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miss al boogie
03-21-2003, 10:54 PM
and Bush will do the job. remember the liberation of Afghanistan?

read this article:
Afghanistan documentary exposes Bush's promises (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035778495100&call_page=TS_Columnists&call_pageid=970599109774&call_pagepath=Columnists)

MICHELE LANDSBERG

Remember Afghanistan? U.S. President George Bush was going to go in there, bomb the Taliban out of existence, catch Osama bin Laden, install a brand-new democracy and make sure that "all the boys and girls could go to school."

Not only that: By routing the Taliban, Bush could enjoy the rare pleasure of draping himself in the silken mantle of a fighter for women's rights.

During his post-war January, 2002 state of the union speech, he introduced leading Afghan feminist and cabinet minister Dr. Sima Samar ("Today, women are free," he said) and basked in the applause of Congress.

If you'd like to check up on the progress of those grand promises, you can do so tonight when The Passionate Eye (CBC Newsworld at 10 p.m.) shows The Daughters of Afghanistan, a new documentary featuring journalist and activist Sally Armstrong, who has visited that country dozens of times since she began crusading for Afghan women's rights in 1996.

The state of Afghanistan is especially relevant right now — though little-reported — because the chaos and misery there give us a glimpse of just how difficult it is to reform a country by means of aerial bombardment.

Armstrong says that only about 30 per cent of Afghan girls attend school today, due to lack of resources and a Taliban-like fundamentalist grip on the country outside the capital. The warlords are still running the country, and their rule is cruel, violent and deeply misogynist.

Outside of Kabul, girls and women are still jailed for trying to escape forced marriages. They are forced to wear the burqa, attacked by fanatic vice squads, and even seized and subjected to demeaning gynecological "chastity" exams if caught anywhere near a man. Schools are firebombed; warlords' troops rape with impunity.

Dr. Samar, so admired by President Bush, was forced out of government by a vicious hoked-up fundamentalist plot a mere six months after becoming deputy prime minister. Reduced to a human rights commissioner, she is left without protection or funds by the indifferent U.S.

In Armstrong's documentary, the camera follows five women over the course of a year. Among the most heartbreaking: Kamala, reluctantly pregnant with her ninth child, who shrugs that she has no right to refuse sex with her husband.

"He hits, so what can I do?" she says. The husband grins and boasts that Islam gives him the "status" of having so many children.

Even more wrenching is the plight of Lima, a shy 13-year-old, orphaned by a Taliban attack, who spends her days cooking and cleaning for five younger siblings. Her only breaks are lonely visits to the cemetery where she watches over her mother's grave.

The United States has utterly failed to keep its promises to Afghanistan, and especially its promises to reinstate democracy (as though democracy could ever be imposed by outsiders, from above ...as it were). It's worth watching this compelling documentary just to taste the courage and resilience of the women, and the depth of their betrayal by American power.

The Washington Post says that American hamburger joints are springing up everywhere in Kabul. There might be post-war hamburgers in Baghdad, too, but there will be no fast-food version of democracy.

Speaking of Afghanistan, I was vastly amused recently to receive an e-mailed copy of a National Post editorial from Feb. 21.

The editorial scolded me and other "hard-left conspiracy theorists" for predicting that Unocal, an American energy company, would be in Afghanistan "two seconds after the end of bombing in Afghanistan." (Yes, I did write that.)

The Post was furious with me and hoped, it said, to make left-wing theories "look silly" for ascribing oily motivations to American wars in Central Asia and the Middle East. It wants to show how wrong we "hard lefties" were about Afghanistan in order to prove that we are equally mistaken about American designs on Iraqi oil.

The Post did admit that, back in the mid-'90s, Unocal had entertained Taliban leaders in Texas, hoping to build a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan to carry Turkmenistan's huge gas reserves to the west. But "Unocal turned its back on Central Asia a long time ago," claimed the Post.

True: in 1998, a fierce public relations campaign led by Mavis Leno (wife of Jay Leno) and The Feminist Majority organization made Unocal back off dealings with the fundamentalist fanatics. Unocal explained on its Web site that it respected women's rights too much to do business with the Taliban.

