I don't care what anybody says..Kordell Stewart [Archive]

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:14 PM

sucks to high heaven..The man CAN NOT PASS..I thought it was a requirement to be a pro quarterback..And I'm not impressed with the passing of any of these Black QB's..what the fvck is the problem? THE only Black QB that was an ACCURATE passer was Warren Moon. I see why they scramble all the damn time..they can't pass worth a fvck..so what you got a strong arm..it don't mean nothing if you can't hit the side of a barn..sue me , shoot me.. Yeah ok... No none of them ..name me one that is accurate in the PASSING area... Throwing a bomb and letting your reciever catch up to the ball is not what I call accuracy either..that's just a reciever that can fly.

[ October 06, 2003, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

mhd

10-06-2003, 12:16 PM

rich limbaugh what about doug williams

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either.

mhd

10-06-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]huh? record setting super bowls requires accuracy, my friend. you don't make it to that level on arm strength alone

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]huh? record setting super bowls requires accuracy, my friend. you don't make it to that level on arm strength alone [/QUOTE]Trust me I saw the game he was just letting it fly and the recievers ran and got it..long bombs equal big yardage..not impressed. I'm talking about hitting your recievers in stride on slant patterns..having touch when needed. Threading the needle so to speak..we can debate all day..I don't see it..

Fletch

10-06-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]How did Tampa Bay almost get to the Super Bowl in 1978, then?????

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]How did Tampa Bay almost get to the Super Bowl in 1978, then????? [/QUOTE]Huh I thought they won the Super Bowl..It wasn't on the ACCURACY of Doug Williams arm. He and the others are not bad quartebacks per se..well Kordell I don't know. I'm only talking about the ACCURACY of the PASSING of the QB's ..where is it and why is it not there?

[ October 06, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

upliftdisco365

10-06-2003, 12:33 PM

Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him?

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:33 PM

Just watch these cats the next time they play.. Watch for the ACCURACY of their PASSING.

Fletch

10-06-2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]How did Tampa Bay almost get to the Super Bowl in 1978, then????? [/QUOTE]Huh I thought they won the Super Bowl..It wasn't on the ACCURACY of Doug Williams arm. He and the others are not bad quartebacks per se..well Kordell I don't know. I'm only talking about the ACCURACY of the PASSING of the QB's ..where is it and why is it not there? [/QUOTE]I said 1978, now 2002. I remember watching their season, with a young Doug Williams, getting them a Central Division title (two years after going 0-26). He had a LOT to do with the Bucs season that year! And RB Ricky Bell, too! (some of y'all are too young to remember that season). Peace.

Mack-Williams

10-06-2003, 12:37 PM

Here comes a history lesson by Mike Barnes. I feel it coming. :D

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now.

mhd

10-06-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now. [/QUOTE]so that's three exceptions to your stereotype, ready to give it up yet?

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Here comes a history lesson by Mike Barnes. I feel it coming. :D Yeah he always got the straight dope for real.

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]How did Tampa Bay almost get to the Super Bowl in 1978, then????? [/QUOTE]Huh I thought they won the Super Bowl..It wasn't on the ACCURACY of Doug Williams arm. He and the others are not bad quartebacks per se..well Kordell I don't know. I'm only talking about the ACCURACY of the PASSING of the QB's ..where is it and why is it not there? [/QUOTE]I said 1978, now 2002. I remember watching their season, with a young Doug Williams, getting them a Central Division title (two years after going 0-26). He had a LOT to do with the Bucs season that year! And RB Ricky Bell, too! (some of y'all are too young to remember that season). Peace. [/QUOTE]Rickey Bell out of USC..no???

