Do you think Bush will be re-elected??

[Jamie 3:26]

I am asking this because i have ever seen a president not get elected in the middle of a war.This is far from over.They want to handle the whole middle east.It was too damn easy for Iraq,so Syria and possibly saudi Arabia is next.

I saty he has it in the bag.There is also a part in the patriot act that says the president has the power to call in martial law and cancel elections,even presidiatial elections.Expect something to happen on home turf again.

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorsit,but this whole goverment stinks to high hell.I will vote again,like i always do,if they allow me. graemlins/puke.gif

[Querck]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I am asking this because i have ever seen a president not get elected in the middle of a war.This is far from over.They want to handle the whole middle east.It was too damn easy for Iraq,so Syria and possibly saudi Arabia is next.

I saty he has it in the bag.There is also a part in the patriot act that says the president has the power to call in martial law and cancel elections,even presidiatial elections.Expect something to happen on home turf again.

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorsit,but this whole goverment stinks to high hell.I will vote again,like i always do,if they allow me. graemlins/puke.gif You answered the question you asked. :(

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I am asking this because i have ever seen a president not get elected in the middle of a war.This is far from over.They want to handle the whole middle east.It was too damn easy for Iraq,so Syria and possibly saudi Arabia is next.

I saty he has it in the bag.There is also a part in the patriot act that says the president has the power to call in martial law and cancel elections,even presidiatial elections.Expect something to happen on home turf again.

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorsit,but this whole goverment stinks to high hell.I will vote again,like i always do,if they allow me. graemlins/puke.gif You answered the question you asked. :( </font>[/QUOTE]Just trying to get some dialogue goin d.This has been on my mind for some time.I wonder if the folks who took to the streets,will take to the polls in the same way.

[Austin/Dallas]

He proved he can steal a election before...

[konbit]

On the whole, Americans love him...especially those who vote.

[Martin Red]

Thatcher re-elected in U.K after Falklands the sheep got liberated and Reagan conviently could have had a great Nuclear area to launch at any south american countries he found nasty or ones that didn't remember him in Love is on the Air.

So, it's possible, people go all silly when wars start.

I am thinking positive, for the U.S.A for the world.

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[ April 14, 2003, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Jamie 3:26]

I understand ya pissed Martin,but damn,why mess up the board?? graemlins/rofl.gif

[mhd]

but he has created unprecedented opposition, since he lost the popular vote last time, he should be vulnerable this time, especially if Kerry is the nominee and his running mate is from the south

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I understand ya pissed Martin,but damn,why mess up the board?? graemlins/rofl.gif I've rectified the problem, my HMMMMMM.... was too long ;)

[JoeB]

Originally posted by mhd:
but he has created unprecedented opposition, since he lost the popular vote last time, he should be vulnerable this time, especially if Kerry is the nominee and his running mate is from the south i was thinking about this on the way in but what if dick chaney chooses to not be his running mate and GWB asks condeleeza rice to be his running mate or even colin powell. would that influence anybody out there to vote for GWB knowing that after his second term one of those two could possiby be the president of the united states?

[Jolyon]

A very good Democratic candidate would have spanked his arse last time.

Would Hilary run or has she ruled it out?

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
A very good Democratic candidate would have spanked his arse last time.

Would Hilary run or has she ruled it out? you think she is a "good deomocratic candidate"?

[Jolyon]

I have no opinion of Hilary at all - it was just a question. I'm a Brit and so I'm no expert on US politics - that's what I was asking smile.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
but he has created unprecedented opposition, since he lost the popular vote last time, he should be vulnerable this time, especially if Kerry is the nominee and his running mate is from the south i was thinking about this on the way in but what if dick chaney chooses to not be his running mate and GWB asks condeleeza rice to be his running mate or even colin powell. would that influence anybody out there to vote for GWB knowing that after his second term one of those two could possiby be the president of the united states? </font>[/QUOTE]if he chooses powell, its a lock, same with rice but only slightly less so

hilary will mount a vigorous campaign for the democratic nomination

[Jolyon]

mhd - Hilary next election or the one after?

[mhd]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
A very good Democratic candidate would have spanked his arse last time.

Would Hilary run or has she ruled it out? you think she is a "good deomocratic candidate"? </font>[/QUOTE]you gotta say yes to this question, if only for the reason that when you get hils you get bill and he was overwhelmingly popular in his base

[mdpm99]

50/50 at this point - and if everyone gets out and votes this time....purrrrrhaps we will have a regime change.

d

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
mhd - Hilary next election or the one after? next one, why wait? there are no heavyweights in the mix, although there is a slight logjam in the northeast with Lieberman, Kerry and Hilary

[Billy Woods]

With no real difference between the main political parties the only thing you can be sure of is wide scale voter apathy.

Big up the Scottish Socialist Party for the forthcoming elections!!!

