Is the word "HOUSE" outdated?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JMNYC:


"House" as a label has so many stereotypes and associations that work against it, it seems easier to get people into it when they don't know it's "house". Especially since everybody knows house is gay, black, poor, druggie music... :rolleyes: I use the above quote because it stimulated my thinking to ask the question of the topic.

IS THE WORD "HOUSE" OUTDATED AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DESCRIPTION OF MUSIC OR WHAT AVERAGE PEOPLE THINK IT IS? SHOULD WE RETIRE THE WORD?

Now, Chicago folks, don't get all up in arms, I still appreciate what you have given the world, but even y'all agree that the word doesn't ressemble what the sound was.

What do you think? Discuss.....

....liL Ray

[Martin Red]

Ray man get with it man, all the young Trancey hardhouse hipsters are making it cool again, all you have to do is put a word in front, like funky tech deep hard

This week i'm gonna call it Everglade house (cus it's wet)

The week after dripping gash house (just sprung to mind)

The week after that showed Scrotal House graemlins/grinyes.gif

Kinda keeps it fresh and keeps the young un's interested as it's so fffresh !

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[Jacques de Doozu]

The week after that showed Scrotal House
martin you have a serious fetish graemlins/grinyes.gif
seriously, do you think it's necessary to rename something to give it a broader appeal. words and their connotations evolve i guess...

[ May 02, 2003, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: Tom D ]

[ramar]

some have said Jazz should be named Dazz to appeal to housewives ;)

[ May 02, 2003, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: ramar ]

[liL Ray]

I know it's freaky friday but I really wanted to get a serious discussion on this.

[The Donger]

Well...

House was music played in a club called "The Warehouse", much like Garage was music played at the "Paradise Garage".

So yes, this shit has nothing to do with House.

Let's start to call it ElectroNegroClash and start making some $$$ off this shit.

[Ken1015]

Hell yeah "house" as a descriptor is outdated. I don't like the word and had dropped it from my vocabulary until I came to this site. Labels in general constrain music. I've read many articles on some of the jazz greats like Dizzy Gillespie and others who didn't like the term "jazz."

"House" conjures up the specific images JMNYC mentions and I mostly use the term "NY Underground" which is a broader term that people don't understand thereby giving me the opportunity to define the music as I want. I also like "underground" because "underground" is always new and it actually has positive connotations since most people like to think they're up on something that nobody else is.

[O'love]

i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;)

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) we call it polka... :D

[The Donger]

Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) You play Hip-Hop?

[Nege]

Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) you Play Gangsta House ?
or Thug House?

[lyot]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) You play Hip-Hop? </font>[/QUOTE]hiphop ain't making the girlies scream overhere..

[Jamie 3:26]

House is a played out,mis-used,misguided term.I use the term....Good Music.

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) You play Hip-Hop? </font>[/QUOTE]hiphop ain't making the girlies scream overhere.. </font>[/QUOTE]14 year olds maybe? 'don't you have that jennifer lopez song'....no :D

[Drrtynewyork]

Im Still proud to call it by its real name "HOUSE MUSIC". **** all the stereotypes. This is the music i grew up with as well as hiphop. Calling it by any other name would mean im ashamed of the music i love and still play.

"not everybody understands house music" graemlins/respekt.gif

[Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge]

Originally posted by liL Ray:

Now, Chicago folks, don't get all up in arms, I still appreciate what you have given the world, but even y'all agree that the word doesn't ressemble what the sound was.


....liL Ray Dammit, lil Ray! As a Chicagoan, I resemble... I mean I resent that remark!

But I do have to agree. It's more of a reference as to a type of music as opposed to an all-encompassing description.

Shit, gospel ended up being called blues, then jazz, then rock, soul...

Bottomline, it's all sweet Music.

[D J 1 3 8]

Let's return to using the word HIP HOUSE :D

[Woody Rosen]

When people ask me what I spin I usually just say Disco.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
House is a played out,mis-used,misguided term.I use the term....Good Music. Me and Efab got involved in a debate on a UK board, someone pointed out that if we didn't have all these spurious terms how would we describe it. mad1.gif


I pointed out that my main reason I buy music isn't to talk about it, I buy it to play it.

