Most, people would love "real" house music if they were exposed to it...

[TAC]

I steadily work on the people in my office. The mail room people always bring me the music that I mail order.

Occasionally, I allow them to run off and make a copy of something that I feel they should hear. More often that not, they come back "screaming where can [they] get more of this stuff?"

Today, I stopped in at the Shelter site, and Glenn’s song was ripping. I asked the mailroom person if he wanted to hear something. We closed my door, and I let it rip. His eyes almost came out of his head when he heard the song.

Yes, I am convinced that most people would eat this stuff up if they could hear it on the regular. After all, the kid almost jumped out of his skin.

Peace
TAC

[ May 01, 2003, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[Leslie]

I agree.

[Sensei Melei]

You will find that good music will have that effect on most anyone if/when they are exposed to it.

I had my boy's father hit me up for a cd the other day. Imagine Fred Sanford getting his groove on to Glenn Underground's "Black Action".

[AD]

I don't agree. I think they would love gabber even more than house music. graemlins/rofl.gif

[MC]

Very True....Funny you say that...A buddy from work came over to my house for the first time, and he always is interested in new/different genres of music. After a few bowls I put on some music. I played Serge Ponsar-"Out in the Night", My Mine-"Hypnotic Tango", Midnight Star-"Scientific Love", GQ-"Disco Nights", Lime-"Angel Eyes", etc. He was going nuts, he mentioned how funky it was. He really was never exposed to underground dance stuff. So I tried to play the stuff that got me into it. I was trying to school him...(I hate when I get excited and want to show someone 5 songs at a time :D )

[ May 01, 2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Michael J. Carmona ]

[DeesKo]

I agree completely. I also think house music needs more of this type of "fan" ... people who just want to go out and have a good time and do their thing and just like the music on the most informal level.

It can get stale/old/stagnate when its just a bunch of people who all take the music and everything surrounding it very seriously. You need the serious people to help guide things, but you need the simple fan to make the circle complete.

Related to your experience and people misunderstanding the music sometimes... my step-father passed away about a month ago. I was home visiting my mom this past weekend and played Blaze's 'Thank You' and "Wishing You Were Here" for her. She was absolutely BLOWN AWAY by the music. She immediately asked me to burn copies for her and for a couple of my cousins.

She'd always equated what I called "dance music" to something else and just had no clue. We sat and talked for a while about house music, about DJ'ing, about the mental and spiritual aspects of the music, the clubs and the people. I told her that at the first gig I had after his passing, I'd played "Wishing You Were Here" as my final statement to his spirit and told her about seeing other people in the crowd feeling that song in the same manner as I was, etc etc and she just sat there and cried for about 15 minutes from a combination of the music and the memories, but it also helped lift her spirits a little bit and gave her a whole new understanding of why I put so much effort into what I'm doing.....

anyway.. that was rambling but its sorta related smile.gif


So when's your co-worker(s) gonna become DJ's.. you kinda have to if you want to enjoy house music right ? ;)

Peace

[Leslie]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
I agree completely. I also think house music needs more of this type of "fan" ... people who just want to go out and have a good time and do their thing and just like the music on the most informal level.

It can get stale/old/stagnate when its just a bunch of people who all take the music and everything surrounding it very seriously. You need the serious people to help guide things, but you need the simple fan to make the circle complete.

hail.gif graemlins/clap.gif

[Monny JcIntosh]

They're probably just indulging the boss. I do it all the time.

[Ben.]

non house music people at my old office always used to like my music, I had a subwoofer under my desk at that place :D

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
They're probably just indulging the boss. I do it all the time. I was thinking the same thing...

I think it will catch on to someone who is open to it...

