Attack Planned On Mecca!!

[dennis f]

Maannnnn these clowns are out of control!! Anyone here about this? I mean is this ridiculous?
How the hell? Not to sound ignorant but isn't this like a devout Catholic bombing the Vatican?
This goes to show the world that it isn't Islam vs. Christianity but the work of a few out of control people....man ain't shizit safe anywhere! nobody is immune...next they'll plan on eliminating Geneva or Luxemburg......

thoughts?

[Red D]

Any sources, links?

RD

[mdpm99]

MECCA, Saudi Arabia (June 15) - Police fought overnight gunbattles with suspected al-Qaida militants planning an imminent attack on Islam's holiest city, killing five and arresting others believed linked to last month's suicide bombings in Riyadh, Saudi officials said.

One security official, speaking Sunday on condition of anonymity, said two police officers were killed in a shootout at a checkpoint shortly before a fierce gun battle erupted during a raid on a bomb-filled, booby-trapped apartment late Saturday.

The Saudi Interior Ministry released a statement saying the raid occurred at an apartment building in the al-Khalidiya district, about three miles from the main Mecca mosque, at 9:30 p.m.

The statement said police clashed with a ``group of terrorists...(who) were preparing an imminent terrorist act.'' No details of the alleged plot were given.

Five suspected militants died in the gunbattle initiated by the ``terrorists,'' the statement said without giving their nationalities. Five security agents and four bystanders were slightly injured.

The statement said the apartment was booby-trapped and ready to explode. Some 72 bombs of different sizes were found with numerous other weapons, including semiautomatic rifles, knives, communication devices, bomb-making materials and masks.

The Interior Ministry statement said two Chadians, an Egyptian and a Saudi were among at least five people arrested in the raid. The fifth was not identified. Numerous other suspects were arrested later in Mecca. It did not elaborate.

The official said he believed the suspected militants were ``members of al-Qaida cells'' because of similarities between weapons they used and how they ``immediately shoot at the police when cornered.''

He also believed those killed and arrested were connected to the May 12 suicide bombings on Western residential compounds in the Riyadh that killed 35 people, including nine Americans and nine Saudi suicide bombers. He did not elaborate.

The official said the suspects were planning to carry out attacks in Mecca, Islam's holiest city, according to information gathered during interrogations Sunday. He did not identify any intended targets.

The official said Saturday's violence started when police manning a checkpoint tried to stop a car carrying the militants, who then fired on the police, killing two of them, before fleeing to the al-Khalidiya apartment building.

Mecca, located some 450 miles west of Riyadh, welcomes millions of Muslim pilgrims each year. The city is the birthplace of Islam's seventh-century prophet, Muhammad.

Saudi authorities have cracked down on suspected militants since the May 12 bombings, which were seen as attacks not just against foreigners but also the ruling Saudi royal family for its close ties to the United States.

U.S. and Saudi investigators have been jointly probing the Riyadh bombings, which have been linked to al-Qaida, the Muslim terror network blamed for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America.

Saudi's interior minister said Saturday at least 30 people have been identified as being linked to the bombings, including people currently in custody and those who died during or following the attacks. It is unclear how many people have been arrested.

On May 31, Yosif Salih Fahd Ala'yeeri was killed in a gunfight with police in the northern Saudi city of Hael. Ala'yeeri was allegedly carrying a letter written by al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden.

Ala'yeeri was among 19 al-Qaida operatives wanted following the May 6 discovery of a Riyadh weapons cache. The group was said to be taking orders directly from bin Laden and linked to the May 12 bombings.

Earlier this month, Saudi authorities announced the arrests of numerous people in Medina, Islam's second-holiest city, 540 miles west of the capital. Twelve men and three women with rifles, bomb-making chemicals and $187,000 were arrested, the Interior Ministry said.

Security was unusually tight Sunday, with troops searching cars at checkpoints on Mecca's outskirts and throughout the city. Police also patrolled inside and outside Mecca's Al-Nur hospital, where those wounded Saturday were taken.