Fletch

10-06-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
rich limbaugh what about doug williams Strong arm no accuracy either. [/QUOTE]How did Tampa Bay almost get to the Super Bowl in 1978, then????? [/QUOTE]Huh I thought they won the Super Bowl..It wasn't on the ACCURACY of Doug Williams arm. He and the others are not bad quartebacks per se..well Kordell I don't know. I'm only talking about the ACCURACY of the PASSING of the QB's ..where is it and why is it not there? [/QUOTE]I said 1978, now 2002. I remember watching their season, with a young Doug Williams, getting them a Central Division title (two years after going 0-26). He had a LOT to do with the Bucs season that year! And RB Ricky Bell, too! (some of y'all are too young to remember that season). Peace. [/QUOTE]Rickey Bell out of USC..no??? [/QUOTE]yep!

JMJ

10-06-2003, 12:43 PM

Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper are both accurate passers. No quarterback, white or black, is going to be very accurate if they're on the run most of the game. Alot of the running is dictated by shitty offensive lines. Lousy blocking upfront = Run for your life. Rich Gannon used to run alot, as did McNair when he first got into the league, and neither was very accurate. Now that they're primarily pocket passers, both are amongst the best in the NFL......JMJ

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now. [/QUOTE]so that's three exceptions to your stereotype, ready to give it up yet? [/QUOTE]Yup that's it I can't think of any good passing QB's..maybe good QB's but passers no...I'tslike the league doesn't expect them to be that or something ..I don't get it...Why they gotta all be slash??

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper are both accurate passers. No quarterback, white or black, is going to be very accurate if they're on the run most of the game. Alot of the running is dictated by shitty offensive lines. Lousy blocking upfront = Run for your life. Rich Gannon used to run alot, as did McNair when he first got into the league, and neither was very accurate. Now that they're primarily pocket passers, both are amongst the best in the NFL......JMJ Nope not to me...sorry..I understand about the poor protection thing..your ass is crazy..run for your life graemlins/rofl.gif but when these cats get the chance they often miss their recievers badly..why do we have Kordell again ....please remind me?? Just watch these dudes the next time they play.

[ October 06, 2003, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

mhd

10-06-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now. [/QUOTE]so that's three exceptions to your stereotype, ready to give it up yet? [/QUOTE]Yup that's it I can't think of any good passing QB's..maybe good QB's but passers no...I'tslike the league doesn't expect them to be that or something ..I don't get it...Why they gotta all be slash?? [/QUOTE]there are a lot more, those are only the three that you will admit

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now. [/QUOTE]so that's three exceptions to your stereotype, ready to give it up yet? [/QUOTE]Yup that's it I can't think of any good passing QB's..maybe good QB's but passers no...I'tslike the league doesn't expect them to be that or something ..I don't get it...Why they gotta all be slash?? [/QUOTE]there are a lot more, those are only the three that you will admit [/QUOTE]Who..for real dog .who??

mhd

10-06-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Randall Cunnigham was an awesome passer with pin-point accuracy. I've seen him dissect my Giants on more occasions than I care to remember. Keep an eye out for young Mr. Leftwich in Jacksonville He could grow to be the most accurate passer ever.

But yeah, Cordell sucks. I can't imagine what the Bears were thinking. What about Jim Miller? What happened to him? I forgot about James Blake the man could thread a needle when he first hit the NFL. Randall had one of THE biggest guns I'd seen..He just took forever to release the football which made him succeptable to being flushed out of the pocket.. his throwing motion took too damn long. Better passer than these buffons now. [/QUOTE]so that's three exceptions to your stereotype, ready to give it up yet? [/QUOTE]Yup that's it I can't think of any good passing QB's..maybe good QB's but passers no...I'tslike the league doesn't expect them to be that or something ..I don't get it...Why they gotta all be slash?? [/QUOTE]there are a lot more, those are only the three that you will admit [/QUOTE]Who..for real dog .who?? [/QUOTE]leftwich, james harris, culpepper, banks, mcnabb, charlie ward. tarkenton, elway, montana, staubach. gotta say it, if you were on espn, and white, you would be fired for your opening statement

richierich

10-06-2003, 12:58 PM

Shit Fran was the man...no question.. I don't debate the ones you mentioned. To me the jury is still out on Culpepper as long as he got Randy Moss he can't throw an incomplete pass. I hope Leftwich holds up. James Harris hell yeah Pittsburgh but see you digging up cats that played 30 yrs. ago. I'm talking about this new breed we got going on here. The third running back that can KINDA pass... Mark I call them as I see them not the way ESPN does..but you're right. You can be fired for speaking the truth when you're not supposed to say it.. I'm not PC like that