[JoeB]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
but he has created unprecedented opposition, since he lost the popular vote last time, he should be vulnerable this time, especially if Kerry is the nominee and his running mate is from the south i was thinking about this on the way in but what if dick chaney chooses to not be his running mate and GWB asks condeleeza rice to be his running mate or even colin powell. would that influence anybody out there to vote for GWB knowing that after his second term one of those two could possiby be the president of the united states? </font>[/QUOTE]if he chooses powell, its a lock, same with rice but only slightly less so

hilary will mount a vigorous campaign for the democratic nomination </font>[/QUOTE]how would that make you feel and would you be inclined to vote for him because the realization of the first black president could become a reality during your lifetime?

[ April 14, 2003, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Billy Woods:
With no real difference between the main political parties the only thing you can be sure of is wide scale voter apathy.

wrong on both points, Gore would never go to war without UN approval, anti-bush sentiment, though unreported, is at an all-time high

[martino]

also remember that Bush sr. lost his re-election even after all the standing ovations and flag waving ceremonies of desert storm...which is why saddam said he won that war. cause bush made it a personal war, and saddam was still in power 4 years later.

[ April 14, 2003, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: martino ]

[Tee Cee 13]

graemlins/puke.gif [/qb][/QUOTE]You answered the question you asked. :( [/qb][/QUOTE]Just trying to get some dialogue goin d.This has been on my mind for some time.I wonder if the folks who took to the streets,will take to the polls in the same way. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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I second that!

[mhd]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
but he has created unprecedented opposition, since he lost the popular vote last time, he should be vulnerable this time, especially if Kerry is the nominee and his running mate is from the south i was thinking about this on the way in but what if dick chaney chooses to not be his running mate and GWB asks condeleeza rice to be his running mate or even colin powell. would that influence anybody out there to vote for GWB knowing that after his second term one of those two could possiby be the president of the united states? </font>[/QUOTE]if he chooses powell, its a lock, same with rice but only slightly less so

hilary will mount a vigorous campaign for the democratic nomination </font>[/QUOTE]how would that make you feel and would you be inclined to vote for him because the realization of the first black president could become a reality during your lifetime? </font>[/QUOTE]my understanding is that the main impediment to elective office for powell is his wife and some other family issues. many, many dems would vote for powell, he has huge crossover potential. there is a school of thought that powell would bring the republicans closer to the center, a true compassionate conservative.

in choosing to be a republican, powell chose against me and the values i treasure, i would work hard against him. the problem is the democrats do not have the balls, brains or crediblity to mount a campaign against a popular black republican. now if bill came out of retirement to be chair of the dnc we got a shot.

but the more i think about it, you begin to realize how great the stakes are. because we could actually get someone much worse than bush

[Querck]

I have to agree with Jamie's original post: I think Bush II has it in the bag. His circle has completely succeeded in their propaganda war on the American people. They will ensure to keep it going till election time: watch it, they are gonna keep on riling up patriotic sentiments by insisting that our national security is threatened, and that Dubya has the record of being tough in "protecting our freedom". The public is gonna buy it once again.

The difference between Bush I and Bush II is that Bush II has a team that is way more skilled in guiding public opinion, mostly by using 9/11 as a great fall back. This is why unlike his father, Bush II will get re-elected.

The Dems are faced with a very tough situation because any criticism of the foreign policy will be quickly labeled anti-American. But, they have to realise that the only way they can win is by opposing the current foreign policy, instead of kissing Bush's ass.

[Tee Cee 13]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
I have to agree with Jamie's original post: I think Bush II has it in the bag. His circle has completely succeeded in their propaganda war on the American people. They will ensure to keep it going till election time: watch it, they are gonna keep on riling up patriotic sentiments by insisting that our national security is threatened, and that Dubya has the record of being tough in "protecting our freedom". The public is gonna buy it once again.
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I must agree with you on this one dannyboy

The difference between Bush I and Bush II is that Bush II has a team that is way more skilled in guiding public opinion, mostly by using 9/11 as a great fall back. This is why unlike his father, Bush II will get re-elected.

The Dems are faced with a very tough situation because any criticism of the foreign policy will be quickly labeled anti-American. But, they have to realise that the only way they can win is by opposing the current foreign policy, instead of kissing Bush's ass.

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by martino:
also remember that Bush sr. lost his re-election even after all the standing ovations and flag waving ceremonies of desert storm...which is why saddam said he won that war. cause bush made it a personal war, and saddam was still in power 4 years later. Great point that might be overlooked. Unless Saddam is proven to be dead, the Bush family will have that to haunt them. Bush II does have 9/11 as a crutch, just like Guiliani, who was considered an awful mayor by some circles before 9/11. Bush's chances in 2004 weigh heavily on what happens in the next year regarding Iraq, Syria, North Korea, and the American economy.

