Jones vs Tarver!!

[dennis f]

aaaaiiight 5 minutes til.....I hope Tarver did a Marlon Starling and wrote "OH" on the bottom of his left foot and "sshhit!" on the bottom of his right!!

haha!

[MyNia]

graemlins/rofl.gif Tarver is one shiny mofo tonight

[dennis f]

Jones won!!!

but I still think Tarver could've beat him....he just didn't get off when he needed to.....

He put a whoopin' on jones.....

[MyNia]

Tarver messed up by not pounding Roy in the earlier rounds when he had him on the ropes. Roy stayed on the ropes and in that corner way too much and the fight would not have been half as close as it was had he stayed in the center of the ring and boxed Tarver.

[JMJ]

Jones "got" the decision, but Tarver beat his ass. Lampley, Foreman, and Merchant sounded like the Roy Jones Fan Club. Now Jones says he either fights Tyson or quits?? Mike Tyson would DESTROY him based on what I saw tonight......JMJ

[Fletch]

117-111?

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Fletch:
117-111? The only thing "real" about boxing happens IN the ring.....JMJ :(

[ November 08, 2003, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[Fletch]

Seems like this was a case of "effects of Roy making weight-itis". His light heavy days are OVER!

Tarver gets him on the ropes a few times, but stops and lets Jones get second wind...

...but 117-111??????

[Fletch]

That chick with the white J-lo outfit ( :D ) will be edited next Saturday!!!!

Jerry Roth (and the AP) were the only ones who had it right (114-114).

Erob (if your reading):
Now, it's "**** Harold Lederman and his drunk stank *ss" (116-112!).

[ November 09, 2003, 06:32 AM: Message edited by: Fletch ]

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Fletch:
That chick with the white J-lo outfit ( :D ) will be edited next Saturday!!!!

Jerry Roth (and the AP) were the only ones who had it right (114-114).

Erob (if your reading):
Now, it's "**** Harold Lederman and his drunk stank *ss" (116-112!). Yeah, who the hell was that in the white outfit??
The fight was a draw at best. Tarver looked much better than Jones......JMJ

[Dj Alex]

I just caught the fight tonight on BBC 2 and it was a travesty. Tarver won it, yes it was close but this was not the right decision. Felt sorry for the young Tarver man must of ben gutted after that decision :eek: .

Great fight though !.

Peace Alex.

[djmarbll]

I didn't see all the fight, but from the highlights I saw, it seemed that Jones had his hands full with Tarver. Jones probably only won the fight because he was already the champ and Tarver didn't beat him convincingly enough to take the belt. I definitely see a rematch though. Maybe Tarver will get Jones then.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
I didn't see all the fight, but from the highlights I saw, it seemed that Jones had his hands full with Tarver. Jones probably only won the fight because he was already the champ and Tarver didn't beat him convincingly enough to take the belt. I definitely see a rematch though. Maybe Tarver will get Jones then. Actually bro Tarver had the WBC title. Roy won that title back. I felt Tarver gave Roy the fight of his life. But ultimately I agree with the decision. I think Roy out boxed Tarver. It was a hell of a fight though.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
I didn't see all the fight, but from the highlights I saw, it seemed that Jones had his hands full with Tarver. Jones probably only won the fight because he was already the champ and Tarver didn't beat him convincingly enough to take the belt. I definitely see a rematch though. Maybe Tarver will get Jones then. Jones was fighting for Tarver's light-heavyweight belt. His (Jones') heavyweight belt wasn't part of the bout......JMJ

[upliftdisco365]

I know a cat who flew to Vegas for this fight courtesy of RJJ himself. He said that after the fight, Roy looked beat-up. He was covered in ice from head to toe. He went to RJJ's after party and Tarver was there, wearing no shades, chillin' He said Roy missed his own party. DAMN, I can't wait until Saturday...

[ChiJAM]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
DAMN, I can't wait until Saturday... I have to wait until the HBO replay, too. For a rematch, it sounds like RJJ needs to get comfortable at 175 lbs. or make Tarver fight him as a cruiserweight if it's too difficult to stay around 175.

