O.K DJ 'S WHAT TURNTABLES

[Rodney Ransom]

do you prefer. I Iv'e been thinking about some of the other brands. Numark, Vestax , I know the chances of me finding some thorens (excuse the spelling) are nearly impossible. So DHP HEADZ
which one's do you perfer. Keep in mind that NUMARK
or VESTAX have added this feature where if you press the 33 speed and 45 speed at the same time you can actually play 78's. Cool for old traditional jazz and classical lovers..... :D

[ November 16, 2003, 03:14 AM: Message edited by: RodneyRansom ]

[nev m]

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
do you prefer. I Iv'e been thinking about some of the other brands. Numark, Vestax , I know the chances of me finding some thorens (excuse the spelling) are nearly impossible. So DHP HEADZ
which one's do you perfer. Keep in mind that NUMARK
or VESTAX have added this feature where if you press the 33 speed and 45 speed at the same time you can actually play 78's. Cool for old traditional jazz and classical lovers..... :D I've spent so long with Technics now I can't see myself with anything else. I'm not saying they're the best, but more I'm a creature of habit.

Currently got Mk 3s I love 'em!

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by nev m:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
do you prefer. I Iv'e been thinking about some of the other brands. Numark, Vestax , I know the chances of me finding some thorens (excuse the spelling) are nearly impossible. So DHP HEADZ
which one's do you perfer. Keep in mind that NUMARK
or VESTAX have added this feature where if you press the 33 speed and 45 speed at the same time you can actually play 78's. Cool for old traditional jazz and classical lovers..... :D I've spent so long with Technics now I can't see myself with anything else. I'm not saying they're the best, but more I'm a creature of habit.

Currently got Mk 3s I love 'em! </font>[/QUOTE]That's cool but roughly how much are talking a piece?

[mdpm99]

Greetings Rodney:

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/

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[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Greetings Rodney:

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/

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d good morning David :D

[nev m]

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
do you prefer. I Iv'e been thinking about some of the other brands. Numark, Vestax , I know the chances of me finding some thorens (excuse the spelling) are nearly impossible. So DHP HEADZ
which one's do you perfer. Keep in mind that NUMARK
or VESTAX have added this feature where if you press the 33 speed and 45 speed at the same time you can actually play 78's. Cool for old traditional jazz and classical lovers..... :D I've spent so long with Technics now I can't see myself with anything else. I'm not saying they're the best, but more I'm a creature of habit.

Currently got Mk 3s I love 'em! </font>[/QUOTE]That's cool but roughly how much are talking a piece? </font>[/QUOTE]About £390.00 per wheel.

[JMJ]

I'll stick with my Technics......JMJ smile.gif

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

Originally posted by JMJ:
I'll stick with my Technics......JMJ smile.gif Here, here!!!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[DJ George Bates]

I also prefer the technics 1200 ...i have the mk2's.....

[beaniboy67]

i used to have vestax pdx 2000s but i now own technics 1200s mk2s.

to be honest i think the vestax tables are better but that is only my opinion.

a lot of ppl on here will say otherwise but i think the vestax tables are comfier to use and the torque is far better too.

dont get me wrong i am now getting more used to the 1200s now and the main reason i bought them was to prepare me for when i start playing gigs. it pretty much standard issue to be faced with 1200s so i felt it better to get the feel for them, but it has taken me a while to get used to the different in mechanics between the 2 types of tables.

i have played the guitar for years and changing from one type to another is easy.i defo dont feel the same about changing between different brands of tables.

peace smile.gif

[ November 16, 2003, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: beaniboy67 ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
do you prefer. I Iv'e been thinking about some of the other brands. Numark, Vestax , I know the chances of me finding some thorens (excuse the spelling) are nearly impossible. So DHP HEADZ
which one's do you perfer. Keep in mind that NUMARK
or VESTAX have added this feature where if you press the 33 speed and 45 speed at the same time you can actually play 78's. Cool for old traditional jazz and classical lovers..... :D I believe the newest Technics models also play 78s.

Honestly, there are better TTs out there (the Numark one is really nice).

HOWEVER, since every club and bar has Techs. . .why get used to the feel of another brand? I say stick with the industry standard, which has served us well for a long time.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

The Thorens arent hard to find, but getting good tonearms for them is. I like the Vestax, and now there is an upgrade you can buy for them. They are what I use right now. The 1200's need shop repair badly. I believe that Satellite has the Numarks in their listening stations, but I wasnt too impressed by them. Stanton makes some Digital ones, which means they could be hooked to the line-in as opposed to the phono inputs. But I hear they arent that good. Orion's answer is probably the right one. Good Luck

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

what about the Technics-1100's??

