Why is there so much..............?

[Rodney Ransom]

Why is there so much hate and shade in the underground dance scene? I felt it was time to ask this because, I have experienced this on a few different levels. Some cats actually give you
the fake handshake, (like as if to say I don't
really wanna give you a pound) then when you walk away , ''Oh who does he think he is''. Then there
are certain heads who think because ,they put out a few hot tracks , that their shit don't stink.
Please'fool' a good portion of the dj's/producers
and promoters in this scene are ''BROKE'' so stop
frontin. It's depressing when you know that the
music that you play represents love and understanding , but the people in the scene don't.
I know this has been apart of the scene before I got involved , and probably will continue after Im
gone . I just wanted to know why?

[DaveR]

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
Why is there so much hate and shade in the underground dance scene? I felt it was time to ask this because, I have experienced this on a few different levels. Some cats actually give you
the fake handshake, (like as if to say I don't
really wanna give you a pound) then when you walk away , ''Oh who does he think he is''. Then there
are certain heads who think because ,they put out a few hot tracks , that their shit don't stink.
Please'fool' a good portion of the dj's/producers
and promoters in this scene are ''BROKE'' so stop
frontin. It's depressing when you know that the
music that you play represents love and understanding , but the people in the scene don't.
I know this has been apart of the scene before I got involved , and probably will continue after Im
gone . I just wanted to know why? I agree with most of what you say above with one exception:

- Being broke and the act of showing respect/appreciation to people are independent variables smile.gif ... it's about self-respect, anyone that snubs people obviously lacks it

[ October 18, 2003, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
Why is there so much hate and shade in the underground dance scene? I felt it was time to ask this because, I have experienced this on a few different levels. Some cats actually give you
the fake handshake, (like as if to say I don't
really wanna give you a pound) then when you walk away , ''Oh who does he think he is''. Then there
are certain heads who think because ,they put out a few hot tracks , that their shit don't stink.
Please'fool' a good portion of the dj's/producers
and promoters in this scene are ''BROKE'' so stop
frontin. It's depressing when you know that the
music that you play represents love and understanding , but the people in the scene don't.
I know this has been apart of the scene before I got involved , and probably will continue after Im
gone . I just wanted to know why? I agree with most of what you say above with one exception:

- Being broke and showing respect/appreciation to people are independent variables smile.gif ... it's about self-respect, anyone that snubs people obviously lacks it </font>[/QUOTE]Good point all I was saying is ,for some of these people to act this way, they've got some nerve
walking around with lent in their pockets. Thankyou for your point of view...... ;)

[sammyrock]

I mean this shit has always existed since the beginning of time..SO welcome to the HATE CLUB..lol Man I cant even get a slot anywhere due to jaded people up here in the South.Anyway its all good.The Blessings will come bro.Hanng in there and God Bless. smile.gif

[alex zen]

i don't think it's just in our scene. human nature? but yeah that shit sucks, why go out of your way to diss someone?

[mdpm99]

Greetings RodneyRansom.

$$$$ & EGO for starters.......

:(

d

Ps. With the over use of drum machines and etc., I believe, is part of the problem.

[Light Skinted Wif Good Hur]

What up BX!!! In no way do I defend the arrogance of some of these individuals but I will offer a different perspective and maybe a little insight. When you are a hot commodity or you have something people want(music, popularity, etc.)--everybody wants to be your friend that didn't give 2 s h i t s about you b4! This will make you jaded real quick and when someone is really overzealous about meeting you/being your friend it may make you think--what does he/she WANT from me? When you achieve a certain level you almost have to tighten up your circle of friends cause everyone is trying to put their hand in your pocket. That's why I don't sweat the so called "elite" in the biz. If I happen to meet them and we hit it off then so be it. I have friends that are in the "in crowd" but I don't hold nuts, I don't beg for tracks, I'm just their friend. I look out when I can and they usually do the same! Don't do this hail.gif Do this graemlins/beerchug.gif

[AD]

Originally posted by david mancuso:


$$$$ & EGO for starters.......

nailed it. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[sammyrock]

Originally posted by whyteout:
What up BX!!! In no way do I defend the arrogance of some of these individuals but I will offer a different perspective and maybe a little insight. When you are a hot commodity or you have something people want(music, popularity, etc.)--everybody wants to be your friend that didn't give 2 s h i t s about you b4! This will make you jaded real quick and when someone is really overzealous about meeting you/being your friend it may make you think--what does he/she WANT from me? When you achieve a certain level you almost have to tighten up your circle of friends cause everyone is trying to put their hand in your pocket. That's why I don't sweat the so called "elite" in the biz. If I happen to meet them and we hit it off then so be it. I have friends that are in the "in crowd" but I don't hold nuts, I don't beg for tracks, I'm just their friend. I look out when I can and they usually do the same! Don't do this hail.gif Do this graemlins/beerchug.gif AMEN Whyteout...Absolutly!

[kara]

Originally posted by RodneyRansom:
It's depressing when you know that the
music that you play represents love and understanding , but the people in the scene don't.
same question i have about religion - tenets of love and understanding, then peoples actions are the exact opposite

same question i have about politics and government - ideas and goals of right, fairness and humanity, in practice the people act as anything but

people are ironic

[ October 18, 2003, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: kara ]

[Bold Soul]

Fear.

