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Austin/Dallas

08-27-2003, 11:53 AM

That we had the largest surplus in US history, and now the largest deficit in US History?

WE STILL HAVE THE LARGEST SURPLUS, THEY JUST NOT SAYING SO.

That we haven't been to the moon in over 25 years?

WE NEVER BEEN TO THE MOON. WE DON'T AND NEVER WILL HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO REACH THE SECOND RADIATION BELT.

That our computers are still "wired".

GOT ME ON THAT ONE graemlins/grinyes.gif

That our cars still depend on natural resources to move around?

WHO EVER ANOUNCES THEY CAN REPLACE GAS AND OIL WILL DIE.

That the very thing that gives us air to breathe is an obstruction to many of us.

TRUE.

Shame

SHAME IS RIGHT!!

GOOD POINTS!!!

GROOVE VICTIM

08-27-2003, 11:57 AM

We've been to the moon, I don't care what anyone says.

It's a damn shame that most of us cannot comprehend the mathematics capable of getting to and from the moon.

That's what my professor told me when I was in school, and that man was a damn genius!!!!!!

And

08-27-2003, 11:59 AM

Hee, hee ... Ken1015 ;)

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ...
It's a little on the conspiracy theorist bend, (dire sounding English voice over) but it's interesting. Perhaps there are better videos documenting this. I just happened to catch this one at a friends.

Buzz Aldrin's site just for the hell of it:

http://www.buzzaldrin.com/

GROOVE VICTIM

08-27-2003, 12:03 PM

The one thing I have a problem with when it comes to the moon landing is the camera angles during the first couple of landings, as if someone was already there with a camera.

Peace

Austin/Dallas

08-27-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
We've been to the moon, I don't care what anyone says.

It's a damn shame that most of us cannot comprehend the mathematics capable of getting to and from the moon.

That's what my professor told me when I was in school, and that man was a damn genius!!!!!! Did the Professor go to the moon?

Sorry Groove to burst your bubble cause I have nothing but love for the peeps on the board but ask yourself if we went to moon we would still be doing so?

Oh!! Sorry but there is no Santa Claus either..

Peace!!

And

08-27-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
The one thing I have a problem with when it comes to the moon landing is the camera angles during the first couple of landings, as if someone was already there with a camera.

Peace Yeah they touch on this in the video too as well as well as why wasn't a blackened out hole from where the shuttle landed. It touched on atmospheric conditons that didn't fit what is known of the moon.

Google search results on the moon landing conspiracy.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=MOON+LANDING+CONSPIRACY

[ August 27, 2003, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]

mhd

08-27-2003, 12:11 PM

capricorn one

GROOVE VICTIM

08-27-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
We've been to the moon, I don't care what anyone says.

It's a damn shame that most of us cannot comprehend the mathematics capable of getting to and from the moon.

That's what my professor told me when I was in school, and that man was a damn genius!!!!!! Did the Professor go to the moon?

Sorry Groove to burst your bubble cause I have nothing but love for the peeps on the board but ask yourself if we went to moon we would still be doing so?

Oh!! Sorry but there is no Santa Claus either..

Peace!! [/QUOTE]We went to the moon on an order from then President Kennedy.

When you read about the trig, calculus, physics, chemistry, and other branches of science involved, you'd be ver surprised.

The movie "Apollo 13" touched a little on the subject of mathematics. The scene where you see Tom Hanks running all of these mathematical equations out of his head as if he was saying his ABCs. I asked my professor about that scene, and he told me that there was a time when you were drilled to death on mathematical equations such as the ones used to get out into space.

Then there's the issue of money.

GROOVE VICTIM

08-27-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
capricorn one OJ

JR JAM

08-27-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
capricorn one http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0784011540.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

GROOVE VICTIM

08-27-2003, 12:35 PM

Is it in DTS?

kev

08-27-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions.

mdpm99

08-27-2003, 02:17 PM

Mars:

One Ticket (estimate) $ 5 billion

First Flights (estimate) about 15 years from now.

