Instead of trying make house like hiphop

[Huey P. Freeman]

Why don't you just be into hiphop? That's like trying to make your girl be your dream girl. Instead accept her for what she is or find another girl. Concept is pretty simple. House ain't doing it for you? Move the fu.ck on.

[DLow]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Concept is pretty simple. House ain't doing it for you? Move the fu.ck on. There it is. Simple and plain. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[ultra]

Word. Stop the damn whining.

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Why don't you just be into hiphop? That's like trying to make your girl be your dream girl. Instead accept her for what she is or find another girl. Concept is pretty simple. House ain't doing it for you? Move the fu.ck on. know its not about make house like hip hop
1st of all both these have the same exact music roots (but folk still seem to believe it)
Now inspite the garbage goping on in hip hop it is a worldwide phenom with old and young/black & white having some idea anfd influence of what this culture and music formed and cultivated by youth of colour in the ghetto's of the US
with similar beginings house has a similar tale
but
short sighted success yet hip hop is a triumphant (as well failure)
example of what could be done in the name of house
(epec buisness wise and even culturally face wise)

but these house people with thier nose in the air don't wanna believe in what possibilitys can lie ahead with a little better planning

[ November 08, 2003, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Ron paizley ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
but these house people with thier nose in the air don't wanna believe in what possibilitys can lie ahead with a little better planning This "house" culture BS isn't actual. Its outward perception is one of peace, love, sharing, happiness, but its underpinnings are all stagnation, scorn and failure and strife.

Outwardly, Hip Hop appears violent, tragic, exploitative and destructive, but its underpinnings are everything House claims itself to be.

[corwin]

I wholeheartedly agree, Eargasm. I haven't enjoyed the My Music Is Better Than Your Music game since adolescence. It's like a juvenile cultural war. I'm in my thirties and suddenly it feels like I'm in ****ing high school again.

Criticizism of an art form without providing fresh ideas and proclaiming it's death is from those who should have moved on long ago.

[ November 08, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: corwin ]

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ron paizley:
but these house people with thier nose in the air don't wanna believe in what possibilitys can lie ahead with a little better planning This "house" culture BS isn't actual. Its outward perception is one of peace, love, sharing, happiness, but its underpinnings are all stagnation, scorn and failure and strife.

Outwardly, Hip Hop appears violent, tragic, exploitative and destructive, but its underpinnings are everything House claims itself to be. </font>[/QUOTE]In the underground form I agree. But the commercial form is short sighted and self destructive. Get rich or die trying is the mantra. And in a lot of ways it's killing our community. Unfortunately alot of young blacks don't see it for what it is(entertainment). They try to live the words of these rappers with dire consequenses.

[Huey P. Freeman]

What I think alot of people are missing is that to have mainstream success you have to pander to the white suburban teenager(from everything I've read about the music industry that's it's number one consumer). As long as they are not feeling/buying house it will never get to hiphops status level. I for one see that as a good thing. The garbage coming out of the hiphop(I use the term very loosely here) community is terrible.

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
What I think alot of people are missing is that to have mainstream success you have to pander to the white suburban teenager(from everything I've read about the music industry that's it's number one consumer). As long as they are not feeling/buying house it will never get to hiphops status level. I for one see that as a good thing. The garbage coming out of the hiphop(I use the term very loosely here) community is terrible. but what about the garbage HOUSE thats comin out?
look the real deal is MTV had 2 start playing hiphop on its own merit the music had already taken off by itself all that happened was the corperates discovered that the suburban kids started liking hip hop and will buy it at first
simply a thing was happeneing that they had no idea about and was feeling it just like that other one "Rock n Roll'strictley on its own merits

the only thing that didn't transfer with hiphop was the dance elelment i mean from the DJs (hip hops trueleader)perspective

also I know many a negro couldn't f around with hip hop until they saw white kids gettin nto it
this white suburban excuse thing is played people! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ November 08, 2003, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Ron paizley ]

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
What I think alot of people are missing is that to have mainstream success you have to pander to the white suburban teenager(from everything I've read about the music industry that's it's number one consumer). As long as they are not feeling/buying house it will never get to hiphops status level. I for one see that as a good thing. The garbage coming out of the hiphop(I use the term very loosely here) community is terrible. but what about the garbage HOUSE thats comin out?
look the real deal is MTV had 2 start playing hiphop on its own merit the music had already taken off by itself all that happened was the corperates discovered that the suburban kids started liking hip hop and will buy it at first
simply a thing was happeneing that they had no idea about and was feeling it just like that other one "Rock n Roll'strictley on its own merits

the only thing that didn't transfer with hiphop was the dance elelment i mean from the DJs (hip hops trueleader)perspective

also I know many a negro couldn't f around with hip hop until they saw white kids gettin nto it
this white suburban excuse thing is played people! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not played at all. It is a fact. That's what makes commercial music commercial(the masses). In this case the masses are white suburban teenagers. Yes hiphop had it's own following(just like house does) before MTV started playing it. But it was not a commercial music. MTV started playing it because their core audience (white suburban teenagers) started getting into it. The majority of hiphop buyers (85% according to Russell Simmons) are white suburban teenagers. That's who radio/MTV hiphop its made/marketed for. Until that market starts buying the house product we love it will never be the force that "hiphop" has become. Thank god for that because it would lose it's identity(just like hiphop has).

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Why don't you just be into hiphop? That's like trying to make your girl be your dream girl. Instead accept her for what she is or find another girl. Concept is pretty simple. House ain't doing it for you? Move the fu.ck on. With all the sampling they do of the stuff we play..I think they are making hiphop like House.Their beats are getting faster and faster too.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

At one point, the hip-hop beats WERE faster than they are now. I used to dance to hip-hop and I remember a few hip-hop tracks that REALLY blurred the lines between house and hip-hop. "Treat 'Em Right" by Chubb Rock, "For Those That Like To Groove and Do It To The Crowd" by Twin Hype. At some point hip-hop, if it didn't start dancing completely, started dancing a LOT slower. After that, it was pretty much all just head-nodding. At lot of hip-hop albums used to have at least 1 or 2 up-tempo cuts on it.

[ November 09, 2003, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

I got a wicked idea......

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
I got a wicked idea...... Share!

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ron paizley:
but these house people with thier nose in the air don't wanna believe in what possibilitys can lie ahead with a little better planning This "house" culture BS isn't actual. Its outward perception is one of peace, love, sharing, happiness, but its underpinnings are all stagnation, scorn and failure and strife.

Outwardly, Hip Hop appears violent, tragic, exploitative and destructive, but its underpinnings are everything House claims itself to be. </font>[/QUOTE]oooooooooh shittttttttt

you are so frigging right...but of course the doomed disciples of disco will never accept such sacriledge

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
I got a wicked idea...... Share! </font>[/QUOTE]Look .............