ChiJAM

[Jay Rags]

Roy Jones won the fight!!! He said before the fight that he felt 7 on a scale of 1-10 because he didn't think taking all the weight off would effect him so much. He still went in there and beat the hell out of Tarvers stomach. When he rested on the ropes Tarver got a few shots in but I saw rounds where Tarver barely threw punches.

[Sharp Eye Washington]

I knew Roy would have a tough fight due to the weight loss & the fact that Tarver really is a much better fighter than anybody gave him credit for. I never saw Roy take such a pounding. Tarver can surely bring the noise. This would be a great time for Roy to hang em up. What's left for him to prove? His only fight is against his awesome legacy (which is firmly intact) not Mike Tyson. DON"T DO IT ROY!

[marki]

Twas a bit of an off night for Roy, he didn't look as interested as usual and the killer power wasn't there. Roys footwork is still second to none aside from when young Mike Tyson came onto the scene and became the champ. When Roy was on the ropes in the mid rounds he covered up niceley, but didn't show as much stealth as usual. Tarver was winging them at this point, and Roy was able to soak them up on the gloves, a little more variety from Tarver could have scored him here but no nothing became. Roy looked a little loose around the belly here, he looked like he needs 1 last challange, something to keep him interested (though easy defences pay kindly) I would personally enjoy watching a Tyson, RJJ bout, but it is Tyson I would feel a little worried for. Bring it on.

[Erob the One]

Erob (if your reading):
Now, it's "**** Harold Lederman and his drunk stank *ss" (116-112!).
I didn't see the fight Sat. Night, I had a birthday party to go to and I had a great time. But I must admit, deep down inside I was thinking about the fight inbetween Long Islands (top shelf of course). I am glad to know that Roy actually won the fight and the fight was not given to him. Everybody knew Tarver was no joke, I guess the make 'em like that in Florida??? Leaderman is starting to grate my nerves too. Him and Larry must be at the bar before every match. Listen closely to George big ass too. He gonna go with whoever is winning and ride their dick until something changes. I like Lampley, he is a part time comedian and has me cracking up. I can't wait til Saturday to see the fight. Damn, Roy is good and he needed a test to keep in sharp and it sounds like he got it. Oh, by the way **** Larry Merchant in his drunk stank ass!!!!!

Erob

[MikeBee]

Now that I've seen it, Tarver definitely won that fight. All the talk about him doing nothing in the center of the ring: Bullshit. He took it to Roy against the ropes where many fights have been won and for that matter stopped. IMO Tarver won on Scoring and power.

[ChiJAM]

Originally posted by MikeBee:
Now that I've seen it, Tarver definitely won that fight. All the talk about him doing nothing in the center of the ring: Bullshit. He took it to Roy against the ropes where many fights have been won and for that matter stopped. IMO Tarver won on Scoring and power. I watched last night, too. I scored it 7-5 for RJJ. It was close, but RJJ pulled it out. I'm sure folks 100 rows up thought Roy was getting spanked on the ropes, but it wasn't as bad as it appeared. Plus, those flurries came in intermittent spurts. That was by far Roy's toughest fight, but he still won.

ChiJAM

[Bold Soul]

Well, I finally saw it, and I have to say that even though RJJ definitely DID NOT win it, neither did Tarver.

This even goes back to the amateurs - in a fight such as this, the judging criteria of RING GENERALSHIP is the deciding factor. If throughout the fight, Tarver kept a pace similar to rounds 1 and 2, he would've gained a clear victory. Problem is, he allowed serious windows of inactivity to mar his showing.

Ring Generalship dictates that when you have a fighter down, you have to keep him down, else you lose points and standing among the judges. That Tarver could be so dominant in the face of the pound for pound best in the sport, just to allow him back in the fight killed his case. Tarver's ego-tripping in rounds 3 - 5 made it worse.

He didn't win, but neither did RJJ - this one should be a rematch.

[MikeBee]

Originally posted by ChiJAM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeBee:
Now that I've seen it, Tarver definitely won that fight. All the talk about him doing nothing in the center of the ring: Bullshit. He took it to Roy against the ropes where many fights have been won and for that matter stopped. IMO Tarver won on Scoring and power. I watched last night, too. I scored it 7-5 for RJJ. It was close, but RJJ pulled it out. I'm sure folks 100 rows up thought Roy was getting spanked on the ropes, but it wasn't as bad as it appeared. Plus, those flurries came in intermittent spurts. That was by far Roy's toughest fight, but he still won.