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And

08-27-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]Yep, yep .. They bring this up too in the documentary ... I clearly don't have the technical lingo to explain any better but it makes for interesting video watching.

lola desire

08-27-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon.

kev

08-27-2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by lola desire:
[QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. ahh, great point :D

BHouse

08-27-2003, 02:35 PM

Isn't it a shame:

Gore and Bush Election fiasco / Collapse of ENRON and MCIWORLDCOM / 911 / The destruction of the Space Shuttle / The BlackOut of 2003 and GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE are all during Bush's presidency...

The United States still have not captured Osama Bin Ladin or Hussein...

The United States still have not found weapons of mass destruction...

There is no cure for AIDS...

We don't know who really killed MLK or JFK...

We don't know who killed Tupac or Biggie...

Major corporations are moving overseas leaving millions of people unemployed...

Majority of people incarcerated are Black...

graemlins/cussing.gif mad1.gif graemlins/cussing.gif

These are truly a shame!!!

[ August 27, 2003, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

mhd

08-27-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lola desire:

also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. ahh, great point :D don't need wind to move though

Brian

08-27-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by lola desire:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. [/QUOTE]That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?"

lola desire

08-27-2003, 02:39 PM

funny how all these shameful things are somehow tied up in money...

the most dispicable being AIDS... drug companies know they can make more money if they have people "living with AIDS" for their entire lives, vs. curing them of AIDS. there is no financial inscentive to cure AIDS.

that's a SHAME.

[ August 27, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: lola desire ]

kev

08-27-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:

We don't know who really killed MLK or JFK...
There is a really good book called, "An Act of State" discussing the assination of MLK.

lola desire

08-27-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Brian:
That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?" so they flew a whole production crew up there?

anyway, i didn't go and there are some more important issues right here, like: what's for dinner?!?!?

[ August 27, 2003, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: lola desire ]

mhd

08-27-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lola desire:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. [/QUOTE]That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?" [/QUOTE]"well known fact" huh. how about the difference in surface gravity between the moon and earth, the weight of a flag on earth causes it to hang down when stationary, on the moon gravity is so much weaker the same stationary flag stands straight out.

Brut by Faberge

08-27-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
Hee, hee ... Ken1015 ;)

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ...
It's a little on the conspiracy theorist bend, (dire sounding English voice over) but it's interesting. Perhaps there are better videos documenting this. I just happened to catch this one at a friends.

Buzz Aldrin's site just for the hell of it:

http://www.buzzaldrin.com/ 6 23, I have seen this film, and whether or not it is 100% true or otherwise, the arguments presented are really something to think about. I like the allusion to the lack of "wind" on the surface of the moon, yet the precense of the waving, flapping flag planted on the moon's surface.

innnnnnteresting...

Brut by Faberge

08-27-2003, 02:57 PM

oops...ya'll already starting talking about the wind/zero gravity thing...sorry http://deephousepage.com/smilies/splat.gif

Brian

08-27-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lola desire:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. [/QUOTE]That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?" [/QUOTE]"well known fact" huh. how about the difference in surface gravity between the moon and earth, the weight of a flag on earth causes it to hang down when stationary, on the moon gravity is so much weaker the same stationary flag stands straight out. [/QUOTE]no it doesn't .. there is gravity .. that would not allow for it to stand straight out.

mhd

08-27-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lola desire:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. [/QUOTE]That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?" [/QUOTE]"well known fact" huh. how about the difference in surface gravity between the moon and earth, the weight of a flag on earth causes it to hang down when stationary, on the moon gravity is so much weaker the same stationary flag stands straight out. [/QUOTE]no it doesn't .. there is gravity .. that would not allow for it to stand straight out. [/QUOTE]what about inertia? if you planted the flag and pulled the flag straight out so that it was horizontal to the surface what would happen?