Abdul Khaliq Raheem Sheik, a 50-year-old Indian driver being treated for cuts, said three masked men holding guns approached him earlier Saturday as he washed his employer's car in al-Khalidiya.

Sheik said the men demanded he drive them from the area. When he refused, they shot the car's windows and he was injured by flying glass.

The three then drove away, leaving Sheik behind. It was unclear if they were being sought or had been already killed or arrested.

06/15/03 21:08 EDT

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press

[Martin Red]

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[uzibee]

If anybody bomb the Mecca, it will be the end of the world as we know it.Very, serious stuff. Much worse than bombing the Vatican or even the White house.

[mdpm99]

http://al-jazirah.com/

[natacha]

Translation?

[Red D]

Originally posted by uzibee:
If anybody bomb the Mecca, it will be the end of the world as we know it.Very, serious stuff. Much worse than bombing the Vatican or even the White house. elaborate please, cause I think it would all depend on the religion and nationality of the bombers

RD

[uzibee]

Before I elaborate, you have to understand what "the Mecca" means to almost 1.5 BILLION people on earth.

this is a very,very brief description, but it is a start.

Mecca link (http://i-cias.com/e.o/mecca.htm)

Mecca link 2 (http://www.sacredsites.com/2nd56/279.html)

[ June 16, 2003, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: uzibee ]

[JoeB]

Originally posted by uzibee:
Before I elaborate, you have to understand what "the Mecca" means to almost 1.5 BILLION people on earth.

this is a very,very brief description, but it is a start.

Mecca link (http://i-cias.com/e.o/mecca.htm) hey uzibee, do you think that if someone did go through with this terrorist action, then maybe that would have islam reevaluate where they want their religion to go? i mean, if it happens in the holiest citiest on earth and even THAT is not sacred, then most muslims would REALLY want to eliminate this terrorist movement that does NOT represent islam?

edit: because i think that could be another way some would look at it and not just the "end of the world". what are your thoughts?

[ June 16, 2003, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: JoeB ]

[Red D]

Originally posted by uzibee:
Before I elaborate, you have to understand what "the Mecca" means to almost 1.5 BILLION people on earth.

this is a very,very brief description, but it is a start.

Mecca link (http://i-cias.com/e.o/mecca.htm) Indeed, very brief, but I get your point. Still I'd like to see why you think that an attack on Mecca would change the world as we know it? I agree that if any Western power would wipe Mecca away that the results would be catastrophical, but what if Al-Qaida or another extremist Muslim organisation would bomb Mecca? I honestly don't know, what do you think?

RD

[JoeB]

and it's also ironic that the saudi government was the leader in providing MOST, if not all, terrorist groups with the financial muscle to survive and it looks like some of the terrorists are turning against them in a way. a lot of the material i've read on the sauid government seemed to make it out that a major reason that the saudi government supported all these terrorist groups because in the back of their minds they knew that most commonfolk in the region considered them corrupt. so, the saudi government went out of their way to provide for them financially but it looks like whoever is charge of making these type of terrorist calls no longer needs the support of the government/royal family and now planning on attacks in their back yard. this is going to be VERY interesting, to say the least.

[uzibee]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Before I elaborate, you have to understand what "the Mecca" means to almost 1.5 BILLION people on earth.

this is a very,very brief description, but it is a start.

Mecca link (http://i-cias.com/e.o/mecca.htm) hey uzibee, do you think that if someone did go through with this terrorist action, then maybe that would have islam reevaluate where they want their religion to go? i mean, if it happens in the holiest citiest on earth and even THAT is not sacred, then most muslims would REALLY want to eliminate this terrorist movement that does NOT represent islam?

edit: because i think that could be another way some would look at it and not just the "end of the world". what are your thoughts? </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Joe,
I said it will be the end of the world as we know it now, not the end of the world period. Mecca is the cornerstone of the muslim faith. If it is attacked by a muslim group, it will bring great kaos in the muslim world. As you should know by now (because of the Irak war), there is two main branches in the Muslim faith (the Shiite and Sunnit). An attack on Mecca will most likely start a civil war in the Islamic world. It is much more complicated than it looks.