[ October 06, 2003, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

JMJ

10-06-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper are both accurate passers. No quarterback, white or black, is going to be very accurate if they're on the run most of the game. Alot of the running is dictated by shitty offensive lines. Lousy blocking upfront = Run for your life. Rich Gannon used to run alot, as did McNair when he first got into the league, and neither was very accurate. Now that they're primarily pocket passers, both are amongst the best in the NFL......JMJ Nope not to me...sorry..I understand about the poor protection thing..your ass is crazy..run for your life graemlins/rofl.gif but when these cats get the chance they often miss their recievers badly..why do we have Kordell again ....please remind me?? Just watch these dudes the next time they play. [/QUOTE]Maybe the numbers will change your mind. But what do I know?? The evidence:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/QB-PASSING/2003/regular

I rest my case.......JMJ

upliftdisco365

10-06-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
Shit Fran was the man...no question.. I don't debate the ones you mentioned. To me the jury is still out on Culpepper as long as he got Randy Moss he can't throw an incomplete pass. I hope Leftwich holds up. James Harris hell yeah Pittsburgh but see you digging up cats that played 30 yrs. ago. I'm talking about this new breed we got going on here. The third running back that can KINDA pass... Mark I call them as I see them not the way ESPN does..but you're right. You can be fired for speaking the truth when you're not supposed to say it.. I'm not PC like that James Harris (#12) was a long-time Ram, a Los Angeles Ram. Joe Gilliam (#17) was the Steelers quarterblack... He had TWO superbowl rings with the Steelers and tragically smoked them up. He had a thing for that base...

[ October 06, 2003, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: upliftdisco365 ]

upliftdisco365

10-06-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper are both accurate passers. No quarterback, white or black, is going to be very accurate if they're on the run most of the game. Alot of the running is dictated by shitty offensive lines. Lousy blocking upfront = Run for your life. Rich Gannon used to run alot, as did McNair when he first got into the league, and neither was very accurate. Now that they're primarily pocket passers, both are amongst the best in the NFL......JMJ Nope not to me...sorry..I understand about the poor protection thing..your ass is crazy..run for your life graemlins/rofl.gif but when these cats get the chance they often miss their recievers badly..why do we have Kordell again ....please remind me?? Just watch these dudes the next time they play. [/QUOTE]Maybe the numbers will change your mind. But what do I know?? The evidence:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/QB-PASSING/2003/regular

I rest my case.......JMJ [/QUOTE]Interesting...

McNair, Culpepper and Banks are in the top 10 in QB accuracy... Guess who's #11?

Leftowich.

Day all black.

richierich

10-06-2003, 01:17 PM

You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...It does say the competion numbes but hell the percentage of these cats being accurate passres is slim ok you got..maybe I got spoiled watching Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Joe Gun Montana, John Mile High Elway, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Ken Stabler (old I know but pinpoint accurate) Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Brett Favre. Iv'e always been impressed by QB's that could just lay it in there between the numbers no matter what.

upliftdisco365

10-06-2003, 01:19 PM

DJ Rated M

10-06-2003, 01:21 PM

please....Stew is better than Jim Miller(who LOST his starting job to Stew in Pittsburgh) and Chandler.....and you think a rookie is gonna get the job done 4 y'all.........

sorry, huh?

who from the Bears had 5 TD's twice(3 passing & 2 rushing)in a game within the same season? not to mention coming back from 21 points that game. or could throw for over 20 Tds and run for over 10 in the same season???

i'll tell Brother Talipharaoh to come on here and give a lesson cuz there's no one else i know that knows more about football than him....

y'all need to focus on the O line playing better, special teams, and do better than a 1 person(Urlacher sp?)defense.....

