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Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 09:23 AM
scratch that...all the good posts are coming back to the top
why couldn't you have pulled the revolution on a MONDAY?! I could've gotten a lot more work done this week.
[ November 08, 2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]
word Danny..
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Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 09:31 AM
Great...this is just what we needed...in a critical time in the world, discussions by young people (and, dare I say it, young Black people) who rarely concern themselves with...
world events
national politics
international culture
finance
philosophy
...you know, all the things we're never expected to discuss, have been moved to page four by board flooding with bad grammar. Someone quote the Bible next, so this lame shit can really be "house".
BTW - this "revolution" wasn't an expression of love for "House" as much as it was a lesson in HOW TO SUCK UP TO YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL CELEBRITY.
[ November 08, 2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]
jimmymack-2000
11-08-2003, 09:40 AM
Ouch.
imported_Gman
11-08-2003, 09:59 AM
This board is first and formost dedicated to these producers and artists that have made great contributions to this thing we call house. Two of them had some fun today its not that big a deal. Board equilibrium will quickly return.
-G
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Gman:
This board is first and formost dedicated to these producers and artists that have made great contributions to this thing we call house. Two of them had some fun today its not that big a deal. Board equilibrium will quickly return.
-G It's cool, G - really, you know I have a lot of love - but this "revolution" was some self-masturbation by local celebrities, man.
Mancuso don't pull this type of shit. Did FK, Frankie Knuckles or Timmy Regisford start the last one?
House is alive...and its self-righteous and annoying.
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Great...this is just what we needed...in a critical time in the world, discussions by young people (and, dare I say it, young Black people) who rarely concern themselves with...
world events
national politics
international culture
finance
philosophy
...you know, all the things we're never expected to discuss, have been moved to page four by board flooding with bad grammar. Someone quote the Bible next, so this lame shit can really be "house".
BTW - this "revolution" wasn't an expression of love for "House" as much as it was a lesson in HOW TO SUCK UP TO YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL CELEBRITY. Feces contain harmful bacteria. I hope he washed up this morning.....JMJ
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Great...this is just what we needed...in a critical time in the world, discussions by young people (and, dare I say it, young Black people) who rarely concern themselves with...
world events
national politics
international culture
finance
philosophy
...you know, all the things we're never expected to discuss, have been moved to page four by board flooding with bad grammar. Someone quote the Bible next, so this lame shit can really be "house".
BTW - this "revolution" wasn't an expression of love for "House" as much as it was a lesson in HOW TO SUCK UP TO YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL CELEBRITY. Feces contain harmful bacteria. I hope he washed up this morning.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]No need...with so much ass-kissing, they've obviously built up a resistance.
Ron la Rock
11-08-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Great...this is just what we needed...in a critical time in the world, discussions by young people (and, dare I say it, young Black people) who rarely concern themselves with...
world events
national politics
international culture
finance
philosophy
...you know, all the things we're never expected to discuss, have been moved to page four by board flooding with bad grammar. Someone quote the Bible next, so this lame shit can really be "house".
BTW - this "revolution" wasn't an expression of love for "House" as much as it was a lesson in HOW TO SUCK UP TO YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL CELEBRITY. Feces contain harmful bacteria. I hope he washed up this morning.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]No need...with so much ass-kissing, they've obviously built up a resistance. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah mo-fos' done came all over themselves
(ya know that good no 1 in the "HOUSE" jerk-off session as chris Rock would say)
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dennis f
11-08-2003, 06:10 PM
You know what? yall mofo's are way toooo serious....It was no jerk off session...it was just good honest fun. And quite frankly i really don't give two ****s if so and so doesn't do this...that's them and I'm me. And I've never given to ****s to what someone has to say about me. I did this to have fun......We thought that this board was way to serious...and you know what by some of these "self masturbation" "celebrity" posts I am now thouroughly assured of it. Lighten up....it was all in good fun....and if you can't take a joke well.....F ya!
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by dennis f:
You know what? yall mofo's are way toooo serious....It was no jerk off session...it was just good honest fun. And quite frankly i really don't give two ****s if so and so doesn't do this...that's them and I'm me. And I've never given to ****s to what someone has to say about me. I did this to have fun......We thought that this board was way to serious...and you know what by some of these "self masturbation" "celebrity" posts I am now thouroughly assured of it. Lighten up....it was all in good fun....and if you can't take a joke well.....F ya! Ah...so one person's fun is another person's discomfort, hm?
Ron la Rock
11-08-2003, 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by dennis f:
You know what? yall mofo's are way toooo serious....It was no jerk off session...it was just good honest fun. And quite frankly i really don't give two ****s if so and so doesn't do this...that's them and I'm me. And I've never given to ****s to what someone has to say about me. I did this to have fun......We thought that this board was way to serious...and you know what by some of these "self masturbation" "celebrity" posts I am now thouroughly assured of it. Lighten up....it was all in good fun....and if you can't take a joke well.....F ya! Stop being so serious......JMJ ;)
dennis f
11-08-2003, 06:24 PM
"Ah...so one person's fun is another person's discomfort, hm?"
dude? what was so hard about a mouse click or two or sliding the toolbar...well ****in' excuse me for making you do hard labor!!!
