. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[muel]

Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
david, i would like to learn more in this area. can you suggest any good books to read.

thx,

c- Hi Christopher, "The Yamaha sound rienforcement book" is a good(broard) over view of live sound and there is another good one I cant think of but will check when I get home but these are not really specific to what David is talking about.

[John Hall]

Originally posted by muel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
david, i would like to learn more in this area. can you suggest any good books to read.

thx,

c- Hi Christopher, "The Yamaha sound rienforcement book" is a good(broard) over view of live sound and there is another good one I cant think of but will check when I get home but these are not really specific to what David is talking about. </font>[/QUOTE]This here book is THE BIBLE of sound re-enforcement!

Don and Carolyn Davis, "Sound System Engineering."

http://snurl.com/2oae

I don't know about the Yamaha book, but Yamaha made
some of the WORST SOUNDING monitors in the history
of recorded music, so bad that engineers routinely
performed what's called "the Charmin Mod", aka the
Charmin Modification: place a thick wad of Charmin
or similar thick paper towel over the tweeter `cus it
sounds so nasty.

So I'd go with the Don/Carolyn Davis book anytime,
as it's more thorough, and not biased and written
by a manufacturer of equipment.

I belive there are some good links on the Klipsch
website too.

And in general, David is dealing with an
"Audiophile" application of sound-reenforcement
principles, in an attempt to get the best
possible sound.

[Hippie]

Hey David congrats. Glad to hear the 1100's have worked out. Now that your using them the price of my 1100's went up a couple of hundred bucks. Thx smile.gif

[muel]

My mistake, I was thinking of a different book the one mentioned is not really related to live sound.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
David

I am aware of the existence of live recordings some of your LOFT events. Do you have any plans to make these available? Yes, and FK is on the label side with this one as he was the recording engineer. 1984 - 12 hour party. The quality is excellent re the sound track .....live.
</font>[/QUOTE]Sounds cool, but I was referring to the DATs that were rolling this past Sunday. Semmed like some kind of condenser mic set-up. I realize this was not an ideal recording situation, but DHP's mix archives could be a nice destination for such a mix, with crowd reaction and all. </font>[/QUOTE]opps!

He has been coming to the party for many years and always sets up a mic, When people ask if they could tape it I suggest that they do it "from the air."

The one FK and I did was done with high end state of the art German Mics and was taped live.

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Dj Alex:
David,

Are you planning to release this live session from the Loft then ?. And is francois going to release it through Wave. Like good wine was 1984 a good year for you ?.

peace Alex. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Greetings Dj Alex:

To answer your question, 84' was a good year for all.....
and yes, that is our intent..

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by john:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
re Loft party Oct 12;

After quite a bit research and trial and error I have been able to by pass my Mitch Cottier Ttables to a restored and modified Techniques 1100.

They are also adapted with a Koetsu tone arms and Koetsu Head Shells and of course the Koetsu Carthridges.

All phono wiring/cables are of maxiumn qualtity.

Because the Koetsu effortlessly gives off so much musical energy I had to include the Rosner suspension tables for underneath to minimize the possbility of feedback at high levels where the bass may be dominate at a given moment.

So after 5 years ......I have for one reason or another been able to bring the Loft's sound system tottaly back to Class A. I was for the most part able to focus more in the direction of the music rather than having a sound system dictate the chain of events. I was free of a lot of frustrations and distractions so often one has to endure.
I found myself bringing the level up to it's own and was able to just relax and enjoy the moment.

5 - Klipsch Horns (corner full range/passive crossovers)

3 - Mark Levinson Amps - MONO (Class A - 25 watts)

1 - Mark Levinson - Stereo Amplifier

One dividing network (Mitch Cottier) with line amps

One Mark Levinson ML 1 Pre amp

2 MONO delay units (class A) for side channels

Can reach 110 DB effortlessly and without distortion with plenty of head room left. (vol level on pre amp averages only to about number "1" to reach 100 db ...in the low position)

Music is Love

d


Ps. Please note ...no mixer was involved. This maximized the "openess" of the sound i.e. the bouquet.

Note: Please feel free to ask any questions re the above.

PPs. The above was done for 2/3 less in costs then I have previously done i.e. it is affordable! graemlins/respekt.gif
I know you´re really close to the organic sound

I´m curious bout the klipsch speakers.. you use 5 with center mono etc for good surround right?

Is that 5 stacks with bass-speaker and hi-end speakers or is it ONLY 5 full range speakers?

do you remember we used 10 bass-speakers and 10 hi end speakers for our party?? with the flip trick you learned me.. thats a whole lot more than just 5

I´m would also really like to know the speaker arrangements you used in the 70´s and if you balanced the system back then as you do now??

cheers /john </font>[/QUOTE]john,

- only 5 full range spks.

- center channel spk is minus 6db and in mono. This gets rid of the "hole" between the left and right spk + enhances localization and etc. Using a sound around devise to me is just more electronics to spend $ on (and this stuff can add up in dollars) and more that the signal has to be processed. We have a left ear and a right ear --- a left track and right track ----sound is 180 degrees coming at you and u as the listner are the other 180 degress = 360 degress....the sonic path/trail to the 3rd ear.

re the 70's.....much more equiptment than was needed.
It came out to $45 a watt.....very expensive.

d

P.s

Now that things seem to be taking a hold in this current space I will of course exhaust every possible nuance to fully tweek the room and the system. There is again only a point where we can take this ...as the ultimate musical situation is live and acoustic where no electronics are used, wanted, or needed.

[ October 15, 2003, 08:29 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[DeesKo]

David...

I'm coming more from the home/car audio realm than club sound so forgive me if these are basic or non-applicable to club sound but these came to me last night while I was working on a wiring diagram for my new car system :


Do you run any of your amps bridged or are they all running "straight through" at normal impedance loads based on the speaker stacks nominal ohm rating ?

If you do bridge the amps, how far down to you bridge them ohm load wise ?

Are the cabinets you use wired in parallel or in serial or a combination of both or do you know ?

Do you ever wire sets of speakers purposely with the oppposite polarity for any reason (there are specific times when doing this in a car application can give a false sense of "space" that you don't have in a car interior) ?

Thanks

Rob