When is an opinion an insult??

[richierich]

If something is bad to you whatever it is should you say anything about it or say nothing?? I know people like opinions when they are good so why not be able to take the bad with the good? Some may just be on attack mode but some may just be voicing their true opinions about something. Everything is not always good yet some always want to give the impression that it is. Example a party that was lame is not supposed to be mentioned but when it's good everyone wants it known. This is IMO one sided and false. I'm not talking about personal attacks or hidden agendas, I'm talking about just an honest opinion about stuff. It seems that either some can't handle the truth or don't want to hear it unless it's a good review. Some seem to be so protective of House that they just don't want others to know that it aint all good all the time..yet we can sure dog out Hip-Hop.

[ November 13, 2003, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Jamie 3:26]

House-o-crits.....double ass standards.trust me,if I rerally told the truth on some of the local shit that folks here blow up,when it ain't shit,I'd be a wanted man.

That's the same thing as being jealous when someone throws a set and it's jumpin and yours are not.

Hell ask them what they did to make their joint jump.Pride is a sin....

[däp]

opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's butt. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you?

[ November 13, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

[TAC]

Karma = eventually, an amp blows and you are a** out...

[richierich]

Originally posted by t o r i n:
opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's but. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you? I'm talking about just having an honest opinion. If everybody agrees..somebody is lying. If you don't like something. are you supposed to just shut up??? If ya don't want the truth..DON'T ASK!! I don't see anyone getting pissed when they tell you that you beat the box or saying keep your thoughts to yourself. Keep shit real!! Again I'm not talking about vicious attacks just to be on attack mode.I'm talking about an honest Key word HONEST opinion.

[ November 13, 2003, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Bill Blake]

Karma is one of the few bars left that you can smoke at in New York.

[Bold Soul]

"Karma" is bullshit. Rich people get food to eat. Poor people get Karma.

I practice a form of Rapid Karma - someone comes in between me and mine and they get smashed. See - karma happened and you don't have to wait 1000 years and two lifetimes.

[ November 13, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[mhd]

karma is just a word

[Jamie 3:26]

To some,they may not believe in Karma.I have experienced something that I put out there and how it came back 2wice as hard.

I believe.My bank account does too...

[richierich]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
"Karma" is bullshit. Rich people get food to eat. Poor people get Karma.

I practice a form of Rapid Karma - someone comes in between me and mine and they get smashed. See - karma happened and you don't have to wait 1000 years and two lifetimes. Gotcha!!

[däp]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's but. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you? I'm talking about just having an honest opinion. If everybody agrees..somebody is lying. If you don't like something. are you supposed to just shut up??? If ya don't want the truth..DON'T ASK!! </font>[/QUOTE]your last statement says it all. additionally, if you put your stuff out there, plan to be critiqued and some of it may not be nice.

there will always be varying opinions on subjects. it's just odd to hear colleagues critique one another publicly and unwarranted. i have been guilty of this and have since learned to chill.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
karma is just a word No man its a bar that use to have hot women bartenders (that all wanted me of course) and its right around the corner from dancetracks.

You can still smoke there but that means everyone has to be id'ed before you get served even if you have going there since the 70s.

I lost my id so cant drink there right now and it really sucks, thats Karma dude.

Oh and happy hour is 3 dollar drinks man! Til 8

[ November 13, 2003, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[däp]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
"Karma" is bullshit. Rich people get food to eat. Poor people get Karma.

I practice a form of Rapid Karma - someone comes in between me and mine and they get smashed. See - karma happened and you don't have to wait 1000 years and two lifetimes.
Originally posted by mhd:
karma is just a word i agree with these exmaples but i do believe that what goes around "sometimes" comes around. of course bad things happen to people who don't deserve it. is that karma? probably not.

[richierich]

Originally posted by t o r i n:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's but. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you? I'm talking about just having an honest opinion. If everybody agrees..somebody is lying. If you don't like something. are you supposed to just shut up??? If ya don't want the truth..DON'T ASK!! </font>[/QUOTE]your last statement says it all. additionally, if you put your stuff out there, plan to be critiqued and some of it may not be nice.

there will always be varying opinions on subjects. it's just odd to hear colleagues critique one another publicly and unwarranted. i have been guilty of this and have since learned to chill. </font>[/QUOTE]That's just it if you put your stuff out there or yourself for that matter be prepared to be critiqued and it may not be all good. So why trip if someone says it's not good?

[däp]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's but. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you? I'm talking about just having an honest opinion. If everybody agrees..somebody is lying. If you don't like something. are you supposed to just shut up??? If ya don't want the truth..DON'T ASK!! </font>[/QUOTE]your last statement says it all. additionally, if you put your stuff out there, plan to be critiqued and some of it may not be nice.

there will always be varying opinions on subjects. it's just odd to hear colleagues critique one another publicly and unwarranted. i have been guilty of this and have since learned to chill. </font>[/QUOTE]That's just it if you put your stuff out there or yourself for that matter be prepared to be critiqued and it may not be all good. So why trip if someone says it's not good? </font>[/QUOTE]honestly rich. for me it would depend on who that "someone" is. if it's a crowded club that walks out the door after my third record then...