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dennis f:
You know what? yall mofo's are way toooo serious....It was no jerk off session...it was just good honest fun. And quite frankly i really don't give two ****s if so and so doesn't do this...that's them and I'm me. And I've never given to ****s to what someone has to say about me. I did this to have fun......We thought that this board was way to serious...and you know what by some of these "self masturbation" "celebrity" posts I am now thouroughly assured of it. Lighten up....it was all in good fun....and if you can't take a joke well.....F ya! Stop being so serious......JMJ ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I see...I see...I see STRESSED PEOPLE...ALL THE TIME...
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BRUCE WILLIS - "Yo kid...is Frankie playin' upstairs?"
HALEY OSMENT - "Oh no...I think he missed the break..."
[ November 08, 2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]
DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)
11-08-2003, 06:56 PM
Dennis has a reason to be pissed. It was all in good fun. A handful of us were on DHP really late last night (GU, Dennis, P-Flipp, Nege and myself), and what started with a snowball, ended up in an avalanche....
Kinda like looting with not one cop in sight! You can't resist.
It was fun to run rampant... that's it!!!!
It was a pseudo-coup d'etat of sorts...
But no need to be hatin. Seriously people!!
A group of members think that house is dead or dying, while another group thinks otherwise....
I think adversity is good. It keeps all parties in check...
But for cryin out loud don't name drop. That's class-less.
Like Dennis said,
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Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
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Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif
DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)
11-08-2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
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Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif Yeah DANNY!!!?????
LOL. I'd really like to read your opinion on this though.
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
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Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif Yeah DANNY!!!?????
LOL. I'd really like to read your opinion on this though. </font>[/QUOTE]It depends upon one's definition of "dead"...now doesn't it?
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 07:47 PM
6 23, The Disappearing Questioner and Michael "Simon Bar Sinister", the Fanboy King...
Rather than bore you with an explicit definition, I'll reward you for finally asking a question that would expand the discussion rather than kill it (although, 6 23, don't think I didn't notice your nasty allusions ;) )
Where Webster and I meet on the subject of house is in the following keywords:
DEAD: NUMB, UNRESPONSIVE, INANIMATE, INERT, QUIET, STAGNANT, STALLED.
My explicit definition for House's DEADNESS is:
5c : not imparting motion or power although otherwise functioning
or
2c (1) : incapable of being stirred emotionally or intellectually
or
4e (1) : lacking in commercial activity
Yep - "House" is indeed DEAD.
P.S. - you want to swim with Danny, you need to be able to tread water...cause it ain't ever deep enough for me. Any more questions, Sister? :rolleyes:
djLesCole
11-08-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
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Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif Yeah DANNY!!!?????
LOL. I'd really like to read your opinion on this though. </font>[/QUOTE]It depends upon one's definition of "dead"...now doesn't it? </font>[/QUOTE]Danny, the only thing that's dead is the horse you're beating. Like 6 23 pointed out, you spend way too much energy on this board preaching that "house is dead". I don't understand why you come to deepHOUSEpage everyday to give negative energy instead of going to deepHIPHOPpage to be positive? With the tone of most of your recent posts, I don't think you'll be missed too much around here.
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by djLesCole:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
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Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif Yeah DANNY!!!?????
LOL. I'd really like to read your opinion on this though. </font>[/QUOTE]It depends upon one's definition of "dead"...now doesn't it? </font>[/QUOTE]Danny, the only thing that's dead is the horse you're beating. Like 6 23 pointed out, you spend way too much energy on this board preaching that "house is dead". I don't understand why you come to deepHOUSEpage everyday to give negative energy instead of going to deepHIPHOPpage to be positive? With the tone of most of your recent posts, I don't think you'll be missed too much around here. </font>[/QUOTE]Okay...sorry...I guess I should've brought flowers to the funeral Les. Can you forgive me?
Had you ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS, you would have found HOPE for the "SCENE"...but as you just want to pop-off without considering POSSIBILITIES, I'll let you have it...
House is inert and stagnant and is not allowing for any growth and expansion, so whomever you're carrying crates for has you fooled.
Everyone can't be a fan and this thing still thrive, but all the so-called "pioneers" don't want it that way. They want to hold on to their 300 member fan bases, residencies and whatever. They want you to "looooove" house...but not be responsible for it.
How many television shows still had fans when they were cancelled? How many radio programs still had fans before the programming was changed? How many magazines, books, yada yada yada still had readers when they were pulled off the shelves?
How many autographs can Michael Jackson sign on a daily basis...even though he's dead in the water...and has been for a long time?
Shit, OJ still goes to autograph sessions at sports conferences.
Am I painting a picture for you here, ol' Indignant Les?! Heh?! Am I?!
The fans aren't an accurate measurement. Check the labels, distributors, producers, artists...there's no life there anymore. As soon as a famous producer says "the label doesn't want house music from me anymore", everyone rakes him over the coals...but...wait...he's TELLING ALL OF YOU THE WAY IT IS!
So be mad at me all you want. Big FCUKIN' DEAL!!! I'm so ashamed of myself for putting that shit where you all live...in your own little minds...
Everyone can't be a fan, yall. Someone has to be RESPONSIBLE!
Suckaz. Phew.