[Woody Rosen]

&lt;---Democrat no matter what

I will NOT be voting for this dumbass again. We have got to get rid of this tool as fast as we can. AR15firing.gif

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by mhd:
how would that make you feel and would you be inclined to vote for him because the realization of the first black president could become a reality during your lifetime? [/qb]my understanding is that the main impediment to elective office for powell is his wife and some other family issues. many, many dems would vote for powell, he has huge crossover potential. there is a school of thought that powell would bring the republicans closer to the center, a true compassionate conservative.

in choosing to be a republican, powell chose against me and the values i treasure, i would work hard against him. the problem is the democrats do not have the balls, brains or crediblity to mount a campaign against a popular black republican. now if bill came out of retirement to be chair of the dnc we got a shot.

but the more i think about it, you begin to realize how great the stakes are. because we could actually get someone much worse than bush [/QB][/QUOTE]

with all due respect
You surprise me Mark.
with the track record of the misuse of black voters in the democratic party and the fact there is no strong potential so far for the next major election
if the scenerio of butch (pun intended)
choosing Powell as running mate the turnout amongst our people would be massive and the campain of would be seen as righting some of the wrongs of the past/and a cool cover up 4 this srtike even then some of the antibush sentiments
would have worn off(hopefully not)
i could see it now
"america is now one" graemlins/puke.gif

am not one to trip on black rebublicans( in know several in the hood too)
nor has 1 party loyalty has proven (democraps)
any better for our people

I do think pressure will be on by next election
the hardnose questions that should have been taking place will show up after the fallout of this has taken place
and folk in this country get the stars and stripe s out thier eyes
so i agree voter apathy will be espec amongst
younger voters

[David Le C]

Too bad Americans always have to choose between evil and lesser evil... the campaign circus allows only the extremely rich to have a 'fair' chance for office. And like Meth states it; "behind every fortune is a crime..."

But do vote for the lesser evil and don't waste your votes on a third candidate without any chance to win... just a objective view from a European...

[AD]

I don't know if he'll get re-elected, but I know he won't get my vote again. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Billy Woods]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Billy Woods:
With no real difference between the main political parties the only thing you can be sure of is wide scale voter apathy.

wrong on both points, Gore would never go to war without UN approval, anti-bush sentiment, though unreported, is at an all-time high </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think that's necessarily true - who would have thought that a labour government would go to war without a UN resolution. What you are saying is pure speculation. As for voter apathy the turn out at the last US election speaks for itself.

[Fletch]

Howard Dean's campain will be a firestorm. This guy's a Clintonite without the baggage. Check that--a McGovernite. He has no skeletons, and he's not afraid to call himself a liberal. All of the other dems are evasive around the war issue. Dean is straight up antiwar, and I got a feeling there's an antiwar sentiment in Middle America that is suppressed right now, and will rise up with his campaign.

Oh, yeah, he has promised universal health care, and is the only candidate not scared to say "we got a race problem".

[David Le C]

Never heard of this Howard Dean, he sounds interesting, do elaborate...

[Leslie]

I can't see Hillary doing anything next election - I see her doing 2 terms as Senator from NY and then seeking national office.

Condeleeza will seek the CA governorship.

Bush re-elected, ultimtely I think it will depend upon the shape of the economy and how many of his previous supporters are out of work and have been out of work for an extended period of time.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by einnod23:
Howard Dean's campain will be a firestorm. This guy's a Clintonite without the baggage. Check that--a McGovernite. He has no skeletons, and he's not afraid to call himself a liberal. All of the other dems are evasive around the war issue. Dean is straight up antiwar, and I got a feeling there's an antiwar sentiment in Middle America that is suppressed right now, and will rise up with his campaign.

Oh, yeah, he has promised universal health care, and is the only candidate not scared to say "we got a race problem". I agree, really looking to learn more about this guy - I think it will make for a very interesting campaign...

[Bill Blake]

Jamie if I remember the stats from my foreign policy class showed that presidents really only have a 50/50 chance of getting re-elected from ‘starting a war’. ‘Pursuing military action’ might be a better term.

Basically a president is taking a big risk in assuming it well help his chances for re-election.

I would guess that typically, the state of the economy might be a more potent indicator, but its going to be difficult to tell in this one.

A big concern might be the almost complete collapse of the democrats edge and whether or not that can come up with a good candidate to oppose Bush too.

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by einnod23:
Howard Dean's campain will be a firestorm. This guy's a Clintonite without the baggage. Check that--a McGovernite. He has no skeletons, and he's not afraid to call himself a liberal. All of the other dems are evasive around the war issue. Dean is straight up antiwar, and I got a feeling there's an antiwar sentiment in Middle America that is suppressed right now, and will rise up with his campaign.

