What's the real reason behind requesting Playlists for mixes? [Archive]

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 08:53 AM

Do you judge a mix by its playlist or do you actully LISTEN to the mix?

Do you print the playlist and take it to your local record shop?

Starting next month when I start purchasing new shit, I'm not posting playlists anymore because I think some people are FOUL when it comes to listening to many mixes on various websites.

Who listens and who skims?

Peace

Jacques de Doozu

10-07-2003, 08:56 AM

some maybe foul, but some just want to know the name of that banging track they're hearing... graemlins/conf44.gif

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Tom D:
some maybe foul, but some just want to know the name of that banging track they're hearing... graemlins/conf44.gif That's understandable, but ask for that particular song, don't request a playlist before listening, that's nonsense if you ask me.

upliftdisco365

10-07-2003, 09:01 AM

Is it really so bad to wanna play something that you heard another DJ play first? I mean, your record selection is only one dimension of your style. Just because you know what songs I play and even buy all of the songs that I buy, doesn't mean that you can present them the way that I present them.

Dolemite73

10-07-2003, 09:01 AM

Why nonsense? I would not care if it were a deephouse, hip-hop or a jazz mix. I want to know the name of the song and who made/produced it. And if I choose to go buy a song that I have heard in a mix, so what?

Jacques de Doozu

10-07-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tom D:
some maybe foul, but some just want to know the name of that banging track they're hearing... graemlins/conf44.gif That's understandable, but ask for that particular song, don't request a playlist before listening, that's nonsense if you ask me. [/QUOTE]i don't know...
first of all it's easier both for the dj and the listener to get a complete playlist, rather then to 'the track at the 00:24:32 mark'...
then there's always the possibility of somebody not wanting to give playlist for their mix, and they have the right to do so.
it reminds me of dj's who steam off or cover their labels on the records graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Is it really so bad to wanna play something that you heard another DJ play first? I mean, your record selection is only one dimension of your style. Just because you know what songs I play and even buy all of the songs that I buy, doesn't mean that you can present them the way that I present them. There it is...

Jacques de Doozu

10-07-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Dolemite73:
Why nonsense? I would not care if it were a deephouse, hip-hop or a jazz mix. I want to know the name of the song and who made/produced it. And if I choose to go buy a song that I have heard in a mix, so what? this can only support the artist(s) who made the track. 'house music is dying', 'mp3 dj's don't do anything to support the music', etc...
maybe dj's who hide their music are part of the problem?

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:07 AM

Something I got away from in my mixes was the "anticipation" affect within my mixes. Peeps wondering what I'm going to play next.

What happen to the "Ohh shit" factor in our mixes?

If you ask me you're cheating yourself when you ask for a playlist, because you no longer have that mind state of jumping out of your chair yelling, "Damn did you hear that?"!!!!!

Peace

DLow

10-07-2003, 09:08 AM

I can't see requesting a playlist and not listening to the mix. Are you saying there are some that will, instead of researching and digging in the crates themselves, use playlists as a lazy way of shopping?

jsd540

10-07-2003, 09:09 AM

sorry my bad

[ October 07, 2003, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: jsd540 ]

Leslie

10-07-2003, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tom D:
some maybe foul, but some just want to know the name of that banging track they're hearing... graemlins/conf44.gif That's understandable, but ask for that particular song, don't request a playlist before listening, that's nonsense if you ask me. [/QUOTE]Groove are you serious? Come on! Now its "nonsense" to ask for a playlist before you listen to a mix. Maybe because its easier than having to go back and hound someone for the name of a song only to hear "oh ahh, yea I forgot I gotta go dig that out again". You want people to be into the music but you don't want to give people simple access to the name of a song. Groove explain the logic in that cause you done really lost me now.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:10 AM

I think you would appreciate a mix much more when you have no clue what's coming up next.

It happens all the time in the clubs, so why not have the same affect when listening at home or in your car?

Peace

jsd540

10-07-2003, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Do you judge a mix by its playlist or do you actully LISTEN to the mix?

Do you print the playlist and take it to your local record shop?

Starting next month when I start purchasing new shit, I'm not posting playlists anymore because I think some people are FOUL when it comes to listening to many mixes on various websites.

Who listens and who skims?

Peace I don't believe that an artist should lose out on a potential sale because I'm angry with some of the foul sh** people do.