2 types of music !
good and bad, or,
music you like and music you don't like.

[ May 02, 2003, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[AD]

Yes, it's outdated and I feel we should call it Gabber, or something along that nature. graemlins/rofl.gif

[ May 05, 2003, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: Albert D. ]

[David Le C]

Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
i don't play house anymore, just "music that makes the girlies dance and scream" ;) You play Hip-Hop? </font>[/QUOTE]hiphop ain't making the girlies scream overhere.. </font>[/QUOTE]Ragga does...

[Tee Cee 13]

Hi lil Ray,
I guess we can call it whatever we want to, at this point because the music we bring forth is "Underground" anyway. This is an interesting topic Lil Ray, and some what sensitive. We just have to be a bit more creative. And maybe give it a nice new name.. But yes we can give a new name I must agree with you on that Lil Ray... Maybe you should start that new THREAD Re-nameing HOUSE "any suggestions"...

[El Mayimbe]

The term HOUSE is essential to refer to our music so as not to disrespect the pioneers who came before us.

& not for nothing all these different genres of house:
Trance, Progressive, Gabber etc., all ready goes by those name and as much as some people cringe at the very association of these groups they are all still from the main tree of HOUSE MUSIC.

Besides, we're automatically categorized as ELECTRONICA anyways. :rolleyes: & why? because you cant market this music which was developed by clubgoing Blacks, Gays & Latinos.

Dont forget how this racist country really is when it comes to this music........ July 12, 1979, COMINSKY PARK CHICAGO

[Jamie 3:26]

El...it's Comiskey Park.I fel ya on ya point also.I'm just a closeted Sox fan. :D

[RX]

IF YOU MENTION "HOUSE" TO ANYONE NOT IN THE KNOW, THEY ARE SURE TO ENVISION SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE KNOW IT TO BE...often times, it leaves us too frustrated to teach...however, if we care, we should be willing to change their perceptions on true house...the name's not the problem - the lack of enthusiam and willingness to teach in those who know what true house is is the culprit...

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
El...it's Comiskey Park.I fel ya on ya point also.I'm just a closeted Sox fan. :D AS IF IT REALLY MATTERED. THE NAME:
YANKEE STADIUM is all i'm concerned about. hail.gif 22-6! BEOTCH! ;)

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
El...it's Comiskey Park.I fel ya on ya point also.I'm just a closeted Sox fan. :D AS IF IT REALLY MATTERED. THE NAME:
YANKEE STADIUM is all i'm concerned about. hail.gif 22-6! BEOTCH! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]See I ain't all into this sports shit like that....but you are a beyyyyotch too. graemlins/rofl.gif

[El Mayimbe]

lol!, luv ya 2 bro, I know I know but its the only good sports team NYC has right now with the Knicks disappointing me ONCE AGAIN!

But going back to the main topic, i wanted to also add that the very notion of not calling our music HOUSE also confuses the general audiences henceforth we to blame as well.

[DJ CHRIS PURTELL]

Makithot graemlins/acclaim.gif

[P-Flipp]

soulful dance music to me is probably the most apt term to describe House.However at this stage dropping the tag house is akin to changing the name your momma gave you.Like the words Disco,Funk and Rap,House is here to stay.

[Shalewa]

Well DHP convinced me long ago that I was not a devotee of House per se, but that's another day's drama...

Seriously though, I think that while the music covered by the term is so varied in style, content, and concept that "House" as a designator is rendered meaningless on many levels, it is here to stay. Folks who care about the majority of music discussed here use the modifiers Deep, Underground or Soulful in front of the word as clarification anyway.

