Racist topic!!!!!

[JL]

Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States.

[YUJI-SAN]

Sup JL.

[drilla]

choice 1

[The Donger]

Afrikkka.

[Leslie]

I am trying to reconcile whether #1 could lead to #2....at this point I don't know....

[martin]

Choice 1.

Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US.

[The Donger]

Hair.

[YUJI-SAN]

bump^

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur

[YUJI-SAN]

why is everyone scared to choose 2

[JL]

Originally posted by Leslie:
I am trying to reconcile whether #1 could lead to #2....at this point I don't know.... I've been debating the same thing myself. I believe it can, then turn around and waver in my convictions almost daily.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur </font>[/QUOTE]Being a white American male isn't easy.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
why is everyone scared to choose 2 I didn't see you choose it.

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
why is everyone scared to choose 2 I didn't see you choose it. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

[Leslie]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I am trying to reconcile whether #1 could lead to #2....at this point I don't know.... I've been debating the same thing myself. I believe it can, then turn around and waver in my convictions almost daily. </font>[/QUOTE]-----&gt;&lt;----- ;)

[mhd]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I am trying to reconcile whether #1 could lead to #2....at this point I don't know.... I've been debating the same thing myself. I believe it can, then turn around and waver in my convictions almost daily. </font>[/QUOTE]-----&gt;&lt;----- ;) </font>[/QUOTE]consider, two could lead to one

[Leslie]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
I am trying to reconcile whether #1 could lead to #2....at this point I don't know.... I've been debating the same thing myself. I believe it can, then turn around and waver in my convictions almost daily. </font>[/QUOTE]-----&gt;&lt;----- ;) </font>[/QUOTE]consider, two could lead to one </font>[/QUOTE]Yea I looked at that also...again...still unsure...

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur </font>[/QUOTE]Being a white American male isn't easy. </font>[/QUOTE]mkay....

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
why is everyone scared to choose 2 I didn't see you choose it. </font>[/QUOTE]Huh? Why do I need to choose?

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur </font>[/QUOTE]Being a white American male isn't easy. </font>[/QUOTE]mkay.... </font>[/QUOTE]Are you agreeing with me? We are talking about World racism, no?

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur </font>[/QUOTE]Being a white American male isn't easy. </font>[/QUOTE]mkay.... </font>[/QUOTE]Are you agreeing with me? We are talking about World racism, no? </font>[/QUOTE]shut up you only 1/2 white.. represent the empanada side !!

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:


Racism is an international problem, and there's a big world outside of the US. Concur </font>[/QUOTE]Being a white American male isn't easy. </font>[/QUOTE]mkay.... </font>[/QUOTE]Are you agreeing with me? We are talking about World racism, no? </font>[/QUOTE]:D

[Bill Blake]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/data/images/romania.jpg

Its all a conspiracy from where Dongers from

[ May 14, 2003, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[Austin/Dallas]

http://www.designskey.com/theaxe.gif

[JL]

Although I feel that bettering the plight of any oppressed peoples is a just effort, I'm not sure if that effectively deals with problem 1. As Donger in his jackass ways is insinuating, the problem of racism is larger than the plight of any one group of oppressed people anywhere, and I'm not sure if the pronunciation of differences based on race, even for the cause of reversing oppression, can ultimately work towards using race as a division of humanity.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JL:
Although I feel that bettering the plight of any oppressed peoples is a just effort, I'm not sure if that effectively deals with problem 1. As Donger in his jackass ways is insinuating, the problem of racism is larger than the plight of any one group of oppressed people anywhere, and I'm not sure if the pronunciation of differences based on race, even for the cause of reversing oppression, can ultimately work towards using race as a division of humanity. I honestly don't understand what you mean...seriously....and this is not an attack!!

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
Although I feel that bettering the plight of any oppressed peoples is a just effort, I'm not sure if that effectively deals with problem 1. As Donger in his jackass ways is insinuating, the problem of racism is larger than the plight of any one group of oppressed people anywhere, and I'm not sure if the pronunciation of differences based on race, even for the cause of reversing oppression, can ultimately work towards using race as a division of humanity. why of course we will wait

[manfred]

even if the races are united, there will still be class divisions, right?