I post most playlists because I really don't care if someone else plays some of the same trax I play, or how they get those trax.

I'm just hopin' to connect with someone on a musical level and get some feedback on what I have done.

gabriel

10-07-2003, 09:13 AM

to learn.

i generally don't look at what's coming up.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tom D:
some maybe foul, but some just want to know the name of that banging track they're hearing... graemlins/conf44.gif That's understandable, but ask for that particular song, don't request a playlist before listening, that's nonsense if you ask me. [/QUOTE]Groove are you serious? Come on! Now its "nonsense" to ask for a playlist before you listen to a mix. Maybe because its easier than having to go back and hound someone for the name of a song only to hear "oh ahh, yea I forgot I gotta go dig that out again". You want people to be into the music but you don't want to give people simple access to the name of a song. Groove explain the logic in that cause you done really lost me now. [/QUOTE]No, I'm not implying that a DJ should hold out on a playlist. What I'm saying is when I see peeps post a mix on message boards, the second or third reply (after about 5 mintes) is "Cool, can I get a playlist?"

Listen to the entire mix before requesting tracks. Experience this DJs mix for a change, not just one or two songs that you felt were Dope.

Peace

Brenda

10-07-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Is it really so bad to wanna play something that you heard another DJ play first? I mean, your record selection is only one dimension of your style. Just because you know what songs I play and even buy all of the songs that I buy, doesn't mean that you can present them the way that I present them. There it is... [/QUOTE]Aiight...

upliftdisco365

10-07-2003, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think you would appreciate a mix much more when you have no clue what's coming up next. I've gotta admit...
This is true.

I definitely think that you should listen first, then read.

10-07-2003, 09:16 AM

Playlists = song IDs

That's why I like them.

Cheddar

10-07-2003, 09:18 AM

In all respect Groove....it Does Not Matter.
If you are going to take the 80 minutes of your time to create your compilation/mixation, the motives of potential listeners is irrelevant.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think you would appreciate a mix much more when you have no clue what's coming up next. I've gotta admit...
This is true.

I definitely think that you should listen first, then read. [/QUOTE]This is one of the points I was trying to make. But if you analyze some of these topics that talk about mixes, look at the times inwhich people reply.

Dope Mix slammin, hit me off with a playlist.

Yeah 3 minutes after a person posts up on the board that they have a mixonline and NOW you want a playlist.

Men and women love to Cum when they have sex, that's a given, but enjoy working your way up to that point.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by 1343:
In all respect Groove....it Does Not Matter.
If you are going to take the 80 minutes of your time to create your compilation/mixation, the motives of potential listeners is irrelevant. Is it really?

How many of us have were on AudioGalaxy last year and heard tracks that were taken from the Yellorange Site, or even the DHP?

You call that Irrelevant, I call it Foul!!!!!

upliftdisco365

10-07-2003, 09:21 AM

Cheddar

10-07-2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
In all respect Groove....it Does Not Matter.
If you are going to take the 80 minutes of your time to create your compilation/mixation, the motives of potential listeners is irrelevant. Is it really?

How many of us have were on AudioGalaxy last year and heard tracks that were taken from the Yellorange Site, or even the DHP?

You call that Irrelevant, I call it Foul!!!!! [/QUOTE]But you are starting to sound like the RIAA.
If you are sharing a mix online then your policy of sharing playlists is at your own volition. But to worry or theorize the morality or right/wrong of people not fully listening is a bit too much. Share the music and your presentation bro.

Leslie

10-07-2003, 09:23 AM

Okay so here we have it there is a PROTOCOL as to how one should listen to a mix and then request information regarding said mix.

Dolemite73

10-07-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
Okay so here we have it there is a PROTOCOL as to how one should listen to a mix and then request information regarding said mix. Exactly..... graemlins/stupid.gif

upliftdisco365

10-07-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
Okay so here we have it there is a PROTOCOL as to how one should listen to a mix and then request information regarding said mix. n.l.a.s.a.l.

Linedog

10-07-2003, 09:30 AM

marki

10-07-2003, 09:33 AM

U have got to be having a laff here. I myself have requested playlists, and by heck I have never thought that it would be a problem. Either someones going to give u a playlist or not. If I am unsure of something I'll ask. Plus listening to music in a club is a different experience to listening at work or listening in the car. U could'nt logistically ask a dj what every tune he/she was playing in a club was, in that environment u sometimes get fed up of it, but I am still happy to oblige until beers are been spilled all over my vinyl. But when putting together a mix tape hell yeah tell people what thay want to know, educate, promote, thats what we are here for.