[Jamie 3:26]

Hey,you gotta be able to take the good with the bad.When dj's talk shit,that's one thing,when hardcore party people talk about a cat being terrible,that ways a hell of a lot more to m as a dj.

I could care less what a dj says about me,cause I may not feel them,but I have tact.There's a away to go about doignm things.Some folks do it crass,I prefer class... ;)

There may be a reason certain dj's are not being hired...that's where the hard truth comes in,but sometimes if you tell the truth,you piss folks off....and that's a whole different can of worms there..

[richierich]

Originally posted by t o r i n:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
opinions are like assholes! you should never blow smoke up someone's but. that's weak. i do believe in karma. do you? I'm talking about just having an honest opinion. If everybody agrees..somebody is lying. If you don't like something. are you supposed to just shut up??? If ya don't want the truth..DON'T ASK!! </font>[/QUOTE]your last statement says it all. additionally, if you put your stuff out there, plan to be critiqued and some of it may not be nice.

there will always be varying opinions on subjects. it's just odd to hear colleagues critique one another publicly and unwarranted. i have been guilty of this and have since learned to chill. </font>[/QUOTE]That's just it if you put your stuff out there or yourself for that matter be prepared to be critiqued and it may not be all good. So why trip if someone says it's not good? </font>[/QUOTE]honestly rich. for me it would depend on who that "someone" is. if it's a crowded club that walks out the door after my third record then... </font>[/QUOTE]Gotcha and I know EXACTLY what ya mean by that as well. It does happen. Some will bash you just because thay don't like you personally. Some will hold your nuts because they want to be in your good graces for whatever reason..Hidden motives. Just do your best and let the chips fall where they may and EXPECT for someone to have a negative opinion be it sincere or not.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

http://www.johnlewis.com/jl_assets/product/230167219.jpg

Make a statement or an opinion that doesn't sit with the majority, you're considered a hater.


http://images.usatoday.com/news/healthscience/science/aaas/images/2002-04-05-lions.gif

Make a statement and sit with it, do your thang, you have all the info and proof, yet they still call you a hater.


People take things to personal at times with some of the subject matter on this board.

Peace

[richierich]

I agree Jaimie. You should be able to take critism as well as comlpiments. Damn seems like I've said this in another life..but anyway. Yeah the party people matter most. DJs sometimes tend to think(even if you've got the crowd going nuts)Oh he/she aint doin' shit I can't do. Or I got all those records already. That's cool but why aren't you out playing it then?? Aw that's right you wanted to see how others would respond before you play it. This DJ culture shit sucks rotten eggs to me. I just love music and don't care If I'm playing it at home or in front of a packed floor..I just wanna hear it..period be it me playing it or someone else.

IT AINT ABOUT THE DJ IT'S ABOUT THE PARTY!! YOU ARE NOT A CELEBRITY YOU ARE ONLY PLAYING RECORDS!!

[ November 13, 2003, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[MusicFilter]

An opinion is a belief held with confidence but not sustantiated by positive knowledge. 2.A conclusion based on special knowledge. 3. A judgement of the value of a person or thing.

By it's nature an opinion is cloaked in insult (possibly). One's opionion is only substantiated by their experience or proof of their knowledge. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[däp]

we shouldn't be tearing each other down. some people do a good job of it on their own (meaning, tearing themselves down). we've got to learn to support each other (deservedly), build alliances and create useful networks. this doesn't mean putting someone on before he's ready even if he's your boy.

i will critique someone if they ask. while i consider myself a professional, i don't pretend to know it all. if you're a friend, it may even get ugly but that's what friend are for, right?

too many people talking shit and doing nothing else. that's what bothers me and today i decided to sound off.

[ November 13, 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

[imported_BILL HARDY]

Stay focused; Thats the reality in one's individuality.

[richierich]

If you are playing for accolades that's one thing..If you are playing just because you love music that's another. Do your thang..but realize that A DJ is only as good as the MUSIC he/she plays...So it's really about the music and the people that are paying to come and hear it. But don't think people are not gonna have an opinion because we all do be it good or bad.

Let's not pretend that all parties are the bomb and everyone can beat the box!!

[ November 13, 2003, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[MusicFilter]

Originally posted by t o r i n:
we shouldn't be tearing each other down. some people do a good job of it on their own (meaning, tearing themselves down). we've got to learn to support each other (deservedly), build alliances and create useful networks. this doesn't mean putting someone on before he's ready even if he's your boy.

i will critique someone if they ask. while i consider myself a professional, i don't pretend to know it all. if you're a friend, it may even get ugly but that's what friend are for, right?

too many people talking shit and doing nothing else. that's what bothers me and today i decided to sound off. I agree Torin. Now if you are writing about your experience, it's not necessarily a criticism. I did this when writing about that "Ron Hardy" CD Release party mad1.gif from there it took on a life of it's own.