[The Donger]

Everyone chickened out of the Tierras Colombianas meet up dinner.

I eat there once a week, so let me know people. BTW, some new waitresses just got hired graemlins/1luvu.gif

[Friday]

Originally posted by manfred:
even if the races are united, there will still be class divisions, right? This is true. Even in present day, there is class division within each race.

Wherever there is any division, there will always be conflict.

[ May 14, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: girlfriday ]

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Everyone chickened out of the Tierras Colombianas meet up dinner.

I eat there once a week, so let me know people. BTW, some new waitresses just got hired graemlins/1luvu.gif WERRDDDDD , this weekend !! i got my whip back too

[imported_Chr_stopher]

eracism

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Christopher L. Aquilo:
eracism duuude, that's it right there!

[darrow]

I had to keep reading your question over and over again JL.

I think in the short term, I am more concerned with #2. Of course, I can argue with myself and tell myself that my choice is not logical, but I'm assuming answers that are not based just in logic are still plausible.

My answer is based more on hope and perhaps some stubborness. I'm hoping that our plight (why does that word make us sound helpless? hmmmm) can change for the better, despite racism. Why? Because, if that betterment is not possible without an end to racism - if B is caused by A and only A (oops...some logic crept in) - we blacks are in trouble. I don't think racism is going anywhere any time soon, and I refuse to believe that the bettermen of our lives as a collective are directly tied to it's existence.

In the long term, sure...I'd LOVE for number 1 to happen.

[ May 14, 2003, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: darrow ]

[Friday]

In response to the question, I would choose neither, because neither is realistic.

By dissolving your own racism in your thoughts and beliefs first, the US and the rest of the world may have a chance.
smile.gif

[JL]

Ashaki, sorry I can't be more clear, these are things that I have trouble clearly expressing because I myself am not clear on how to deal with it. What I was trying to convey in that post is that I don't think we can end racism while continuously using race as a factor to make adjustments to injustices caused by race-based oppression.

Mark - I'm not saying that 1 or 2 should take precedence over another, just wanted to discuss something that has been on my mind time and time again with people that are likely to discuss this topic.

Darrow, honestly, perhaps the 2 things I enumerated are quite different in implementation, and cannot be pursued in the same line of effort in my mind.

[rob brito]

Originally posted by JL:
I'm not sure if the pronunciation of differences based on race, even for the cause of reversing oppression, can ultimately work towards using race as a division of humanity. race is an ILLUSION. colour is relative and the cultural makeup of your character varies no matter how similar two upbringings may be.

acknowledging an ilusory divsion as is skin colour is creating a problem that should not exist...henceforth the solution does not exist.

stop calling yourself a black man or white woman trying to concilliate the differences and you'll eliminate the problem at the root. you're a person first and foremost and your diferences lie even at the skin tone level from you to the next person who seems to possess the same.

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by girlfriday:
In response to the question, I would choose neither, because neither is realistic.

By dissolving your own racism in your thoughts and beliefs first, the US and the rest of the world may have a chance.
smile.gif What are you talking about its not realistic?

[JL]

It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. Thank you.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. YOu beat me to it JL.

Even I am sensitive enough to wanna make that clear...

[JL]

[ May 14, 2003, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: JL ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. even as you ask for soultions you ignore them when they are offered

[JL]

i'm not asking for solutions, i'm asking people what they are more concerned with.

[Friday]

Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by girlfriday:
In response to the question, I would choose neither, because neither is realistic.

By dissolving your own racism in your thoughts and beliefs first, the US and the rest of the world may have a chance.
smile.gif What are you talking about its not realistic? </font>[/QUOTE]Because no one wants to admit that they are a racist. It is that simple.

[ May 14, 2003, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: girlfriday ]

[Leslie]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. even as you ask for soultions you ignore them when they are offered </font>[/QUOTE]How was that a solution?

[The Donger]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. YOu beat me to it JL.

Even I am sensitive enough to wanna make that clear... </font>[/QUOTE]Colombians don't count - everyone knows they are an inferior people. Don't cut me. </font>[/QUOTE]Coming from a Korean? Holy shit... AHAHAHA you are one funny guy you backstabbing piece of shit!

