Rummy sure has changed his tune!

[mdpm99]

According to the newspaper, the Oct. 16 memo suggests that significant work remains to be done, raises a number of probing questions and offers few detailed proposals......

"Are we winning or losing the Global War on Terrorism?" Rumsfeld asks in the memo as quoted by the newspaper. He cites "mixed results" against al Qaeda, "reasonable progress tracking down top Iraqis" and "somewhat slower progress" in apprehending Taliban leaders, the report said.

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Greetings:

Rummy sure has changed his tune. Before the war started in Iraq Rummy talked as if it would be a piece of cake to win the war and reorganize things. Seems we need to reorganize things here at home.

I give Rumsfeld a month or so and maybe Bush will send him packing. He's a loose WMD for sure. But then again we are so bad at finding those WMDs maybe Bush won't see this one sitting right in his office.

Let's get rid of the whole bunch of losers and "mis-leaders" Bush put on the national payroll, starting with Rumsfeld (who will probably find sanctuary in a nursing home in Kansas). Follow up with axing "Condescending" Rice, who has never heard a lie she didn't like. Then kick John Ass-croft where it really hurts. Having done all of the above, perhaps Veep "Lon" Chaney and, finally George "Dub-ya" will decide not to even seek reelection. WIN-WIN all the way around!!!

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[ October 22, 2003, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[lyot]

Keep the Faith David ! :)

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[mdpm99]

Springsteen Closes Sept. 11 Inspired Tour in NY
Thu October 2, 2003 02:51 PM ET

By Ellen Wulfhorst

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Rock'n'roll superstar Bruce Springsteen wraps up his worldwide "The Rising" tour on a political note this weekend in New York, where the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks provided inspiration for his latest songs.
Springsteen wove strong criticism of the administration of President Bush into the first of the final three shows at Shea Stadium on Wednesday night, playing a recording of Bush talking about weapons of mass destruction, questioning America's motives for the war in Iraq and calling for Bush's defeat as he seeks re-election next year.
"It is time to impeach the president and put in somebody that knows what they're doing," the musician, known as "The Boss," told the crowd.
Heading into the hit "Born in the U.S.A.," he said: "The question of whether we were misled into the war in Iraq isn't a liberal or conservative or Republican or Democratic question, it's an American one.
"Demanding accountability from our leaders is our responsibility, our job as citizens," he said.
The impact his message made in the vast open-air baseball stadium, where some 50,000 people sat, was mixed. True believers clapped harder, while more casual fans chatted or wandered in search of cold beer as Springsteen paused to speak or play his quieter tunes.
HARD-CORE FANS
Hard-core fans -- such as the 50 Britons who arrived by charter plane to catch the three-show series -- were thrilled.
"Bruce is a working-class hero," said Martin Seemley, a hospital biologist from Sheffield, England, who paid about $2,000 for the trip. "It's just Bruce mania."
Springsteen and the E Street Band kicked off "The Rising" tour in the summer of 2002, traveled around the United States, Canada, Europe and Australia and sold more than 3 million tickets.
Paying homage to New York and the victims of the attack on the World Trade Center, they opened with "Souls of the Departed" and the title song from "The Rising," a collection of songs inspired by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, before heading into a string of favorites including "Johnny 99" and "Kitty's Back."
Springsteen, 54, closed the exuberant three-hour show -- during "which he skidded across the stage a la Chuck Berry -- with "Dancing in the Dark."

[Leslie]

Oh you can best believe who was in Baby Bush's office first thing this morning trying to explain the leak on this. BTFW - what is going on with the investigation into the leak that provided the name of the woman who was undercover - see now had this been Clinton, it STILL would be front page news. But that's okay cause Bill's gonna have the last laugh come '08.


October 22, 2003
Rumsfeld Questions U.S. in Terror Fight
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 11:22 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld questioned whether the United States was doing enough to win the war on terrorism, citing ``mixed results'' in the fight against al-Qaida in a pointed memo to top Pentagon officials.

Rumsfeld said the U.S.-led coalitions would win in Afghanistan and Iraq, but not without ``a long, hard slog.'' He wrote that the United States ``has made reasonable progress in capturing or killing the top 55 Iraqis'' but has made ``somewhat slower progress'' tracking down top Taliban leaders who sheltered al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

``My impression is that we have not yet made truly bold moves, although we have made many sensible, logical moves in the right direction, but are they enough?'' Rumsfeld wrote.

The memo, dated Oct. 16 and first reported by USA Today on Wednesday, offered a much more stark assessment of the global war on terrorism than contained in Rumsfeld's public statements.

``It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog,'' he wrote.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan, traveling with President Bush in Australia, reacted by voicing support for Rumsfeld. ``That's exactly what a strong and capable secretary of defense like Secretary Rumsfeld should be doing,'' said McClellan.