[Mark Andrus]

Maybe the problem has something to do with too many people/not enough resources.

There are definitely way too many people with a "gimme!" attitude, but I don't think that problem is in any way limited to one group of people, it's a kind of virus infecting all of society.

[AD]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Fear. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by whyteout:
What up BX!!! In no way do I defend the arrogance of some of these individuals but I will offer a different perspective and maybe a little insight. When you are a hot commodity or you have something people want(music, popularity, etc.)--everybody wants to be your friend that didn't give 2 s h i t s about you b4! This will make you jaded real quick and when someone is really overzealous about meeting you/being your friend it may make you think--what does he/she WANT from me? When you achieve a certain level you almost have to tighten up your circle of friends cause everyone is trying to put their hand in your pocket. That's why I don't sweat the so called "elite" in the biz. If I happen to meet them and we hit it off then so be it. I have friends that are in the "in crowd" but I don't hold nuts, I don't beg for tracks, I'm just their friend. I look out when I can and they usually do the same! Don't do this hail.gif Do this graemlins/beerchug.gif Good Points but I also agree with David Mancuso,
the ego's are something else. On a positive note
what up whyteout, haven't heard from you in 20
or 30 years lol :D . Mad graemlins/respekt.gif and love to all of the people that answered this post so far.
I guess Im not the only that see's this madness.
graemlins/beerchug.gif graemlins/beerchug.gif graemlins/beerchug.gif

[Ronnie Ron]

I think its not enough venues and not enough support for our type of music. If we could get a bigger piece of the pie the strangle hold some folks have would eas up a bit. when you have so many talented DJ's, Artists & Producers that are spinning and creating some of the most beautiful music known to man king (IMO) and its miniscule compared to what the Trance & Techno, R&B, RAP side of dance music is doing, its frustrating.

I was looking at the Choice awards done over sea's and they were talking about folks like Oakenfold, Louie Deveto, Felix the House Cat ETC... some female dont even remember her name she won best DJ in the world or somethning like that i wanted to PUKE graemlins/puke.gif

All this Talent and No Venues = Frustration, Bad feelings,Holding on to what you got,Envy, Jealousy,Hate. if we got some breathing room i guarentee you folks wouldnt act as bad as they do.

Its Frustration thats all.

To add this one italian guy at my job said to me one day. Dj RonnieRon i tell you who you need to be like you neeed to be like Dj Scribble graemlins/conf44.gif i was trippin so hard off that stupid ass statement i didnt even get mad. but i did want to do this AR15firing.gif AR15firing.gif

R-R

[ October 19, 2003, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: RonnieRon ]

[Rodney Ransom]

Yeah you got some good points there ronnie ron.
Nice to hear from you bro. :D

[larry rauson]

Hey Rodney, how you doin', haven't heard from you since the Commodores tour in '74...


Larry Rauson

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't think it's just in our scene. human nature? but yeah that shit sucks, why go out of your way to diss someone? there is no institution where this does not happen. it's not just your artistic scene.

it's your church, your job, your extended family, your neighborhood pub, your pool league, your set of friends, your quilting club...why should this be any different? because the music is beautiful/spiritual and all that? still doesn't add up.

[MCarnet]

I have friends that are in the "in crowd" but I don't hold nuts, I don't beg for tracks, I'm just their friend. I look out when I can and they usually do the same! Exactly...

Rodney, I know what you mean, I have similar feelings about it all. All you can do is practice being the positive person, and avoid the negatives. The more positive people we have out there the better it is. I'm trying everyday.

[ October 24, 2003, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Marcus A ]

[AgentDoubleA]

Weed out the bad. Their easy to point out. You gave a good example: "Some cats actually give you
the fake handshake"

Keep your head up brah. The responses on this thread is proof that there is some real people out here.

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

DUDE, I FEEL YA. I STILL GO THRU THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT LIKE AGENT SAID, DON'T SWEAT IT, JUST KEEP THE GOOD FROM YOU COMING MUSICALLY. I HAD TO GO THRU THE GAY CLUBS WITH MY MUSIC BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE HEARD OF WHAT I DO WITH EXEPTION OF SOME LONG KNOWN NU-BANG FAMILY MEMBERS. IF ANYBODY ON THIS PAGE THAT KNOWS DJ'S MIKE FIELDS, AND MY HOMIE THRU THE YEARS, PLAYIN 95% OF ALL MY STUFF WOULD BE DJ "MIKE EZEBUKWU"!
HE'S THE REASON "MANHASSETT" GOT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THE WAY IT DID, BEING ONE OF WHAT HE CALLS HIS "CLUB ANTHEM" TRACK.

[Jamie 3:26]

I will not even go into details,but I found out he hard way who are real and who are not.When you get in a certain position,especially in the indystry,folks will try to milk you,then talk about you like a dog,if you see thru their bullshit.

Sometimes I throw shade just for those reasons.I do not like to be phony,but to have experienced some of the shit I have,there's a reason why I am not happy.