Brian

08-27-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brian:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lola desire:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:

Hey Derrick, there's a video/DVD called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" that presents some arguments as to why the moon landing never occurred. Suggesting everything from staged moon landing exercises, to Buzz Aldrin's refusal to give detailed interviews beyond the first. The DVD talked about light and shadow inaccuracies, why only a few pictures were taken, why these same images continue to be passed around over and over again ... I've also read that if you look at these pictures carefully you will notice that the shadows go in different directions. [/QUOTE]also the flag is "waving". this is impossible since there is no air or atmosphere--nothing to make wind--on the moon. [/QUOTE]That's because they put wires in the flag to make it look like it was waving. This is a well-known fact and something they considered before the missions .. "how will we get a photo of the flag waving on the moon when there is no wind?" [/QUOTE]"well known fact" huh. how about the difference in surface gravity between the moon and earth, the weight of a flag on earth causes it to hang down when stationary, on the moon gravity is so much weaker the same stationary flag stands straight out. [/QUOTE]no it doesn't .. there is gravity .. that would not allow for it to stand straight out. [/QUOTE]what about inertia? if you planted the flag and pulled the flag straight out so that it was horizontal to the surface what would happen? [/QUOTE]it would eventually fall down. considering there are a number of pictures of the flag in the same position, with astronaughts in different positions, i think it's safe to say this isn't the case. the gravity is strong enough to allow the dust to settle on the surface, so i'm pretty sure the flag is going to drop during the course of taking multiple photos.

the wires in the flag is NASA's official explanation for why the flag is as it is.

mhd

08-27-2003, 03:19 PM

interesting, so in order to get the shot they did pull the flag into position, in order to configure the wires, i'll buy that. i think my point still stands that just as on earth the flag will drop, except that on earth it falls immediately, and on the moon, the rate of descent, if you will, would be much much slower since the force of gravity is at such a lower rate. slow enough, in fact, for a photo

DLow

08-28-2003, 08:28 AM

GROOVE VICTIM

08-28-2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
interesting, so in order to get the shot they did pull the flag into position, in order to configure the wires, i'll buy that. i think my point still stands that just as on earth the flag will drop, except that on earth it falls immediately, and on the moon, the rate of descent, if you will, would be much much slower since the force of gravity is at such a lower rate. slow enough, in fact, for a photo This is the reason why the practice space walking in water. The gravity of the moon is far much less than the gravity here on earth. This is the reason why the flag "stood up" on the moon. This is also why the NASA developed the "Moon Hop" method of walking on the moon. The Gravity is not so great that you will be able to jump up in the air for a period of time and eventually the moons gravity will pull you back to the surface.

MHD brought up a good point about inertia, Newton's firtst law of Gravity. If this was done on earth, they would have to film everything upside down in order for the camera to create an optical illusion of any object, flag included, to look as if it's standing straight up, or an object that will fly off into the sky.

Name any machine capable of creating this illusion of hopping in space while still on earth. Camera tricks can only go so far. Jumping around in an 80 pound suit is rather tuff. These guys did not have bodies like Arnold's.

Peace

LEONARD REMIX RROY

08-28-2003, 03:52 PM

Minimum wage in 1963 was $1.25
Minimum wage in 2003 is $5.15

That is a total shame!!!!
Minimum wage has jumped a whole $3.90 in 40 years.
If we are (so-called) making more money now than we did then...somebody need to explain the math they are using to make that statement true.

A new fully loaded Eldorado was $7,713.00 in 1963 but it is now $47,321.00

I can't do this new math graemlins/conf44.gif ...got me all confused because we are making so much more money than we / our parents did 40 years ago mad1.gif

Pete Nice

08-28-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Minimum wage in 1963 was $1.25
Minimum wage in 2003 is $5.15

That is a total shame!!!!
Minimum wage has jumped a whole $3.90 in 40 years.
If we are (so-called) making more money now than we did then...somebody need to explain the math they are using to make that statement true.

A new fully loaded Eldorado was $7,713.00 in 1963 but it is now $47,321.00

I can't do this new math graemlins/conf44.gif ...got me all confused because we are making so much more money than we / our parents did 40 years ago mad1.gif hell yeah we're making more... but our money is worth less and gets us less than what it used to. inflation is only good for those who earn beyond the cost of said inflation.for a dumb a** like me.... it's back to lazer malt liquor for dinner. peace!