[D J 1 3 8]

We got to teach these folks!
That's exactly why I made this mix:

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028745

[TAC]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
That's exactly why I made this mix:

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028745 Shameless... :rolleyes:

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
That's exactly why I made this mix:

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028745 Shameless... :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]:D yeah but what are you gonna do...
you must admit, at least it is topical :D

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

A buddy of mine plays funk/jazz on tuesdays at a small bar here in town and I agreed to help him setup the system while he went went to get his records. I had the decks/speakers, etc setup but nothing to play to make sure everything was working. I went back to my car and grabbed my copy of "Circa De Mi" that I had just bought and threw that on the decks to check the levels.

A woman sitting at the bar immediately asked me what track was playing. She took down all the info and as shw was leaving said "That's a wonderful song. Thanks for telling me about this!" Just takes the right tracks, I guess.

[MrLiam]

What i say from a personal point of view is that here in MALTA commercial house gets played a lot ie Daft Punk, Subliminal Stuff etc so people are already into the thing, but i have the Yellorange Tony Humphries sets in my car on in the weekend and all my friends finish influence badly to his music which is soulful.... :D
funny enough in the begining they say this is kind nice chillout house but then they all finish wanting more & when we go on our way to the club they all say to me how they wish we have this kind of music in the venues graemlins/acclaim.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
I agree completely. I also think house music needs more of this type of "fan" ... people who just want to go out and have a good time and do their thing and just like the music on the most informal level.

It can get stale/old/stagnate when its just a bunch of people who all take the music and everything surrounding it very seriously. You need the serious people to help guide things, but you need the simple fan to make the circle complete.

Related to your experience and people misunderstanding the music sometimes... my step-father passed away about a month ago. I was home visiting my mom this past weekend and played Blaze's 'Thank You' and "Wishing You Were Here" for her. She was absolutely BLOWN AWAY by the music. She immediately asked me to burn copies for her and for a couple of my cousins.

She'd always equated what I called "dance music" to something else and just had no clue. We sat and talked for a while about house music, about DJ'ing, about the mental and spiritual aspects of the music, the clubs and the people. I told her that at the first gig I had after his passing, I'd played "Wishing You Were Here" as my final statement to his spirit and told her about seeing other people in the crowd feeling that song in the same manner as I was, etc etc and she just sat there and cried for about 15 minutes from a combination of the music and the memories, but it also helped lift her spirits a little bit and gave her a whole new understanding of why I put so much effort into what I'm doing.....

anyway.. that was rambling but its sorta related smile.gif


So when's your co-worker(s) gonna become DJ's.. you kinda have to if you want to enjoy house music right ? ;)

Peace sorry to hear about your loss, peace

[Mack-Williams]

I had stayed at one of my friends fathers house when I went to Minnesota. I had Black Action playing in the room I was staying in. Her father came in asked me who was that. He thought it was a big time Jazz artist. I had to tell him it was a big time House artist. He loved the song.

[Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own]

Most people very much hear it when they have a chance and they like it a lot because real house music holds the true essence of good musical instrumentation and even the non house music listeners digs it right away, you see most of us came up in the 70's circa of live music, and with dance music today it pretty much holds(the same as the 70's) more substance then R&B of this era because the vocals in house are much more soulful and the bass is much heavier and you can feel, and music listeners did not forget that pure sound of anolog & acoustic essence that is essential in house house today in opinion, But the main thing is Dj's stop being students when you spin and become a teacher to the dance floor & stop playing for the like of other dj's, I had to learn that my self. graemlins/respekt.gif To the DHP

[JMNYC]

We live in a culture where people have preconceived notions based on labels.

If you say "I play house" people are going to draw assumptions - whether it be a Daft Punk/Dirty Vegas type preconception or a Chicago "Move Your Body", or Peter Rauhauffer's latest travesty - either way, it's pidgeon-holing good dance music because the name "house" has been over-used and applied to music that couldn't possibly all fit under the same umbrella.

When asked what I play, I make it a point to NOT say house (unless I know the person is musically intelligent enough to really understand) - I'll say "I play good music. You can dance to most of it, and you probably won't hear it on the radio. Other than that brief description, you're just gonna have to hear for yourself."