Strangely, however, things are not quite so cut and dried as the Post imagines

The U.S. energy companies are not yet swarming over ruined Afghanistan because the country is still in a shambles, with no infrastructure, no peace and no safety. The instability and danger are so great that even the most intrepid aid agencies, like Médecins Sans Frontières, are talking of pulling back.

Nevertheless, last year a former U.S. State Department adviser, Martha Brill Olcott, was predicting that "we're 18 months to two years away" from a stabilized Afghanistan and "serious discussion of a U.S.-built pipeline."

Although Unocal strenuously denies any involvement in Afghanistan, its name keeps popping up in news accounts. President Hamid Karzai was formerly employed by a Unocal subsidiary, and last year Bush named a Unocal executive, Afghan-born Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.

Really, we "hard lefties" aren't the only ones who think energy resources have a lot to do with U.S. war aims. A metaphorical two seconds after the Taliban were ousted, in December, 2001, the New York Times business section noted that the state department was investigating "post-Taliban energy projects in the region" and U.S. companies were said to be putting up $1 billion of the costs of a Caspian Pipeline Consortium.

Last May, the BBC reported that Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan were signing a huge deal to build the long-planned pipeline. Mohammed Razim, Afghanistan's mines and industries minister, told the BBC that "Unocal will be the lead company" in funding the pipeline. Unocal denied it. At the same time, a Unocal spokesperson told the Los Angeles Times that the company had no plans there for the foreseeable future, but that "I don't think it would serve me to say `forever.'"

"Business has its secrets and mysteries," said the Afghan deputy minister of mines. "Maybe ... they don't want it to be disclosed in the media."

While I'm flattered to be the subject of such rapt scrutiny by the Post (a favour I rarely return), I think perhaps they ought not to be so hasty and emotional on this subject. Time will prove them wrong.

[ March 21, 2003, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: al boogie ]

Ronnie Ron
03-21-2003, 11:12 PM
Its looking to me like the Bush Administration is trying to nation build, If your not on the same page as us and we think you are a threat then you will be eliminated and we will take you over. Thats a recipe for disaster, US Policies need to be changed not foriegn governments. Bush is a Bully and we cannot afford 4 more years with this fool, if we keep this moron Sooner or later it will be our demise.

By the way, while they think they are liberating Iraq they could be destableizing that country big time, its different factions with different agenda's that could make for some serious confusion within the Iraqi people.

[ March 21, 2003, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: RonnieRon ]

Bold Soul
03-21-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Its looking to me like the Bush Administration is trying to nation build, If your not on the same page as us and we think you are a threat then you will be eliminated and we will take you over. Thats a recipe for disaster, US Policies need to be changed not foriegn governments. Bush is a Bully and we cannot afford 4 more years with this fool, if we keep this moron Sooner or later it will be our demise.

By the way, while they think they are liberating Iraq they could be destableizing that country big time, its different factions with different agenda's that could make for some serious confusion within the Iraqi people. Can't hand the country over to the Kurds, since Turkey, an ally, is a total Kurd hostile nation. Imagine installing a Kurdish controlled democracy next door to a country on the books for human rights violations against Kurds. Not too likely there.

Naaa. This one is a quagmire for certain. This one might have brought colonization back to the Middle East. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Ronnie Ron
03-21-2003, 11:32 PM
Something seems a bit funny to me. They are letting the US storm through the country with little oposition, could this be a trap for the US?

Where is the resistance? are they waiting for the US ground troops to get into Baghdad and then all hell breaks loose suicide bombers women and children comming out of the wood work firing left and right at the US is this possible?

Javier Drada
03-22-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Something seems a bit funny to me. They are letting the US storm through the country with little oposition, could this be a trap for the US?

Where is the resistance? are they waiting for the US ground troops to get into Baghdad and then all hell breaks loose suicide bombers women and children comming out of the wood work firing left and right at the US is this possible? I've had the same concern, but people think I'm crazy... This thing is just a bit too easy right now. Little resistance to what should have been really going on.