Now when someone writes to critique someone elses mixes like "you were sent down from on high to bless us with your music" that's wrong. Unless it's being heard live by many people, then we all can have the same opinion.

Either way what we say or think could either help or hurt someone.

Does it make it any better to preface or follow your critique or opinion with "It's just my opinion"?

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by BILL HARDY:
Stay focused; Thats the reality in one's individuality. Focus is part of it - but the courage to be vulnerable is the closer.

Growth requires vulnerability. One must have the courage to share and the strength to endure the pain of receiving what comes from it.

As a filmmaker, the second to most excrutiating thing is the test screening. The most excrutiating thing is people walking out after the first ten minutes...and don't forget those wonderful comment cards you get to go home with.

Shit - J. Lennie, Ultra and Tam Tam just about saved my flick with their honest assessment of one scene that dragged the whole thing down. Everyone else was content to laugh at me out of sight, but they shared. Did the shit hurt - HELL YEA. Taking it on the chin was what saved me.

Being an artist isn't something you do. It's a lifestyle, and the elements of that lifestyle include rejection, ridicule, criticism and apathy.

[MusicFilter]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BILL HARDY:
Stay focused; Thats the reality in one's individuality. Focus is part of it - but the courage to be vulnerable is the closer.

Growth requires vulnerability. One must have the courage to share and the strength to endure the pain of receiving what comes from it.

As a filmmaker, the second to most excrutiating thing is the test screening. The most excrutiating thing is people walking out after the first ten minutes...and don't forget those wonderful comment cards you get to go home with.

Shit - J. Lennie, Ultra and Tam Tam just about saved my flick with their honest assessment of one scene that dragged the whole thing down. Everyone else was content to laugh at me out of sight, but they shared. Did the shit hurt - HELL YEA. Taking it on the chin was what saved me.

Being an artist isn't something you do. It's a lifestyle, and the elements of that lifestyle include rejection, ridicule, criticism and apathy. </font>[/QUOTE]Damn Danny you're hittin' em out of the park today.

Maybe you're not as bad as they say. icon_rofl.gif

[Bold Soul]

chgodj3 - no, they had it right.

[richierich]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BILL HARDY:
Stay focused; Thats the reality in one's individuality. Focus is part of it - but the courage to be vulnerable is the closer.

Growth requires vulnerability. One must have the courage to share and the strength to endure the pain of receiving what comes from it.

As a filmmaker, the second to most excrutiating thing is the test screening. The most excrutiating thing is people walking out after the first ten minutes...and don't forget those wonderful comment cards you get to go home with.

Shit - J. Lennie, Ultra and Tam Tam just about saved my flick with their honest assessment of one scene that dragged the whole thing down. Everyone else was content to laugh at me out of sight, but they shared. Did the shit hurt - HELL YEA. Taking it on the chin was what saved me.

Being an artist isn't something you do. It's a lifestyle, and the elements of that lifestyle include rejection, ridicule, criticism and apathy. </font>[/QUOTE]Big ups on that..ya gotta be ready for what comes from your craft ridicule or accolades. IF YA CAN'T TAKE THE RIIDICULE YA NEED TO STAY OUT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT GAME. I'd rather you tell me I tanked than to lie and say it was all good when you know in your heart that it wasn't..way too much of that going around.

[ November 13, 2003, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Bold Soul]

Funny - two famous females in Rap came...together...'cause it's like THAT...they occupied their 2-ways and talked on their cell phones for the first 20 minutes...looked up, paid attention to maybe half a scene AND BOUNCED! On the way out of the screening room, one of the people working the door told me they said my film was bullshit.

Man, I've got stories. icon_rofl.gif

[ November 13, 2003, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[DJ George Bates]

An opinion is an insult when the opinion is meant to attack PERSONALLY... key word.

You can offer or give an opinion without being malicious....

I've heard people who i admired and let them know....immediately and enthusiastically !

Also i have heard performances that I thought ( my opinion ) were not up to par and explained why i thought that...

I can accept opinions and critical comments....they all help you improve if done in the right spirit....

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
An opinion is an insult when the opinion is meant to attack PERSONALLY... key word.
Very true.

When a opinion is the truth - even if hurtful towards a person(s) - the opinion then becomes fact and no longer has the "Grey Area" status of the word opinion.

Example: If I DJ at a club and 7 out of 10 people there say "He's Wack" - that make the opinion the truth.

What kills me is...when a person is in that or some other situation - and they use the term "aquired taste" in an effort to bring validity of their actions. In that case the term "Aquired Taste" is really a scapegoat term ONLY being used to save face.

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