If Timmy was still being broadcast on the radio, lots of people would tune in and jam that have no clue what "house music" is. What would they call it?

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

[konbit]

People from every under-exposed genre give this same speech...about how people would like it if they heard it its "Real" form (which is a whole other problematic idea).

Undergound hip-hop heads, funky breaks ravers, Dixie jazz snobs, obscure, old-school country rednecks, folk music collectors, musical theater queens, etc. all say the same thing, and all have similar anecdotes.

The fact of the matter, though, is that "real" house music...just like those other genres, will never be the choice of "most" people, regardless of whether or not it gets more exposure.

[Querck]

Originally posted by konbit:
People from every under-exposed genre give this same speech...about how people would like it if they heard it its "Real" form (which is a whole other problematic idea).

Undergound hip-hop heads, funky breaks ravers, Dixie jazz snobs, obscure, old-school country rednecks, folk music collectors, musical theater queens, etc. all say the same thing, and all have similar anecdotes.

The fact of the matter, though, is that "real" house music...just like those other genres, will never be the choice of "most" people, regardless of whether or not it gets more exposure. Why? Explain why most people will not choose "real" house music.

[TAC]

Originally posted by konbit:
People from every under-exposed genre give this same speech...about how people would like it if they heard it its "Real" form (which is a whole other problematic idea).

Undergound hip-hop heads, funky breaks ravers, Dixie jazz snobs, obscure, old-school country rednecks, folk music collectors, musical theater queens, etc. all say the same thing, and all have similar anecdotes.

The fact of the matter, though, is that "real" house music...just like those other genres, will never be the choice of "most" people, regardless of whether or not it gets more exposure. Actually, since your not reading between the lines and interpreting the statement in its broadest sense, I was really talking about "Black" people, as opposed to "most" people. I used most so as not to generate a 200 post race thread. Oh well so much for that...

Rethink the topic, and see if it makes a little more sense.

The kid that walk into my Office was actually a Hip/Hop head, and I filpped when started to to through some moves to the House beat. Can you explain that?

Peace
TAC

[JL]

I agree with Konbit, it's for the same reasons that some people don't like "real" bluegrass or "real" country or "real" whatever.

[TAC]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by konbit:
People from every under-exposed genre give this same speech...about how people would like it if they heard it its "Real" form (which is a whole other problematic idea).

Undergound hip-hop heads, funky breaks ravers, Dixie jazz snobs, obscure, old-school country rednecks, folk music collectors, musical theater queens, etc. all say the same thing, and all have similar anecdotes.

The fact of the matter, though, is that "real" house music...just like those other genres, will never be the choice of "most" people, regardless of whether or not it gets more exposure. Why? Explain why most people will not choose "real" house music. </font>[/QUOTE]In a sense, he's right, "most" people will not choose "real" house music. He's playing a numbers game. So be it, but there's more to the original post. Remember, your in the "Black House" ;)

Peace
TAC

[TAC]

Originally posted by JL:
I agree with Konbit, it's for the same reasons that some people don't like "real" bluegrass or "real" country or "real" whatever. But staying Kongit's statement, good music is good music period. No matter what it is.

There's a time and play for everything. Have you ever driven at 135 mph, listening to classical music while doing so. It quite a rush.

House has its own appropriate place and time. When experienced in its proper context, very few can resist it.

[JL]

Agreed, I think there's a slight distinction between our views here, but we're basically in agreement. Although I agree with you that given the proper context, good music of any genre can be appreciated by most people; that doesn't mean said appreciator would necessarily love the music.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by konbit:


The fact of the matter, though, is that "real" house music...just like those other genres, will never be the choice of "most" people, regardless of whether or not it gets more exposure. I totally agree with konbit.....and I mean it!!

[JL]

Also, I'm a bit guarded by your use of the qualifier "real" in your description of house - what makes it real? Granted the track you mentioned is instrumental and musical in nature, does that imply that a cut like Adonis "No Way Back" isn't "real" because it's raw, electronic, and more "technoy"?