Leslie

10-07-2003, 09:37 AM

Note to self - never ask Groove for a playlist.

Somedays this virtual place gives me very physical gas.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:41 AM

Some of yall get what I'm trying to say, and some have fallen off the cliff.

We all ask for track IDs, playlists, whether a record is available or not, etc.

I don't understand why people would cheat themselves by requesting a playlist prior to listening to a mix. Why ruin the surprise?

There are some of us out there that buy records becaue "Louie" played it over the weekend.

There are some of us out there that are to scared to purchase a record, then get on a message board asking "Hey, how is this record, is it cool for me to buy it?"

There are some of us out there that play what everyone else plays, and they get lost in the swamp of a billion DJs because they're not willing to take chances.

On the other hand, there are some of us out there that play what we feel, experiment with records, MIX records, blend records, ride records, purchase records without a care who likes it or not.

If I put up a mix full of new or exclusive stuff, I'm willing to give you the details, but not after 5 minutes of posting the initial Message of "I have a new mix online".

Peace

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 09:48 AM

We seem to to be running out of topics and just reaching for stuff to say....the end is near..... graemlins/bolt.gif

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:51 AM

Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!!

Red D

10-07-2003, 09:52 AM

Fail to see why asking a playlist 'ruins the surprise', if you know the track you won't be suprised and if you don't know the track then how can knowing its name spoil the surprise?
Yeah sure, you don't know when any given track is coming, but with the above in mind a mix with only tracks I know can only surprise me through the mixing skills with which it is brought into the mix, and then knowing or not knowing the playlist becomes irrelevant...
Hope y'all follow me because that was one hell of a sentence :D

RD

Red D

10-07-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!! Well then make a mix with tracks few people know, isn't that what it's about?

RD

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!! For the record Groove, I understand what you are saying...your deliver, however, need some work....stop wagging the finger at folks for doing it....you seemed to ask the question, but you don't really care about the answer....so why ask it....

Rewind and come again, mi selecta!!

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!! Well then make a mix with tracks few people know, isn't that what it's about?

RD [/QUOTE]No that's not what it's all about, especially with my mixes. I don't have the latest and greatest. My mixes are all about presentation, something that alot of mixes are missing. When I hear a mix by Ian Friday, or Master Kev, or Kim Lightfoot, these cats MIX, not throw on shit one after the other. Running two to three records at one time, jackin people's heads up.

Looking at a playlist with 12 rekkids on an 80 minute CD is not going to grab my attention because 9 out of 10 times, there's no "MIXIN" involved.

10-07-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
Okay so here we have it there is a PROTOCOL as to how one should listen to a mix and then request information regarding said mix. We don't see eye-to-eye very often, but I do agree with you on this one. ;)

Ken1015

10-07-2003, 10:01 AM

Groove, it sounds like you're being upset by something that is completely out of your control and I find it utterly ridiculous. This is one of the most picayune arguments I've seen here. If you don't want to look at a playlist before listening to a mix then fine. Don't do it. However, you should not get upset when someone does want to look at a playlist first. It's their prerogative to look first just as it's yours not to look and it doesn't affect you in any way. What makes your way the correct way? Now not only do I have to worry about the USA becoming a fascist state but also my beloved DHP. :(

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!! For the record Groove, I understand what you are saying...your deliver, however, need some work....stop wagging the finger at folks for doing it....you seemed to ask the question, but you don't really care about the answer....so why ask it....

Rewind and come again, mi selecta!! [/QUOTE]I respect that Ray, but the problem is I'm not getting many answers to a few simple questions. It's obvious why some of us ask for a playlist, but what about the ones who ask before listening? What's the motive behind that?

Peace

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
Fail to see why asking a playlist 'ruins the surprise',
RD it does ruin it....think about it.....it would be like standing over the dj at a party and knowing all the music he is gonna play before it is played and getting on the mike and saying "next up it's JayDees 'Plastic Dreams'"....makes for a boring party...hence a boring tape/cd/mix....

I like to listen first and then see the playlist.....honestly, when I see a playlist with all the records du jour, I tend not to listen...there is no surprise.....