DOTSmusic

08-28-2003, 04:26 PM

according to conspiracy theorists the footage of man landing on the moon is one of the most expensive "MOVIES" ever made. supposedly shot on location in the desert at Grooms Lake a.k.a. Area 51.(you know, the military base in Nevada that is not on the map and supposedly does not exist but everyone knows it is really there).

the American Government were so determined to out do the Soviets when it came space exploration that they were willing to do ANYTHING to be the first to land a man on the moon, including faking out the whole world to do so.

Moon Landing = a big fvcking hoax IMO.
or at least the footage we all know of
is not the reall footage.

according to other conspiracy theorists (the ones that think man landed on the moon). the americans were shocked at what they found on the side of the moon that is not immediately visible (the dark side of the moon. they found that there were beings and ships already there. there is supposedly conversations recorded between the astronauts describing what they saw in full detail.

[ August 28, 2003, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: aLie ]

GROOVE VICTIM

08-29-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by aLie:

the American Government were so determined to out do the Soviets when it came space exploration that they were willing to do ANYTHING to be the first to land a man on the moon, including faking out the whole world to do so.

Moon Landing = a big fvcking hoax IMO.
or at least the footage we all know of
is not the reall footage.

according to other conspiracy theorists (the ones that think man landed on the moon). the americans were shocked at what they found on the side of the moon that is not immediately visible (the dark side of the moon. they found that there were beings and ships already there. there is supposedly conversations recorded between the astronauts describing what they saw in full detail. Are we that blind to human developement and progression. Don't get me wrong, the government has done alot of shady things throughout our history as a nation but you cannot deny how far we've come when it comes to technology.

And that thing they found on the far side of the moon or where ever it was was actually a Russian space craft that was secretly sent to the moon in an attempt to get the first cosmonaut up there before the americans.

DOTSmusic

08-29-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by aLie:

the American Government were so determined to out do the Soviets when it came space exploration that they were willing to do ANYTHING to be the first to land a man on the moon, including faking out the whole world to do so.

Moon Landing = a big fvcking hoax IMO.
or at least the footage we all know of
is not the reall footage.

according to other conspiracy theorists (the ones that think man landed on the moon). the americans were shocked at what they found on the side of the moon that is not immediately visible (the dark side of the moon. they found that there were beings and ships already there. there is supposedly conversations recorded between the astronauts describing what they saw in full detail. Are we that blind to human developement and progression. Don't get me wrong, the government has done alot of shady things throughout our history as a nation but you cannot deny how far we've come when it comes to technology.

And that thing they found on the far side of the moon or where ever it was was actually a Russian space craft that was secretly sent to the moon in an attempt to get the first cosmonaut up there before the americans. [/QUOTE]hey, neither of US have ever been to the moon right?
how the do WE know what the hell is up there.
believe what you want and i will stick to my beliefs.

there is no way a human could survive the radiation in space nowadays even with those bullshit ass astronaut suits. how the hell could they have had the technology to make a suit so light weight and maneuvarable back then. come on now, when we get x-ray's the doctor lays a thin sheet of lead over your body part to try and prevent radiation. youd need like a few thousand tons of lead to block the radiation from space. people get skin cancer and sun poisoning here on EARTH from being exposed to the sun. imagine what would happen to us if we were in outer space.

keep in mind that the suits used in the missions were made primarily of rubber and nylon. water was used as a coolant inside the suit. sounds like some raver gear don't it?

GROOVE VICTIM

08-29-2003, 08:48 AM

You post shows that you have NO CLUE about Gravity.

You can wear a 300 pound suit and do a space walk with ease because there's no "GRAVITY". The only thing keeping astronauts from either flying into outer space or fall back into the earth are two things.

Rockets that enable the astronaut to maneuver around in space, or a tether cord that astronauts use so they can stay attached to the space craft.

As far as radiation goes how did the astronauts fix the lenses on the Hubble Telescope? Is this a conspiracy too? They have on record some of the longest space walks ever attempted while working on the Hubble Telescope.

And another thing, if you really want to talk about radiation then why did the MIR space station, in the condition that it was in prior to it being decomissioned, stay in space for so long?

Peace