The ones who have been real with me and gave respect are the ones who will get anything from me,if I have it to give.

I have had folks say some and do some ill shit to me that really hurt.I know it should not have bothered me like that,but to see folks who you thought were friends,just turn on ya,says a hell of a lot about them as people in general.

It's almost like some folks think I have changed as a person,when I'm the same mofo I was before.hell,I ain't even on the level that some others are,but to see the shit that has been thrown at me,you would think I am a millionaire.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Greetings RodneyRansom. $$$$ & EGO for starters....... :( d Ps. With the over use of drum machines and etc., I believe, is part of the problem. hail.gif

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
I think its not enough venues and not enough support for our type of music. If we could get a bigger piece of the pie the strangle hold some folks have would eas up a bit.I hear yah Ronnie but all that happens with more venues is the competition level rises and people start back stabbing over the other parties on the same night, or just over other parties that might do well or be doing well... heck we've got more parties now then we used to, and I'm already hearin about people takin a stab at me, LOL...

Bottom line is you can't win... it just seems to be human nature.

graemlins/acclaim.gif

[darrow]

Just call me The Boy In The Bubble. Most people I come across are cool or at the very least, no more troublesome then people not in "the scene".

[SMOOTH87]

I realized a long time ago you can not please everyone. People talk about you if ain't got anything and they will talk about you if you have everything. I belive for some people it is the American way.

The sad thing is that you may have never done something to a certain person and people who do not like you for what ever reason will say things about you that are not true and people who never even met you will belive the lies.. If I meet people who talks about everyone else more than likely they will talk about me too.

All you can do is be yourself. just don't let negative get you down. That's what the haters want. If you are in it to win it just focus on the music. The strong do survive and the weak do fall off to the way side.


-Sean Smith

[richierich]

Originally posted by whyteout:
What up BX!!! In no way do I defend the arrogance of some of these individuals but I will offer a different perspective and maybe a little insight. When you are a hot commodity or you have something people want(music, popularity, etc.)--everybody wants to be your friend that didn't give 2 s h i t s about you b4! This will make you jaded real quick and when someone is really overzealous about meeting you/being your friend it may make you think--what does he/she WANT from me? When you achieve a certain level you almost have to tighten up your circle of friends cause everyone is trying to put their hand in your pocket. That's why I don't sweat the so called "elite" in the biz. If I happen to meet them and we hit it off then so be it. I have friends that are in the "in crowd" but I don't hold nuts, I don't beg for tracks, I'm just their friend. I look out when I can and they usually do the same! Don't do this hail.gif Do this graemlins/beerchug.gif Man you need to put those words on a T-shirt and GIVE them to a lot of people..that is gospel.

[richierich]

Originally posted by DJ QUAD:
DUDE, I FEEL YA. I STILL GO THRU THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT LIKE AGENT SAID, DON'T SWEAT IT, JUST KEEP THE GOOD FROM YOU COMING MUSICALLY. I HAD TO GO THRU THE GAY CLUBS WITH MY MUSIC BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE HEARD OF WHAT I DO WITH EXEPTION OF SOME LONG KNOWN NU-BANG FAMILY MEMBERS. IF ANYBODY ON THIS PAGE THAT KNOWS DJ'S MIKE FIELDS, AND MY HOMIE THRU THE YEARS, PLAYIN 95% OF ALL MY STUFF WOULD BE DJ "MIKE EZEBUKWU"!
HE'S THE REASON "MANHASSETT" GOT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THE WAY IT DID, BEING ONE OF WHAT HE CALLS HIS "CLUB ANTHEM" TRACK. I have been in the booth at Rialto's with Mike Ezebukwu when you came thru with music for him to check out. I remember like it was yesterday.


I just wann get a JACK!

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by SMOOTH87:
I realized a long time ago you can not please everyone. People talk about you if ain't got anything and they will talk about you if you have everything. I belive for some people it is the American way.

The sad thing is that you may have never done something to a certain person and people who do not like you for what ever reason will say things about you that are not true and people who never even met you will belive the lies.. If I meet people who talks about everyone else more than likely they will talk about me too.

All you can do is be yourself. just don't let negative get you down. That's what the haters want. If you are in it to win it just focus on the music. The strong do survive and the weak do fall off to the way side.


-Sean Smith very well said
smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by SMOOTH87:
I realized a long time ago you can not please everyone. People talk about you if ain't got anything and they will talk about you if you have everything. I belive for some people it is the American way.

The sad thing is that you may have never done something to a certain person and people who do not like you for what ever reason will say things about you that are not true and people who never even met you will belive the lies.. If I meet people who talks about everyone else more than likely they will talk about me too.

All you can do is be yourself. just don't let negative get you down. That's what the haters want. If you are in it to win it just focus on the music. The strong do survive and the weak do fall off to the way side.


-Sean Smith very well said
smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

[Rodney Ransom]

Originally posted by larry rauson:
Hey Rodney, how you doin', haven't heard from you since the Commodores tour in '74...


Larry Rauson ha ha ha ha
icon_rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif It's bugged now that I think about ,it that post you put up a while ago ,
""My thoughts on the scene"" go hand and hand
with my posts. Good to hear from you as well.