On the flipside, not everybody has access to the music and playlist is a way of finding out what's being played....I see no problem if someone takes a djs entire playlist to the record store and buy everything on it.....how can you find fault with that?

[ October 07, 2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

10-07-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Do you judge a mix by its playlist or do you actully LISTEN to the mix?

Do you print the playlist and take it to your local record shop?

Starting next month when I start purchasing new shit, I'm not posting playlists anymore because I think some people are FOUL when it comes to listening to many mixes on various websites.

Who listens and who skims?

Peace So that we can steal all of your ideas and put them together for ourselves...cuz we are all http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Ken1015:
Groove, it sounds like you're being upset by something that is completely out of your control and I find it utterly ridiculous. This is one of the most picayune arguments I've seen here. If you don't want to look at a playlist before listening to a mix then fine. Don't do it. However, you should not get upset when someone does want to look at a playlist first. It's their prerogative to look first just as it's yours not to look and it doesn't affect you in any way. What makes your way the correct way? Now not only do I have to worry about the USA becoming a fascist state but also my beloved DHP. :( I'm not getting upset, but if you have something to showcase, let the masses listen first, then ask questions later. Don't ruin it "just yet".

kara

10-07-2003, 10:07 AM

since i'm not a dj, i ask to learn the name of tracks i dont know, and am interested in who made them

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken1015:
Groove, it sounds like you're being upset by something that is completely out of your control and I find it utterly ridiculous. This is one of the most picayune arguments I've seen here. If you don't want to look at a playlist before listening to a mix then fine. Don't do it. However, you should not get upset when someone does want to look at a playlist first. It's their prerogative to look first just as it's yours not to look and it doesn't affect you in any way. What makes your way the correct way? Now not only do I have to worry about the USA becoming a fascist state but also my beloved DHP. :( I'm not getting upset, but if you have something to showcase, let the masses listen first, then ask questions later. Don't ruin it "just yet". [/QUOTE]Groove, read his reply again...don't be so quick to reply....Ken has it dead on!!! If you want a discussion on this topic, instead of an all out "blast Groove Victim", then try another approach.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by kara:
since i'm not a dj, i ask to learn the name of tracks i dont know, and am interested in who made them Do you listen to the mix prior to asking for a playlist or an ID?

liL Ray

10-07-2003, 10:11 AM

Groove, back away from the computer...go fix a sandwich....eat it....burp...take a walk....and then you can resume..... graemlins/bolt.gif

kara

10-07-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kara:
since i'm not a dj, i ask to learn the name of tracks i dont know, and am interested in who made them Do you listen to the mix prior to asking for a playlist or an ID? [/QUOTE]usually, though i kind of like listening to something at work having it there so i can do the 'oh shit, this is hot, what is it?' and know right away thing

unless it's deesko, then i ask to give the labelmaker owner a hard time ;)

TAD

10-07-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Forget it, let us just go back to listening to boring ass predictable mixes.

Hey "Attend" is coming up next, I heard that shit too many times, I'll just skip over this track, and well he's playing, "I'm doing fine", so I'll skip over that one too, gosh I'm tire of that song, hmm never heard this new Louie record, I'll take a listen.............

Hey by the way, slammin Mix!!! Thanks for the playlist!!!! For the record Groove, I understand what you are saying...your deliver, however, need some work....stop wagging the finger at folks for doing it....you seemed to ask the question, but you don't really care about the answer....so why ask it....

Rewind and come again, mi selecta!! [/QUOTE]I respect that Ray, but the problem is I'm not getting many answers to a few simple questions. It's obvious why some of us ask for a playlist, but what about the ones who ask before listening? What's the motive behind that?

Peace [/QUOTE]maybe they want to decide whether they want to even bother listening to the mix, which is why i would usually post a playlist to try to entice people although that doesn't seem to work in my favour. :D

10-07-2003, 10:15 AM

TAD

10-07-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
I like to listen first and then see the playlist.....honestly, when I see a playlist with all the records du jour, I tend not to listen...there is no surprise.....well there you have it......but, what about presentation? a playlist only reveals part of the story

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:17 AM

True Ray and Ken, maybe it's a question of logic. Yes it is there perogative to do what ever they want when it comes to listening to a mix, but I have to ask the question of why?