Stew's the reason they won yesterday....

richierich

10-06-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...It does say the competion numbes but hell the percentage of these cats being accurate passres is slim ok you got..maybe I got spoiled watching Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Joe Gun Montana, John Mile High Elway, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Ken Stabler (old I know but pinpoint accurate) Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Brett Favre. Iv'e always been impressed by QB's that could just lay it in there between the numbers no matter what. QB rating is a composite metric, which does, to a large degree, measure accuracy. [/QUOTE]Maybe I aint seeing something ..it's cool though but these cats can't pass worth a fvck...mediocre at best but hey maybe everybody is missing their mark cause every time I watch Kordell or Donovan I see a lot of recievers being missed.

Fletch

10-06-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...Quarterbacks are not throwing through swinging tires out there. Have you ever thought of the fact that Dante's throwing it up there because Moss WILL catch it, and is the only one that can?

Do you think that Bradshaw, in Supe XIII, would have thrown that final TD pass the way he did if he he didn't have a Swann to bring that **** down?

Point is this: great QB's will throw balls based on the talent of their receivers. What looks inaccurate to you is actually very accurate, depending on the situation. Peace.

[ October 06, 2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: einnod23 ]

DJ Rated M

10-06-2003, 01:27 PM

the Eagles would not have made it to the championship game 2 yrs in a row without McNabb....

do you suggest a Mr. Pocket passer all of the time??

not happening, chief.......

richierich

10-06-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by DJ Rated M:
the Eagles would not have made it to the championship game 2 yrs in a row without McNabb....

do you suggest a Mr. Pocket passer all of the time??

not happening, chief....... No I know that aint gonna happen...I NEVER said he wasn't a good QB ..I'm just talking about the drop back and throw a pass aspect..when you've got protection...I am definitely a person that prefers to see a pocket passer with the exception of Michael Vick..this guy is just nuts on the football field and he too could improve on his accuracy which I hope he will.

richierich

10-06-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by einnod23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...Quarterbacks are not throwing through swinging tires out there. Have you ever thought of the fact that Dante's throwing it up there because Moss WILL catch it, and is the only one that can?

Do you think that Bradshaw, in Supe XIII, would have thrown that final TD pass the way he did if he he didn't have a Swann to bring that **** down?

Point is this: great QB's will throw balls based on the talent of their receivers. What looks inaccurate to you is actually very accurate, depending on the situation. Peace. [/QUOTE]Leave Terry alone he was my hero..hands down.. hail.gif
one of THE sweetest throwing motions in the game.
I get what you're sayin' they sometimes..no oft times throw to a spot that the reciever will be at based on the route..this I know that takes accuracy.

[ October 06, 2003, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

Sharp Eye Washington

10-06-2003, 02:15 PM

Speaking of accurate Black Quaterbacks, anyone remember James Harris of the LA Rams? He had the tools but they had Ron Jaworski & Pat Haden during his LA run.

richierich

10-06-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
Speaking of accurate Black Quaterbacks, anyone remember James Harris of the LA Rams? He had the tools but they had Ron Jaworski & Pat Haden during his LA run. I think I had just started watching football. I can't ever remember watching him play though.

richierich

10-06-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
Shit Fran was the man...no question.. I don't debate the ones you mentioned. To me the jury is still out on Culpepper as long as he got Randy Moss he can't throw an incomplete pass. I hope Leftwich holds up. James Harris hell yeah Pittsburgh but see you digging up cats that played 30 yrs. ago. I'm talking about this new breed we got going on here. The third running back that can KINDA pass... Mark I call them as I see them not the way ESPN does..but you're right. You can be fired for speaking the truth when you're not supposed to say it.. I'm not PC like that James Harris (#12) was a long-time Ram, a Los Angeles Ram. Joe Gilliam (#17) was the Steelers quarterblack... He had TWO superbowl rings with the Steelers and tragically smoked them up. He had a thing for that base... [/QUOTE]Good call..my bad definitely meant Joe Gilliam..I never saw him play. I started watching football because of Terry Bradshaw and the Pittsburgh Steelers..just plain dominance..