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 08:08 PM
Oh...and by the by...the reason why Hip Hop grew into the powerful entity it has become because...here this...
BATTLES! No matter how good someone was...no matter how much of a "Pioneer" (hollow term, btw), every new kid wanted to take his or her crown. Everyone wants to be king of the hill.
You House punks like to revere those who haven't done shit! Residencies? Halls of Fame? Jock Riding? Where is the sense of COMPETITION?! I know...it goes right out the window when those who want to keep you from competing INVOKE THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS...as you carry their crates for them...
Phew...
Mah'chew
11-08-2003, 08:12 PM
[/qb][/QUOTE]Danny, the only thing that's dead is the horse you're beating. Like 6 23 pointed out, you spend way too much energy on this board preaching that "house is dead". I don't understand why you come to deepHOUSEpage everyday to give negative energy instead of going to deepHIPHOPpage to be positive? With the tone of most of your recent posts, I don't think you'll be missed too much around here. [/QB][/QUOTE]
You don't mean that, that's not right, Danny's the Equalizer and he's just balancing things out.. graemlins/rofl.gif
djLesCole
11-08-2003, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djLesCole:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
Danny ... I have a question for you and I mean this without attacking. You're very vocal about your opinion that House is dead. In another thread if I interpreted correctly you also said that you'd spent too much money and time learning about the business or professional factors that caused the death of House to want to pass it on for free. Okay. Ultimately what is your point then? Are you truly convinced House is dead? If so, why are you such a big participant on a board about a subject you think is dead? Why would you promote your movie on one of the most popular boards about a dead issue? Yes, we're all multi-faceted and not just about House ... Hmm .. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a point. Are you trying to wake people up to your reality that House is dead? Perhaps I'm just confused about why you'd expend this kind of energy on "House is dead." Maybe I'm confused 'cause to me House has never been based on the number of people I can convince of it's validity and Alive-ness. Judging by some of the personal stories about House, I'd say a number of people feel it is more than sales charts, Dj lists, copyright issues etc, etc. Perhaps to them this is why House is alive. No one can say that there is a universally agreed upon number of characteristics that must be met in order to say House is Alive. Couldn't it be another case of who feels it knows it?
-----
Just some thoughts ... I must now get ready for work. It's House night. graemlins/grinyes.gif Yeah DANNY!!!?????
LOL. I'd really like to read your opinion on this though. </font>[/QUOTE]It depends upon one's definition of "dead"...now doesn't it? </font>[/QUOTE]Danny, the only thing that's dead is the horse you're beating. Like 6 23 pointed out, you spend way too much energy on this board preaching that "house is dead". I don't understand why you come to deepHOUSEpage everyday to give negative energy instead of going to deepHIPHOPpage to be positive? With the tone of most of your recent posts, I don't think you'll be missed too much around here. </font>[/QUOTE]Okay...sorry...I guess I should've brought flowers to the funeral Les. Can you forgive me?
Had you ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS, you would have found HOPE for the "SCENE"...but as you just want to pop-off without considering POSSIBILITIES, I'll let you have it...
House is inert and stagnant and is not allowing for any growth and expansion, so whomever you're carrying crates for has you fooled.
Everyone can't be a fan and this thing still thrive, but all the so-called "pioneers" don't want it that way. They want to hold on to their 300 member fan bases, residencies and whatever. They want you to "looooove" house...but not be responsible for it.
How many television shows still had fans when they were cancelled? How many radio programs still had fans before the programming was changed? How many magazines, books, yada yada yada still had readers when they were pulled off the shelves?
How many autographs can Michael Jackson sign on a daily basis...even though he's dead in the water...and has been for a long time?
Shit, OJ still goes to autograph sessions at sports conferences.
Am I painting a picture for you here, ol' Indignant Les?! Heh?! Am I?!
The fans aren't an accurate measurement. Check the labels, distributors, producers, artists...there's no life there anymore. As soon as a famous producer says "the label doesn't want house music from me anymore", everyone rakes him over the coals...but...wait...he's TELLING ALL OF YOU THE WAY IT IS!
So be mad at me all you want. Big FCUKIN' DEAL!!! I'm so ashamed of myself for putting that shit where you all live...in your own little minds...
Everyone can't be a fan, yall. Someone has to be RESPONSIBLE!
Suckaz. Phew. </font>[/QUOTE]Did you really read what I wrote? I'm telling you we heard your 2 cents the first 20 times, what are you gaining by sticking around a web page based on something you hold so much negativity for? Why not make positive suggestions or move on?
By the way, I carry crates for nobody and I kiss nobody's ass in this industry. Know that!
It is however, becoming more and more obvious that you've had some bad experiences with house and maybe didn't progress because maybe you weren't as talented as you may have thought, sorry Danny, but stop hating.
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 08:37 PM
Actually, I've had nothing but positive experiences with House music. I was around for some of the most influential productions around. As a teenager, I spent time in some basements with "pioneers" who don't even post on the DHP. I even put House music in the score of that bad film I made in my bedroom...
Um...anything else there, Les?
Bold Soul
11-08-2003, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Mah'chew:
You don't mean that, that's not right, Danny's the Equalizer and he's just balancing things out.. graemlins/rofl.gif Dammit...that was supposed to be a secret!
