what's the deal with records that don't start "on the one"? example: the new "Awade"

[D J 1 3 8]

Maybe I'm just hearing it wrong, but the new mix of "Awade" seems to start right before the one. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[ September 09, 2003, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: DJ 138 ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I'm sick of records that start with bullsugar sound effects that take up a minutes worth of time.

Then you have those friggin breaks at the beginning when you're tryin to cue up a record.


(Pause, take a breath, pause, breathe, it's ok Groove)

Phewwwwwwww...........

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I'm sick of records that start with bullsugar sound effects that take up a minutes worth of time.

Then you have those friggin breaks at the beginning when you're tryin to cue up a record.


(Pause, take a breath, pause, breathe, it's ok Groove)

Phewwwwwwww........... "Worlds" is like that. It doesn't even get moving until 3 minutes in to the damn track.

[john]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Maybe I'm just hearing it wrong, but the new mix of "Awade" seems to start right before the one. Please correct me if I'm wrong. is there a new mix of awade?? how long has it been out?? who remixed it??
/john

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by john:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Maybe I'm just hearing it wrong, but the new mix of "Awade" seems to start right before the one. Please correct me if I'm wrong. is there a new mix of awade?? how long has it been out?? who remixed it??
/john </font>[/QUOTE]The Joe Clausell mix that has been out for quite some time. Like 4 months maybe? 3? Regardless, it's great .

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
The Joe Clausell mix that has been out for quite some time. Like 4 months maybe? 3? Regardless, it's great . Hmmm, never noticed it not starting on 1... never had an issue with it either... just que and riiiiiiiiiiiide smile.gif

And yah it's a pretty fierce track...

[ September 09, 2003, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

[martino]

nice. Some people play the Awade track as if it starts on the 1. I hear the low (tom/kick or whatever it is sound) on the 4 as opposed to the 1 just like you.

[john]

anyone have a spare to trade?
/john

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by martino:
nice. Some people play the Awade track as if it starts on the 1. I hear the low (tom/kick or whatever it is sound) on the 4 as opposed to the 1 just like you. That's the cool thing about the track... the timing and pattern aren't "normal" or "straight" which is what makes the bassline and whatnot in there so hot...

[TAD]

that bassline is actually a straight sample of an old italo disco track, by macho if i remember corectly. i have a copy on unidisc & DJ 138 is right, it doesn't start on the one.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
nice. Some people play the Awade track as if it starts on the 1. I hear the low (tom/kick or whatever it is sound) on the 4 as opposed to the 1 just like you. That's the cool thing about the track... the timing and pattern aren't "normal" or "straight" which is what makes the bassline and whatnot in there so hot... </font>[/QUOTE]I used to think it was just me hearing it wrong, but if you listen to the whole track, all the drop-outs return on that low Tom that Martino mentioned. This is what convinced me that it doesn't start on the one.

I don't know if house producers do this, but in hip hop, some tracks often started not on the one. Usually this was due to the fact that the drum sequencer (MPC) was using a sampled loop that didn't begin on the one.

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
nice. Some people play the Awade track as if it starts on the 1. I hear the low (tom/kick or whatever it is sound) on the 4 as opposed to the 1 just like you. That's the cool thing about the track... the timing and pattern aren't "normal" or "straight" which is what makes the bassline and whatnot in there so hot... </font>[/QUOTE]I used to think it was just me hearing it wrong, but if you listen to the whole track, all the drop-outs return on that low Tom that Martino mentioned. This is what convinced me that it doesn't start on the one.

I don't know if house producers do this, but in hip hop, some tracks often started not on the one. Usually this was due to the fact that the drum sequencer (MPC) was using a sampled loop that didn't begin on the one. </font>[/QUOTE]That drop out near the middle where it comes back with the tom-kick before the 1 is fierce, and that piece is definitely not on the 1... sorta like a tease before the 1 drops... all part of the magic of that track smile.gif

... but now you have me wondering how i play this track so I'm sure I'll toss it on the decks as soon as I get home, lol

[Keith Blackstone]

Yuppers, I take the first beat on the record as 1...