I played on them once and actually like 'em..

heavy machinery...

I know Cosmic twin is a big fan of them.....

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
what about the Technics-1100's??

I played on them once and actually like 'em..

heavy machinery...

I know Cosmic twin is a big fan of them..... They are nice but they are huge..You also have to get used to the pitch which is(+) to the left and (-) to the right..

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
what about the Technics-1100's??

I played on them once and actually like 'em..

heavy machinery...

I know Cosmic twin is a big fan of them..... I did a post recently re the 1100s. I picked up two in Japan had them refurbished and modified them with Koestu tone arms and shell + Koestu cartridge.

Because the moving coils transmit so much musical energy I also put the suspension tables see http://theloftnyc.com/isolationvibration.html underneath them to protect from any chance of feedback.

The 1100s are actually a "higher end" Ttable whereas the 1200s made more for abuse.

I am told that underneath the platter (1200s) that if you remove that plastic dish, that this will improve the table against feedback. I am researching this out to make absolutely sure. However if anyone can support this than please verify.

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[ November 16, 2003, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
what about the Technics-1100's??

I played on them once and actually like 'em..

heavy machinery...

I know Cosmic twin is a big fan of them..... I did a post recently re the 1100's. I picked up two in Japan had them referbished and modified them with Koestu tone arms and shell + Koestu carthridge.

Because the mov coils transmit so much energy I also put the suspension tables (see http://theloftnyc.com/isolationvibration.html) underneath them to protect any chance of feedback.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Dave that link isnt working...How much were the tables if you dont mind my asking.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
what about the Technics-1100's??

I played on them once and actually like 'em..

heavy machinery...

I know Cosmic twin is a big fan of them..... I did a post recently re the 1100's. I picked up two in Japan had them referbished and modified them with Koestu tone arms and shell + Koestu carthridge.

Because the mov coils transmit so much energy I also put the suspension tables (see http://theloftnyc.com/isolationvibration.html) underneath them to protect any chance of feedback.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Dave that link isnt working...How much were the tables if you dont mind my asking. </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Timmy:

Link is working now....

http://theloftnyc.com/isolationvibration.html

I got them thru a friend for $300 each totally refurbished. This is without tone arms.

d

u got me b-4 I backtracked and did spell check :D

[ November 16, 2003, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[E-Double]

I own a pair Technics M5G's and a pair of Numark TTX1's. The Numarks are cool for all the extra features: interchangeable tonearm,+10,+20 or +50 pitch with a master key function, 33, 45 & 78 rpm option, quartz lock, bpm readout, customizeable start/stop speed, reverse function, detachable light, analog or digital out, and my favorite-detachable rca(no ground wire...YAAAAH!!!) and power cord. It's a good turntable. I still love my 1200's but I gotta say Numark really came through with theses new decks.

[Hendy]

I have a set of Vestax PDX 2000 and if you asked me to swap for a set Technics I would say NO.

I love the vestax Turn-Table I always feel in control with them.

[Prince HiFi]

Here's a related technical question for David Mancuso:

David, I understand that your playback setup does not use a mixer to combine audio from your two turntables. How do the two turntables or preamps connect to the amplifier? Separate inputs on the amplifier that must be manually switched? Passive summing at the amplifier input? I would like to see a Loft Audio Paper on your website about how you set up your turntables and preamps leading to the power amplifier.

Thanks,

Prince HiFi

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[houseaddict]

Just stick with 12's. They are tanks!! You should be able to find some at pawn shops for less than retail....somewhere in the $275-$325 vicinity.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Prince HiFi:
Here's a related technical question for David Mancuso:

David, I understand that your playback setup does not use a mixer to combine audio from your two turntables. How do the two turntables or preamps connect to the amplifier? Separate inputs on the amplifier that must be manually switched? Passive summing at the amplifier input? I would like to see a Loft Audio Paper on your website about how you set up your turntables and preamps leading to the power amplifier.

Thanks,

Prince HiFi

graemlins/beerchug.gif Greetings:

Keep in mind that only when the path is pure class A all the way thru then I will not use a mixer as it degrades the signal and is also a "electronic conflict." This is true no matter what you use.

It seems that a "full circle" was made from when we use to (b-4 mixers) go from Phono 1 too Phono 2 on the pre-amp.

You can actually develop a "flow" with this method. The musical quality of the sound i.e. "intensity of the moment" can and will carry the day.

Please let know if I was not clear with my response in any way.

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Ttables into pre-amp -- output line goes to dividing network -- then to amps ..except side channels where it goes thru 2 mono delays and then to amps .....and then to speakers which have passive x-overs which eliminates a lot of unnecessary electronics. A very simple arrangement.