BTW - only if you mean THE EQUALIZER! http://www.thegoldenglobes.com/images/71-edward_woodward.jpg
djLesCole
11-08-2003, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Actually, I've had nothing but positive experiences with House music. I was around for some of the most influential productions around. As a teenager, I spent time in some basements with "pioneers" who don't even post on the DHP. I even put House music in the score of that bad film I made in my bedroom...
Um...anything else there, Les? Nah, that's it, I don't want to add any more negativity to the board than it's already seeing. Have a good night, Danny.
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
6 23, The Disappearing Questioner and Michael "Simon Bar Sinister", the Fanboy King...
Rather than bore you with an explicit definition, I'll reward you for finally asking a question that would expand the discussion rather than kill it (although, 6 23, don't think I didn't notice your nasty allusions ;) )
Where Webster and I meet on the subject of house is in the following keywords:
DEAD: NUMB, UNRESPONSIVE, INANIMATE, INERT, QUIET, STAGNANT, STALLED.
My explicit definition for House's DEADNESS is:
5c : not imparting motion or power although otherwise functioning
or
2c (1) : incapable of being stirred emotionally or intellectually
or
4e (1) : lacking in commercial activity
Yep - "House" is indeed DEAD.
P.S. - you want to swim with Danny, you need to be able to tread water...cause it ain't ever deep enough for me. Any more questions, Sister? :rolleyes: Okay = My response to your reasons for believing House is dead. I read your words. I asked the questions I asked not as an attack but to help me understand why you put all the energy you do into making the same points about House on a House board. A board, created with the intention of (Mission statement ..?) supporting House. House - House which you find :insert your Webster's definitions here: - Do you persist because you expect or hope to get a certain type or level of response from readers? If you feel House is all the things you describe, would you like to see change? How? Do you care enough or is the scene too :websters here: for you to care about.
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I brought up your craft 'cause I wanted to relate the passion I assume you have for it with the passion many here feel for House.
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You end your post with yet another reference to your :{?): intellect. If people aren't getting it or don't challenge you, what makes you bother? What's in it for you? Why actively be a part of that which vexes you so? and please don't look for anything nasty to infer from these questions either. :rolleyes:
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
I read your words on the issue and accept that ultimately, it's your view and opinion based on your experiences, much like mine are based on mine. All this doesn't mean I'm unaware of seeming trends or patterns but so many other factors affect how we view and experience House.
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Ehhh ... Maybe it's all for laughs ...
You know, like Dennis and Michael, G.U were doing.
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Someone's always laughing ... or not.
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"Dead House" ... The videogame ... Music: Tupac vs. Tiesto in "HipTrance"
Who will make it out alive?
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DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)
11-09-2003, 08:38 AM
now that's house
imported_Gman
11-09-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Oh...and by the by...the reason why Hip Hop grew into the powerful entity it has become because...here this...
BATTLES! No matter how good someone was...no matter how much of a "Pioneer" (hollow term, btw), every new kid wanted to take his or her crown. Everyone wants to be king of the hill.
You House punks like to revere those who haven't done shit! Residencies? Halls of Fame? Jock Riding? Where is the sense of COMPETITION?! I know...it goes right out the window when those who want to keep you from competing INVOKE THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS...as you carry their crates for them...
Phew... You House punks ?
Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Oh...and by the by...the reason why Hip Hop grew into the powerful entity it has become because...here this...
BATTLES! No matter how good someone was...no matter how much of a "Pioneer" (hollow term, btw), every new kid wanted to take his or her crown. Everyone wants to be king of the hill.
you house punks like to revere those who haven't done shit! Residencies? Halls of Fame? Jock Riding? Where is the sense of COMPETITION?! I know...it goes right out the window when those who want to keep you from competing INVOKE THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS...as you carry their crates for them...
Phew... You house punk s? </font>[/QUOTE]Yoo HousePunkz?
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simon b
11-09-2003, 10:33 AM
Here in Montreal I heard Blaze, Mark Farina & Roger Sanchez (at Stereo no less) and a dropped over $200 dollars on some ill records in just the last three days. ....Not to mention two decent paying residences where I play what ever tta F*CK I want. Oh yeah and there was some sex & drugs in there too...just cause you ain't living it doesn't mean it's dead.
DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)
11-09-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by simon b:
Here in Montreal I heard Blaze, Mark Farina & Roger Sanchez (at Stereo no less) and a dropped over $200 dollars on some ill records in just the last three days. ....Not to mention two decent paying residences where I play what ever tta F*CK I want. Oh yeah and there was some sex & drugs in there too...just cause you ain't living it doesn't mean it's dead. I gotta roll wit u homeboy!!!!!!!!
I got some sex too this weekend, while listening to "I shall not be moved(stand still) by Kenny Bobien on her sound system... That was kind of weird man!
The Buddy Love Show
11-09-2003, 01:57 PM
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Oh...and by the by...the reason why Hip Hop grew into the powerful entity it has become because...here this...
BATTLES! No matter how good someone was...no matter how much of a "Pioneer" (hollow term, btw), every new kid wanted to take his or her crown. Everyone wants to be king of the hill.