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[The Buddy Love Show]

awww it don't start at "one"...how inconvenient the artist makes thngs by following his vison (and presupposing musical talent, mixing ability and the want of variety on the part of the audience)

bad.......


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[djyoavb]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
The Joe Clausell mix that has been out for quite some time. Like 4 months maybe? 3? Regardless, it's great . never had an issue with it either... just que and riiiiiiiiiiiide smile.gif

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[Hippie]

Actually alot of the classics did not start on the one but it's not a problem beats are basically based on simple math. Most tracks start on a whole note or a down beat as the pattern on a straight 4 kick. It could be the one it could be the 4th note or the third. Then there are 8th notes which is usually where a open hat pattern falls on. A sample is 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and. The and in that pattern is the 8th. Then there are 16th notes. A pattern of 16 would look like 1 + and + 2 + and + 3 + and + 4 + and +. The plus signs are your 16th notes. There are also 32nd notes but there not used as usual as the others. So you see all you have to figure out is where the first hit is falling and you can tell where you are. Peace, kids smile.gif

[rob brito]

get used to the bass pattern cause the record begins one quarter into the bassline.

wait for the first kick to go by and then send it at the second, it should work.

[ September 09, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: robs ]

[Prince HiFi]

I like records that don't start on the one. It takes some effort (and note taking) to figure them out but when you do they are mad fun. Until figured though, they are a beeatch to mix in. I gotta get a copy of this single, I picked up the LP.

Prince HiFi

[liL Ray]

It does start on the one...what might be throwing you off is when the horns come in first...it doesn't come in where you might be expecting it, which I think is great....the floor never seems to mind....put this in the "the dj cares more about the sound than the dancers do" file.

[Mah'chew]

o Charles Webster - 'Like Water' is another one

[illiciumverum]

if you're talking about joe's jungle sounds dub, initially i thought it started on the one, but now i think you're right...cos all the dropouts i'm hearing happen where that lower kick is meant to be, so that's go to be the 1st beat... which means the track starts on the 4th.

[ September 09, 2003, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: staranise ]

[D J 1 3 8]

So... it seems that we are split on "Awade" starting on the one or not. I still say it doesn't and I think where the drop-outs come back in proves this, but what do I know... The track is dope anyhoo and Ray is right, the dancefloor could care less.

[rob brito]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
So... it seems that we are split on "Awade" starting on the one or not. I still say it doesn't and I think where the drop-outs come back in proves this, but what do I know... The track is dope anyhoo and Ray is right, the dancefloor could care less. i'm dead certain it's off by a beat...try to memorize the bass pattern and you'll se it's almost split in half at the beginning.

i always have to wait for a one beat to go by before i send it, no big deal anyway.

[ September 10, 2003, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: robs ]

[Jolyon]

just play the record...

[Monny JcIntosh]

When a car goes by and I can only hear the high hats, even though I know they're on the off beat, it's hard to hear it the "right" way - trying to scratch the music back half a beat in my mind. smile.gif

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
It does start on the one...what might be throwing you off is when the horns come in first...it doesn't come in where you might be expecting it, which I think is great....the floor never seems to mind....put this in the "the dj cares more about the sound than the dancers do" file. Awade starts on the two my friend.

[martino]

We are such a bunch of music geeks!

I think some people hear it starting on the 1.

I dont. I totally feel that the low tom on the 4.
Not that it matters, but I have been discussing this with friends as i notice some dj's cue the 2 as the one, and the phrase doesn't sit as nice to my ears.

I've never had a problem when records aren't lined up on the one, except that i:cube track "yes mamma" which took me forever to figure out what it started on.(which i cant remember now)

[gabriel]

i thought it started on the 1.5