[TAC]

Originally posted by JL:
Also, I'm a bit guarded by your use of the qualifier "real" in your description of house - what makes it real? Granted the track you mentioned is instrumental and musical in nature, does that imply that a cut like Adonis "No Way Back" isn't "real" because it's raw, electronic, and more "technoy"? real as in true to the roots... .

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JL:
Also, I'm a bit guarded by your use of the qualifier "real" in your description of house - what makes it real? Granted the track you mentioned is instrumental and musical in nature, does that imply that a cut like Adonis "No Way Back" isn't "real" because it's raw, electronic, and more "technoy"? Oh boy, we are not gonna dissect and nitpick now are we? I think we get the gist of what was meant.

shheeesssseee!

[TAC]

Originally posted by JL:
Agreed, I think there's a slight distinction between our views here, but we're basically in agreement. Although I agree with you that given the proper context, good music of any genre can be appreciated by most people; that doesn't mean said appreciator would necessarily love the music. You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is. A fair number of the people who say they don’t like house music say so because they have never experienced a butt nasty house party.

If you bring such people to a one, they become converts. Why? Simply because of the fun factor.

[ May 01, 2003, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[And]

and again I believe the lesson here is watch your "subjectives." "Real," & "True the roots," don't mean anything until placed within a very specific context ... "House Music" is too broad a context.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by 6 23:
and again I believe the lesson here is watch your "subjectives." "Real," & "True the roots," don't mean anything until placed within a very specific context ... "House Music" is too broad a context. this is what is killng our music and our scene....too much worrying about what each words may mean to each person....you know real when you hear it!! BAM!

[JL]

yes and no, i have several friends who have been exposed to house in many different settings who enjoy in marginally, and many others who don't feel it at all - to them "it all sounds the same". it isn't about semantics, it's about realism - although i love this music, i don't hold the belief that everyone else would too if they heard because my own experiences have taught me otherwise.

[TAC]

Originally posted by JL:
yes and no, i have several friends who have been exposed to house in many different settings who enjoy in marginally, and many others who don't feel it at all - to them "it all sounds the same". it isn't about semantics, it's about realism - although i love this music, i don't hold the belief that everyone else would too if they heard because my own experiences have taught me otherwise. The past has the answer to this analysis. WHat the hell you think was going on "back in the day?"

Ray said it right when you hear the real sh*t you know it. Ba DOW!!!

I'm headed home now. Carry on.

[Woody Rosen]

The common response from someone down here when I tell them I play house is something like: "Huh? House music? is that like that nn-ss-nn-ss stuff they play at them raves?"

I come across very few people outside clubs and "the scene" (whatever that is) that are into house music. Even when I play stuff for them it's always "Man, how do people dance to this?" or something. But there are a few who dig it when I play it for them. Not many tho.

[And]

Originally posted by JL:
although i love this music, i don't hold the belief that everyone else would too if they heard because my own experiences have taught me otherwise. Thank you.

[mhd]

Originally posted by 6 23:
and again I believe the lesson here is watch your "subjectives." "Real," & "True the roots," don't mean anything until placed within a very specific context ... "House Music" is too broad a context. too broad for you. house music is very specific

[JMNYC]

Konbit is right on point that all music isn't for everybody to appreciate.

IMHO, Life is the proper context for good music. It's really more about your own state of mind than the particular music you're listening to.

The point of my previous post was that by classifying this huge umbrella of music as "house", I believe we're doing it (the music) a disservice. If you present great music to people, those who appreciate great music will appreciate it, no matter what you call it.