[Cheddar]

Doesnt make much sense. Something has to give.
If there is a REAL Al Queda..maybe they are not Muslim. What this should really say..as someone said above is that this whole conflict is not about Judeo-Christian vs. Islam.

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by uzibee:
If anybody bomb the Mecca, it will be the end of the world as we know it.Very, serious stuff. Much worse than bombing the Vatican or even the White house. Some pretty serious stuff - stampedes, machine gunnings - has already gone down in Mecca in the past decade.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by uzibee:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Before I elaborate, you have to understand what "the Mecca" means to almost 1.5 BILLION people on earth.

this is a very,very brief description, but it is a start.

Mecca link (http://i-cias.com/e.o/mecca.htm) hey uzibee, do you think that if someone did go through with this terrorist action, then maybe that would have islam reevaluate where they want their religion to go? i mean, if it happens in the holiest citiest on earth and even THAT is not sacred, then most muslims would REALLY want to eliminate this terrorist movement that does NOT represent islam?

edit: because i think that could be another way some would look at it and not just the "end of the world". what are your thoughts? </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Joe,
I said it will be the end of the world as we know it now, not the end of the world period. Mecca is the cornerstone of the muslim faith. If it is attacked by a muslim group, it will bring great kaos in the muslim world. As you should know by now (because of the Irak war), there is two main branches in the Muslim faith (the Shiite and Sunnit). An attack on Mecca will most likely start a civil war in the Islamic world. It is much more complicated than it looks. </font>[/QUOTE]that could definitely be one possibility, but Mecca is the holy place for BOTH branches. that's where i can't really buy what you are saying. i could see if they went to a region where it was all or the majority of sunni(who make up approximately 85 percent of the islamic world), AND it was determined that the terrorists were part of the opposite branch, and then your "civil war" as an outcome could make sense. like i said, this is going to very interesting since one of my interests is reading up on anything dealing with the middle east. i'm actually currently reading a book called "price of honor" and explains the struggle of women in some of the more fundamentalist countries in that region. for the sake of islam and the world, i do hope they NEVER carry out any of these attacks on Mecca.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by 1343:
Doesnt make much sense. Something has to give.
If there is a REAL Al Queda..maybe they are not Muslim. What this should really say..as someone said above is that this whole conflict is not about Judeo-Christian vs. Islam. cheddi, what the hell are you talking about? i think some people were making analogies and trying to understand the signficance this would be but not making it a "Vs." situation, like you are implying.

[DJ76]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
http://al-jazirah.com/ sorry David but all the articles on that website date from 1424 ;)

Funny how the drag-bar is on the left side of the screen on that site.

[uzibee]

Very true Joe. Like I said earlier, it is not quite that simple. Terrorist groups like Al quaeda are not just a bunch of crazy people (depending on the definition of crazy), but are in fact very organised.It is a vast international organisation which is funded by rich organisations, people and even states. An attack on Mecca by Al Quaeda or others will have to be sponsored by these people, organisation or even states. If an attack on Mecca is sponsored by let say Iran or Lybia or the second cousin of the King of Saudi Arabia, you have a recipe for a civil war.

I have one question though: Were they planning on bombing the Holy site of mecca, or one of the royal family palaces at Mecca?

It makes a big difference.

[Red D]

Very interesting topic people!

It might even be considered that such an attack would be encouraged by let's say Israel or the US just to detract the attention of the Muslim-extremists. I can imagine a civil war between the two biggest muslim groups would cut the aforementioned nations more slack in their battle against terrorism. I don't think it's that hard to imagine the reasoning of the general Western public: "they can't even get along among themselves, let alone with us"...

Conspiracy stuff, I grant that, but still...

RD

[uzibee]

Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day.

[ June 16, 2003, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: uzibee ]

[Bold Soul]

Deterministic unpredictability failed on this one. Failed big time.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]I would like to add that most of the "unity" in the Middle East is actually long standing enemies looking the other way as atrocities are committed in the name of Islam.