ChiJAM </font>[/QUOTE]Cmon, so all that scoring through and around RJJ's guard, including continued punishing straight lefts accts for nothing? What did RJJ do to win those rounds? I didn't see any combinations from him resulting in anything comparable to Tarver. Those flurries consistent enough to have won him the fight in comparison to what Roy was doing.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years. Tyson and Jones is about right - both got in the game handsomely beating the toughest opponents, then took vacations during the parts of their careers that received the highest praise by FIGHTING BUMBS (sparring partners, part-timers, avoiding huge competitive fights).

Yea - let them fight. It should be a good one.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years. Tyson and Jones is about right - both got in the game handsomely beating the toughest opponents, then took vacations during the parts of their careers that received the highest praise by FIGHTING BUMBS (sparring partners, part-timers, avoiding huge competitive fights).

Yea - let them fight. It should be a good one. </font>[/QUOTE]Jones beat the best, Tyson when challenged, always gets beat..I put Tyson and RJJ nowhere near the same class

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by MikeBee:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChiJAM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeBee:
Now that I've seen it, Tarver definitely won that fight. All the talk about him doing nothing in the center of the ring: Bullshit. He took it to Roy against the ropes where many fights have been won and for that matter stopped. IMO Tarver won on Scoring and power. I watched last night, too. I scored it 7-5 for RJJ. It was close, but RJJ pulled it out. I'm sure folks 100 rows up thought Roy was getting spanked on the ropes, but it wasn't as bad as it appeared. Plus, those flurries came in intermittent spurts. That was by far Roy's toughest fight, but he still won.

ChiJAM </font>[/QUOTE]Cmon, so all that scoring through and around RJJ's guard, including continued punishing straight lefts accts for nothing? What did RJJ do to win those rounds? I didn't see any combinations from him resulting in anything comparable to Tarver. Those flurries consistent enough to have won him the fight in comparison to what Roy was doing. </font>[/QUOTE]Of course it was a bullshit decision - especially if you see how Harerra gave rounds 2 and 3 to Jones. What fight was he/she watching?!

It's all about ring generalship though, MikeBee. If you have a man down, you are obligated to keep him down. This is what kills De La Hoya as well. Look TOO GOOD in the opening rounds against an established fighter and you have to keep it up, else you'll be judged as a fluke.

It's one of the shittiest areas of judging in the sport, but it is relevant.

[MikeBee]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years. Thats right. What up Timmy? I'm getting ready to go devour some a dem "Melt in ya Mouth" Mikes Diner Pancakes. Cielo thing was cool...had fun.
some MElt in ya mouth

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

How bout Barrera-Pacquiao(sp?) last night...Great fight.,..Barrera looked like he aged 10 years as well..Never saw him look that bad, even when knocked out

[uzibee]

You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
How bout Barrera-Pacquiao(sp?) last night...Great fight.,..Barrera looked like he aged 10 years as well..Never saw him look that bad, even when knocked out That was some classic boxing. First time Barerra went down, it was a totally surreal moment. I've been a Pacquiao fan for a minute, but Barerra?! Whoa.

Man oh man...when boxing is good, it's really good.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Give me a list of these great fighters Tyson beat.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Give me a list of these great fighters Tyson beat. </font>[/QUOTE]Bruce Seldon? ;)

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Give me a list of these great fighters Tyson beat. </font>[/QUOTE]Bruce Seldon? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]The fact you can remember that makes you a true boxing fan... icon_rofl.gif

