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JMNYC
10-06-2003, 12:39 AM
Rap Radicals dead prez Taken in Custody During Photo Shoot
'Arrested for Breathing'
by Dasun Allah
October 1 - 7, 2003


Members and supporters of the politically-charged rap group dead prez (dpz), who were arrested Saturday afternoon in Crown Heights, allege the incident was police harassment. Clayton Gavin, a/k/a Sticman, one half of the controversial rap duo, his DJ, Umi Bem Niilampti, and two other associates, Samuel Murrain, a/k/a Ness, and Harris DeJesus, a/k/a D-Don, were in the midst of a photo shoot when they were detained for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, among other charges, after refusing to show identification when queried by police. The cases against all but one of the defendants have already been dismissed.

According to Rosa Clemente, a dpz spokesperson and part of the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM), at around 3:30 p.m., the group members were posing for a photographer in front of a Dean Street and Bedford Avenue building when they were approached by two female cops demanding their identification. In response, the group told the officers they were guests of a friend who lived at the address, and asked the reason for the ID request. Clemente says the police persisted, saying, "'What’s the problem, just show us ID,'" and that the rappers asked, "'For what? Why do we have to show you ID? There’s hundreds of people on this block, you ain’t asking them for ID.'"

dead prez claim that after this exchange the officers called for backup, more police arrived and the group was surrounded. Sticman says he repeatedly asked if he was under arrest, was told that he was not, but wasn’t allowed to leave or continue his work. "I was harassed and attacked by the police in my neighborhood," Sticman told the Voice. "I was never told anything about being under arrest. . . . There were no complaints. I wasn’t violating any laws other than the law of being black and being outside."

After the arrival of reinforcements, a sergeant ordered arrests. "He basically says, 'Arrest them all.' They arrest four people. They don’t arrest all the folks out there," says Kamau Karl Franklin, an MXGM attorney and dpz co-counsel along with Marisa Benton. "Something I found interesting was that the photographer who actually was taking the pictures, who is a white guy from England, wasn’t arrested at all. . . . He was just pushed to the side, and, luckily, he kept taking pictures."

"They also threw [Murrain] on the ground," says Clemente, "and put their knee on his head, and his head is on the sidewalk and he is visibly bruised and cut and they didn’t pick up his shoes, so he’s at the precinct with no shoes." In addition, both Sticman and Clemente say that DeJesus was roughed up and slammed against a vehicle.

Benton, a lawyer for the Legal Aid society contacted by dpz supporters, and the first attorney to see the men, finds the arrest curious. "The bottom line is they were arrested for breathing from what I could tell," says Benton. "Definitely, it was an unjustifiable arrest. I understand the police officers got nosy and tried to find a reason to question them and get their IDs. This is something that happens a lot."

The NYPD says that the officers were responding to a report of male trespassers at the location and observed a male urinating against a wall and several males congregated near a stairway. According to the police version, when the officers approached, and asked for ID to ascertain whether or not the subjects lived at the location, the subjects became disorderly and additional units were called in. The police also say that DeJesus kicked a female officer, causing her to sustain a minor injury to her left leg.

Franklin says that authorities alleged earlier that they saw suspicious movements—someone hiding something under a shirt—and that’s what prompted them to approach the group. He calls that assertion a total cover-up and lie. "It’s obvious what they were doing, they were taking pictures," he says.

Franklin says his clients were within their rights to refuse to give IDs without being given a reason. "There is no pass law," says Franklin referring to the one-time law in South Africa requiring all blacks to carry state-issued passes to enter urban areas. "They are not required to give ID [when] someone just walks up to them and demands ID, even if it’s a police officer. We have no basis for the initial stop."

Charges against Sticman, Niilampti, and Murrain were dismissed early Sunday and they were released from the Brooklyn courthouse without appearing before a judge. "As we are waiting for arraignment, we don’t see their names on the docket," says Clemente. "Then we go to get lunch, we come back. Stic, Umi, and Ness were released through the back door. They didn’t give them an explanation."

"Prosecution declined to prosecute," says Franklin. "Only [DeJesus] was held, and he is being charged at this present time with assault in the third degree, attempted assault in the third degree, menacing in the third degree, and harassment in the second degree—all misdemeanor charges. And the most amusing thing about the complaint is that there’s no charge here of disorderly conduct, no charge of resisting arrest, no underlying charges as to why they walked up to them in the first place and started demanding their ID."

DeJesus was arraigned, released without bail, and still faces charges. dpz, who were recently released from their Sony contract, just performed Friday night at the New School University as part of the ACLU College Freedom Tour, where NYPD and school police presence was reportedly heavy.