I think that people have grabbed hold to the fact that a Mix CD and a mixing in a Club are two entirely different monsters. This is true in many cases, but what about some of us who want to look beyond this Belief.

I miss the "Jaw Drop" factor in the mixes of today. Listeing to Tony or Merlin on the radio, they would play or mix stuff that would have me buggin. Sometimes I would go back to my old mixtapes and listen to Merlin transition from "The Poem" to "Mainline", and rewind again and again. I miss the anticipation of a song coming in. This was my approach when I started making mixtapes back in '97. I would rarely put up playlists during that time but I was more than happy to give info about a track that I played.

I recall a few weeks ago when peeps were buggin over that Kim Lightfoot mix, then I got to listening to it, and of course, my Jaw Dropped!!!

Peace

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Groove, back away from the computer...go fix a sandwich....eat it....burp...take a walk....and then you can resume..... graemlins/bolt.gif I'm releasing stress, I just replaced an entire computer lab by myself, my ass is tired, in pain, all they had was some nasty ass Pizza for me to eat here.

:D

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
I like to listen first and then see the playlist.....honestly, when I see a playlist with all the records du jour, I tend not to listen...there is no surprise.....well there you have it......but, what about presentation? a playlist only reveals part of the story [/QUOTE]Exactly, there's a reason why most of my Mixed CDs contain 25 records as opposed to just 10.

Ken1015

10-07-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by liL Ray:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Red D:
Fail to see why asking a playlist 'ruins the surprise',
RD it does ruin it....think about it.....it would be like standing over the dj at a party and knowing all the music he is gonna play before it is played and getting on the mike and saying "next up it's JayDees 'Plastic Dreams'"....makes for a boring party...hence a boring tape/cd/mix....

I like to listen first and then see the playlist.....honestly, when I see a playlist with all the records du jour, I tend not to listen...there is no surprise.....

On the flipside, not everybody has access to the music and playlist is a way of finding out what's being played....I see no problem if someone takes a djs entire playlist to the record store and buy everything on it.....how can you find fault with that? [/QUOTE]I'm with Red D. I think this is a tired argument. If a DJ is playing music you like, you're gonna dance. Seeing the DJ pull it out of his stack and put it on the tables does not ruin the surprise. It just makes it come a little earlier. One could argue that it heightens the experience because it increases the level of anticipation. :D If you see a playlist that's not full of songs du jour would you listen to it? A mix full of songs du jour make for a boring experience, not knowing what song is coming next.

beaniboy67

10-07-2003, 10:27 AM

I will usually listen to a mix if it has a playlist or not but if i like a few of the tracks on the mix then i will defo ask for a playlist.i think this promotes record sales and gives ppl who are not 100% on labels/producers ect a chance to find a certain tune they like far more easier.

i posted a mix for the first time today and i posted a playlist because i wanted to give people an idea of what kinda vibe i played before they listened.I honestly thought no one would have listened to my mix if i hadnt posted a playlist due to the fact im unheard of.Hence i posted the playlist to let people decide whether they wanted to listen to my mix or not.People were intrested and some people even listened and gave me some decent feedback to keep me going.Maybe if i hadnt posted a playlist then no one would have listened to my mix.I would then have done nothing for record sales and nothing for promoting the music i love. i think by posting the playlist it let new ppl hear me DJ thu promoted those records and gave me feedback to make me a better DJ.

[ October 07, 2003, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: beaniboy67 ]

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Ken1015:
If a DJ is playing music you like, you're gonna dance. Seeing the DJ pull it out of his stack and put it on the tables does not ruin the surprise. It just makes it come a little earlier. [/QB][/QUOTE]

HUH?

If you know what's coming up next, then it's not a surprise.

Cheddar

10-07-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken1015:
If a DJ is playing music you like, you're gonna dance. Seeing the DJ pull it out of his stack and put it on the tables does not ruin the surprise. It just makes it come a little earlier. [/QUOTE]HUH?

If you know what's coming up next, then it's not a surprise. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Also Groove, your perspective is clearly one of a DJ. This eagerness you have to be amazed by some skills is only shared by a few (I agree with you, just you are playing baseball on a basketball court w/ this thread).