[ October 06, 2003, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

JMJ

10-06-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...It does say the competion numbes but hell the percentage of these cats being accurate passres is slim ok you got..maybe I got spoiled watching Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Joe Gun Montana, John Mile High Elway, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Ken Stabler (old I know but pinpoint accurate) Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Brett Favre. Iv'e always been impressed by QB's that could just lay it in there between the numbers no matter what. An ACCURATE PASSER knows not only how to "lead" his receivers with the ball, but knows what his receivers can and can't do, and works with their strengths. Why does Culpepper throw the ball up for Moss to jump up and get it??? Because Moss is 6-5, and can outleap nearly all the cornerbacks and safeties that cover him, because they're shorter. How effective would Moss be if Culpepper hit him between the numbers all the time?? Not very.....The fact that Culpepper gets the ball anywhere near where Moss has a chance to catch it proves his accuracy. Again, the numbers don't lie.......JMJ

The Buddy Love Show

10-06-2003, 03:57 PM

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=037879

they are only accurate because their receivers go to the ball...now that is some classic shit right there

btw, Montana was accurate as hell with the pass that made him...aka The Catch

it is to laugh

richierich

10-06-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=037879

they are only accurate because their receivers go to the ball...now that is some classic shit right there

btw, Montana was accurate as hell with the pass that made him...aka The Catch

it is to laugh I have my moments :D

The Buddy Love Show

10-06-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by richierich:
You don't get what I'm saying.If I throw the ball in the air as in Dante Culpepper 9 times out of 10 randy Moss is gonna JUMP up and catch it. These numbers do not tell the ACCURACY of the passres...It does say the competion numbes but hell the percentage of these cats being accurate passres is slim ok you got..maybe I got spoiled watching Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Joe Gun Montana, John Mile High Elway, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff George, Ken Stabler (old I know but pinpoint accurate) Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Brett Favre. Iv'e always been impressed by QB's that could just lay it in there between the numbers no matter what. An ACCURATE PASSER knows not only how to "lead" his receivers with the ball, but knows what his receivers can and can't do, and works with their strengths. Why does Culpepper throw the ball up for Moss to jump up and get it??? Because Moss is 6-5, and can outleap nearly all the cornerbacks and safeties that cover him, because they're shorter. How effective would Moss be if Culpepper hit him between the numbers all the time?? Not very.....The fact that Culpepper gets the ball anywhere near where Moss has a chance to catch it proves his accuracy. Again, the numbers don't lie.......JMJ [/QUOTE]which brings up the point...accurate passers throw to a spot in space trhat gives the receiver the best chance to catch the ball

black QBs are doing this just as well as white ones

in the Wiley thread that i have attached in the above post he points out that the great QBs have one thing in common - MOBILITY,,,,and who would you believe Wiley ( writer for ESPN and former NBC NFL Insider ) or hahahahahaha richierich of the DHP

julian_kelly

10-06-2003, 05:31 PM

Might as well post some career raw data...sources http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ and espn.com:

Passes--Completed-- Completion Percentage

Quincy Carter
286 523 54.7

galloway...glenn

Donovan McNabb
1003 1780 56.3

medioce recievers ..no guns to throw to

Steve McNair
1734 2936 59.1

no receivers...best = derrick mason and frank whcheck

Dante Culpepper
907 1458 62.2

moss...chris carter..jake reed

Jeff Blake
1672 2964 56.4
Carl Pickens

Aaron Brooks
802 1436 55.8

Joe Horn

Kordell Stewart
1255 2230 56.3

Plexiglass and Hines ..Yancey Thigpen

Charlie Batch
746 1332 56.0
Johnnie Morton...a hurt Herman Moore

Rodney Pete
1343 2345 57.3
Brett Perriman? ...Herman Moore... cant remember receivers in philly