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Here...i'll help

Hector Mercedes TKO1 3/06/85
Trent Singleton TKO1 4/10/85
Don Halpern KO4 5/23/85
Rick Spain KO1 6/20/85
John Alderson TKO2 7/11/85
Larry Sims KO3 7/19/85
Lorenzo Canady TKO1 8/15/85
Michael Johnson KO1 9/5/85
Donnie Long KO1 10/9/85
Robert Colay KO1 10/25/85
Sterling Benjamin TKO1 11/1/85
Eddie Richardson KO1 11/13/85
Conroy Nelson KO2 11/22/85
Sammy Scaff KO1 12/6/85
Mark Young KO1 12/27/85
Dave Jaco KO1 1/10/86
Mike Jamison TKO5 1/24/86
Jesse Ferguson W DQ6 2/16/86
Steve Zouski KO3 3/10/86
James Tillis W10 5/3/86
Mitch Green W10 5/20/86
Reggie Gross TKO1 6/13/86
William Hosea KO1 6/28/86
Lorenzo Boyd KO2 7/11/86
Marvis Frazier KO1 7/26/86
Jose Ribalta TKO10 8/17/86
Alfonzo Ratcliff KO1 9/6/86
Trevor Berbick TKO2 WBC Heavyweight title 11/22/86
James Smith W12 WBC and WBA Heavyweight title 3/7/87
Pinklon Thomas TKO6 WBC and WBA Heavyweight title 5/30/87
Tony Tucker W12 WBC, WBA and IBF Heavyweight title 8/1/87
Tyrell Biggs TKO7 Undisputed heavyweight championship 10/16/87
Larry Holmes TKO4 Undisputed heavyweight championship 1/22/88
Tony Tubbs KO2 Undisputed heavyweight championship 3/21/88
Michael Spinks TKO1 Undisputed heavyweight championship 6/27/88
Frank Bruno TKO5 Undisputed heavyweight championship 2/25/89
Carl Williams TKO1 Undisputed heavyweight championship 7/21/89
James Douglas KO
by 10 Undisputed heavyweight championship 2/11/90
Henry Tillman KO1 6/16/90
Alex Stewart TKO1 12/8/90
Donovan Ruddock TKO7 3/18/91
Donovan Ruddock W12 6/28/91
Peter McNeeley TKO 1 8/19/95
Buster Mathis Jnr KO3 12/16/95
Frank Bruno TKO 3 WBC Heavyweight title 3/16/96
Bruce Seldon TKO1 WBC and WBA Heavyweight titles 9/7/96
Evander Holyfield KO
by 11 WBA Heavyweight tile 11/9/96
Evander Holyfield LDQ3 WBA Heavyweight tile 6/28/97
Francois Botha KO5 1/16/99
Orlin Norris No Decision 10/23/99
Julius Francis TKO2 1/29/00
Lou Savarese TKO1 6/24/00
Andrew Golota TKO3 10/20/00
Brian Nielsen TKO7 10/13/01
Lennox Lewis TKO8 6/8/02

[ November 16, 2003, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: DJ Timmy Richardson ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Give me a list of these great fighters Tyson beat. </font>[/QUOTE]Bruce Seldon? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]The fact you can remember that makes you a true boxing fan... icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Man, was it a boxing match or an OLYMPIC DIVING COMPETITION???!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

The worst was the PPV show with McNeeley

[Bold Soul]

I trained with Richard Steele in Las Vegas quite a bit between 1999 and 2001 and he would tell me stories about the Tyson fights he reffed. I actually asked him about a few of those fights where he was accused of counting guys out early and he told me that although they would scream foul to the commentators afterward, during the fight they would look over at him just waiting on him to save them. No shit - real hilarious stuff.

He told me about the Tyson/Franz Botha fight, where Botha was saying all these nasty racial slurs in Tyson's ear and when Tyson finally hit him, he whimpered like something stopped working in his chest.

Man, I loved fighting.

[ChiJAM]

Originally posted by MikeBee:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChiJAM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeBee:
Now that I've seen it, Tarver definitely won that fight. All the talk about him doing nothing in the center of the ring: Bullshit. He took it to Roy against the ropes where many fights have been won and for that matter stopped. IMO Tarver won on Scoring and power. I watched last night, too. I scored it 7-5 for RJJ. It was close, but RJJ pulled it out. I'm sure folks 100 rows up thought Roy was getting spanked on the ropes, but it wasn't as bad as it appeared. Plus, those flurries came in intermittent spurts. That was by far Roy's toughest fight, but he still won.