DJ Timmy Richardson
10-06-2003, 12:49 AM
Typical

JMNYC
10-06-2003, 12:56 AM
"same as it ever was."


btw, TOT - hope you guys didn't go out of your way last night... I was sick as a dog and there was no way I could stick it out :( Fourteen hours of sleep later, I'm still running a fever, but at least my stomach has calmed down.

[ October 06, 2003, 01:58 AM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

DJ Timmy Richardson
10-06-2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by JMNYC:
"same as it ever was."


btw, TOT - hope you guys didn't go out of your way last night... I was sick as a dog and there was no way I could stick it out :( Fourteen hours of sleep later, I'm still running a fever, but at least my stomach has calmed down. Thanks John..We were on the way but got the word in time.

Wild i
10-06-2003, 06:04 AM
My heart breaks everytime I read something like this.

DJ Keith Porter
10-06-2003, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
Typical Not only that but very common, very!

Thats common in the PJ's. BROOKLYN!
I have witness thousands of situations like that around my way.

This situation reminds me of the other week.
I just stepped of the #4 train and happen to turn my head when I saw two women police deciding on whether to pull this guy over at a red light.
I mean I heard them loud and clear.
One says to the other" you wanna? The other goes "aahh **** it, come on.
I stop to witness what they were up to and come to find out they were just after him because he didn't have his seat belt on. WTF!

I have seen small things like that get out hand in seconds and like always the police have a justified story about there aproach. graemlins/cussing.gif

Yeah, America the great, In god we trust and God bless America = PHUCKIN BULLSHIT!

Rodney Ransom
10-08-2003, 04:28 AM
This is another one of those post that people
just don't take seriously. It's very sad but true
, until these racist pigs are put in there place,
this will continue. I not certain how it's going
to stop but im sure it will.

Thankyou so much for an informative post,
please continue to awaken people.......PEACE

Soleful
10-08-2003, 08:00 AM
I was once pulled over by a Spanish cop (i'm spanish also) for supposedly going through a red light. OK write me the ticket and i'll be on my way. But NO, he wants to give me a friggin speech about obeying the traffic laws of NY. So I proceed to inform him the that the insurance code of NY states that an individual has up to 3 seconds after the light turns red to go thru said red light depending on speed of vehicle and distance from the crosswalk prior to said light turning red, along w/ a few explitives (he annoyed the ish outta me). He proceeds to finish his sermon with have nice day. Which I countered w/ "how can I do that when you already F'd up my day". I guess he figured he could F it up even more. He tells me to get out of my car, takes me to the rear of the car and proceed to handcuff me. I was in such disbelief that I almost swung around a punched him in the face. He quickly puts the cuffs on me, calls for his goons to back him up, when they arrive I ask why the F was I being arrested for going thru a red light. They were sympathetic but only said that they HAD to do it. You know they had to back him up even tho they knew he was wrong. So they take me to the precinct, put me in the holding cell where he proceeds to write me ticket for disorderly person along w/ the red light ticket. But here's the clincher the disorderly persons ticket was written on a yellow traffic violator ticket instead of the pink desk appearance ticket. So I go to "traffic court" for a criminal ticket and the judge dismisses the disorderly person ticket but still finds me guilty of going thru the light cause the cop goes in & lies about where he was when he observed me going thru the light. He said he was behind me when he was hiding around the corner, you know how they do, trying to fill his quota.
This is the same cop who started the spanish/ jewish friction in Williamsburg, B'klyn, manhandled an elderly woman for God knows what, was then transferred to East New York, B'klyn and later kicked off the force cause of his continued escapades cause of his powertrip. AR15firing.gif AR15firing.gif AR15firing.gif

[ October 08, 2003, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: OneLove ]

Huey P. Freeman
10-08-2003, 08:21 AM
"I wasn’t violating any laws other than the law of being black and being outside."
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dj c-los
10-08-2003, 08:27 AM
By now, I thought somebody would of said..
"the chickens have come home to roost!"

My old law teacher (he's old and he's black) would of said..."just show you're I.D. and don't get so apprehensive!" We studied a case simliar to this. I don't know if that's old school thinking but if it's not a big deal to pull out an I.D. so do it. If i was in this problem, I'm not sure if LULAC would come to my rescue because I'm not a well known artist.
graemlins/conf44.gif

eric justin
10-08-2003, 08:58 AM
I guess in addition to driving while black, photography while black has also been made illegal graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Huey P. Freeman
10-08-2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by clos7:
By now, I thought somebody would of said..
"the chickens have come home to roost!"

My old law teacher (he's old and he's black) would of said..."just show you're I.D. and don't get so apprehensive!" We studied a case simliar to this. I don't know if that's old school thinking but if it's not a big deal to pull out an I.D. so do it. If i was in this problem, I'm not sure if LULAC would come to my rescue because I'm not a well known artist.
graemlins/conf44.gif I think you are missing the point. The cops had no reason to request ID in the first place. They were not doing anything illegal. It was harrasment plain and simple. Did you read the part about the white photographer not being arrested? Racially motivated.