Michael Vick
281 534 52.6
Nobody to throw to

Byron Leftwich
47 77 61.0
Just got Jimi Smith...otherwise no one

Tony Banks
1209 2238 54.0
Issac Bruce

Shaun king
353 632 55.9
Keyshawn for 1 year i think...otherwise scrubs

Ray Lucas
280 483 58.0
Keyshawn...Chebret...Mediocre Miami receivers

Akili Smith
280 483 58.0
Nobody

Joe Montana 3409 5391 63.2
Rice...Brent Jones...John Taylor ...Roger Craig..Dwight Clark

Steve Young 2667 4149 64.3
See Montana

Dan Marino 4967 8358 59.4
Clayton...Duper...oj mcduffie ...had a few good tight ends...fryar

John Elway 4123 7250 56.9
Mccaffrey...Rod Smith..Shannon Starpe...3 amigos
If you ask me...Terrell Davis is the reson why he won the big dance....

Drew Bledsoe | 2919 5128 56.9
Moulds...Ben Coates...glenn...fryar

Jeff George 2298 3967 57.9
Moss ...Carter...Tim Brown..Andre Rison?

Ken Stabler 2270 3793 59.8
Branch and Casper

Roger Staubach 1685 2958 57.0
Hill...Pearson...hayes

Brett Farve 3652 5993 60.9
Sharpe...Chamura...Keith Jackson...whats his name--dude played for the eagles last season

Bold Soul

10-06-2003, 05:58 PM

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/EvanVi00.htm

The Buddy Love Show

10-06-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by julian_kelly:
Might as well post some career raw data...sources http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ and espn.com:

Passes--Completed-- Completion Percentage

Quincy Carter
286 523 54.7

galloway...glenn

Donovan McNabb
1003 1780 56.3

medioce recievers ..no guns to throw to

Steve McNair
1734 2936 59.1

no receivers...best = derrick mason and frank whcheck

Dante Culpepper
907 1458 62.2

moss...chris carter..jake reed

Jeff Blake
1672 2964 56.4
Carl Pickens

Aaron Brooks
802 1436 55.8

Joe Horn

Kordell Stewart
1255 2230 56.3

Plexiglass and Hines ..Yancey Thigpen

Charlie Batch
746 1332 56.0
Johnnie Morton...a hurt Herman Moore

Rodney Pete
1343 2345 57.3
Brett Perriman? ...Herman Moore... cant remember receivers in philly

Michael Vick
281 534 52.6
Nobody to throw to

Byron Leftwich
47 77 61.0
Just got Jimi Smith...otherwise no one

Tony Banks
1209 2238 54.0
Issac Bruce

Shaun king
353 632 55.9
Keyshawn for 1 year i think...otherwise scrubs

Ray Lucas
280 483 58.0
Keyshawn...Chebret...Mediocre Miami receivers

Akili Smith
280 483 58.0
Nobody

Joe Montana 3409 5391 63.2
Rice...Brent Jones...John Taylor ...Roger Craig..Dwight Clark

Steve Young 2667 4149 64.3
See Montana

Dan Marino 4967 8358 59.4
Clayton...Duper...oj mcduffie ...had a few good tight ends...fryar

John Elway 4123 7250 56.9
Mccaffrey...Rod Smith..Shannon Starpe...3 amigos
If you ask me...Terrell Davis is the reson why he won the big dance....

Drew Bledsoe | 2919 5128 56.9
Moulds...Ben Coates...glenn...fryar

Jeff George 2298 3967 57.9
Moss ...Carter...Tim Brown..Andre Rison?