[JL]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Coming from a Korean? Holy shit... AHAHAHA you are one funny guy you backstabbing piece of shit! let's save this for the kuo

[The Donger]

I love the confusion right now.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Coming from a Korean? Holy shit... AHAHAHA you are one funny guy you backstabbing piece of shit! let's save this for the kuo </font>[/QUOTE]Then edit your last post you hooker.

[ May 14, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Ghost Of Donger ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. even as you ask for soultions you ignore them when they are offered </font>[/QUOTE]How was that a solution? </font>[/QUOTE]If we can get to a point of ignoring skin color we could get to content of character.

and yes jl, you are asking for solutions

[Koffy Brown]

JL...you got me interested in something...Race as it relates to Biology...thanks

[JL]

nope, try again. i take it your preference is #2?

[JL]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
JL...you got me interested in something...Race as it relates to Biology...thanks Based on whatever arbitrary gene you chose, you could come up with some wild "race" categories. External traits are usually used as qualifiers for racial categorization.

[rob brito]

Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. we all get stepped on for a multitude of reasons my friend.
i'm not living in a bubble and implying the sociological issues that pertain to racism don't exist...as you reitirated i was clearly saying the biological aspects of it are non-existent.

i've been on the receiving end of a multitude of bullshit birthed from divisions, made-up and real, and i've been witness to a racism black america (especially now in 2003) has bever been witness to. yes people are still being unofficially classified as animals around the world.

[ May 14, 2003, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: robs ]

[rob brito]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
It isn't an illusion, tell that to people who get their lives stepped on daily because of arbitrary traits such as skin color.

It's a cultural construct, but just because race is not biological doesn't mean it doesn't have social significance. even as you ask for soultions you ignore them when they are offered </font>[/QUOTE]which is what i was trying to do.

[JL]

Word - just wanted to clarify that they weren't illusions. As it pertains to #1, I agree that the awareness of the constructs themselves as arbitrary is a good step towards that end. Do you think this step can be made while addressing #2? This is what I'm asking about, if the 2 goals are reconcilable.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
JL...you got me interested in something...Race as it relates to Biology...thanks Based on whatever arbitrary gene you chose, you could come up with some wild "race" categories. External traits are usually used as qualifiers for racial categorization. </font>[/QUOTE]References of terms like Black, White, Asian, and Latino are social groups, not genetically distinct branches of humankind, I understand that...

[darrow]

Originally posted by JL:
Darrow, honestly, perhaps the 2 things I enumerated are quite different in implementation, and cannot be pursued in the same line of effort in my mind. JL...Yes, I think #2 is related to #1 but is not dependent totally on #1. I think I kept reading your post and the subsequent responses as if #2 somehow flowed from #1. Re-reading (again) and I see that isn't even where you were going. I got led astray. smile.gif

[rob brito]

Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. neither.

encourage yourself, then one another to FOCUS on character traits that stem from the plight we all go through to develop/better oneself.

i say focus lest you ignore the very real problems that exist, the focus should remain on what i feel is the only real solution to many problems, and that would be developing yourself.

[darrow]

Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. neither.

encourage yourself, then one another to FOCUS on character traits that stem from the plight we all go through to develop/better oneself.

i say focus lest you ignore the very real problems that exist, the focus should remain on what i feel is the only real solution to many problems, and that would be developing yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]robs...do you think that what you said would end up with #1 and/or #2 as the result?

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. neither.

encourage yourself, then one another to FOCUS on character traits that stem from the plight we all go through to develop/better oneself.

i say focus lest you ignore the very real problems that exist, the focus should remain on what i feel is the only real solution to many problems, and that would be developing yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]rob, that would work...but race is apparent...

[rob brito]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. neither.

encourage yourself, then one another to FOCUS on character traits that stem from the plight we all go through to develop/better oneself.

i say focus lest you ignore the very real problems that exist, the focus should remain on what i feel is the only real solution to many problems, and that would be developing yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]rob, that would work...but race is apparent... </font>[/QUOTE]i was blessed with being born into one of the most multi-cultural communities in the world, i never felt racism until i travelled and further never saw the term defined until later still. as a result i fully understand the concept but fully acknowledge that it was LEARNED, i can also see why many people will feel resentment as a result of being on the receiving end of all this ,however, racists cling to a learned and false ideology and it's something we as individuals can't change unless THEY want it to.