Oh, yeah, he has promised universal health care, and is the only candidate not scared to say "we got a race problem". He sounds interesting to sat the least.The one issue I do have is the disposal of the Black vote.Most Black folks vote blindly democratic.

I have seen the same junk shoved down our throats from the repubs and the dems.At least the Republicans let you know they are gonna stick ya where it hurts.

I think there needs to be a new independent party srated that will see to the needs of Black folks and all other derprived folks.

We have a powerful vote,but no political bloc...anywhere.That's the biggest issue.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
how would that make you feel and would you be inclined to vote for him because the realization of the first black president could become a reality during your lifetime? my understanding is that the main impediment to elective office for powell is his wife and some other family issues. many, many dems would vote for powell, he has huge crossover potential. there is a school of thought that powell would bring the republicans closer to the center, a true compassionate conservative.

in choosing to be a republican, powell chose against me and the values i treasure, i would work hard against him. the problem is the democrats do not have the balls, brains or crediblity to mount a campaign against a popular black republican. now if bill came out of retirement to be chair of the dnc we got a shot.

but the more i think about it, you begin to realize how great the stakes are. because we could actually get someone much worse than bush [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]with all due respect
You surprise me Mark.
with the track record of the misuse of black voters in the democratic party and the fact there is no strong potential so far for the next major election
if the scenerio of butch (pun intended)
choosing Powell as running mate the turnout amongst our people would be massive and the campain of would be seen as righting some of the wrongs of the past/and a cool cover up 4 this srtike even then some of the antibush sentiments
would have worn off(hopefully not)
i could see it now
"america is now one" graemlins/puke.gif

am not one to trip on black rebublicans( in know several in the hood too)
nor has 1 party loyalty has proven (democraps)
any better for our people

I do think pressure will be on by next election
the hardnose questions that should have been taking place will show up after the fallout of this has taken place
and folk in this country get the stars and stripe s out thier eyes
so i agree voter apathy will be espec amongst
younger voters [/QB][/QUOTE]

it would be interesting if powell were in the race. we had a great turnout for the 2000 election and the anti-war feelings will show increases in turnout, especially among young voters. and quite frankly, we should get back a lot of the nader voters, if the past three years wasn't a wake-up call, i don't know what is.

if folks are not happy with the democratic party then they should get involved, on a deeper level. voting is free, but that is not enough, put some time, effort, and money into the mix and then demand that the candidate you support also supports you and what you believe in.

finally, if you want things to change you have to have a positive attitude that you can make things change. pessimisn, cynicism negativity, apathy are losing propositions

[Jamie 3:26]

Brother Mark,how do you feel about the neglect of the Black vote?I feel that our voting power is taken for granted,especially with so many folks blindly voting democratic.

[mhd]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Brother Mark,how do you feel about the neglect of the Black vote?I feel that our voting power is taken for granted,especially with so many folks blindly voting democratic. i don't agree that its being neglected, we don't do a good enough job of holding people accountable because enough of us are not part of the dealmaking process or even a part of the campaign/electoral process. its not enough to vote. you have to ask the candidate what will they do for you in exchange for your vote. then you have to raise money, work on the campaign, make sure that other people get out and vote.

there are two things people don't realize:
1. that a powerful candidate with grassroot support is more powerful than any rich, corporate sponsored candidate

2. that a latino/black coalition is the wave of the future and that coalition can be led by a latino with black support

[djklas]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
I don't know if he'll get re-elected, but I know he won't get my vote again. graemlins/cool_shades.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[mdpm99]

It does not take genius to lead so long as you have fools to follow.......

d

[C hristian]

Hillary won't run. Not yet. Maybe she'll get signed on , however.

But watch out for Edwards. Watch out.


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For right now, as far as I can see, as long as Rove is in power, Rove gets what he wants. Right now, he's pursuading a Latino (Cuban-American) politician in FLA to sign on with Jeb Bush for Bush's gubinatorial reelection. Jeb will be gov of FLA once again.

Yeah, the next election should be exciting.

[music]

gee , i hope not but we are in patriotic times now, and his ratings are up. the next person better know how to come across well w/ their message.

[ April 15, 2003, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: music ]

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
It does not take genius to lead so long as you have fools to follow.......

d So simple, yet so true. Can anyone say Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, or G.W. Bush?

[formerly known as kenspank]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Jamie if I remember the stats from my foreign policy class showed that presidents really only have a 50/50 chance of getting re-elected from ‘starting a war’. ‘Pursuing military action’ might be a better term.

Basically a president is taking a big risk in assuming it well help his chances for re-election.

I would guess that typically, the state of the economy might be a more potent indicator, but its going to be difficult to tell in this one.

A big concern might be the almost complete collapse of the democrats edge and whether or not that can come up with a good candidate to oppose Bush too. all i know is i feel like renting the movie "the day after".

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