Ken Stabler 2270 3793 59.8
Branch and Casper

Roger Staubach 1685 2958 57.0
Hill...Pearson...hayes

Brett Farve 3652 5993 60.9
Sharpe...Chamura...Keith Jackson...whats his name--dude played for the eagles last season gasp...ya mean that outside of Montana and Young (who both had the best receiver of all time) all these QB's are fairly close in terms of completion percentages/accuracy...THIS CAN'T BE...Wiley looks smarter and smarter and richie yer slippin bad dude

Ronnie Ron

10-06-2003, 06:58 PM

Right now Quincy Carter is throwin that shit on Stride with accuracy.

Warren Moon was always my favorite from day one.
to bad his best years were in the Canadain football league, his numbers whould have been unreachable had he started his career off in the NFL..... threw the best ball i ever saw.

R-R

JMJ

10-06-2003, 07:32 PM

Richie should have conceded while still on page 1 of this thread, unless the numbers really do lie. Sorry Rich, but you're dead wrong on this one.......JMJ ;)

julian_kelly

10-06-2003, 08:40 PM

A few more again… source : http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

Randall Cunningham
2429 4289 56.6
Barnett, Byars…Jackson…Quick

Warren Moon
3988 6823 58.4
Haywood Jeffries…Webster Slaughter

Dan Fouts
3297 5604 58.8

Charlie Joyner…Wes Chandler…Kellen Winslow…Chuck Muncie

Troy Aikman
2898 4715 61.5

Novchek…Irvin…Harper…Emmitt

Kurt Warner
1083 1623 66.7
Faulk, Holt, Hakim, Proel, Bruce

Jim Kelly
2874 4779 60.1
Thurman, Andre Reed, Lofton

Johnny Unitas
2830 5186 54.6

Fran Tarkenton
3686 6467 57.0

Joe Theisman
2044 3602 56.7
Monk…Charlie Brown…

Terry Bradshaw
2025 3901 51.9 (what accuracy) lol!
Swan…Stallworth

Jim Plunket
1943 3701 52.5
Branch…todd christenson

Brian Griese
1926 3429 56.2

Joe Namith
1886 3762 50.1

Boomer Esiason
2969 5205 57.0

Phil Sims
2576 4647 55.4
Bavaro??

Ken Anderson
| 2654 4475 59.3

Chris Collinsworth ….Willie Gault??

Querck

10-06-2003, 09:39 PM

Rich, give it up.

Kordell is more accurate than Tommy Maddox, I know that for sure. :(

Rodney Ransom

10-06-2003, 11:38 PM

Im not gonna front what little bit iv'e seen of him that MOFO stink. graemlins/puke.gif

Querck

10-07-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
Im not gonna front what little bit iv'e seen of him that MOFO stink. graemlins/puke.gif Maybe you haven't seen enough. Kordell had 2 great seasons as the Steelers qb, and many games where he was accurate and dominated on the ground too. His flaw is inconsistency, which is why he is not a great qb, but he is still a decent one, and given the right supporting cast and coaching, he can win.

DJ Rated M

10-07-2003, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by dannyboy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
Im not gonna front what little bit iv'e seen of him that MOFO stink. graemlins/puke.gif Maybe you haven't seen enough. Kordell had 2 great seasons as the Steelers qb, and many games where he was accurate and dominated on the ground too. His flaw is inconsistency, which is why he is not a great qb, but he is still a decent one, and given the right supporting cast and coaching, he can win. [/QUOTE]2 great huh???

how about the yr that sorry ass Kent Graham started and the Steelers were 0-3? it was Stew that came in and salvaged that season & they went 9-7. inconsistency? can you say that about Turnover Tommy? oh, then again you might be in love with stats: that don't mean shit if you don't win....but i am looking at one stat from that bum TT.....TURNOVERS....especially when they're ran back for TDs.....

and Rodney, Carter is just coming around so don't give me that Stew's sorry BS..