[rob brito]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. neither.

encourage yourself, then one another to FOCUS on character traits that stem from the plight we all go through to develop/better oneself.

i say focus lest you ignore the very real problems that exist, the focus should remain on what i feel is the only real solution to many problems, and that would be developing yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]robs...do you think that what you said would end up with #1 and/or #2 as the result? </font>[/QUOTE]it's closer to #1 since it applies to all, although i feel that racism would kill itself (being an illusion) when we'd choose to focus on the traits i mentioned.

[darrow]

just a thoughts outloud so to speak...

JL's question (if reworded) simply asked which end result are people more interested in - #1 or #2. No means were suggested, just the ends. I mention that because it seemed that some people were getting caught up in discussing/arguing the means...or the solutions as someone put it...and then arguing about definitions of terms.

I'm still curious about which END people are more interested in.

Also...I hate that JL titled this thread "racist topic". That title set the tone for unnecessary tension in my mind.

His question seemed to be more about where people want energy placed..where they want to see results faster...than a discussion on racism.

[AD]

Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. I would pick choice 1 because choice 2 would follow along with choice number 1 anyway.

[dVine]

Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. How exactly do you think racism can be ended? I think its all about not passing judgement, no matter how many times someone of a particular race does something you might attribute to that race. Even if its something against your own people. We're just going to have rise above that negativity and turn the other cheek time and time again because there arent' bad races, just bad people. Even more important is giving their children the benefit of the doubt. It's hard, especially if its affected you personally, but we aren't going to get anywhere holding grudges and two wrongs definitely don't make a right.

[Bold Soul]

Race is an illusion.

[rob brito]

i swear when i posted my "race is an illusion" thing i completely ignored the link to the video of the same name at the top of the page.

either that or it was just put up.

[ May 14, 2003, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: robs ]

[mhd]

nah man, you just on point, be careful with those solutions, gets in the way of rhetoric

[rob brito]

Originally posted by mhd:
nah man, you just on point, be careful with those solutions, gets in the way of rhetoric rhetoric=comic relief

where'd we be without the clowns?

[ May 14, 2003, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: robs ]

[JMJ]

Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ

[Sandman]

Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by girlfriday:
In response to the question, I would choose neither, because neither is realistic.

By dissolving your own racism in your thoughts and beliefs first, the US and the rest of the world may have a chance.
smile.gif What are you talking about its not realistic? </font>[/QUOTE]Reality changes daily graemlins/bolt.gif

[Sandman]

Originally posted by JMJ:
Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ Sorry, smartee pants KNOW it alls, Person of the above post. Here is the reason spoken by DHP's Biggest Clown. This is not a Re-Run , We have skate shoot Score. graemlins/rofl.gif

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Sandman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ Sorry, smartee pants KNOW it alls, Person of the above post. Here is the reason spoken by DHP's Biggest Clown. This is not a Re-Run , We have skate shoot Score. graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]So what are you saying??.....JMJ

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by JL:
Are you interested more in:

1) The ending of racism in general, or movement in that direction.
or
2) The specific bettering the plight of black people here in the United States. 1.

Why because the world isn't the "United" States and it never will be, it's hard to believe but true enough

Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the English. graemlins/rofl.gif

The English don't like Anyone
The scottish don't like the English
The Welsh don't like the English
The Argentinians wasn't keen on UK
Indians don't like Pakistanis
Pakistanis don't like Indians
Turks don't like Greeks
greeks don't like Cypriates
Portugese don't like the Spanish
Canadians don't like Americans etc....

If it ain't colour (yes that is the correct spelling), location, Religion, choice of clothing, gender, height, width, langauge.

One person who claims to be totally pro whatever will probably tell you he hates christian women with the next breath, people just love this stuff it's in our nature perhaps.

But on the other hand you will find love between people all over the globe, that's why we bother..


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[JL]

Thank you for your thoughtful responses everyone.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sandman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ Sorry, smartee pants KNOW it alls, Person of the above post. Here is the reason spoken by DHP's Biggest Clown. This is not a Re-Run , We have skate shoot Score. graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]So what are you saying??.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The post is titled Racist topic! Which was a JOKE.
To see how many racist and which would start posting.( no I did'nt start it)
However your post on this topic was one of the best posts we've had thus far. It made sence so this over all joke about repeat topics is null and void. graemlins/rofl.gif Keep up the good thoughts!