``The president has always said it will require thinking differently. It's a different type of war,'' McClellan said.

Bush talked about the war on terrorism with reporters aboard Air Force One en route to Canberra, where he planned to discuss it with Prime Minister John Howard.

``I've always felt that there's a tendency of people to kind of seek a comfort zone and hope that the war on terror is over,'' Bush said. ``And I view it as a responsibility of the United States to remind people of our mutual obligations to deal with the terrorists.''

Rumsfeld's spokesman, Larry Di Rita, told reporters Wednesday the memo was meant to raise ``big questions that deserve big thinking'' and preserve a ``constant sense of urgency'' about where the war on terror is heading.

On the battle against the terror network blamed for the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Rumsfeld wrote: ``We are having mixed results with al-Qaida, although we have put considerable pressure on them -- nonetheless, a great many remain at large.'' They include the group's top leader, Osama bin Laden, and his right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Rumsfeld wrote ``we are just getting started'' in battling Ansar al-Islam, an Iraq-based terrorist group linked to al-Qaida.

Di Rita said the memo was another in a series of provocative questions that the secretary regularly raises with Pentagon brass.

Three members of Congress who met with Rumsfeld Wednesday morning said the defense secretary gave them copies of the memo and discussed it with them.

``He's asking the tough questions we all need to be asking,'' said Rep. Jim Turner, D-Texas.

``Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror,'' Rumsfeld wrote. ``Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?''

Madrassas are Islamic religious schools. Rumsfeld and other U.S. officials say some schools run by radical groups indoctrinate students to join in an anti-American holy war.

Rumsfeld's memo raises the possibility of creating ``a private foundation to entice radical madrassas to a more moderate course'' and questions how to block the funding of the extremist schools.

Sounding a theme Rumsfeld has voiced repeatedly in the past two years, the memo says the Defense Department is too big and slow to effectively fight small groups of terrorists.

``It is not possible to change DoD fast enough to successfully fight the global war on terror,'' Rumsfeld wrote. ``An alternative might be to try to fashion a new institution, either within DoD or elsewhere -- one that seamlessly focuses the capabilities of several departments and agencies on this key problem.''

Rumsfeld also suggested the United States may need to do more to ``stop the next generation of terrorists.''

``The U.S. is putting relatively little effort into a long-range plan, but we are putting a great deal of effort into trying to stop terrorists,'' Rumsfeld wrote. ``The cost-benefit ratio is against us! Our cost is billions against the terrorists' costs of millions.''


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[DLow]

Originally posted by Leslie:
But that's okay cause Bill's gonna have the last laugh come '08. How?

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Derrick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
But that's okay cause Bill's gonna have the last laugh come '08. How? </font>[/QUOTE]Well I figure the Republicans are gonna get 4 more years and during that time, they can continue this country on its march straight to hell with its current mission and anything else they can think up under the guise of bringing the heathenous non-democratic countries into the fold. Meanwhile, ole Hillary will continue her rout as an extrememly popular member of the senate and will have been "secretly" raising money to run for office in '08. Now by then this country's defecit should be more outta control then ever before, jobs by now have been so long gone over seas (check out how Wall Street is as we speak shipping MANY jobs to India) and what ever the "new economy" is will probably be of no use to the millions of average Americans who used to work in many of those jobs that are now obsolete and or shipped overseas. So with all of that she'll practically waltz into office and give all her detractors and enemies the collective royal Italian salute and appoint her husband UN representative - to further prove that she knew full and well who she married and it don't mean a damn thing cause the end goal was what it was all about anyway, regardless of how they tried to tear them down. Just my opinion as to how.

[mdpm99]

Greetings Leslie:

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Ps.

Thank you for digging up the story re the memo! smile.gif

[MarkK]

David et al:

I think people like Bruce Sprinsteen can have a very positive impact on the next expect. Spingsteen has tremendous credibility with the NASCAR Dad types. For them to hear him slam bush may make them feel its ok (not unpatriotic) to vote demo.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by MarkK:
David et al:

I think people like Bruce Sprinsteen can have a very positive impact on the next expect. Spingsteen has tremendous credibility with the NASCAR Dad types. For them to hear him slam bush may make them feel its ok (not unpatriotic) to vote demo. Excellent point, MarkK!!!!

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[mdpm99]

follow the logic ...

the USA props up repressive regimes and/or meddles in the internal politics of numerous Muslim states that have significant oil supplies. This pisses off the locals to no end who in turn attack American interests and/or allies. The USA then attacks them back and calls it a "War on Terror"

it's pretty simple

d

[mdpm99]

etc...

(some photo's may be too senitive for some)

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4173.htm
http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2606.htm
http://thewarparty.com/
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=8998&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4759.htm