ChiJAM </font>[/QUOTE]Cmon, so all that scoring through and around RJJ's guard, including continued punishing straight lefts accts for nothing? What did RJJ do to win those rounds? I didn't see any combinations from him resulting in anything comparable to Tarver. Those flurries consistent enough to have won him the fight in comparison to what Roy was doing. </font>[/QUOTE]Naw, man, when Tarver had him on the ropes he did some damage--straight lefts through the guard and some hooks around it. He did work RJJ on the ropes. However, he let RJJ bring it to him in the latter portions of a few rounds--just couldn't keep control. His production dipped and Roy did enough to win a close one. I actually had it 6-4-2 in favor of RJJ--the 10th round and the 12th were even to me.

ChiJAM

[upliftdisco365]

After listening to all of the accounts on the board last week, I tuned in last night to watch Tarver whoop Roy's ass. This did not occur.

Tarver was the aggressor in rounds 1, 2 and perhaps 6. In all of the other rounds, Roy was clearly the winner. Decent fight, but no question as to who won.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
After listening to all of the accounts on the board last week, I tuned in last night to watch Tarver whoop Roy's ass. This did not occur.

Tarver was the aggressor in rounds 1, 2 and perhaps 6. In all of the other rounds, Roy was clearly the winner. Decent fight, but no question as to who won. Clearly. It was as if Tarver couldn't believe he was beating him and backed off him. I couldn't understand it.

It was as if Tarver was fighting for RJJs respect and not the championship.

[Erob the One]

Finally saw the fight last night. Roy Jones is the best fighter pound for pound period. He was sluggish for most of the fight, because of the weight lose. Tarver could not capitalize on that. Roy's vetran status and many rounds of championship boxing shown through that night. Roy went to the ropes to get rest and Tarver popped him with some good shots, but it didn't even faze Jones until the 11th round. When he brought Tarver out into the middle of the ring, Jones turned Tarver into a lil' ole beyotch. He was pawing his jab and would not even think of throwing a power shot. The best round was the 10th, when Tarver's corner had him pumped up. When he walked to the middle of the ring, he got his reality check when Jones connected with his body first then his dome. Tarver would have not lasted 5 rounds with Jones in his prime at light heavy weight. If anyone wants to beat on any Roy Jones fight, I will cover them all. He is the man right now. By the way, Larry Merchant is a drunk bastard and Leaderman is right with him at the bar. Gimme me another one!!!!!!

Erob

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Good analysis Erob. I just saw it myself..The key was that body shot in the 3rd round..After that the guy looked like he was trying to duck bodyshots. You cant win a fight not throwing punches. And when he did it was when Jones would rest for 30 secs on the ropes. Amazing body attack by Jones, won this fight for. McGirt knew it..Listen to how he talks to Tarver in between rounds. Also check the punch stats by round.

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years. Tyson and Jones is about right - both got in the game handsomely beating the toughest opponents, then took vacations during the parts of their careers that received the highest praise by FIGHTING BUMBS (sparring partners, part-timers, avoiding huge competitive fights).

Yea - let them fight. It should be a good one. </font>[/QUOTE]But Tyson has actually been beaten a few times. Roy Jones has NEVER been officially beaten before that's amazing. Even Ali lost a few. Tyson is nowhere near Jones in consistency.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
If you want the title you gotta take it.Roy cant keep going up and down in weight like that. Makes no sense anyway. If Toney shows he can beat a decent fighter, then he should fight Jones. A Tyson bout doesnt prove anything if Jones beats him, but I guess it would be mega millions. Who has Tyson ever beaten anyway? Jones after the fight looked like he aged 10 years. Tyson and Jones is about right - both got in the game handsomely beating the toughest opponents, then took vacations during the parts of their careers that received the highest praise by FIGHTING BUMBS (sparring partners, part-timers, avoiding huge competitive fights).

Yea - let them fight. It should be a good one. </font>[/QUOTE]But Tyson has actually been beaten a few times. Roy Jones has NEVER been officially beaten before that's amazing. Even Ali lost a few. Tyson is nowhere near Jones in consistency. </font>[/QUOTE]Yea even last night..He basically allowed hisself to get hit, so he could rest. Tyson has been beaten down 4 times

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Tyson is probably the most intimidating and brutal fighter during his prime, but Roy Jones is definitely the fastest and most intelligent since Muhammed Ali. They're two different weight classes, but Tyson has fallen short when challenged as Timmy said. Jones only loss is a disqualification. In his class Roy Jones is second to none.