[Tee Cee 13]

I really don't think that the term House or House music is out dated like alot of the DHP family stated. House Music is here to stay.... However the sound did change dramatically, and sure why not start a new trend. It would be perfect... House music will always be House music no matter what form, shape or fashion.. I kinda see where Lil Ray is coming from here. We have new sound so why not give it a new name huh! I'm all for that Ladies and gentlemen... graemlins/acclaim.gif

[the 18th letter]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
The term HOUSE is essential to refer to our music so as not to disrespect the pioneers who came before us.

& not for nothing all these different genres of house:
Trance, Progressive, Gabber etc., all ready goes by those name and as much as some people cringe at the very association of these groups they are all still from the main tree of HOUSE MUSIC.

Besides, we're automatically categorized as ELECTRONICA anyways. :rolleyes: & why? because you cant market this music which was developed by clubgoing Blacks, Gays & Latinos.

Dont forget how this racist country really is when it comes to this music........ July 12, 1979, COMINSKY PARK CHICAGO I think the term HOUSE music is outdated. No disrespect to all the pioneers, but HOUSE was a stage in the evolution of dance music. As was disco, which evolved from something. I ain't but farty and don't know what was crackin before disco in the clubs, maybe it was juke music. :D
HOUSE will ALWAYS be associated with Chi town for me, which ain't a bad ting, and let me take a moment to thank all the pioneers for their contribution to the addiction of my life MUSIC!!

[Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
Well DHP convinced me long ago that I was not a devotee of House per se, but that's another day's drama...

Seriously though, I think that while the music covered by the term is so varied in style, content, and concept that "House" as a designator is rendered meaningless on many levels, it is here to stay. Folks who care about the majority of music discussed here use the modifiers Deep, Underground or Soulful in front of the word as clarification anyway. And when the smoke clears: Its all about house music, i wont let it DIE you'd have to kill me to stop it son.
HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSEHOUSEhousehousehousehousehousehousehouse MUsic will never die, yall can fake the funk if ya want to, I will house you to death. And ya know what It will always be considered house music, every one in this thread please do me a fava get over it HOUSE MUSIC WILL NEVER DIE, ask my girl Co Co Puff, she'll tell you. But one on a seriuos note stop detroying one of the only true forms of black music thats left to us, the MAN has tried to destroy Hip Hop, lets not let him take house. graemlins/respekt.gif

[M-TRAXXX]

graemlins/cool_shades.gif I'll stick w/ 'HOUSE MUSIC'. All thee wannabe's
could call it what ever sells thee most for them.
Flava of thee week...whatever... :rolleyes:

M-TRAXXX.

ps...yo Ray, tell Mike I say wassup")

[Kemi J]

Fact: George Eastman, a very astute business man, chose the name kodak because, though it means nothing, it is very easy to pronounce in every language. The same sharpness can be seen in the folks at Coca-cola, whose product name is gold in an international market. Thus it is with house. Everybody in the world takes english in grade school. The first word one learns in any language is the word for "House". One syllable, easy to pronounce, anyone who has had an hour of english in school knows it. That is why it will always be house, and not garage, which is already complicated and very difficult for lots of languages to pronounces. (brits and americans can't even agree on the pronunciation). House is fun to say, that is why lots of stuff that isn't house sells itself under that name. Good business sense, like Coca-cola and kodak.

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Hippokleides doesn't care...

[the 18th letter]

Originally posted by Kemi J:
Fact: George Eastman, a very astute business man, chose the name kodak because, though it means nothing, it is very easy to pronounce in every language. The same sharpness can be seen in the folks at Coca-cola, whose product name is gold in an international market. Thus it is with house. Everybody in the world takes english in grade school. The first word one learns in any language is the word for "House". One syllable, easy to pronounce, anyone who has had an hour of english in school knows it. That is why it will always be house, and not garage, which is already complicated and very difficult for lots of languages to pronounces. (brits and americans can't even agree on the pronunciation). House is fun to say, that is why lots of stuff that isn't house sells itself under that name. Good business sense, like Coca-cola and kodak.

