The Job of the Promoter

[Koffy Brown]

Groove you made this point in another thread:

"I'm not going to get into Detail about what happen that's why HE needs to explain himself, and you need to know what really happened before you make a comment like "pimp slap the management". Again, some of the stuff was out of their hands."

And I can truly see how things can be out of the hands of the promoter/establishment and their control...such as what if the performer decides "I'm too tired" or "the crowd has bad energy" or whatever...there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to make him/her perform right?

But is it up to the promoter to do damage control? Seriously, I'm just asking, if you promoted the function and something went wrong whatever it is, is it up to the promoters and the establishment to clear the air with the consumers or should the artist/performer do their own damage control...

[JMJ]

Originally posted by WhyYouNeedToKnow:
Groove you made this point in another thread:

"I'm not going to get into Detail about what happen that's why HE needs to explain himself, and you need to know what really happened before you make a comment like "pimp slap the management". Again, some of the stuff was out of their hands."

And I can truly see how things can be out of the hands of the promoter/establishment and their control...such as what if the performer decides "I'm too tired" or "the crowd has bad energy" or whatever...there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to make him/her perform right?

But is it up to the promoter to do damage control? Seriously, I'm just asking, if you promoted the function and something went wrong whatever it is, is it up to the promoters and the establishment to clear the air with the consumers or should the artist/performer do their own damage control... The promoter is ultimately responsible for his/ her event. Period......JMJ

[Drrtynewyork]

when i put together the battle@ duplexx, i felt it was my duty to apologize and give explanations for the mishaps and djs not playing

[GROOVE VICTIM]

IMO Robbi and the rest of the staff made the best out of a rather "small" situation. I don't think that anyone really cared if Glenn played or not because the vibe throughout the party was on point (from my perspective).

The DJs did their thing. Would it have mattered if Louie and Glenn played, who knows.

But I will tell you this, one person I have madd respect for is Dennis F, who was asked at the last minute to DJ (for NOTHING) and he played his ass off all night.

Now how many of you DJS out there would've like to been in his shoes that night?

Simmah down nah

[MYOR]

If the artist does not show..

The promoter needs to put out there that : due to things out of their control such artist didn't show up or couldn't make it..

Then the artist needs to inform why, and if there is a make-up date.


IMO... graemlins/conf44.gif

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
IMO Robbi and the rest of the staff made the best out of a rather "small" situation. I don't think that anyone really cared if Glenn played or not because the vibe throughout the party was on point (from my perspective).

The DJs did their thing. Would it have mattered if Louie and Glenn played, who knows.

But I will tell you this, one person I have madd respect for is Dennis F, who was asked at the last minute to DJ (for NOTHING) and he played his ass off all night.

Now how many of you DJS out there would've like to been in his shoes that night?

Simmah down nah so your answer is...it's up to the consumer to make the best of what's given to them and the artist to do his own damage control, where as the promoter/establishment has no obligation to do "damage control"...because they did their best in that situation...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by MYOR:
If the artist does not show..

The promoter needs to put out there that : due to things out of their control such artist didn't show up or couldn't make it..

Then the artist needs to inform why, and if there is a make-up date.


IMO... graemlins/conf44.gif Two DJs showed up and did not play. Are you going to stop the music and tell everyone that they're not playing? I think not, especially while things were going so great. But I do agree that some type of explanation is due, and there's further "splaining" to do by certain people.

Peace

[Jamie 3:26]

from a promters/dj's POV,it will fall on the promoter period.Even if it's out of his/her hands,folks are gonna come at them.

I understand the frustration of Robbi.Giving a big event like that is time consuming and nerve wrecking.I also can relate to him snapping because some folks use these message boards to talk shit on and while in public,they don't say shit.

That's why promoters who have had consistant quality eveny=ts,get props from me,cause I know this shit ain't easy.It ain't just about passing out flyers and posting it on message boards.When some folks realize that,they may see things differently.

[jimmymack-2000]

P.S. Telling people to "fuk off and don't come back" is not an explanation, nor is it making the best of a situation...

[Tempest]

Groove, no disrepect, but would you prefer to hear Ace Of Base all night if you were promised 4 or 5 other acts for the same event? And would prefer not to have an explanation other than , 'we'll everybody was having a good time, so we just let them sing It's A Beautiful Life all night...'

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by WhyYouNeedToKnow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
IMO Robbi and the rest of the staff made the best out of a rather "small" situation. I don't think that anyone really cared if Glenn played or not because the vibe throughout the party was on point (from my perspective).

The DJs did their thing. Would it have mattered if Louie and Glenn played, who knows.

But I will tell you this, one person I have madd respect for is Dennis F, who was asked at the last minute to DJ (for NOTHING) and he played his ass off all night.

Now how many of you DJS out there would've like to been in his shoes that night?

Simmah down nah so your answer is...it's up to the consumer to make the best of what's given to them and the artist to do his own damage control, where as the promoter/establishment has no obligation to do "damage control"...because they did their best in that situation... </font>[/QUOTE]There was Damage control among the promoter/establishment that night. Dennis took the place of Kenny Dope downstairs ( I think that was the deal). I don't know about Phil Asher's situation.