[ November 17, 2003, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[imported_Chr_stopher]

personally, i have gotten used to techniques

[The Buddy Love Show]

David

this is off topic but after seeing pic of you and Alex Roner i thought it was amusing how the world turns.

I've met and worked with Mr rosner twice and his son Ben and I were in the same homeroom during HS

peace

[MusicFilter]

Techniques without a doubt!

Who the hell plays music at 78?
And why would you need a turntable that plays backwards?

Lately if I bring out the heavy artilary (1200s)I'm getting paid my asking price.

I record to CD with the 1200s but play with CDs they weigh less and easier to move.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
David

this is off topic but after seeing pic of you and Alex Roner i thought it was amusing how the world turns.

I've met and worked with Mr rosner twice and his son Ben and I were in the same homeroom during HS

peace You both must have had very good teachers as both of you are doing well!

Amazing.....how the world really is "just a small town."

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[Barrie Moodswing]

I have to go with my 1200's, I've used other turntables and to be honest I have found them easier to control than my 1200's, the one thing I would say is that if you can use the Technics 1200/1210 mk2 then you can use just about any other turntable that you come across.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Si Bump]

technics 1200's are in the design museum here in the UK and I think thats says a fair amount.

I've had mine for 13 or 14 years I think now and only had to replace the speed control on one of them. they've taken some fairly serious abuse and stuck with me all this time, so I'm happy to return the love : )

can't think of anything mass produced that would last that amount of time for zero maintenance these days.

they don't sound as good as some other turntables, but they do the job they were made for extremely well.

I have a pair of vestax pdx 2000's as I thought it would be worth getting to know them and I just do not like them. they feel all wrong, made of plastic.

I'd put money on all the newcomers like numark etc not lasting half as long as a technic's deck.

cheers, simon

http://www.whistlebump.co.uk

[mdpm99]

"they don't sound as good as some other turntables, but they do the job they were made for extremely well."

----SiBump

You can make them sound better with modifications.

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[mdpm99]

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[Si Bump]

what are the mods to improve sound on the technics 1200's? different tone arm? what would you recommend?

I was looking into these http://www.tonearm.co.uk/
but there was no useful response from the distributors as to performance, tracking force etc


cheers, simon

http://www.whistlebump.co.uk

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Speaking of sound from TT's..I truly belive the Vstax sound better than 1200's..They also seem to have a belt drive feel to them.

[Prince HiFi]

If you want better sound then don't use the phono preamps built into your dj mixer. Get two decent external phono preamps to convert the signal coming from your TTs to line level signals and then send the line level signals to your dj mixer. You wouldn't believe the sound improvement that can be gained by not using the cheapo phono preamps in almost every dj mixer. Getting two matching quality used hi-fi preamplifiers is a lot cheaper than new turntables and actually addresses this sonic bottleneck.

Prince HiFi

[Si Bump]

yep agree about the pre-amps - any particular brand or model you recommend?

cheers, simon

http://www.whistlebump.co.uk

[beaniboy67]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
Speaking of sound from TT's..I truly belive the Vstax sound better than 1200's..They also seem to have a belt drive feel to them. yeh timmy i had a set of pdx200s myself until recently but i actually swapped them for a set of 1200s.i had never really used the 1200s cos i have not been spinning long.although the vestax are more plastic looking they are defo better tables i feel.if i new that all clubs and bars were gonna install vestax tables the 1200s would be sold sharpish.i only swapped them because every time i tried to use my friends 1200s i was struggling to get my beats perfect and didnt wanna be faced with a set in a bar or club situation having never used them.

really nice tables the vestax tho and i could usually just slide my pitch up and down to find my beats when cueing in my phones without hardly touching the record.I defo think the torque is awesome on the vestax.Then again maybe i was just used to them tables and now its taking me a while to get used to the 1200s.


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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Prince HiFi:
If you want better sound then don't use the phono preamps built into your dj mixer. Get two decent external phono preamps to convert the signal coming from your TTs to line level signals and then send the line level signals to your dj mixer. You wouldn't believe the sound improvement that can be gained by not using the cheapo phono preamps in almost every dj mixer. Getting two matching quality used hi-fi preamplifiers is a lot cheaper than new turntables and actually addresses this sonic bottleneck.

Prince HiFi Greetings Prince:

You are a blessing! I hope that folks will take heed in your effort to share information.

Much graemlins/respekt.gif too you!

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Si Bump:
what are the mods to improve sound on the technics 1200's? different tone arm? what would you recommend?

I was looking into these http://www.tonearm.co.uk/
but there was no useful response from the distributors as to performance, tracking force etc


cheers, simon

wiring/tonearm

d

+ take note of Prince Hi Fi post

http://www.whistlebump.co.uk