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Bill Blake
07-29-2003, 08:21 AM
Bias-Crime Claim Puzzles Beach Enclave in Queens
By PATRICK HEALY


n the gated Queens community of Breezy Point, the summer chatter often revolves around beach parties, a musical performance at St. Thomas More Roman Catholic Church or even such trivial matters as a parakeet that has flown the coop.

But over the weekend, a 41-year-old Breezy Point woman was accused of assaulting a 12-year-old Hispanic girl in this overwhelmingly white community, and prosecutors charged the woman with committing a hate crime. They said the woman, Donna Harding, shoved a plastic wagon into the girl's legs and told the girl and her mother that blacks and Hispanics did not belong in the neighborhood.

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Yesterday, several residents of this 4,300-person community in the Rockaways said they were skeptical of the charges. While acknowledging that they had not witnessed the exchange, the roughly a dozen people interviewed insisted such an assault did not — and could not — happen in Breezy Point.

"I'm here 22 years, and I've never heard of or seen anything to compare to that," said Msgr. Michael Connelly, a pastor at St. Thomas More Church. "In my mind, I don't believe that is true."

Elizabeth Leib, who has lived in Breezy Point for 25 years, said: "It's a beautiful Christian community. It would be bothersome to think we could be labeled so quickly. The community doesn't want to get maligned."

Law enforcement officials have said that the girl and her mother, Denise Striegold, were guests of a Breezy Point resident and first encountered Ms. Harding at the Sugar Bowl bar about 4:30 p.m. Saturday.

The three were standing in line for the bathroom when Ms. Harding cursed and used racial epithets and said that Hispanics and blacks should "go back to Orchard Beach" in the Bronx, according to court documents.

Five hours later, Ms. Harding again encountered the mother and daughter outside the Sugar Bowl. After saying she did not want the mother and daughter "ever coming back here again," Ms. Harding struck the girl with the wagon, injuring her leg, according to court documents.

But Ms. Harding's lawyer, Raphael Scotto, said she was attacked by friends of the mother and daughter who had gone with them to Breezy Point. Mr. Scotto said that Ms. Harding and the other women began arguing when someone cut into the bathroom line at the bar, and Ms. Harding was later assaulted as she and her 9-year-old daughter walked home.

"She was choked," Mr. Scotto said. "Her dress was ripped. She fended them off. She defends herself, and before she knows it, she's being arrested."

Officials from the Queens district attorney's office would not comment on Mr. Scotto's account. And Ms. Striegold's family did not want to discuss what happened.

But Breezy Point residents seemed to embrace his version of the story. This is a community where residents are as close as the pastel bungalows, and many people said they knew Ms. Harding personally, or were friends of friends, or knew her daughter from church.

"Down here, we just want to forget the whole thing and hope it works out for Donna," said Peter Murray, a retired firefighter who spent yesterday afternoon painting his house. "This community — it's like a target. It's just a bunch of cops and firemen trying to mind their own business."

Although the neighborhood is 98.5 percent white, according to the 2000 census, residents defended it against the tarnish of bigotry. Mr. Murray's 19-year-old son, Joseph, who was born in Colombia and adopted when he was 3 months old, said that he has never felt out of place.

"It is not something that goes on here," Joseph said. He recalled how the community poured forth its support and prayers when he had meningitis this spring and lapsed into a weeklong coma. "Anything they could do to help, they did."

Cheddar
07-29-2003, 08:26 AM
That is a gated community...with a toll booth like guard station very close to the marine Park Bridge.

liL Ray
07-29-2003, 08:38 AM
...but some will say this doesn't happen anymore.... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I drove over there once with the wife last summer, and was just enjoying the day, park the car out at the end of breezy point by the beach, and before we can get two kisses in, here comes the cop cruiser....he didn't 'harass' us or come over but he made his presence known....we just laughed and I followed his ass around town for the next 1/2 hour and then just waved at him as I left....yeah, I know some is gonna say I'm being paranoid.....it's sometimes tough just living black in America.

...and this is 2003....that's why I put these fvcks in check as soon as they step out of line!!

[ July 29, 2003, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

Leslie
07-29-2003, 08:46 AM
I love how people are so quick to find the "community minority" and point out that they are not racist. Dude said it all "It's just a bunch of cops and firemen trying to mind their own business." Those familiar with New York and its "gorgeous mosaic" know what that's all about.

TAD
07-29-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
I love how people are so quick to find the "community minority" and point out that they are not racist. Dude said it all "It's just a bunch of cops and firemen trying to mind their own business." Those familiar with New York and its "gorgeous mosaic" know what that's all about. you beat me to it

liL Ray
07-29-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
I love how people are so quick to find the "community minority" and point out that they are not racist. Dude said it all "It's just a bunch of cops and firemen trying to mind their own business." Those familiar with New York and its "gorgeous mosaic" know what that's all about. and the f'ing "community minority" been adopted from 3yrs old and been there since....if you see him out in a bar, that **** wll tell you he's from Breezy point, not Columbia...you'll never hear "I'm Latino" from him....I will bet my sales bonus on that shit!

You hit the nail on the head with the "bunch of cops and firemen", Leslie....same shit goes on on the far side of Staten Island where those jerkoffs live.

But you know what's another point....and I know I'm gonna get taosted for this....when will Latinos learn that they are not white and stop trying to be like them....when will they wake up...is anyone from their community gonna organize a march or protest over this? I'll be there if they do, but I doubt if I'll make that trip.

bring on the fire....

Fletch
07-29-2003, 09:20 AM
There's also a the gated Sea Gate, Brooklyn (along the Coney Island coastline). graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

On the one hand, they want public pity (The Rockaways/Breezy Point did lose a bunch of cops/firemen on 9/11/2001). But on the other hand, a racial crime happens in their neigborhood, and they want to "forget about the whole thing". graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
07-29-2003, 09:36 AM
It's interesting that the Columbian Born adopted child never experience racism in his neighborhood. What he doesn't realize is that because his parents were kind enough to adopt a poor helpless minority, bring him into their home prejudice would not arise because the parents are White. Let him go forth and adopt a family of Columbians and all of that favor will cease.

Living in isolation can make one oblivious to the rest of the world graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Leslie
07-29-2003, 10:06 AM
"She was choked," Mr. Scotto said. "Her dress was ripped. She fended them off. She defends herself, and before she knows it, she's being arrested."


See, now this is another point - they always want to say they had to "defend" themselves cause you know colored people are violent....yet will never admit to their own violent tendencies. Y'all know that who ever was standing around heard her call the woman and her child derogatory names and COSIGNED that shit by either laughing, turning away, or watching what would happen next and saying nothing - yet she's a pillar of the community there is no way she would ever say or do such a thing.

P-Flipp
07-29-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
...but some will say this doesn't happen anymore.... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I drove over there once with the wife last summer, and was just enjoying the day, park the car out at the end of breezy point by the beach, and before we can get two kisses in, here comes the cop cruiser....he didn't 'harass' us or come over but he made his presence known....we just laughed and I followed his ass around town for the next 1/2 hour and then just waved at him as I left....yeah, I know some is gonna say I'm being paranoid.....it's sometimes tough just living black in America.


...and this is 2003....that's why I put these fvcks in check as soon as they step out of line!! :(


Not just america bro, anywhere in N.A!It's mind boggling how
segre"gated" NYC is.

[ July 29, 2003, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: P-Flipp ]