"so your answer is...it's up to the consumer to make the best of what's given to them and the artist to do his own damage control"


I did.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
If the artist does not show..

The promoter needs to put out there that : due to things out of their control such artist didn't show up or couldn't make it..

Then the artist needs to inform why, and if there is a make-up date.


IMO... graemlins/conf44.gif Two DJs showed up and did not play. Are you going to stop the music and tell everyone that they're not playing? I think not, especially while things were going so great. But I do agree that some type of explanation is due, and there's further "splaining" to do by certain people.

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not talking in reference to whaat happened at Shelter.. for that go and read the other post.. I'm talking in general...

[JMJ]

The promoter is often cast in the role of the "bad guy", yet receives little or no praise when an event goes off as planned.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Tempest:
Groove, no disrepect, but would you prefer to hear Ace Of Base all night if you were promised 4 or 5 other acts for the same event? And would prefer not to have an explanation other than , 'we'll everybody was having a good time, so we just let them sing It's A Beautiful Life all night...' Why would I go and see Ace of Base?

[Tempest]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tempest:
Groove, no disrepect, but would you prefer to hear Ace Of Base all night if you were promised 4 or 5 other acts for the same event? And would prefer not to have an explanation other than , 'we'll everybody was having a good time, so we just let them sing It's A Beautiful Life all night...' Why would I go and see Ace of Base? </font>[/QUOTE]THIS is the point... You paid to see THE ADVERTISED PERFORMANCE, not the performer(s) you have no interest in...

[Koffy Brown]

actually I wasn't talking about a specific event, just asking a general question...

but... let's say everybody showed up and played...and there were rave reviews...which I've seen on numerous occasions on this board...of their evening at this particular event...wouldn't the promoter want to know that...wouldn't you want to know that your efforts were appreciated and hard work made people happy and glad to experience....Also, wouldn't you want to know that some (even if it was 1) person wasn't satisfied and why?

I've seen this time and time again on THIS board, as soon as someone say that they feel such and such would have made a particular party experience better for them they are considered a cry baby, a complainer, a shit starter...all because they as a supporter express their opinion...this has happened with other events...it's almost like everyone wants to hear nothing but the good, but it could be that lil detail that so and so complained about that could've made the experience better for quite a few peeps...and to be honest with you, there are usually more than one person who feel the same way....

jmo

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Tempest:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tempest:
Groove, no disrepect, but would you prefer to hear Ace Of Base all night if you were promised 4 or 5 other acts for the same event? And would prefer not to have an explanation other than , 'we'll everybody was having a good time, so we just let them sing It's A Beautiful Life all night...' Why would I go and see Ace of Base? </font>[/QUOTE]THIS is the point... You paid to see THE ADVERTISED PERFORMANCE, not the performer(s) you have no interest in... </font>[/QUOTE]A rather vague analogy if you ask me.


What if I was asked to play at the Shelter and I played all of the music that Timmy and Louie played and the crowd was hyped all night? Would you complain because i'm "Unknown"?

You can't compare Ace of Base or any performer to what a DJ does. A DJ is going to play "other people's music" not just his or hers.

You can have 50 DJs that night and they all would be playing different types of music.

That's like Taana Gardner sing "OVer like a fat Rat" and FOnda Rae singing "Heartbeat" at the same event. It's not expected.

[ July 08, 2003, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

[Tempest]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
What if I was asked to play at the Shelter and I played all of the music that Timmy and Louie played and the crowd was hyped all night? Would you complain because i'm "Unknown"?

You can't compare Ace of Base or any performer to what a DJ does. A DJ is going to play "other people's music" not just his or hers.

You can have 50 DJs that night and they all would be playing different types of music.

That's like Taana Gardner sing "OVer like a fat Rat" and FOnda Rae singing "Heartbeat" at the same event. It's not expected. [/QB]Obviously, different DJ's have different styles. If you and me played the same songs, I guarantee you our sets would have a different mood about them, I might play stuff at -4, you might pitch it up, i might cut everthing off before the 1st verse and mix it later, etc. all depending on our particular dj style. And yes, I would expect those 2 songs at the same event, you know, everyone has different expectations. Esp. when they are led to believe the advertised act will play.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by WhyYouNeedToKnow:
actually I wasn't talking about a specific event, just asking a general question...

but... let's say everybody showed up and played...and there were rave reviews...which I've seen on numerous occasions on this board...of their evening at this particular event...wouldn't the promoter want to know that...wouldn't you want to know that your efforts were appreciated and hard work made people happy and glad to experience....Also, wouldn't you want to know that some (even if it was 1) person wasn't satisfied and why?