"House" as a label has so many stereotypes and associations that work against it, it seems easier to get people into it when they don't know it's "house". Especially since everybody knows house is gay, black, poor, druggie music... :rolleyes:

[And]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
and again I believe the lesson here is watch your "subjectives." "Real," & "True the roots," don't mean anything until placed within a very specific context ... "House Music" is too broad a context. too broad for you. house music is very specific </font>[/QUOTE]Noooooo! You don't say! with your "too broad for you" comment. I thought I was speaking for EVERYONE on DHP ... graemlins/tongueout.gif
You find House music specific, I don't.

[ May 01, 2003, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]

[Jamie 3:26]

House music ain't specific.You either get it or you don't.Everyone can appreciate good music.It's all in the presentation.I ain't trying to be no jehovah's witness ass dj,begging folks to buy my watchtower cd's and trying to convert em.Phuck em.

If they dig it..cool.If not...cool by me.Less frustration for me.House is a language that is not understood by many.House is the jazz of music.

I ain't dj jesus.Think about it.....

[Clarkeecat]

couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to house clubs who didn't really know what the music was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know the music was out there. And now they're always after mixes, buying their own tunes etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the music and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what house is who are more accepting to it when they hear it for the first time....

Matthew

[steve]

Originally posted by JL:
Also, I'm a bit guarded by your use of the qualifier "real" in your description of house - what makes it real? Granted the track you mentioned is instrumental and musical in nature, does that imply that a cut like Adonis "No Way Back" isn't "real" because it's raw, electronic, and more "technoy"? The problem with today's "deep house" is it lacks that raw electronic
feel as in the classic Chicago tracks.
I can see a track like "No Way Back" having more appeal with the
younger hip-hop generation than the usual 120BPM MPC2000 swing
beat with diva vocals over the top.
How many current deep house producers can program a TR-808 beat
that jacks like the old Farley/ Adonis records?
Look at Hip Hop, programming a minimal TR-808 groove is an art form.

[O'love]

the neptunes have to do some house-trax..... spinna and jazzy jeff are a good start... ;)

[ May 02, 2003, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: O'love ]

[Jacques de Doozu]

for people who come from different musical backgrounds (this can be very superficial like someone who listens to radio muisc, or on the other hand someone who's deeply into jazz, ska, punk,...) it can be difficult to understand. i feel that people appreciate direct 'rawness' in music, often a synonym with 'hard' (techno fe) for them. most of the new stuff isn't like that. on the other hand lots of people like metro area, some trax, stuff like that. it takes some time to appreciate the broad spectrum that is house.
but when you take people to a party (ofcourse a whole different atmosphere, sound,.. then when you let people listen to a tape) they truly appreciate the music. i think there's a huge difference in these two conditions.
maybe it's not necessary for people to like house, or be so obsessive about it like most of us are. i don't like to force music upon people. i'll give them a tape or take them to a party, and if they ask for more...good thing. if not, so be it. music isn't as important to alot of people, and it takes alot of energy and time to dig deep enough and find the sound you like.
peace

[JL]

agreed, the other day when I dropped a house classics set alot of "not in the know" people (for lack of a better term) said they weren't really int techno, I corrected them and told them what it was - but it seems that the diversity within deep house itself causes divisions - some people only like the jackin stuff, others only the more musical jazzy stuff, others the more "soulful" stuff, others the more tracky stuff - it all depends on the persons experiences and personal tastes, in my opinion.

[konbit]

Originally posted by Woody:
The common response from someone down here when I tell them I play house is something like: "Huh? House music? is that like that nn-ss-nn-ss stuff they play at them raves?"

I come across very few people outside clubs and "the scene" (whatever that is) that are into house music. Even when I play stuff for them it's always "Man, how do people dance to this?" or something. But there are a few who dig it when I play it for them. Not many tho. They must not be black, then.
:D ;)

You know what this thread reminds me of? It reminds me of those Christians that talk amongst themselves about how more people would believe like them if they only knew "the forgiving love of Jesus" and stuff like that.

My point is...anybody who is passionate about a form of art tends to believe that others should, if exposed to it, also find that love.