You House punks like to revere those who haven't done shit! Residencies? Halls of Fame? Jock Riding? Where is the sense of COMPETITION?! I know...it goes right out the window when those who want to keep you from competing INVOKE THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS...as you carry their crates for them...
Phew... Hiphop grew into a powerful entity because MTV and clear channel have made it so. If they saw $ in house they would play that too. Battles have very little to do with it.
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you?
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?).
[ November 09, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]
Ron la Rock
11-09-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
[/qb]Okay...sorry...I guess I should've brought flowers to the funeral Les. Can you forgive me?
Had you ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS, you would have found HOPE for the "SCENE"...but as you just want to pop-off without considering POSSIBILITIES, I'll let you have it...
House is inert and stagnant and is not allowing for any growth and expansion, so whomever you're carrying crates for has you fooled.
Everyone can't be a fan and this thing still thrive, but all the so-called "pioneers" don't want it that way. They want to hold on to their 300 member fan bases, residencies and whatever. They want you to "looooove" house...but not be responsible for it.
How many television shows still had fans when they were cancelled? How many radio programs still had fans before the programming was changed? How many magazines, books, yada yada yada still had readers when they were pulled off the shelves?
How many autographs can Michael Jackson sign on a daily basis...even though he's dead in the water...and has been for a long time?
Shit, OJ still goes to autograph sessions at sports conferences.
Am I painting a picture for you here, ol' Indignant Les?! Heh?! Am I?!
The fans aren't an accurate measurement. Check the labels, distributors, producers, artists...there's no life there anymore. As soon as a famous producer says "the label doesn't want house music from me anymore", everyone rakes him over the coals...but...wait...he's TELLING ALL OF YOU THE WAY IT IS!
So be mad at me all you want. Big FCUKIN' DEAL!!! I'm so ashamed of myself for putting that shit where you all live...in your own little minds...
Everyone can't be a fan, yall. Someone has to be RESPONSIBLE!
Suckaz. Phew. [/QB][/QUOTE]
your killin 'em(with some logic) Danny
and that "who ever your carryng crates 4" line is
serious
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?). </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right concerning monetary success, if indeed that's solely what hip hop's success is based upon, also assuming the economy circa 1979 is the same as it is in 2003. Record prices being the same, concert ticket revenues also being the same. I don't watch "That 70's Show". My apologies......JMJ
Ron la Rock
11-09-2003, 03:23 PM
once again hiphop & house have the same roots & have similar stories (of rejection and outlawness and quite revilutionary at that) & IMO are the flip of the same coin but like has been pointed out 1 evryoner knows the other don't nobody give a **** about
and YES
"I LOVE HOUSE" but we have 2 be real and self critical if were gonna BE HERE..anywhere on the map
by the way
I;M STLL PISSED AT THE TIESTO THREAD
remeMber where this guy was suppose 2 be a joke yet his shit was packed and killin and our shits be whack and slippin ans stop with tired excuses and the cliche sayins (house ain't 4 everyone /evryone can'T understand...blah blah..blaH) graemlins/puke.gif
The Buddy Love Show
11-09-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]But there was money in disco/house:
Casablanca
West End
Profile
Atlantic
RCA
Studio 54
The Saint
The Garage
The Loft
Zanzibar
Les Mouches
Roxy
Electric Circus
Xenon
Bonds International
KTU
BLS
KISS
and so many other names all existed AT THE SAME TIME - there were dance depts, record pools ( remember those) recognizable stars, and stations all devoted to dance with millions of people participating in the disco frorm and its offshoots. Now peeps dance to a different beat and that beat is hiphop
There was A LOT of money surrounding disco and a culture of glamor and wealth associated with it ( Calvin Klein, Grace Jones, Herb Ritts, Jacqueline Onassis, Andy Warhol, Basquiat, Princess Caroline of Monaco and a cast of thousands of equally famous or near famous celebs)
house is dead
and the culture associated with it is fFAR from glamorous
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Platinum status was largely due to the commercial success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ
[ November 09, 2003, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?). </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right concerning monetary success, if indeed that's solely what hip hop's success is based upon, also assuming the economy circa 1979 is the same as it is in 2003. Record prices being the same, concert ticket revenues also being the same. I don't watch "That 70's Show". My apologies......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The monetary is just what we are talking about. That seems to be the yard stick a few people are using to measure the success of house vs hiphop. When they are saying house should be more like hiphop yhat is what I am coming away with. I could be wrong. If they are talking from a creativity stand point one could argue hiphop(at least commercially successful hiphop) is no more progressive or creative than house.
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right.
[ November 09, 2003, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]But there was money in disco/house:
Casablanca
West End
Profile
Atlantic
RCA
Studio 54
The Saint
The Garage
The Loft
Zanzibar
Les Mouches
Roxy
Electric Circus
Xenon
Bonds International
KTU
BLS
KISS
and so many other names all existed AT THE SAME TIME - there were dance depts, record pools ( remember those) recognizable stars, and stations all devoted to dance with millions of people participating in the disco frorm and its offshoots. Now peeps dance to a different beat and that beat is hiphop
There was A LOT of money surrounding disco and a culture of glamor and wealth associated with it ( Calvin Klein, Grace Jones, Herb Ritts, Jacqueline Onassis, Andy Warhol, Basquiat, Princess Caroline of Monaco and a cast of thousands of equally famous or near famous celebs)
house is dead
and the culture associated with it is fFAR from glamorous </font>[/QUOTE]Great point. Then is resurrection possible? If so what is the answer as you see it?