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]Joe, these are the same kinda extremists like those who were supposedly drinking in a strip club the night before 9-11. Extremists are one thing. Islamic Extremists?? So I guess Americans are Christian Extremists...well w/ DubYa speaking for us and using our tax money I guess we are.
There was time when I didnt know the difference between a Jewish person and a Zionist (extremists).

[JoeB]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]Joe, these are the same kinda extremists like those who were supposedly drinking in a strip club the night before 9-11. Extremists are one thing. Islamic Extremists?? So I guess Americans are Christian Extremists...well w/ DubYa speaking for us and using our tax money I guess we are.
There was time when I didnt know the difference between a Jewish person and a Zionist (extremists). </font>[/QUOTE]when you start making sense, then you can address me. (just ****ing with you, cheddster.)

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]Joe, these are the same kinda extremists like those who were supposedly drinking in a strip club the night before 9-11. Extremists are one thing. Islamic Extremists?? So I guess Americans are Christian Extremists...well w/ DubYa speaking for us and using our tax money I guess we are.
There was time when I didnt know the difference between a Jewish person and a Zionist (extremists). </font>[/QUOTE]I have heard abortion clinic terrorists categorized as Christian Extremists. Also, Christian fundamentalists. It depends upon the news sources that people prefer.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
Hey Red,
Very good point. The CIA and the israeli secret services are very capable of doing such an action for propagenda purposes (maybe not going as far as bombing Mecca, but to manipulate the media, create unstability and brake the unity that prevail in the Muslim world). They are losing face with that Ben Laden and Saddam fiasco. They spent billions of dollars, engeneered two wars (Afganistan+Irak) for the sole purpose of eliminating them and they are still at large to this day. but guys, let's not forget that these fundamentalists are EXTREMISTS. i hear what you guys are saying but i don't think that is very likely, IMO, and kinda taking away from what actually happened or was planned. there is something bigger to dissect here and that is that islamic extremists were willing to bomb the holiest city for whatever reason and THAT is totally an unprecedented action that requires countries in the middle east to bring this up to the forefront of their agenda. </font>[/QUOTE]I would like to add that most of the "unity" in the Middle East is actually long standing enemies looking the other way as atrocities are committed in the name of Islam. </font>[/QUOTE]very true and a damn shame.

[Hk]

...after reading all the comments, well some may be closer to my estimation of the matter than others....but let's forget the topic for a moment, simply because it exists.(I am saying its probably more propaganda to draw our attention away from other salient facts.....for example...)

I can attest to several things having retuured from a Jewish City in America and having to pray Juma prayer at the airport......

1. Them G-boys and CIA are scared shitless!
2. They will harass you or kill you(but first they'll try to intimidate you, and with my pops and I that shit didnt work!)
3. They do have infrared scopes, as the light hit my new watch when I was taking it off at the Gestapo check point.
4. Those same boys above will follow you and attempt to control you if they can.
5. They're heartless, one by himself wouldnt do shit but get the top of his head knocked off(especially ****ing wit my pops).....
6. It is about Islam, but not about Christanity because I've seen better morals and standards from a DC hooker then those chumps! (The West, at best, is a barbaric representation of the Christan platform of morals)

I wouldnt be worried about the muslim population or civilization going anywhere, but, as I witnessed first hand, plenty are concerned about their own civilization going somewhere. Rightfully so, cuz as Malcolm X said, you chumps are just about washed up!

So shitty I'm calm!

[JoeB]

huh?

[lyot]

i'm not so surprised Al Qaeda planned an attack on Mecca. I guess it was directed towards the local authorities in the first place, not to the sacred places for Islam in that city .

Good article that gives some additional background : http://www.stetson.edu/departments/polsci/Civil_War.pdf

greetings

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
http://al-jazirah.com/ sorry David but all the articles on that website date from 1424 ;)

Funny how the drag-bar is on the left side of the screen on that site. </font>[/QUOTE]opps!

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