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
You guys have a very short memory. Mike Tyson WAS the baddest thing on earth for a few years...Ever badder than Roy jones at his best. Wactch the tapes...They don't lie. Give me a list of these great fighters Tyson beat. </font>[/QUOTE]Exactly!!!
Michael Spinks?
Frank Bruno?
Marvis Frazier?
Are you kidding?
Every time Tyson had a formidable opponent (Evander Holyfield, Tony Tucker, Buster Douglas, or Lennox Lewis), he either barely won or lost badly. You can't say that about Roy Jones.

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I trained with Richard Steele in Las Vegas quite a bit between 1999 and 2001 and he would tell me stories about the Tyson fights he reffed. I actually asked him about a few of those fights where he was accused of counting guys out early and he told me that although they would scream foul to the commentators afterward, during the fight they would look over at him just waiting on him to save them. No shit - real hilarious stuff.

He told me about the Tyson/Franz Botha fight, where Botha was saying all these nasty racial slurs in Tyson's ear and when Tyson finally hit him, he whimpered like something stopped working in his chest.

Man, I loved fighting. Did Steele ever mention the Meldrick Taylor-Julio Chavez fight to you Danny? I was watching HBO last week and Richard Steele mentioned that after calling that fight a TKO for CHavez, he didn't get the big matches he used to get. I watched that Taylor-Chavez fight and I agree with Steele. Taylor was NOT responsive so he should have lost. The sad thing now is that Meldrick Taylor has obvious brain damage and is still trying to fight. :(

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I trained with Richard Steele in Las Vegas quite a bit between 1999 and 2001 and he would tell me stories about the Tyson fights he reffed. I actually asked him about a few of those fights where he was accused of counting guys out early and he told me that although they would scream foul to the commentators afterward, during the fight they would look over at him just waiting on him to save them. No shit - real hilarious stuff.

He told me about the Tyson/Franz Botha fight, where Botha was saying all these nasty racial slurs in Tyson's ear and when Tyson finally hit him, he whimpered like something stopped working in his chest.

Man, I loved fighting. Did Steele ever mention the Meldrick Taylor-Julio Chavez fight to you Danny? I was watching HBO last week and Richard Steele mentioned that after calling that fight a TKO for CHavez, he didn't get the big matches he used to get. I watched that Taylor-Chavez fight and I agree with Steele. Taylor was NOT responsive so he should have lost. The sad thing now is that Meldrick Taylor has obvious brain damage and is still trying to fight. :( </font>[/QUOTE]Very sad in fact...He cant even talk...Same with Riddick Bowe.

[ChiJAM]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I trained with Richard Steele in Las Vegas quite a bit between 1999 and 2001 and he would tell me stories about the Tyson fights he reffed. I actually asked him about a few of those fights where he was accused of counting guys out early and he told me that although they would scream foul to the commentators afterward, during the fight they would look over at him just waiting on him to save them. No shit - real hilarious stuff.

He told me about the Tyson/Franz Botha fight, where Botha was saying all these nasty racial slurs in Tyson's ear and when Tyson finally hit him, he whimpered like something stopped working in his chest.

Man, I loved fighting. Did Steele ever mention the Meldrick Taylor-Julio Chavez fight to you Danny? I was watching HBO last week and Richard Steele mentioned that after calling that fight a TKO for CHavez, he didn't get the big matches he used to get. I watched that Taylor-Chavez fight and I agree with Steele. Taylor was NOT responsive so he should have lost. The sad thing now is that Meldrick Taylor has obvious brain damage and is still trying to fight. :( </font>[/QUOTE]After the Chavez-Taylor fight, he reffed the first Tyson-Ruddock fight. He stopped that with Ruddock on the ropes and many deemed that premature. After that, he must've gained a reputation and didn't see many more big fights.

ChiJAM

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We never discussed Chavez-Taylor, but I'm suprised he spoke about it on television. Steele is someone who most people think they know how he is but have no idea.

Powerful presence coming from that man. He has a lot of wisdom.

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BTW - I got a migrane last night so I stayed in and caught both episdoes of "Beyond the Glory - Mike Tyson".

All I can say is WOW! If they sold it on DVD, I would purchase it. Mad deep.