[ March 22, 2003, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Javier Drada ]

mdpm99
03-22-2003, 10:37 AM
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Bold Soul
03-22-2003, 12:44 PM
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[ March 22, 2003, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

Jolyon
03-22-2003, 05:54 PM
great post al, thanks.

beemoe44
03-22-2003, 07:31 PM
You need to realize the US isn`t going to these places to install democracy, we`re going there to install capitalism and world dominance. It looks like we`re beginning to overextend ourseleves. I`m a capitalist and I`m saying this.

f0reverneverm0re
03-22-2003, 07:41 PM
Iraqis, Kurds, Shite or Sunni, Saddam even--all have every right to defend themselves, though in the mind of the "white man"--uh, the US, no one should be free to defend themselves having actually the nerve to try and make sovereign nations lay down arms, calling them terrorists and threats to world peace. (and they love when you roll over for their ass and let them rub your belly, like the good niggers around here now).

now, whoever fragged those fvckballs troops in Kuwait today is a "terrorists" and not enemy combatants.

i think people (especially a whole lot of Negroes) are *jealous* of people who have the courage to stand up for themselves instead of roll over and simply becomes cogs in The Machine.

keep working hard, you'll get ahead in Life.
you'll make an infinite amount of money and you'll live forever. the same earth will always rotate around the same unchanging sun and God/JeHoVaH will help you put your jammies on at night, read you a good story from a good book, and tuck you in for a night perfect sleep.

gotta find a woman-gotta find a woman

beemoe44
03-22-2003, 09:13 PM
Very good, Forevermore. I`m a capitalist. Even I don`t want people who can`t think for themselves in any of my companies. I like dissent because that person is seeing something I can`t. Even I don`t agree totally with the system. It`s not designed to work for the "working classes" it`s basically designed for rich peeps. This is the problem we need to open it up much more. Or else we`re headed to a major economic crash in about 12 years.

I was hoping to see African- Americans create our own system. The present system is a majoritarian (not really) system. We`re minorities we need something designed around us. This is what jazz, blues, rock, disco, funk, etc used to be. Our peeps creating something around us. I can see it in the rappers. They created something totally beyond the white man`s comprehension. Most everybody else is standing in line to get in.

(Im)poster
03-23-2003, 02:03 AM
Thanks for posting that, AB.

f0reverneverm0re
03-24-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Its looking to me like the Bush Administration is trying to nation build, If your not on the same page as us and we think you are a threat then you will be eliminated and we will take you over. Thats a recipe for disaster, US Policies need to be changed not foriegn governments. Bush is a Bully and we cannot afford 4 more years with this fool, if we keep this moron Sooner or later it will be our demise.

By the way, while they think they are liberating Iraq they could be destableizing that country big time, its different factions with different agenda's that could make for some serious confusion within the Iraqi people. Can't hand the country over to the Kurds, since Turkey, an ally, is a total Kurd hostile nation. Imagine installing a Kurdish controlled democracy next door to a country on the books for human rights violations against Kurds. Not too likely there.

Naaa. This one is a quagmire for certain. This one might have brought colonization back to the Middle East. </font>[/QUOTE]in the wee hours this morning, some guy was on ABC talking to that 'Allison' anchor woman about how the different religious and ethnic factions of Iraq--from Assyrians (Christians) to the Kurds--were supposedly working to get a new government going. Allison was wondering how this can work blah blah. the two seemed to talk a bit more about the Assyrians possibly taking the lead in the reconstruction effort and Allison stopped to asked the guy if he was a Christian and he said he was.

blah blah like lyot said the news does seem to be informative in certain ways. information to some, propaganda to others...

gabriel
03-24-2003, 05:40 PM
and once again....PNAC can answer your questions about american intentions.

www.newamericancentury.org (http://www.newamericancentury.org)

djklas
03-24-2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
are they waiting for the US ground troops to get into Baghdad and then all hell breaks loose suicide bombers women and children comming out of the wood work firing left and right at the US is this possible? Anything and everything is possible. I don't think you're crazy graemlins/stupid.gif