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Hippokleides doesn't care... I guess it's a good thing then that the Warehouse wasn't called the Basement. Luke woulda been pissed biggrinangel.gif

[Shalewa]

Originally posted by Kemi J:
Fact: George Eastman, a very astute business man, chose the name kodak because, though it means nothing, it is very easy to pronounce in every language. The same sharpness can be seen in the folks at Coca-cola, whose product name is gold in an international market. Thus it is with house. Everybody in the world takes english in grade school. The first word one learns in any language is the word for "House". One syllable, easy to pronounce, anyone who has had an hour of english in school knows it. That is why it will always be house, and not garage, which is already complicated and very difficult for lots of languages to pronounces. (brits and americans can't even agree on the pronunciation). House is fun to say, that is why lots of stuff that isn't house sells itself under that name. Good business sense, like Coca-cola and kodak.

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Hippokleides doesn't care... Tell that to the folks at Xerox or Kleenex. Those brands battled against the generalizing of their names because they didn't want to go out like the people who owned the name Aspirin, which was once upon a time a brand name and not a generic designator for a particular non-prescription pain reliever. House won't go away as the name for a lot of music and cultural experience because its use is pervasive. That said House doesn't mean what it one time did and as much as folks hate all the extra modifiers that get attached they are useful for communicating what House is your home...

GU,
I know CoCo Puff and she ain't house either. graemlins/tongueout.gif

[ May 03, 2003, 07:02 AM: Message edited by: Shalewa ]

[liL Ray]

Great discussion......

couple things:

Glenn, I never said anything about it being dead, I think it's far from that....and I love the real shit!!

That Kodak analogy was great....

....thanks for the inputs...keep it going.

[Conrad of TIS]

Lil Ray,

To me, house is only one aspect of the DANCE Music we love. I have been dancing for over 25 years in the various legendary clubs and HOUSE is a new term to ME. I call this art form Soulful DANCE Music. I choose to call it such because I recently found that when describing HOUSE to a wider audience they often would have a different interpertation then I thought they would. They often think that it is progressive, techno or freestyle kind of music.

When I say Soulful DANCE Music they automatically get the flavor of the music. A clear description is good for the intergity and identity of an art form. The clear description is also a necessary tool to best market the art form as well. More effective marketing is essential to the preservation and growth of " Soulful DANCE Music ". We are now in a new age and sometimes you must change certain things in order to stay the same. Us old heads adjusted to HOUSE when it came out of Chicago and NOW we must adjust to what will best benefit the music and scene. Life is a constant change yet it often stays the same. Uhm !!! No big thang, all we're talking about is a description NOT a change of the art form.

Try describing our art form to the wider audience as "Soulful DANCE Music" which includes The Classics, Deep House, Gospel House, Jazzy House etc.

Conrad
TOGETHER IN SPIRIT

[Big Paul Y'all!!]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
IF YOU MENTION "HOUSE" TO ANYONE NOT IN THE KNOW, THEY ARE SURE TO ENVISION SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE KNOW IT TO BE...often times, it leaves us too frustrated to teach...however, if we care, we should be willing to change their perceptions on true house...the name's not the problem - the lack of enthusiam and willingness to teach in those who know what true house is is the culprit... WOW!!! RIIIIIGHT!!!

[JMNYC]

What a great discussion. Thanks to all of you.

To me, it will always be "club" anyway. No disrespect to the pioneers at all.

I remember when "house" was a powerful word, but then again, I remember when you'd get beat down for calling someone a "bitch". Times change, colloquialisms (sp?) change, even the music HAS changed. Why desperately hold on to a label that has been outgrown?

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

I will forever call what I play House Music and any remix that I create is from the foundation of House Music.

I don't call it retro, deep, or anything else. With me it is all of one family.

[Ron la Rock]

I still like and ue the term "CLUB"
myself
House is real and like others have stated it was
a revolution in chi taking forward
things in the evolution of dance music
without a doubt
before becoming a blanket or umbrella term 4 many
components like others

"hip hop" "electro" 'freestyle" "techno" its all still dance music.
I still love the idea of underground even that has changed and its true meaning ?
but hey.....

I
still love house as long as we allow growth and different flavors in
I'm all 4 it whatever remeber good music is.....