[ November 09, 2003, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]
Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own
11-09-2003, 03:57 PM
To whom it may concern you all should go and start ya own board, for your personal Bull spit because you aint not'en but a bunch'a sucka's anyway so make a peace sign with your two fingers drop the index finger and go F*** ya selfs, say what you will to me i dont give a flying f*** about what you say because nobody knows ya a** anyway.
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?). </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right concerning monetary success, if indeed that's solely what hip hop's success is based upon, also assuming the economy circa 1979 is the same as it is in 2003. Record prices being the same, concert ticket revenues also being the same. I don't watch "That 70's Show". My apologies......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The monetary is just what we are talking about. That seems to be the yard stick a few people are using to measure the success of house vs hiphop. When they are saying house should be more like hiphop yhat is what I am coming away with. I could be wrong. If they are talking from a creativity stand point one could argue hiphop(at least commercially successful hiphop) is no more progressive or creative than house. </font>[/QUOTE]House CAN'T be like hip-hop economically now, and probably will never be without an infusion of new blood, and commercial radio, major label, and multi-media support. Again, to say that disco wasn't a money maker was completely incorrect, and to compare it monetarily to hip hop was an unfair comparison. If an LP costs $5.99 in 1979, and a CD is $14.99 today, how can you compare the two?? A concert ticket in 1979 costs $10-15. A Michael Jackson ticket costs $25 in 1987. How much do you pay now?? How much money would hip hop make on $10 tickets??.......JMJ
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?). </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right concerning monetary success, if indeed that's solely what hip hop's success is based upon, also assuming the economy circa 1979 is the same as it is in 2003. Record prices being the same, concert ticket revenues also being the same. I don't watch "That 70's Show". My apologies......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The monetary is just what we are talking about. That seems to be the yard stick a few people are using to measure the success of house vs hiphop. When they are saying house should be more like hiphop yhat is what I am coming away with. I could be wrong. If they are talking from a creativity stand point one could argue hiphop(at least commercially successful hiphop) is no more progressive or creative than house. </font>[/QUOTE]House CAN'T be like hip-hop economically now, and probably will never be without an infusion of new blood, and commercial radio, major label, and multi-media support. Again, to say that disco wasn't a money maker was completely incorrect, and to compare it monetarily to hip hop was an unfair comparison. If an LP costs $5.99 in 1979, and a CD is $14.99 today, how can you compare the two?? A concert ticket in 1979 costs $10-15. A Michael Jackson ticket costs $25 in 1987. How much do you pay now?? How much money would hip hop make on $10 tickets??.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Ahh... But is that not the comparison the nay sayers are using?
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent.
[ November 09, 2003, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? </font>[/QUOTE]Answer my questions......JMJ
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]There was a TON of money in disco, and disco WAS accepted by the mainstream. Who do you think bought disco records back then?? DJ's??......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Not like there is in hiphop. If so it would never have left. No way record companies would let that type of money go away. Disco/House has NEVER had the type of mainstream(monetary) success hip hop has. That was my point. The mainstream was burning Disco records in Komisky(sp?). </font>[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right concerning monetary success, if indeed that's solely what hip hop's success is based upon, also assuming the economy circa 1979 is the same as it is in 2003. Record prices being the same, concert ticket revenues also being the same. I don't watch "That 70's Show". My apologies......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The monetary is just what we are talking about. That seems to be the yard stick a few people are using to measure the success of house vs hiphop. When they are saying house should be more like hiphop yhat is what I am coming away with. I could be wrong. If they are talking from a creativity stand point one could argue hiphop(at least commercially successful hiphop) is no more progressive or creative than house. </font>[/QUOTE]House CAN'T be like hip-hop economically now, and probably will never be without an infusion of new blood, and commercial radio, major label, and multi-media support. Again, to say that disco wasn't a money maker was completely incorrect, and to compare it monetarily to hip hop was an unfair comparison. If an LP costs $5.99 in 1979, and a CD is $14.99 today, how can you compare the two?? A concert ticket in 1979 costs $10-15. A Michael Jackson ticket costs $25 in 1987. How much do you pay now?? How much money would hip hop make on $10 tickets??.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Ahh... But is that not the comparison the nay sayers are using? </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not a nay sayer. Just looking at this objectively......JMJ
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not about who knows more, or that disco is or is not commercially equal to hip hop. You stated that disco wasn't a money maker. That's incorrect. The war expert comparison is irrelevent unless you are annointing yourself as a disco expert. Lastly, your age is very relevent in this case.......JMJ
[ November 09, 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not about who knows more, or that disco is or is not commercially equal to hip hop. You stated that disco wasn't a money maker. That's incorrect. Your age is very relevent.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Then I concede that point. What killed Disco? Is it possible that House was never alive(using Dannys definition)? I never heard it on MTV. Did House ever make a ton of money?