[ May 15, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: Sandman ]

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Sandman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sandman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ Sorry, smartee pants KNOW it alls, Person of the above post. Here is the reason spoken by DHP's Biggest Clown. This is not a Re-Run , We have skate shoot Score. graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]So what are you saying??.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The post is titled Racist post! Which was a JOKE.
To see how many racist would start posting.
However your post was one of the best post we've had thus far so this joke about repeat topic is null and void. graemlins/rofl.gif Keep up the good thoughts! </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks, dude! There are a few things I take seriously.....JMJ smile.gif

[martin]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English?

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Because sleeping with an English girl is like ****ing a glass of water.

[rob brito]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Because sleeping with an English girl is like ****ing a glass of water. </font>[/QUOTE]aye!

[dVine]

Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Because sleeping with an English girl is like ****ing a glass of water. </font>[/QUOTE]aye! </font>[/QUOTE]pretty ironic analogy there, considering the context of the thread. care to explain the English now?

[Dr. Freud]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Race is an illusion. This is the third or fourth time I have seen this phrase used on this board today. Will someone please explain to me how race is an illusion.

*edit*

Sorry, I didn't check the other thread before I made this post. My bad.

[ May 15, 2003, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Freud ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Martin, I just threw that in to see if anyone noticed, I am English, they did some nasty things in the past but that was then and this is now smile.gif

[ May 16, 2003, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Because sleeping with an English girl is like ****ing a glass of water. </font>[/QUOTE]You want to try the women rather than the girls, much more clued up sexually.


Or the German, I take it she is German ?
;)

http://thepleasurableside.com/images/deo.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[ May 16, 2003, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Race is an illusion. An illusion created by Freidrich von Blumenbach to categorize particular people, and to try to show that Africans were inferior. Therefore it was ok to enslave them. To bad he didn't know or wanna know about Imhotep, Akhenaton, Amenhotep, Queen Tiye, the Nubians, the Moors, or countless other people who were either African or influenced by ancient black people.
1) Caucasoid -- 1st world
2) Mongoloid -- 2nd world
3) Negroid -- 3rd world

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by JMJ:
Plight is a negative connotation, so to better the plight of a group of people wouldn't be bettering anything, rather merely reducing the condition of negativity that currently exists. Two steps forward, three steps back. Education and socialization are both the real solution, and the lack of is the root of the problem. Racists are afraid of the unknown, unwilling to accept change, refuse to adapt to the REAL world they live in, and are afraid to admit to their lack of social intelligence. Racists fear educated people. I can't pick either of the solutions offered because they're really not solutions at all. Ever notice how a dog will growl at somebody they don't know?? It's usually out of fear, and an unwillingness to compromise their comfort zone, or their "territory", which is essentially the same thing. People are the same way. The less we know about each other, and how much alike we really are, the more we segregate. People are not born racist. It's a social conditon, or rather a lack of social conditioning. I have spoken....JMJ Great points JMJ. Erykah Badu once said in a lecture that the opposite of love is not hate, but fear. Now I understand what she meant.

[djmarbll]

It's funny how few people on this thread have actually given a response based on the topic. I think 1) would be the most ideal solution, then all we'd have are social and class issues. The second option is kind of an oxymoron in concept based on reasoning JMJ already gave. Plus many blacks have been successful and racism is still here. Like Malcolm X once asked, "What do racists call a black man with a PhD.? A nigger." Whether either option is a rational solution is beside the point. I think JL was just posing a simple hypothetical question to get some dialogue started. I wonder now when did racism start?

[martin]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Martin, I just threw that in to see if anyone noticed, I am English, they did some nasty things in the past but that was then and this is now smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed. But like you say we shouldn't walk around with the guilt of our ancestors on our shoulders.

[martin]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Everyone hates someone for some shit that happened in the past, I can't stand the EnglishA little off topic - but why can't you stand the English? </font>[/QUOTE]Because sleeping with an English girl is like ****ing a glass of water. </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe you're doing something wrong ;)

You can't satisfy an Englishwoman, eh?