Ronnie Ron

10-07-2003, 10:38 AM

I look at it this way,

the more you dig and come up with unique tracks & Vocals (Not all) but some, folks are not gonna know what it is anyway, its when you play what everyone else is playin you run into that problem. I always give out the track listing its a way of folks knowing what i played and gives them the opportunity to purchase it or at least know who it was for future reference.

If i clicked on a thread and every single track on this playlist i knew what it was (thats if its not a classic or disco mix) i probably wouldnt listen to it, If its not a Disco or Classic mix set, i want to listen to some things i havent heard especially if its slammin smile.gif .

R-R

Ken1015

10-07-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken1015:
If a DJ is playing music you like, you're gonna dance. Seeing the DJ pull it out of his stack and put it on the tables does not ruin the surprise. It just makes it come a little earlier. [/QUOTE]HUH?

If you know what's coming up next, then it's not a surprise. [/QB][/QUOTE]
It is a surprise because you didn't know what the person was going to pull before they pulled it.

julian_kelly

10-07-2003, 10:40 AM

True...there are sooo many mixes out there to listen to and there are many styles that I do not like. A playlist can tell me whether I give it the time of day or not.

Also, since some jocks always mix the same records that everybody else mixes, if I see that you are mixin stuff that I always hear, I can pass over that mix it in favor of a mix where I dont know any of the tunes - given Im in the mood to hear unfamiliar tunes.

Wanting to know the name of a tune after immediately hearing it on a mixtape is the same as hearing a hot tune in the club...in the club you run straight to the booth...it the adrenaline rush of having to know what it is....its the same concept of immediately asking for a mixtape song id.

Sometimes I want a playlist first...sometimes I dont. Theres nothing wrong with looking at a playlist before you hear the mix. Who Cares

julian kelly

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
maybe they want to decide whether they want to even bother listening to the mix, which is why i would usually post a playlist to try to entice people although that doesn't seem to work in my favour. :D

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by 1343:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken1015:
If a DJ is playing music you like, you're gonna dance. Seeing the DJ pull it out of his stack and put it on the tables does not ruin the surprise. It just makes it come a little earlier. [/QUOTE]HUH?

If you know what's coming up next, then it's not a surprise. [/QUOTE]Also Groove, your perspective is clearly one of a DJ. This eagerness you have to be amazed by some skills is only shared by a few (I agree with you, just you are playing baseball on a basketball court w/ this thread). [/QB][/QUOTE]

My perspective is also derived from years of being a listener, and I agree that most of us aren't interested in the Skill Factor.

At the same time, how do we get listeners and dancers to understand the skill factor of a mix or a DJ set?

[ October 07, 2003, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

Bill Blake

10-07-2003, 10:52 AM

Im way too Lazy to do play lists (just ask Leslie) but since Im like wanna the hottest mixed CD makers out there, I feel obligated to always give a track ID when requested (and man thats like all the time cause I got the hot shit).

Since I rarely listen to other people shit seeing as how rarely does it compare to my own super powers of mixed CD making, if and when I do, and let me tell you that is a real big if, I just email or bug the DJ until I get the track ID in the same fashion.

I mean afterall, all Im gonna do is put it in one of my mixes eventually and make sound better than the way they use it, but then they know that dont they?

By the way Cheddi's latest mix is bangin....Play list please.

TAD

10-07-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Im way too Lazy to do play lists (just ask Leslie) but since Im like wanna the hottest mixed CD makers out there, I feel obligated to always give a track ID when requested (and man thats like all the time cause I got the hot shit).

Since I rarely listen to other people shit seeing as how rarely does it compare to my own super powers of mixed CD making, if and when I do, and let me tell you that is a real big if, I just email or bug the DJ until I get the track ID in the same fashion.

I mean afterall, all Im gonna do is put it in one of my mixes eventually and make sound better than the way they use it, but then they know that dont they?

By the way Cheddi's latest mix is bangin....Play list please. hahahahaha....damixmaster has spoken

Cheddar

10-07-2003, 11:23 AM

DJ Keith Porter

10-07-2003, 12:01 PM

Well to tell you the truth I could care less if there is a playlist. But thats just me.

I listen to mixes on this site everyday from start to finish unless yo shIIt is really wack! Then I wish I had the power to physically throw it out the window while I'm driving down the internet highway.

There are many of you out there that Im feeling but, I don't check the for a play list. I keep that tune in my head and someday I'll hear it or purchase it.