[ November 09, 2003, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not about who knows more, or that disco is or is not commercially equal to hip hop. You stated that disco wasn't a money maker. That's incorrect. Your age is very relevent.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Then I concede that point. What killed Disco? Is it possible that House was never alive(using Dannys definition)? I never heard it on MTV. Did House ever make a ton of money? </font>[/QUOTE]What killed disco?? Changing social values, AIDS, disco's lack of evolution. It was seen as a fad that had run it's course. MTV wasn't ready for house music and vice-versa. House music videos weren't MTV quality for the most part. House never made hip-hop money.......JMJ
alex zen
11-09-2003, 04:37 PM
what did jello biafra say? oh yeah, punk's not dead it just deserves to die.
death is not always the end: reincarnation. change can be healthy for people and for music so instead of fighting change let's try to direct it.
la verde
11-09-2003, 04:43 PM
What killed disco?? [/QB]disco duck killed disco
Huey P. Freeman
11-09-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not about who knows more, or that disco is or is not commercially equal to hip hop. You stated that disco wasn't a money maker. That's incorrect. The war expert comparison is irrelevent unless you are annointing yourself as a disco expert. Lastly, your age is very relevent in this case.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The comparison IS acurate in that it shows that age has very little to do in how well versed someone can be in a particular subject. So I say again my age is irrelevent.
Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />What killed disco?? disco duck killed disco [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Rick Dees got PAID. It did suck though.....JMJ
la verde
11-09-2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />What killed disco?? disco duck killed disco </font>[/QUOTE]Rick Dees got PAID. It did suck though.....JMJ [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]but then again, was Rick Dees really disco?
Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Eargasm - Did you know that the creation of the Gold and Platinum status awards were largely due to the success of Disco singles?? The first Platinum single (1,000,000 sold) awarded by the RIAA was to Johnny Taylor - Disco Lady in 1976. So just WHO bought those copies of Disco Lady?? 1,000,000 DJ's??.......JMJ No I know all the sales were not Djs, but that is a SINGLE. Not an album. Some Disco singles were highly successful. But from a money standpoint if you are arguing that Disco was as successful as hiphop(commercially) I think we both know that is not true. If it were it would not have "died". I am not trying to take anything away from Disco. But from a commercial sucess standpoint these guys have a point. If that is what they mean by dead then they are right. </font>[/QUOTE]How old were you in 1979?? Had you ever bought a record?? How much did a record cost?? Please answer those three questions. No cheating either......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]So is your assertion that Disco, all things being equal, was as commercially successful as hiphop is today? And I'm not claiming to know more than you JMJ. Just discussing. Are there WWII experts who were young at the time or never fought in the war? My age in this convo is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not about who knows more, or that disco is or is not commercially equal to hip hop. You stated that disco wasn't a money maker. That's incorrect. The war expert comparison is irrelevent unless you are annointing yourself as a disco expert. Lastly, your age is very relevent in this case.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]The comparison IS acurate in that it shows that age has very little to do in how well versed someone can be in a particular subject. So I say again my age is irrelevent. </font>[/QUOTE]False in this case. You didn't learn to DJ by reading a book, did you?? To live and experience something cannot be replicated by reading a book. Accurate = acurate.....JMJ
Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />What killed disco?? disco duck killed disco </font>[/QUOTE]Rick Dees got PAID. It did suck though.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]but then again, was Rick Dees really disco? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Not at all.....JMJ
la verde
11-09-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />What killed disco?? disco duck killed disco </font>[/QUOTE]Rick Dees got PAID. It did suck though.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]but then again, was Rick Dees really disco? </font>[/QUOTE]Not at all.....JMJ [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/beerchug.gif
Originally posted by alex zen:
death is not always the end: reincarnation. change can be healthy for people and for music so instead of fighting change let's try to direct it. It's happening ...