ChiJAM
10-08-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
By now, I thought somebody would of said..
"the chickens have come home to roost!"

My old law teacher (he's old and he's black) would of said..."just show you're I.D. and don't get so apprehensive!" We studied a case simliar to this. I don't know if that's old school thinking but if it's not a big deal to pull out an I.D. so do it. If i was in this problem, I'm not sure if LULAC would come to my rescue because I'm not a well known artist.
graemlins/conf44.gif I think you are missing the point. The cops had no reason to request ID in the first place. They were not doing anything illegal. It was harrasment plain and simple. Did you read the part about the white photographer not being arrested? Racially motivated. </font>[/QUOTE]This is the dilemma--pragmatism v. fairness. True, it was harassment. However, do you just show ID and diffuse the situation or risk the escalation of the situation by not showing your ID? As OneLove mentioned, he was on the verge of assaulting the officer. That's an escalation that you do not want. The flip-side is that: if you let the cops get away with it, they just keep doing it. Tough situation...

ChiJAM

dj c-los
10-08-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
By now, I thought somebody would of said..
"the chickens have come home to roost!"

My old law teacher (he's old and he's black) would of said..."just show you're I.D. and don't get so apprehensive!" We studied a case simliar to this. I don't know if that's old school thinking but if it's not a big deal to pull out an I.D. so do it. If i was in this problem, I'm not sure if LULAC would come to my rescue because I'm not a well known artist.
graemlins/conf44.gif I think you are missing the point. The cops had no reason to request ID in the first place. They were not doing anything illegal. It was harrasment plain and simple. Did you read the part about the white photographer not being arrested? Racially motivated. </font>[/QUOTE]yes i caught it but I don't think LULAC would of come to my rescue since I'm just an average citizen. I maybe would of shown my I.D. but given the cop a dirty look. Maybe even thrown in a smart-ass remark but sometimes you don't want to escalate a situation.
It is a tough call and I don't get pushed aropund but sometimes you have to say...
"I'll show you my I.D. but before I do what's the problem?"

dj c-los
10-08-2003, 10:31 AM
You know i looked these guys up to read up on who they are...
Album: Lets Get Free
Date: 02/08/2000
Songs in the album:

Wolve (Lyrics)
I'm a African (Lyrics)
They Schools (Lyrics)
Hip-Hop (Lyrics)
Police State (Lyrics)
Behind Enemy Lines (Lyrics)
Assassination (Lyrics)
Mind Sex (Lyrics)
We Want Freedom (Lyrics)
Be Healthy (Lyrics)
Discipline (Lyrics)
Psychology (Lyrics)
Happiness (Lyrics)
Animal in Man (Lyrics)
You'll Find a Way (Lyrics)
It's Bigger Than Hip-Hop (Lyrics)
Propaganda (Lyrics)
The Pistol

Am i missing the point of their musical message???
Click here to read their lyrics for I'm a African (http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/songUnid/0A14920F68A7A7EA48256A1E0028E44B)

Soleful
10-09-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by ChiJAM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
By now, I thought somebody would of said..
"the chickens have come home to roost!"

My old law teacher (he's old and he's black) would of said..."just show you're I.D. and don't get so apprehensive!" We studied a case simliar to this. I don't know if that's old school thinking but if it's not a big deal to pull out an I.D. so do it. If i was in this problem, I'm not sure if LULAC would come to my rescue because I'm not a well known artist.
graemlins/conf44.gif I think you are missing the point. The cops had no reason to request ID in the first place. They were not doing anything illegal. It was harrasment plain and simple. Did you read the part about the white photographer not being arrested? Racially motivated. </font>[/QUOTE]This is the dilemma--pragmatism v. fairness. True, it was harassment. However, do you just show ID and diffuse the situation or risk the escalation of the situation by not showing your ID? As OneLove mentioned, he was on the verge of assaulting the officer. That's an escalation that you do not want. The flip-side is that: if you let the cops get away with it, they just keep doing it. Tough situation...

ChiJAM </font>[/QUOTE]Let me elaborate a bit. I got on the verge of assaulting that good for nothing piece of crap when he slapped the cuff on my first wrist. I checked myself before giving him the satisfaction of making his day. The only thing I did prior to that was when he said "Have a nice day", I responded w/ "What do u mean have a nice day, u already f'ed my day". And for that I got taken in. Now I know it was a progression of events in my situation, not like driving, walking, sitting, or even breathing while black but I can relate. The only place where cops really protect and serve their communities is exactly there in "their" communities.