I like to think that evey record has its time and when I don't have something I do with out it. I just enjoy the music. But thats just me.

One of my last mixes on this board didn't have a play list and I was getting swarmed with e-mails for a track list.

The many times I make Mixed CD's I never make a playlist or even track the friggin CD. I just stand there grab records and continue to zone.

After I'm done Im not trying to go back a find all the stuff I played old, new, rare etc..

To keep it real. A lot of shit I have I don't even know the name of it. I identify a large percentage of my records my lable/jacket colors and the last place I saw it.

For those who can't get the songs as easy as some of us (DJ' etc.) I apologize for my lack of infomation.

All I can say is that the next time I send A mix CD to the page I'll make sure to send a playlist and track the CD.
I wouldn't want anybody to be left out of having a chance oo getting the music they like.

I do really believe in sharing this music 4real!

graemlins/acclaim.gif JM2C!

jimmymack-2000

10-07-2003, 12:11 PM

Doesn't anyone ever look at a playlist, see an improbable mix, then go "Oh damn, I gotta hear how he/she pulled THAT one off!"?

Jamie 3:26

10-07-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Doesn't anyone ever look at a playlist, see an improbable mix, then go "Oh damn, I gotta hear how he/she pulled THAT one off!"? I just listen first.I like it that way.Sometimes I can not come to the board,so I just see a new mix and I click play and get to work.

GROOVE VICTIM

10-07-2003, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Doesn't anyone ever look at a playlist, see an improbable mix, then go "Oh damn, I gotta hear how he/she pulled THAT one off!"? Not really, because most mixes I hear on various sites are to safe.

sammyrock

10-07-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think you would appreciate a mix much more when you have no clue what's coming up next.

It happens all the time in the clubs, so why not have the same affect when listening at home or in your car?

Peace Groove I agree with some of your opinions on this,Im notorious or just plain lazy to post playlist.For one reason is that I feel if I post the playlist first the peeps would not listen to the set,so I do understand that point.Id rather the person listen first,then after a few days post the list if I get enough request to post a playlist.Plus no one listens to my shit anyway..lol "Keep pumpin those tunes brotha and dont sweat the playlist" Listen peeps,its very gratifiying.Then request a playlist.Thats my half-cent. smile.gif

Hippie

10-07-2003, 05:30 PM

Anticipation is a strong emotion. I remember when I use to do crossover mixes in the 70's I would turn off the monitors just so no one would know what record I was bringing in. The Dj's would wonder what and how I was able to mix without the monitors on. And as for a playlist I provide them because I believe not everyone is familiar with every classic or new record. I've had both Francois and Danny Krivitt ask me for songs and I have done the same to them and other jocks. SO don't be afraid of giving them out. It's better to share and expand our music than to keep it to ourselves and eventually it dies.

[ October 07, 2003, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

DJ Keith Porter

10-07-2003, 05:45 PM

Just to add:

I hope Ididn't come off as I was scared to give a play list.

Like Uplift said "Just because you have my play list doesn't mean you'll play it the same way".
Sharing is a must for us house people.

Again I really apologize for any Mixes I have on this board with no play list.

PS.
This is not directed at you Hippe. I am just adding to my reply. I just realized the mention of being "scared of giving a play list" was said more than once..

Don't be Scared! Share the music Please!
Exposure to this music is what we need!!
Ok My three cents! :D

Ron la Rock

10-08-2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I think you would appreciate a mix much more when you have no clue what's coming up next.

It happens all the time in the clubs, so why not have the same affect when listening at home or in your car?

Peace Ahh but it doesn't mean i'll apreciate more it could bore me 2 tears espec mxes wth a lot of I or any listeners may not be into like some mixes (no pun) on the site have a lot of cuts i'm not feelin so i won't bother with that mix (wether I dig the dj or not) a lot of times
a mix with a playlist of unfamilar tunes I'll check 2 see if theres something bangin in there

me 2 cents

2nd_bros

10-09-2003, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
What happen to the "Ohh shit" factor in our mixes?
yo groove i love that factor but about those record buyers .. you can't deny that louie is breaking records big time .. so do timmy and many others.

i'm used to listen a mix and then have the playlist right beside me but i'm not so keen to stare it all the way down. but i like to know when i hear a tune .. what is it?

and mostly all your thoughts make sense!

peace

bro from estonia