For example, I love old Akira Kurosawa films. In fact, I think that they are WAY better than anything that has come out since....perfect narratives shot with such skill. I have a hard time understanding how anybody could like the latest blockbusters, knowing that such perfection exists. But the fact of the matter is...most people would be put to sleep by Kurosawa's films.

People here tell Lil Ray that he'd like hip-hop if he only heard "real" hip-hop...but, let's face it, he just isn't in to hip-hop.

I think that our passion for this music can sometimes blind us to its true significance...we are a very biased party. And while anecdotes to the contrary exist...I think that most measuring sticks will show that this potential, untapped fanbase doesn't really exist (regardless of color).

And yes...the idea of "real" is a big problem here. I'm sure Ben from undergroundhouse would have a very different definition of what is "real." I'm sure that cats on the West Coast would have different opinions. For everybody, in every imaginable genre, "real" means what YOU like. Jay-Z fans will tell you that his music is "real," as will Defari fans.

[konbit]

Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to house clubs who didn't really know what the music was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know the music was out there. And now they're always after mixes, buying their own tunes etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the music and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what house is who are more accepting to it when they hear it for the first time....

Matthew couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to church who didn't really know who Jesus was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know Jesus was out there. And now they're always praying, reading the Bible etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the gospel and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what Jesus is who are more accepting when they hear about Him for the first time....

Matthew

[ May 02, 2003, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: konbit ]

[mhd]

TAC's statement is valid, particularly after he modified the "real" and "most". when you consider House's roots, if you will, in Negro Spirituals, the blues, jazz, gospel, R&B, etc. there really is not much more to black music. the average black listener will find some commonality. but hey, what do we know. god forbid that we attempt to define ourselves

[TAC]

Originally posted by konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to house clubs who didn't really know what the music was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know the music was out there. And now they're always after mixes, buying their own tunes etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the music and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what house is who are more accepting to it when they hear it for the first time....

Matthew couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to church who didn't really know who Jesus was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know Jesus was out there. And now they're always praying, reading the Bible etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the gospel and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what Jesus is who are more accepting when they hear about Him for the first time....

Matthew </font>[/QUOTE]Poor example dude... Your dealing with raw intellect over here. The issue at hand is dancing around in a nightclub, doing base debauchery, drinking, sinning and all kinds of other things that surely by the religious standard of the example that you've used won't get anyone into heaven.

On the other hand, supposidly, if you go to church, worhship, blah, blah, blah, you'll get to see those lovely pearly gates. As is clear, the two are exactly opposite from each other.

Ridicule is one form of argument that is used when a strong counter argument is lacking.

Come again...

Peace
TAC

[ May 02, 2003, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: TAC ]

[konbit]

Wow...you totally missed the point.

[TAD]

Originally posted by konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to house clubs who didn't really know what the music was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know the music was out there. And now they're always after mixes, buying their own tunes etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the music and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what house is who are more accepting to it when they hear it for the first time....

Matthew couldn't agree with you more TAC. I've taken a lot of friends to church who didn't really know who Jesus was, who weren't already 'involved' and in all cases they loved it and now regularly attend. Its just a case that they didn't know Jesus was out there. And now they're always praying, reading the Bible etc. Its just a question of letting people hear the gospel and then decide for themselves. Who wouldn't love it?

it;s perhaps the ones who don't have some preconceived notion of what Jesus is who are more accepting when they hear about Him for the first time....

Matthew </font>[/QUOTE]this is a really bad analogy

[Monny JcIntosh]

But it's quite funny.

[TAC]

Originally posted by konbit:
Wow...you totally missed the point. Think so. I absolutely saw the point that you weer trying to make, and felt that it wasn't funny. Its writhe with sarcasm, and was a b*lltsh*t simplistic argument that you used to try to make your point.

Like Cosmic_Twin said, the analogy was poor...

Come again...

Peace
TAC

[Tenyu]

teach Konbit! you dont preach house, you live it, booyakashoo!