[ November 09, 2003, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]
The Buddy Love Show
11-09-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />What killed disco?? disco duck killed disco </font>[/QUOTE]Rick Dees got PAID. It did suck though.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]but then again, was Rick Dees really disco? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I'm looking for a copy of Disco Duck...i emember it having a nice bassline
Ron la Rock
11-09-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]But there was money in disco/house:
Casablanca
West End
Profile
Atlantic
RCA
Studio 54
The Saint
The Garage
The Loft
Zanzibar
Les Mouches
Roxy
Electric Circus
Xenon
Bonds International
KTU
BLS
KISS
and so many other names all existed AT THE SAME TIME - there were dance depts, record pools ( remember those) recognizable stars, and stations all devoted to dance with millions of people participating in the disco frorm and its offshoots. Now peeps dance to a different beat and that beat is hiphop
There was A LOT of money surrounding disco and a culture of glamor and wealth associated with it ( Calvin Klein, Grace Jones, Herb Ritts, Jacqueline Onassis, Andy Warhol, Basquiat, Princess Caroline of Monaco and a cast of thousands of equally famous or near famous celebs)
house is dead
and the culture associated with it is fFAR from glamorous </font>[/QUOTE]THSTHE PART OF THE BOARD WICH GETS ME (WHY DO I LET IT graemlins/conf44.gif ) ITS 1 MINUTE ACCURETE HISTORYS THEN WHEN THESE CATS DISAGREE WITH a POINT OF VIEW OR MORE REFERENCE OF THAT HISTORY IT TOTALLY BECOMES SOME REVISIONIST ZION MOVEMENT
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
now of coarse it will be this is something else than what disco was about and it had an over ground and an underground and some serious off shoots as well
Bold Soul
11-09-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Of course house is dead
NO MONEY IN IT
most people want to hear hiphop and r&b...and they vote with thei dollars
producers in this scene are giving up and getting jobs or switching to rap or pop
the only people who are delusional enough to think this scene is thriving are the 15oo or so people in metropolii (?) whoi go to the local clubs and deify their house heroes - who are ignored by the MILLIONS who live in these locales
Major independent house labels have folded and the majors have dropped their dance departments
y'all wanna keep jerking off onto concrete go ahead - i'd rather spill my seed into moe fertile ground Was there ever really alot of money in it? Even in the days of Disco(Yup house is just a different name for Disco) it was not very accepted by the mainstream. For reasons of biggotry more than anything else(Nigger, Spic and Faggot music). In the early 80's when Disco died(Is it really dead? I could have swore I've heard some lately. :rolleyes: ) It evolved into what we call house. There has NEVER been any money in house(If you are using hiphop as a measuring stick). You can at least concede that point can't you? </font>[/QUOTE]But there was money in disco/house:
Casablanca
West End
Profile
Atlantic
RCA
Studio 54
The Saint
The Garage
The Loft
Zanzibar
Les Mouches
Roxy
Electric Circus
Xenon
Bonds International
KTU
BLS
KISS
and so many other names all existed AT THE SAME TIME - there were dance depts, record pools ( remember those) recognizable stars, and stations all devoted to dance with millions of people participating in the disco frorm and its offshoots. Now peeps dance to a different beat and that beat is hiphop
There was A LOT of money surrounding disco and a culture of glamor and wealth associated with it ( Calvin Klein, Grace Jones, Herb Ritts, Jacqueline Onassis, Andy Warhol, Basquiat, Princess Caroline of Monaco and a cast of thousands of equally famous or near famous celebs)
house is dead
and the culture associated with it is fFAR from glamorous </font>[/QUOTE]THSTHE PART OF THE BOARD WICH GETS ME (WHY DO I LET IT graemlins/conf44.gif ) ITS 1 MINUTE ACCURETE HISTORYS THEN WHEN THESE CATS DISAGREE WITH a POINT OF VIEW OR MORE REFERENCE OF THAT HISTORY IT TOTALLY BECOMES SOME REVISIONIST ZION MOVEMENT
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
now of coarse it will be this is something else than what disco was about and it had an over ground and an underground and some serious off shoots as well </font>[/QUOTE]House is like disco...unless it isn't...then it isn't and it should've never been like disco...unless it was like disco...but it ain't hip hop...unless it is...
Why can't muhphukas feel the absence of LOGIC in their tangents?
the crackhouse
11-10-2003, 02:37 AM
Well, I'm coming long time after the beginning of this thread and it has evolved from the subject.
I needed to say that I don't think that putting "My bedroom, it's house !" on the board just to put some interesting subjects like "is house dead ?" in the archives and not let it be discussed is an opinion, a statement, an argument or anything intelligent.
Just admit it, it's a runaway, it's facism. Like I have the biggest mouth but nothing clever comes out of it, but you'll get bored and I'll have the final word.
WHICH IS NOT HAVING A POINT ABOUT THE SUBJECT !
" -House is dead.
- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- But...
- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
- i think that...
- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !"
WHAT'S THE MUTCHAFUGGIN POINT ?!!!!!
When I see GU coming here 1 time in a month and telling everyone he's mixin somewhere, or blaming someone, or givin the Godfather of house wisdom to us poor house kids and dumb people, or even giving orders to other people, it makes me sick !
What do you think GU, that you own house and any kind of wisdom ?
Hijacking the entire board with your friends and ass kissers (but it's not your fault, they act like they want)is not a solution. You can't come in one day in a month and play the big chief. You have to go to the church at least one time a week.
Good Lord, it's our house, not your house. You're in, don't try to put us outside, just share.
And for these "house is dead" topics, why wouldn't we discuss if some people think it actually is dead ?
These are not statements, these are starting points of a discuss.
House is alive in France, if it's not in some parts of the US, we have to do something about it if someone needs it. Why can't some people here who live from house can't give solutions to the others about parties, how to mount a house label, how to produce a good track, how to bring parties with a financial help from your city, etc..?
And stop thoses childish "I know better than you, I'm older than you, I was there..." Cause music hits the fan, and the oldest can get trapped in memories and the youngest can be uneducated. But the olders can be wiser and the youngers can be more creative.
And I don't mind hearin some "big mouth" talking if there is some depht in the typing. Lot of people are impressed and frightenned by Magus, JMJ, Danny or some other posters because they have a mouth. But it's not agression, it's just that you have SOMEONE in front f you so stop the little figts and accept to affront REAL arguments.
Why do you post here for ?
Why are you here ?
Just for fights, just for thoughts, or just for acts ?
House blablabla what's the point ? You wanna have fun or the last word of an internet discussion ? Are you passionated or just arguing ?
My 2 billions.
BHouse
11-10-2003, 02:47 AM
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Martin Red
11-10-2003, 04:55 AM
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