I've seen this time and time again on THIS board, as soon as someone say that they feel such and such would have made a particular party experience better for them they are considered a cry baby, a complainer, a shit starter...all because they as a supporter express their opinion...this has happened with other events...it's almost like everyone wants to hear nothing but the good, but it could be that lil detail that so and so complained about that could've made the experience better for quite a few peeps...and to be honest with you, there are usually more than one person who feel the same way....

jmo If the event was falsely advertise yes..

But, its unfair to blame the promoter if someone doesn't show..

Showing your disappointment is one thing... Blaming someone for anothers action is totally unfair.

[Koffy Brown]

The QUESTION is what's the job of the promoter...

we're not talking about being fair...

we all understand some things are out of your control, but when you promote something shouldn't you be responsible for damage control regardless of what happens...this isn't about fairness...

[MYOR]

Originally posted by WhyYouNeedToKnow:
The QUESTION is what's the job of the promoter...

we're not talking about being fair...

we all understand some things are out of your control, but when you promote something shouldn't you be responsible for damage control regardless of what happens...this isn't about fairness... ok so in your opionion.. The promoter needs to do what... After someone doesn't show??

He did his job..

He promoted an event the dj didn't show couldn't make it.. He apoligizes..

Now is up to the dj to do the rest, it is after all their reputation at stake here not the promoter..

So you can blame/beat the promoter all you want that is not going to make the DJ show up.

So its about putting blame where the blame belongs..

[mangina]

Originally posted by JMJ:
The promoter is often cast in the role of the "bad guy", yet receives little or no praise when an event goes off as planned.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif NO KIDDING!!!

[Bill Blake]

Maybe Robbi doesnt post as a promoter everytime he is on this board.

What the **** are yall gonna do?

Demmand that he does post as one or its his duy or some shit like he is a slave to the Shelter, his job and you?

[ July 08, 2003, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[The Donger]

Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
when i put together the battle@ duplexx, i felt it was my duty to apologize and give explanations for the mishaps and djs not playing This is an excellent point Doug.

I am sure if you didn't offer an apology and explanation, that many of the "Shelter can do no wrong" heads would have had a problem with you and how you handled the situation.

Praise to Doug Gomez, a fine example of how promoters should conduct themselves by communicating with their audience and apologizing for their mistakes.

[Bill Blake]

Yea Dong but you seem to forget that the same promoter you are aslo giving praise didnt just apologize.....

He cuzzed' at and called out a few individuals who he felt were acting a little out of line....

He was able to speak his mind without anyone quesioning his profesionalism AND even more importantly everything was understood as not THAT big of a deal and everyone is at peace and gets along fine.

Oh snap!

[MYOR]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
when i put together the battle@ duplexx, i felt it was my duty to apologize and give explanations for the mishaps and djs not playing This is an excellent point Doug.

I am sure if you didn't offer an apology and explanation, that many of the "Shelter can do no wrong" heads would have had a problem with you and how you handled the situation.

Praise to Doug Gomez, a fine example of how promoters should conduct themselves by communicating with their audience and apologizing for their mistakes. </font>[/QUOTE]Are promoters suppose hold the hand of grown men/women and make sure they do what they are suppose to do??

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Maybe Robbi doesnt post as a promoter everytime he is on this board.

What the **** are yall gonna do?

Demmand that he does post as one or its his duy or some shit like he is a slave to the Shelter, his job and you? What a pile of horse pucky.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
when i put together the battle@ duplexx, i felt it was my duty to apologize and give explanations for the mishaps and djs not playing This is an excellent point Doug.

I am sure if you didn't offer an apology and explanation, that many of the "Shelter can do no wrong" heads would have had a problem with you and how you handled the situation.

Praise to Doug Gomez, a fine example of how promoters should conduct themselves by communicating with their audience and apologizing for their mistakes. </font>[/QUOTE]Are promoters suppose hold the hand of grown men/women and make sure they do what they are suppose to do?? </font>[/QUOTE]Grown men get on the decks and represent.

Grown men men know when they are wrong, and know when to admit it.

Grown men offer explanations.

Grown men offer apologies.

Grown men never tell people to **** off.

Grown men take treat thier clients with respect.

Grown men handle their business.

[The Donger]

This message board has a lot of little boys on it lately...

[MYOR]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ DOUG GOMEZ:
when i put together the battle@ duplexx, i felt it was my duty to apologize and give explanations for the mishaps and djs not playing This is an excellent point Doug.

I am sure if you didn't offer an apology and explanation, that many of the "Shelter can do no wrong" heads would have had a problem with you and how you handled the situation.

Praise to Doug Gomez, a fine example of how promoters should conduct themselves by communicating with their audience and apologizing for their mistakes. </font>[/QUOTE]Are promoters suppose hold the hand of grown men/women and make sure they do what they are suppose to do?? </font>[/QUOTE]Grown men get on the decks and represent.

Grown men men know when they are wrong, and know when to admit it.

Grown men offer explanations.

Grown men offer apologies.

Grown men never tell people to **** off.

Grown men take treat thier clients with respect.

Grown men handle their business. </font>[/QUOTE]As far as I know this thread was not about what occured @Shelter.. But about promoters.. Might want to stick to that..